Maria Georgas: I Made Out with My Boyfriend’s Mistress [VIDEO] 01:18:10

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Maria Georges, welcome to Call Her Daddy. I am so excited to be here. I love you so much. Okay, I love you. I love you. I'm so excited. I can't believe we're finally doing this. First of all, this has been a long time coming, which we will tell the Daddy Gang all about. But the entire world fell in love with you when you went on the season of The Bachelor. And ever since it ended, I feel like everyone has quite literally just been waiting patiently for you to speak. Yeah.

and you are finally here. Yes. So I definitely needed the time to just be on my own, but if I was going to speak, I was going to speak here with you today on Call Her Daddy, and it was a long time coming, but I'm here now, and I'm ready. Okay. I have so many questions, so let's just get into it. Okay. Before you continue, this is really tight, and I want to slip into something a little bit more comfortable. Okay. I'll be right back. Oh, my God. Excuse me.

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Okay. She's got her little unwell outfit on. Oh, I'm feeling so myself right now. You have no idea. Wait, really? Oh my God. This is me to my core. Okay. But every single outfit you slayed this season, like for anyone that didn't watch this season, Maria on The Bachelor. I don't know if I've ever seen someone come with like such good outfits. And I feel like I saw that all online. How did you even pack for this fucking season? Oh my God. It was so last minute. You guys have no idea. So I, I...

always wanted to be on the show. I had dreams about it. I was like, I'm going to be on the show one day. So I remember like I would always buy things in hopes. I swear to God, I'm not even kidding. And so when I actually got like, I was like fully in the running, they're like, okay, you're like in it. But I was never getting a solid yes. I was like waiting, waiting, waiting. Three days prior, they're like, pack your bags. You're coming. You need this. This isn't this. I'm like, what?

Holy shit. I had three days to pack. Why did you always want to be on The Bachelor? I love the show. Okay. I love the show. I was such a huge fan and I had friends on the show and they had- Yeah.

Wait, I feel like that's D. Well, I mean, I don't know how much I want to say. I feel like there's been, you know, people have talked about it and I'm sure people know who, but yeah, I've had people that have been on the show that have always said like, I see you on it. And yeah. And so I was like, I'm going to apply. So you've roman, are you insinuating you've like romantically dabbled with people on the show? I wouldn't say romantic, but obviously there was like, um,

I don't know what you want to call it, whatever you want to call it. It was just like a good thing going. And yeah, and I just remember talking to him about it. And he was like, I can totally see you. You know what he said to me, actually? Should I be asking you like who you're talking about? No, you shouldn't. Do you want me to say it? I think I have to ask.

Well, I mean, I think it's been fairly obvious. And I honestly, I'm so over the rumors and stuff like that. So Nick, obvious. Oh, fuck. But this is bad because he's like totally married. No, I think that's it's not. You're saying you're like in love with this person. Yeah. Nothing has ever happened between Nick and I. But like, it's always been like a friendship. OK, but no, no. I think this is fine to say. Nick is one of the biggest people from the franchise. And the fact that like you had like a little relationship

thing with him back in the day. Yeah. But you never hooked up. No. You just had like a flirtatious banter. Literally, that is all like he helped me through breakups. Like he was a good friend to me at points and it was great. But I remember and I and I never really understood it until actually being on the show. He had said to me, he's like, I can see you being the villain.

He's like, you're going to go on. You're going to be the villain. And I was like, why? Why me? Like, I would never go with the intention of becoming a villain. I didn't go in there and try to piss people off. But I remember him saying, he's like, people are going to come after you. No matter what, I can just see it. You're going to be the villain. And it was just funny because...

after I finished filming, there was rumors about me being a villain. I'm like, but I wasn't. I know what happened. Well, I feel like, just to sum it up again for anyone that didn't watch, like, I feel like people tried really, really, really, really, really, really fucking hard to make you the villain. And then everyone

everyone in America watching it was like, no. Like, no, she's not the villain, actually. Like, these girls that are basically gaslighting Maria are the villain. Okay, let's go back to the beginning. I love how you were just, like, dropping bombs left and right. Yeah, yeah, please. But I think it's fine to say the Nick Viall thing. I think he's, like, happily...

married now. And that's great. Yeah. And I think, and I just want everyone to know that like, there's no animosity between, between us. Like, I think we have always been friends, obviously, whatever. But, um, yeah, he's always been great to me. And like, I respect his relationship. I respect where he is at is now. I'm happy to see him grow. Um, but yeah, to say that we didn't have a past, that would be a lie. So like, I just hate this, like,

it's been all over Reddit. I just want people to know that like it's nothing serious, but also we respected each other along the way and I'm happy where he's at now and I congratulate him. Well, I was going to say, I also think the internet is too smart nowadays where it's like if you were connected to

anyone in bachelor nation oh there's a secret exactly so I think it'd be like you'd be like remiss to not bring it up because then everyone would be like you're a liar right and I have nothing to hide like I go through life where I feel like I have you want to ask me questions I want to answer I can tell no no really can you tell I can tell yeah so I'm like you know what like at the end of the day I'm like I rather speak on it than people build or create stories out of nothing but

There's nothing to talk about there. Amazing. Literally. So let's talk about your season. You are one of the most popular, I would say bachelor contestants in the history of ever. And you just like brought this energy to it, this relatability. You were normal. I think people could be like, see themselves being friends with you. You're a girl's girl. Like it was great vibes.

How did you feel about all this attention? Oh my God. First of all, thank you for saying that. Like that meant a lot because I was actually talking this, talking about this with my friends. Like when I had first come back home, um,

home I had to sit my family down to let them know like what what kind of like shit stupidity I went through in the house I did not know how it was gonna like play out and like how people were gonna perceive me because in the house I felt like I was so wrongfully accused of things and people were just like taking me the wrong way and so I didn't know how things were gonna play out the fact that it

was an honest edit, I can say, and like showed exactly who I am. And I said to myself, I'm like, if I'm going to do this, I'm going to do this like exactly who I am. I'm not going on there with some alter ego. Like, no, no, no. I'm going to, when my friends and family are going to watch, they're going to be like, that's my Maria. Prior to this show. Yeah. Were you someone who was used to a lot of drama in your life? And I talked about this on the show to Joey. I was like, the last thing I thought I was going to have problems with were the girls. I thought

I thought I was going to be like them. I thought the only problem I would have is if I like him or not, or if we can really see each other, like becoming something. Right. And so when that was my biggest concern in the house, I was like, Oh my God, I, maybe that guy was right. Maybe, maybe it's like an,

in wait okay you want to hear something actually I actually have something to say yes this is actually kind of fucked up okay so Sydney you know Sydney no so in the house oh the one that was yes yeah okay so funny enough this no the actually side note I don't know if you want to keep this in but this actually kind of like concerned me at one point so when it first started like airing I remember someone sent me a photo of Nick and Sydney together they were all friends because Sydney's friends with um

Ashley, I, and Nick's close with Ashley and Ashley's close with Sydney and they were all in a photo together. I'm like, was this all?

planned no I'm not kidding besides all this right now I'm like straight shooter to you right now part of me was like was this all planned because I was like I did I knew I was innocent like I knew I was innocent hand to God so when this all started happening and then imagine dealing with that in the house and then coming out and seeing that she's friends with Nick I was like

Right, because Nick had told you... There's something conspiring here. Okay, so you walk someone through that maybe didn't watch the show. You're basically saying you're seeing Nick Viall like...

tell you you're going to potentially be the villain. Yes. Then you're seeing Nick Bial be friends with the girl that attacked you the whole season. Okay, keep this shit in because you know what? I'm not kidding. I was, this is my exact thought process. I was like, there's something weird about all this because it was too close. Like it was too close to home. I was like, this was said and now this and this. Because if there was a, if guys, if there was a moment in the house where I can say,

okay, I deserve that. I would say I would not even begin to think about this, but I was so innocent. To someone that has no idea what the fuck we're talking about and has not watched the season of The Bachelor. Yeah. You have these two specific women, I would say. Three. Three. Okay. Three women that were like,

hell-bent on crucifying you. Oh, yeah. Can you give a brief synopsis of what they were trying to basically kill you for? Yeah. So there's a point in time where we see Medina. She was one of the older girls. I don't even like to say older. Here we go with the age thing. But she had mentioned that she felt insecure about her age and that she was losing time. And she thought it was...

Joey maybe might have not been giving her enough attention because of her age. And I stayed silent during that conversation. She kind of like addressed the room about it.

And then, why did I say and then? And then. I don't know. So then we were outside and kind of, we had breaks, you know, throughout the day, but we're always being recorded. And I knew that. So despite having a break, I know like we're being recorded. But again, I was in the moment with my friend and we were kind of like going through what was like said or during that moment. We were kind of just like, what's the word? We're just like recapping. Recapping. Thank you very much. That moment. And all I said to her was like, I don't get why Medina would say that because she's

Like I'm in her age group and I'm just saying like she's she's a beautiful woman like I

literally so beautiful where I was like, I couldn't even fathom the idea that she was thinking that it had something to do with her age, why Joey's not giving her attention. I'm like, you're so beautiful. Own it. Like you have so much going for you. You have the age is the last thing you should worry about. But I wasn't saying that to Medina. I was saying that to my friend as we were recapping the night. Um, and that's why I was like, I want to preface by saying like, if Medina had come to me and said to me, Maria, I feel insecure my age. I know you're like one of the older girls in the house too. Like this is how I feel. I would never say, Oh,

it you're hot like I would be like no let's talk about it this is how you feel I'm here for you you know so obviously I was saying what I was saying to my friend behind closed doors and I was being overheard by Sydney and instead of

A, coming up to me to be like, hey, are you talking about Medina? Because she's my girl. Instead of like either coming up to me or talking to me one-on-one to be like, hey, I might've heard this, but I don't know. She started this entire thing on something she might've heard. So that's where it all kind of...

started though. And I think like what we can acknowledge for women is like age is such a sensitive thing just because everyone makes us feel like when you hit 30, it's like, Ooh, the top, the clock is ticking. And so I empathize with what she was saying. And then I also agree with what you were saying of like, Oh my God, girl, like, don't even fucking worry. You're hot. You're beautiful. You're young. Like 30 is young. Yeah. 31 is young. Yeah. 32,

40 is young. Yeah. Like, we have to, like, retrain our brains to look at, like, women and age in a complete different way. But I think on the show, it brought up a really interesting conversation that you were almost villainized for, like, shitting on this woman for her age, and that was not what you were saying. Absolutely. And, like...

everything you said was absolutely right. And for me, I'm like, I can get insecure about my age too. A hundred percent. And I have felt insecure about it, but going into the bachelor, knowing that there's that, you know, sometimes they cast 23 year olds and stuff like that. I knew going into it where I was like, I probably am going to be the oldest one in the house. So I was trying to think pause positively so that like, I didn't get into that mindset. So

I thought in ways like I was trying in ways when I was talking to my friend about it, I was trying to encourage myself too. Cause like hearing her talk about that, you don't think that struck a chord with me. I was like, fuck, maybe like, like, cause I am a year older than him. Maybe that is weird. I don't know. I started like thinking, I was like, no, no, no. Like we're going to twist it. No, we're hot. We're confident. Let's just do this. And I was just having a talk with my girlfriend. I didn't think it was going to become a thing. I wasn't trying to do this in front of a room. Like I would have been way more sensitive, way more like,

You know, you were almost like debriefing something that clearly related because how old is she? She's 31. Okay. She's 31. And how old are you? 29. Okay. I'm 29. Yeah. Same age. So I get what you're saying is like you guys are the oldest in the house and you immediately saw her freaking out and getting insecure that you were like, oh my God, like, should I be insecure? No, we're fucking beautiful. Let's go. Let's just.

Turn this into a positive right now because it's so, you know, in the house you're so isolated and I can see why she was feeling those things. But I kind of wanted to like, because imagine if I just sat there and was like, yeah, we are. We should just like peace out right now, us old fucks. Like let's just get the fuck out of here. Let's just mail it in. But I was trying to just like, and again, if she had come to me personally,

the conversation would have been different. It was just in the moment with my friend. I was just like, yeah. And so this kind of begins this feud between you and this girl, Sydney, where she like has it out for you. She's literally saying you're like the devil. Oh yeah. It's funny. I brought devil ears cause I knew we were going to be filming during Halloween and I wore the devil ears like for a week straight. They cut that out. So maybe you don't talk about that, but like, I loved it. I was like, cause they told me they're like, yeah, you know, she sees you as a devil. I'm like,

And in parts I was like, wait, but what? Like I was questioning myself. Why do you think this girl had it out for you? Like you said you barely got into drama your whole life with women. Like your biggest concern was like, am I going to even like Joey? Like why even get along with him? What do you think if you had to pinpoint it brought it on this season? Yeah. So I on, cause now getting to know her outside of this, she's an amazing woman. And I, and I honestly can say that

in that moment, she really truly thought she was going to bat for her friend. And like, again, it's so weird to say like these girls become our best friends. But when you're in that environment, you become very close to people. And that's how it feels, right? So I truly think that she was feeling she was going to bat for her friend. She was that ride or die friend. She wasn't going to like let anything slide with the best intentions just running

was wrongly guided. I don't really know why, because I guys, when I tell you, you know, she had apologized to me there. And then when we, I was like, listen, you overheard something. You took it out of context. It wasn't meant maliciously. Um, next time, you know, come to me. She's like, absolutely. We cheersed.

The next day we had that group date where we were doing the talent show and she hugged me before the group date. And she was like, Maria, I just want to say again, I'm sorry for taking something out of context. It wasn't shown. We never even got to talk about this. And so I thought I was like, wow. Okay. You know what? And I said to her that day, I go, listen, I'm good to hug you, hug it out. And like, we're good. But just you scare me a little bit because we were so good up until the point where you're starting shit with me, where I'm like, where is this coming from? So we hugged it out. We were good.

later on that night is when she was like, I feel bullied by you. You hugged me earlier that day. It was like, guys, when I say it was crazy, it was crazy. But again, because I know she is a good person deep down, I think that, again, in this environment, it just brought out the worst. Well, because I was going to say, like, I feel...

I didn't know you guys were close now, which is kind of- We're not close, but we're good. You're good. Yeah. Okay. Because I was going to say, I thought, I didn't know if you guys were like friends. And I'm like, that's kind of crazy to go from someone being like, you're bullying me. Like the, what we watched on TV, I was like, this girl is like-

losing her mind on national TV. And it's like everywhere you would go, she would turn to you and just start like going after you. And it felt very targeted. Yeah. It got to points where she would acknowledge that like, I can't even be in a room with Maria because I feel she's going to attack me. And there's been so many scenes of us in a room and I'm like, leave me alone.

So like I didn't understand. And to this day, like, you know, her and I didn't get to really talk about what exactly it was that made her say those things about me because I could like even thinking about putting myself in her head. I could never say that about someone if I knew that it was so untrue. Well, I think what was interesting, too, and I liked reading the Internet during your season because I thought that women had really interesting takes about you. Like I remember watching and so many women were like, I

I feel like half of these girls in the house are having their first bi experience because everyone is falling in love with Maria. And everyone's like, do I like her more than Joey? I think there was also a lot of jealousy. Like you exude confidence. You like walked in every room. You looked so fucking hot. You looked insane in your outfits. You have a great personality and you just led with confidence. And I think in those environments, I can imagine if women are seeing one woman lead with just like no doubts or fears,

you're going to be like, fuck you. I wish I was like that. And I personally felt like a lot of it was driven by jealousy, which sucks, but I think is sadly relatable. If you could go back, is there anything you would have handled differently in all of the drama? Well, I just want to say something first. So before going into the house, I had read something and it was like some book and it was called, you're just not that you're there's nothing.

what it was, it was like, you're not that great or something like that. And then just like, no, no, but wait, no, no, but you know what? The, the, the, the meaning behind it meant something to me. And it was just like acknowledging the fact that you're not that great. And like, I never, no, wait, just wait. I,

don't ever think of myself as like like when you say like like it's weird to me even believing when someone's like oh someone's jealous of you like I don't look at things like that like I went into this bachelor world being like I'm not going to be the prettiest girl in the room I'm not going to be the best dress I'm not going to be the most like

exciting to look at or be with like I just said I'm gonna be myself and if it works it works like I was so self-aware going into it so it's funny that like people see it as like confidence and people see it as like oh girls are jealous of you it's like I genuinely went in there being like I'm gonna be supportive of everyone around but I'm not also not gonna think I'm that great like

I now love this. Now I love this message. Okay. Where are we going? I fucking suck. I'm a piece of shit. But like just acknowledging that, like, you know, like just knowing who you are, like I'm not, I'm not overly confident in that way where I'm like, I'm the shit. I've never thought that way about myself. Um,

I thought all the women were, especially night one going into that house. I was like, there are so many beautiful women around me that I was like, I'm just going to be myself, have fun. And then if it works, it works. And it did. And like, so when girls came after me and being like, oh, she like people are seeing it as like, oh, you were so confident. That's why I'm like,

Oh my God. I was like, I never once. I think I was the prettiest in the room. Never once did I think I was the best dress. That's why after it aired and hearing that, like everyone loved my outfits and like everyone thought it was so common. I was like, damn, I love everything you just said. And I truly believe though, that's where it is confidence, what you're talking about. And it's,

I think it's enviable. And I think if anyone takes anything from this episode, it's that it's like you deciding I can't be what I'm not. I'm going to be myself. I exactly I'm me. I look how I look. I act how I act. And like, I'm going to present as I am. And if he likes it and they like it, great. If not, who gives a fuck? First, I do want to talk a little bit about your personal life, because I think you you came into this bachelor world and everyone was like, who is this firecracker? Like, who is this girl? And where did she came from? Who is Maria? Yeah.

have you ever been in love before? I've obviously, okay. Okay. I had a couple of boyfriends. I'm going to say two. Two boyfriends. I'm going to tell you exactly the number. Yeah. I don't have that much experience. Um, I,

I always like when I'm with someone, I feel loving feelings. But like to like when you're out of it, you kind of think back and you're like, wait, was I even in love? I don't know. I don't think so. Because I want to believe when I am, I know it's going to be my person kind of thing. I had loving feelings for everyone that I've ever been with. Yep.

Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense. I think that, no, I think that answers it. I think you would know if you had been in love. Right? You would think. You would know. Okay. Trust me. That's what I'm thinking. You would know. Okay, what has been your longest relationship? Oh, bitch, you're going to call me right out. Literally, my first boyfriend was like eight months, but I lived with him for three, so it felt like a fucking century. But, okay, maybe no. I don't know. No, don't.

Okay, listen, I have never had anything long term. I'm a problem. No, no. I'm the problem. Wait, you lived with him for three months? Yeah. Towards the end of the eight months? And then is that what ended it? The beginning. Wait, hold on. Wait, wait. Hold on, hold on. It's been so long ago. It was like seven years ago, bitch. You dated a guy for eight months. You lived with him for three. But how did you start living together, then stay together, but not live together?

Walk me through this. Okay, hold on. Okay. Let me think. It was so long ago, guys. It was like seven years ago. We dated and hit it off right away. Okay. And he was living alone. I was living with my family. And he was like, I want to be with you all the time. So come sleep at my house. And then it turned into me ended up moving, like ending up moving in with him. Does that make sense? And then how did you move out? He cheated on me. Wait. Wait. Wait.

Bitch! What do you think? He fucking cheated on me. Wait, but make this mix

make sense okay eight months dating uh-huh first three months you're living together yeah he then cheats you stay no no no no cheating happens towards the end honey okay okay so then why did you move out it was just because he cheated on me oh okay okay you got your timeline mixed up you said you lived together in the first three months uh-huh okay wait maybe i'm confused hold on wait let me let me backtrack eight months together eight months together living with

Okay, so not, I didn't live with him right away. You're right. Okay. You caught me. I lied. I know more about your life than you know about this life.

Okay, so he cheats. How did you find out he cheated? Oh, bitch. No. Tell me everything. Oh, my God. I'm a Virgo. Do you know what Virgos are like? No, tell me more. I'm an FBI agent. Oh. Like, without being an FBI agent. Yeah. So, basically, so because I was living with him, right, at the time. Anyways, so he was in New York with his family. I'll never forget this. This is actually kind of fucked up.

But it's okay. You know what? Him and I, we laugh about this because he found, he's like, I hope you know I knew what you did the entire time. We talked about it. Listen,

It's better to just laugh it off now, but it wasn't a laughing moment at the time, but we can laugh at it now. Anyway, so he was in New York with his dad and then he was like, yeah, so I was staying at his place. Stupid. Anyways, so I'm with, I have all my friends over and I remember I was in LA and then Vegas for a wedding. I did like a week trip and he was so, oh my God, Nick plays into this because he hated Nick and Nick hated him. Fuck that guy though now because he cheated on me, but it's fine.

Um, so, okay, let me get back on track. Hold on. Okay. So I, um, so I had gone on that trip and he was already questioning me being on that trip being like, you're going there to see him, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, bitch, I'm going to a fucking wedding. Like, what is your issue? And we're spending a couple more nights in LA after, after Vegas.

I lied. We went to Vegas first and then we did the wedding in LA. Okay. There it is. Come on, seven years. I haven't talked about this shit ever. It's great. And so he was already upset with the whole trip. I get back. We're good. He goes to New York. I stay at his place and I invite my friends over. I had this weird feeling because the last couple nights in LA, he was kind of like quiet. Like wasn't really speaking to me. I'm like, bitch, you're my boyfriend. Where the fuck...

Anyways, no, not like that. I'm very sweet. But I get what you're saying. When a boyfriend is quiet. You know, what the hell? You're checking in on me and then all of a sudden you're quiet for the next couple days. What's going on? What the hell's going on? So I remember being like, okay, so I kept that in my notes. I was like, okay, so this time, this time he was kind of weird. Sketch. So I get to his place. I'm saying he leaves. I go to the front desk.

This is actually kind of smart. Girls, pay attention. So I go to the front desk. I'm like, oh my God, I left for my trip. But as I was waiting for my Uber or whatever I was waiting for, I don't know what I said. I'm like, I left my purse on the couch. So right outside of his place, there's like a communal area and there was a couch. And I was like, I left my purse there and I can't find my purse. I'm like, I need you to, like I was sitting here between this time and this time. And I told him the times where I felt like he was being off.

So he, so the poor front desk man. And by the way, man, I never outed you even though when you knew I knew what, he knew what I was doing in that moment. I'll explain. But I never outed him. Never to my ex. But now I'm outing you. But it's okay. You're probably not even working there anymore. So, so I, I,

told him I'm like from this time this time I remember I was sitting there but I don't know where this purse went and it's like expensive purse I need to know where it is so he's going he turns the fucking screen to me and he's going through the times and I and I told him he's so he's a little it's fine I told him between I think I said from 11 p.m. till 3 a.m. I'm like I don't know if you have to check to see if my purse was there and if someone took it

So he's showing me, okay? And I had my girlfriend there. I'll never forget because she fucking screwed it up. I was like game face. I was like, show me the fucking cameras. So I was looking for my purse. All of a sudden, guys, I kid you not, 3.20, I remember the time. It was like something, 3 a.m., 3.20. Don't say that I remember the time. That's kind of weird. But it's fine. A fucking bitch shows up to his door. No. 3 something a.m. And then I'm going like this. This is me. I'm like this.

I keep my mouth shut. My friend goes, and then he, so now the front desk guy sees that there's another girl that ain't me showing up at this time. And then as soon as she fucking gasped, like outing me, he turns the camera. He's like, I can't be doing this. I'm sorry. I was like, I was like, no, no, no, don't worry. And he, in that moment knew that he knew that what I was trying to do. And he knew that now he outed my boyfriend for having a girl show up at his place at 3am while I was gone. But in that moment I went,

No, no fucking way. And so it gets worse. So I kept my mouth shut.

You didn't say anything. No, of course not. The poor front desk man. No, I never outed him. Until his day. I'm so sorry, sir. But to this day, never outed him. Never outed him. I go back in. You know, actually, it's kind of funny. I went for a walk. I played some music. I pretend I was like in a music video, like sad, cried. I don't know. I don't know what I did. I did some like weird shit. But then I went back. And then so days later, he comes back. We're good. He throws a party. Okay. Okay. Guys, listen to this. It gets fucked. It gets fucked.

So he throws a party. Oh my God. Poor guy. He's probably like going to watch this and be like, listen, at the end of the day, don't cheat on your girlfriend. Cause one day she's going to live to tell the tale. She's going to live to tell the fucking tale. So don't cheat on your girlfriend. Um, anyways, so he throws a party, family, friends. And remember I saw that bitch. I saw her. Oh, you're going to, you're going to wait for the twist at the end. So I saw her. So I, I knew how she looked.

He throws a party, family and friends, at his restaurant. He's still in a restaurant. Oops. Cut that out because that will be very obvious. Okay. Let's be real. I only had one fucking ex and everyone knows. It's fine. But cut it out maybe. I don't know. Keep it in. Do whatever you want. So he throws a party, family and friends. There's a separate table of like randoms that I don't know. Who shows up?

She does. But I keep myself, I keep my mouth shut. I see him go over to her, hug her, kiss her. So I go, perfect. That's my in. So he comes back. I'm like, who's that girl that you kiss on the cheek? Like, like, who's that? It's like, oh, she's just a friend. Like, I was just saying hi. I'm like, okay, that was a little like, a little much to say hi to a friend, right?

So I'm watching her, watching her. So later on that night, I was like, fuck it, I'm done. I'm done. I'm so out. Like the fact that he's now bringing this girl around me. That's the most fucked up part. Casually. And how long had you waited to, like, how long is this between you see a week? You saw the video footage and now you're at the party. Yeah. It wasn't long. I just didn't know how I was going to like, like do it. But I was out. No, but that's like,

mentally fucked to put your fucking mistress in the same room with your girl. I actually have more tea. Oh my God. It just keeps flowing. Oh shit. So

So basically, because when he was showing me the cameras, I saw a bunch of guys go in first, all his friends. And then she showed up like hours later at like 3 a.m. But they were like, I didn't see the friends leave. So I was in my head. I was like, OK, maybe this might not be what I think it is. And like he's already thinking I'm seeing Nick. And so there was so many things where I was like, OK, I can't overthink because if you're looking at it just based on like what you like, how it looks, I want to know proof. But anyway, right. But cut that out. No, make him look bad. It's fine. No, but I get. But OK, but I was.

maybe not you're rationalizing which I was rationalizing you were telling him I'm not cheating on you with Nick I'm not seeing Nick I'm literally going to a wedding but he's like I know you have a past with him blah blah blah then he starts acting sketchy and in your mind you're like is he making this decision because he thinks I was being shady with Nick when I wasn't right and then all of a sudden you see her at 3 a.m. and then your brain rationalizes even though you goddamn know well what he was doing showing up at 3 a.m. by herself she's there for

after party oh you know what the after party right yeah okay so his peepee his peepee and her fucking pranani yeah 100% anyways so I saw her there and again I didn't say anything whatever and then we got back to the house and I'm like who's that girl and he he just kept being like she was a friend she's a friend I'm like so then why and I and I laid it all out there I was like why did she show up at your house at this time this date in a red dress I was like saying it all and he to this day

To this day. We'll say nothing ever happened. But want to hear some funny shit? Please. So as a Virgo, right? Yeah. We're very thorough. So I need to get to the nitty gritty. I need to know. I was never going to get my answer from him, you know? So...

Okay, so I dance. Okay, I take heel classes and I do all that. So I met a girlfriend there and she was going out one night and she texted me. She's like, come meet me. I go, who you out with? She sends me a photo. She's with that girl. No. So I go, perfect. Oh, just wait. So I'm like, perfect, I'm gonna meet this girl. But again, I wasn't gonna go meet her with the intention to be confrontational. No. I was just going to see who this girl is. I wanna meet you. I wanna look you dead in the eyes. You know me, I don't know you. You don't know that I know you, but I know you.

anyways we hit it off love her love her sweetest fucking girl ever so nice that makes it all so much worse you're like fuck yeah she was great and did she know you were dating him well i mean do you have an instagram it was very fairly obvious like there was no excuse on her end but at the end of the day i'll never blame the girl ever he owed something to me and

you never know what they say in the moment like oh we're on a break yeah oh she's you know what i mean oh to this day i am not upset with her oh actually i'm great friends with her oh so do you know what i mean like i always think about like when women are like oh my god my husband cheated and fuck this woman and i'm like i swear to god when a man takes off his pants and he's hard and he's staring at a woman and the woman's like wait don't you have a wife or don't you have a girlfriend they're like she just got run over by a bus she's dead she we buried her last week like she beats me at night where she beats me it's the whole thing yeah they will say

whatever they when they look down and they look up they're like whatever I can do to get inside. Absolutely. So we can't blame the women. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So so I'm dancing. So we're friends. We become friends at night and then to the point where like we're like hanging out and we're us three and

To the point where I even, okay, this is actually psychotic. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. It's Call Her Daddy. Nothing is that crazy. Okay, so one night we were all out and I was a little drunk and I'm like, I need to see if this girl's a good kisser. Only because I was like, I want to see. I'm obsessed with you.

I want to know what the fuck she has that I don't. So I made out with her one night. But to this day, it was all jokes. It's fine. I love women. I love men. I love men more. But it's fine. I just did it for my own sanity. Again, Virgos, we're fucked. You wanted to understand what you were missing. Right. I wanted to know what he was dealing with if I had anything like...

I don't know what the hell. I just did it because I need to do it. She knows all this now. Okay, okay. So then, so then, so we became friends. Like, really good friends. Like, we're all good, whatever. And one night, she calls me. Okay, guys, listen to this. And mind you, I had broken up with him. I said what I said to him. He denied it. He doesn't know now that I'm, like, having a friendship with this girl. Okay. She calls me. She's like, Maria, I need to see you. I'm like, yeah, come over. She comes over. She starts to cry. She's like, I have to be honest about something. Okay.

She's like, Maria, I love you. Like, you're such a good person. Like, I just like I feel like I need to be honest about something. I go, let me stop you right there. I knew this entire time.

It was like a whole, like this could be a movie. This could be a movie. And this could be the whole episode. Oh my God. I know, right? Anyways, no, just long story short, I just basically said to her, I'm like, listen, like I met you with intention to see who you were as a person. I loved you that night. You were so fun, so sweet. Like at the end of the day, I didn't hold anything against you because my ex, he was supposed to respect me and like not do that shit to me.

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joey oh back to joey back to joey yeah joey the bachelor yeah so you had never brought a guy home in your life is this real that became okay here's the thing okay i think we were it's like the semantics of it it's like yes have men met my dad and like my like my parents yes okay i expect my parents but have i ever brought them into my home

Where my, like, my family met, like, no. Yeah. But, like, have they met my parents and the people that matter? Yeah, sure. Did I introduce them to my brothers? No. Like, the entire family, no. But my parents, yes. And, like, my friends, absolutely always. But, like, the idea of just, like, it was just, yeah, I didn't bring them home. But it doesn't mean that they weren't, like, acquainted with my parents and, like, people that matter to me. It's just, like, it was the idea of just, like,

It's the first guy that I'm going to introduce to everyone all at once. Got it. Does that make sense? Yes, completely. Okay. Do you think you and Joey would have actually made it in the real world? It would have been great as friends. Like we were so like funny together where we like, like the same movies, like have the same banter, but like,

And we obviously liked to, like... We liked each other, but I don't... You know what? I don't know. I don't know. I think him and Kelsey make such a good match because he was always one to always kind of need reassurance. Does that mean to say? It's not mean to say because that's what he was very vocal about on the season. And I think that, like, Kelsey's the kind of woman that gives it to him, but, like, also is very confident and gets it, too, from him. Like, I don't know. They work so perfectly together. I don't know how to explain it, but...

I've never seen two people so into each other. It just worked. I don't know if I could have given him what exactly what he wanted all the time. And so I don't know. But I think that we were great friends. Yeah. What's something that a guy could do that would immediately give you the ick? Oof.

Dance. Oh, shit. I don't... No, here's the thing. I don't mind... You know, have you ever seen those guys who like start breaking out into dance, but they're so bad, but they think they're so good? When are they breaking out into dance? Like, give me a call. That's the problem. They do. No, wait. Like, where? Bitch, anywhere there's a fucking tune. I don't know. I don't know.

Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Like, but here's the thing. This is where the difference lies. Like when they're dancing, but being silly and like just owning that they're bad, but there's some that are so bad, but they think they're good. That's where I get the full ick. That's where I'm like, oh my God, you're not it. No, that's, that makes sense. Okay. What's the craziest thing an ex has ever done to you? Date 32 women at the same time. Sorry. Bachelor. Bachelor.

Wait, I thought you, oh my God, I didn't, I didn't get that at first. I was like, yeah, this happened more than once in my life. No, just the bachelor. I literally did. Okay. Oh my God. Yeah. Can we talk about that? How did you deal with the jealousy? Okay. So here's the thing. And I'm going to be very, very honest with you in that moment. Should I say it? Mm-hmm.

You should always say whatever comes to your brain, sweetie. I'm on a roll tonight. It's 1 o'clock in the afternoon. I'm going to be honest about something. I know tonight. Whatever. Today. So I'm gonna be honest with something. So Jen and I. OK. Jen and I. So Jen kissed him on the group date. OK. Yeah.

I went up to her because I just like, you know, when you're very self-aware, like, you know, your place and things. And I just knew Joey and I were never going to be endgame. Yes. Could I have made it further? Sure. 100%. Like we had that connection. I just didn't think I was going to be endgame and he was going to be endgame for me. And so I told Jen that day that I was going to use that as an excuse to leave Joey. Use what? That she kissed him? Yeah.

That's this is tea. This is tea, bitch. We walk me through what you're talking about. So there's a scene where Jen kisses Joey and that's where I'm like, oh,

Jen kissed Joey. I am disgusted. But I, you know, I was very close to her and I just felt like I needed a way out. And it wasn't, it had nothing to do with it. Joey is great. Like Joey is actually such a catch and that's why I'm so happy. Like I think finding happiness was like knowing that he's happy with someone that loves him so much. And that I was, I'm so happy for him. I just knew it was never going to be me. And so I was like, I need a way out. And so I used Jen,

kissing him in that moment that pissed me off as an excuse to leave. Okay, can I say what I'm getting from that as...

I think that now with reality television, there's in a beautiful way, there's so much more that people understand that these environments are so fucking heightened and there's, you're in this bubble and you are feeling feelings that maybe you wouldn't feel on the outside world, or maybe you are feeling feelings, but they're heightened because of, and so I can imagine that

The moment you started to realize, like, maybe I'm actually not endgame and maybe we're better as friends and maybe...

there's still doubts in your head if you're right or wrong then you see him the next day and you're like oh but he's so cute and like and then there's also when he fights for you to stay you're kind of like okay shit maybe I'm like misguided I am I need to be in this and that's kind of how I felt during hometowns I was like he fought for me so hard whether they showed the entirety of that and that's fair but in that moment he did fight for me to stay and so when it came to hometowns I'm like okay I'm dropping my walls I'm giving this my all but like

That moment in Jasper when I was trying to leave, it was a little bit of a, I was just trying to give him a way out.

Because I'm going to be honest, now that you're saying it, it makes more sense. Because, again, to context, if people didn't watch that episode, you're sitting on the couch with him. You're basically saying, like, I can't do this anymore. I am jealous. I'm seeing you kiss other women. Like, I can't handle it. I knew what I signed up for. Yes. Yeah. And I think you could tell, though, there was something else going on. Because you were being kind of sporadic of, like, you're walking...

back and forth you're like i can't do this joey and you could tell like that wasn't the real reason and you could tell he was so that's good that you could tell that i could tell but i'm also speculating and i was like guys

But I feel like that's what my job is to do is just like read people sitting across from me. And I need to do a really fucking good job. Thank you. But on TV, I was immediately like, this is not this is not the whole story. So you knew kind of in that moment, maybe it's time for me to go. And then he fought for you, which maybe you're saying we didn't see the whole extent to which he fought. Yeah, you did. You didn't. You didn't. And then we get to hometowns. And then that was kind of I was like, I

I don't want to say I was like forced to believe, but I, I mean, you want to believe someone's actions and like how hard he fought for me that night where I was like,

okay you know what I need to get my head in the game like I do feel good great things about him I think he's great and I am in it but I didn't know where he was at and there was like there was some sort of disconnect but when he fought for me so hard I was like okay this is like something that could be real and Maria like stop fucking this up yeah and so at hometowns where I fully dropped my walls and then I got sent home and I was like okay okay this is why I protect myself

Yeah. So I'm like, and that's what I've kind of learned. Like I've become accustomed to like being disappointed by men and this has nothing, nothing to do with Joey. I don't, when I talk like this, it has nothing to do with Joey cause he was just doing his part in the show and like he had more stronger feelings for other women and that's fine. But, um, I just feel like when I turn to like protecting myself where I'm like almost completely

self-sabotaging. I feel like it's like self-protection. Got it. Because aside from Joey, have you ever been in a situation where you told someone you loved them and they didn't say it back? Mm.

more like they come on strong in the beginning and like they're like all in and I push them away and then when it gets to the point where they're like I can't okay you know you keep pushing me away I'm actually gonna go and then when they actually go I'm like wait I didn't mean that I was just joking get your ass over here and they're like I don't know if I can they don't believe me anymore and I but then in the end

like I said, something happens where I'm like, there's a reason why I was pushing them away in the beginning because they do something where I'm like, they weren't even, I don't know if I even believe them to begin with, but there's been times where like they come on strong and it's like we're never there at the same time. I'll say that. I think that's a naturally you will get to a point where I- I want to believe that

It's going to happen at the same time where I'm not going to do that. But what you're doing, Maria, is you're testing them to see in your brain. You think pushing them away. Yeah, I'll see if they stay, if they say. But what you're going to eventually stop doing because that's not healthy is you'll realize, oh, you're pushing them away. And they're like, OK, I'll leave. Like you can only push so much someone away to the point where they're like, OK, you're

And imagine if you just didn't. Oh, I had an epiphany recently. I'm not joking. Like a whole, like I'm like a whole different person when now, like when I'm going to open up to someone and like, I feel it initially. And that, that initial attraction to me is so hard to come by. Like, I don't just have it for anyone, but when I do, I'm not playing those games. Like I've learned now the hard way. And so for me, I'm so open to just letting myself be happy for the first time where I realized that this is what I want. Amazing.

Yeah. So that's what I'm saying. Like, you know, shit has happened in the past, but I grow from it every time. Totally. But I will say, cause I want to make sure, you know, like I'm not judging you. No, no. Literally until Matt, like that is, that was my game. I would be like, oh my God, I'm going to make sure he really fucking likes me by giving him, never giving him anything. And they fight hard for you. They go so hard. And it definitely does something to your ego. You're like, oh my God. Like he keeps coming back. I know, like so hard. I'm like, holy shit. Like you love me. Yeah, but it's not, it's not good. It's not healthy. And then when they turn around, you're like, we get back.

here yeah what are you doing and it's like bitch you have been literally destroying me for the past couple months yeah i've been trying everything i sent you flowers i'm so sweet i take you to dinners and you give me nothing and now when i leave now you want me yeah fuck you yeah it's a very immature you know like i i i'm done with that song and dance like i'm really over it and so i think it needed to happen for the last time for me to be like okay wake your shit up because you're

you are capable of so much. And like, I know what I bring to the table and like what I can offer someone. So doing that kind of game is just, it's not cutting it anymore. And I don't, I don't even want to do that anymore because it hurts me to hurt someone else. Well, I think what was positive to see is like, I feel like we like watched you grow on The Bachelor. Oh, absolutely. Like when you were like, fuck, maybe I do have to let my walls down. Like, because Joey kept being like, do you like me? I know. Hello. And you're like,

I don't know. Like we'll see tomorrow. And it was like, it was so classic what you're describing. And I think it's so relatable because I think it's like this want to not be vulnerable and you want to make sure they like you before you're vulnerable with them. But for you to actually know if you guys like each other, you have to be vulnerable in the fucking first place. So you can't be like walls up the whole time. And I think that like, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong. Like I feel like you left the bachelor stage

in a better position for your love life. Cause you're like, I now know what I'm going to move forward and I'm what I'm going to do when I meet someone that I'm actually attracted to. I'm not going to make them think I hate them. I know. I know. I have to let them know. I know a hundred percent. And like, um,

being on The Bachelor, it showed my friends and family that I am a lot more emotional than they've ever seen me. That was probably the hardest thing, watching it back, was having my friends and family see how much I cried. Because I don't cry. That's just not my thing. I am not that girl. And so they couldn't even believe it. They're like, holy shit. But it was a lot more than just crying over a guy. It was like I was...

I felt like I was at war at times where it was like just so many things accumulated into one where I was like, okay, I'm so drained, but I did. It opened me up. It allowed me to know that it's okay to be vulnerable and to let my feelings out. And it's better sooner than later because a guy that likes you and wants something with you should know how you feel because that's the only way your guys are going to move forward. And I totally get it now. Everything you're saying, I think...

led to this perfect obvious next step which is we need to talk about the bachelorette oh yes because we watch you almost as like your character arc is like you come in and you're like your walls are up and you're kind of falling for this guy but you don't know if you can because you don't if he likes you and then you let him in and then you get heartbroken but you learn so much and like we're all rooting for you I felt like America was rooting for you and America was

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Were you offered the role as Bachelorette? Obviously, I have been trying my hardest to stay silent about this. But I think that moving forward and if I'm going to be in this world, like I have to be honest, especially with the people who have supported me. And the answer is yes. Yeah, I was offered the role. I mean, it was mine until I said it wasn't. And yeah, it became very overwhelming to the point where I had to decline. So...

Thank you for sharing. Yeah. How far along were you in the process of like becoming the bachelorette until you pulled out? Yeah. Well, I, to the point where I was doing fittings, like it was set in stone. Um, I was in it. Yeah. Um, again, like, you know, bringing up Jen and all of this, like, you know, she was one of my closest girls in the house and she was always verbalizing how badly she wanted this. And, um,

when everyone around me was so supportive of me being in this position and everyone wanted this for me, I kind of took a second. I'm like, why am I not happy? Why am I not excited about this? And it took me like realizing that it's just not my time where I was like, guys, respectfully, I need to decline. I need to take a step back. I was not in the red, right, right headspace for this, especially knowing that like,

Because I know the extensive process it was to be on the show, right? So having a bunch of guys do the exact same thing and they're there for me, I didn't want to waste anyone's time. And honestly, like, yeah, it was hard for me to kind of jump right back into it, honestly. I mean, I think I can be honest. Yeah. Yeah.

you were about to come on the show and we were going to announce you as a bachelorette. Yeah. What, like a month ago? Yep. And that, I remember I was going to have you on on like a Monday and on like Sunday, I get the call, like Maria went back to Toronto. Yeah. What were those like next few days like once you turned it down? Yeah, no, I, um,

The one thing about having such a great, like, production behind you and, like, my producers were so supportive of me and, like, just being open and honest of where I was mentally and how I felt about everything, you know? Like, everyone was so excited. And I know what this season could have been like, and it would have been great. I just was not ready. And, you know, coming back home, I just... When I say that I just wanted to come back home, back to reality and just...

take time off from all of this. Like I meant it. And I think people saw that and recognize that I wasn't posting as much. And like, I was not speaking on things because as much as like, I wanted my time off, but I also wanted Jen to have her moment. And yeah,

Like, she is the most perfect bachelorette in my eyes. Like, I couldn't think of anyone better to do this. And she was so ready for it. And that was enough for me to kind of say, yeah, this is, it's not my time. It was a hard time because everyone, again, everyone was so wanting this for me. But I, yeah, I just...

I just needed to be home with my family and friends and take that time off, to be honest. When you saw how devastated America was, like, how did it make you feel? Yeah, I mean, a part of me obviously was so grateful and like, I, like,

when people even come up to me and ask for a photo or talk to me and like, love me off. I'm like, I'm in awe of you. Like, I don't deserve this. I'm just so appreciative of it. And like, that was one thing that kind of kept me going in this in this process, because I was like, I want to do this for them. You know, like, I want to do this for the people that love and support me. But in my head, I'm like, that's not doing it for the right reasons. Okay, but when you say you, it wasn't your time, and you weren't ready. Yeah. You're saying you weren't

Yeah. Why? Like, I need to understand a little bit more, like, why did you turn it down? Well, okay, like, what people saw on their screens was only the half of what I kind of went through in the house. Like, yes, did I have time off before it aired? Yes, but again, everything...

And everything was so like, I was so anxious throughout the whole thing. And I get it. It would have been my own show. It would have been me kind of having like more control over things. But again, like it's so isolating being in there and I would have to give up my phone. Again, my freedom, like not my freedom, but you know, like having to be alone in that. And I don't, I just wasn't, I wasn't comfortable. I wasn't just mentally prepared for it. I think that's, I appreciate you sharing that because again, I think it's like,

So many of the women from this season would have been amazing bachelorettes. Oh, so many, yeah. Jen, though, is the perfect pick. She's going to be great. And you would have been great. And it would have been completely different seasons. But I appreciate you saying, and I think I wish...

I think what you're doing more people should take note of is like you're not running for the clout and the fame. Like there was an obvious answer of like you would be on TV for another how many episodes and everyone would see your face and you'd be on posters and billboards. Yeah. And you prioritize it. You're like, I literally am so fucking anxious and I don't feel good. And I'm going to prioritize that over getting my bag to the right. 100%.

100% like that never interests me, interested me to begin with going on the show. And I wasn't ready to milk my 15 minutes. Like I, when I like, I remember Wells, he's, he was like, I don't know, he did the bartending on. Yeah. So he went out on a podcast and he was saying that I had all these expectations that I had all these, I don't know.

whatever the hell requirements and asks. Yes. And that one was, I wanted my phone the entire time and I wanted my friend to be a producer. And it's like, like I wanted so badly to shut that shit down. But again, I just didn't think it was my time and my place, but like, and he was like, Oh, everyone's going to forget about her and Daisy. Like, like this is the, this is going to be their biggest regret.

forget about me. Like I am so at the end of the day, I have to do what's best for me. And if that's what, like, it's, it was so disheartening to hear someone who knows this process, knows what they put us through, like not what they put us through, but like knows like how like intense it is. And like, you have to be fully committed, like knows like how mentally draining and like physically draining this could be to like say something like that. It's like,

Shut the fuck up. Literally shut the fuck up. Like you don't know me. You don't know me. And like, I'm a very respectful person. So that went so against my character. And I want so badly to speak on that because it's so not true. Like everyone knows you get your phone taken away and that's it. Right. Um,

Well, it's also just like so tacky. It's like he's been in this franchise for so long. It's like, did you ask Maria if those were her requests? Right. Did you hear it through the grapevine? Because if those weren't your requests. Right. Like don't speak on shit that you don't know about. And also not to be a dick, but it seems like I'm sure Wells would have loved to be The Bachelor back in his day. That's what I'm saying. But that's what I'm saying. But here's the thing. You know, it's kind of like contradicting for you to say I'm going to be forgotten because I'm not Bachelor. But yeah.

then where do you stand? You were never bachelor. Right. So are you forgotten? Well, I don't know you. So you're forgotten in my head, but like, no, that's kind of mean. Don't say that. I'm sorry. Wells, come make me a drink, babe. But, um,

At the end of the day, I'm just saying like, I would never say that about someone else. No, it's a great point. I support whatever anyone else wants to do. If they, if they're at the end of the day, what I wanted people to understand why I took my break was like, they would say, okay, you know, it was fairly obvious. Everyone wanted me as bachelorette. Obviously I was going to be asked.

I think that was obvious. So if I didn't do it, there had to be a reason and had to be because of me and because I had to take a step back. So for him to say it was because of this and the other thing, like Wells, Wells, that's all I got to say.

I just didn't like it. I was like, I like just talk to me and you know what asked me and I would tell you, you know, this is not but like, I'm not a I don't disrespect especially the team that was there for me who was who were leaving their families for me to like be there by my side like

I respect them so freaking much and it broke my heart because I knew how badly everyone again everyone wanted it no I agree with you on the Wells thing I think it's just like a dumb comment made by someone who like clearly would have he's speaking from what he would have done and we're like we know Wells you would have loved to be bachelor back in the day but I don't think he thinks he's irrelevant so like why do you have to be irrelevant if you don't take the bachelorette in different

ways. Like we have other things that we would like to do. And if it means me going back to reality, going back to my day to day, what does that have to do with you? And don't, don't talk negative about, about it. Like it's okay. This, this, this, I understand I was on a reality show, but I, it was real life to me too. Like I, if I want to go back home and just go back to me, I am

able to do that and I wanted to do it and I did it done okay now that we're not going to see you on the show we're not going to get to see you date 32 men no what is going on in your dating life are you single I'm so single okay I'm so single um are we going to see you in bachelor in paradise no paradise no paradise no okay so how are you approaching your dating life right now um

You know, I just want to meet someone organically. Is that the word? Yeah. Like old school, you know, I just want someone to like come up to me while I'm grocery shopping or at a bookstore, even though I don't read. I'll just be there one day. Like, I just want to meet someone the way like, I don't know, back in the day, no social media. I know my DMs are open. I'm like, what?

tell me nothing who have you gotten dms from shut up shut up look at that you i can already tell when you're lying to me your jaw just says no one no i swear who's in there you are you hooking me up who's in there do you want to look at my dms give her my phone have you not gotten a celebrity dm yet from who who who

Tell me. Who has messaged you from... Who's DM'd you? I'm married. Shut up. Who have you gotten DMs from? Come on. Like, just Bachelor Nation. Oh, give us one. Come on. No, but the Golden Bachelorettes. What? You say the Golden Bachelor. I'm like...

No. Fuck. No, the Golden Bachelorettes. Like people who support me. What man with a penis? It has always been. No, none. Bitch, can you hook me up? No. I think Peters, if you're watching this, I saw you at Coachella and I did not like that. But I'm open. Wait, the guy that played Dahmer? Yeah. Don't say that.

He was in so many other fucking things. Sorry. You're going to let people know that I'm interested in fucking Dahmer. Not Dahmer. Are you into like kinky shit like that in the bedroom? No, no, no, no. But I like horror, right? So he's like the horror icon of our generation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. He's so hot. Okay, so no guys in your DMs except for Badger Nation. No, can you get guys in my DMs? Maybe. But I don't want that though.

You want to meet someone at stagecoach this weekend. You're dancing in the moonlight. Post Malone is singing. You're like, oh, and then someone grabs your arm. Is he going to grab my arm? No. Oh, my God. Wait a second. What? Are you that flexible? I could be. No, I could be, guys. I'm flexible. Take note. Are you doing splits on the peepee? I could be.

Hey, why not? Wait, do you- Backflip on that shit. What? I'm joking. Do you use your dance moves in the bedroom? No. No. No. Just your flexibility. Just my flexibility. Yes. Yeah. I can throw my leg behind my head. You guys hear that? DMs are open. I'm joking. I don't want fucking DMs. I really don't. Guys, I'm not kidding. I- Who would you answer in your DMs except for Dahmer? Who else? Not Dahmer, man. Evan Peters. Sorry, Evan Peters. Sorry. Oh my God. Okay. Um-

Who would I? I don't know. Someone who's sweet, kind, ready for a relationship, no games. Yeah.

I don't know. Who do you think I should answer? I need to think about that. I'm trying to think if Matt has any friends so we can keep it in the family. I don't like a guy. I used to think I wanted a guy with a big, big, big personality. Yeah, no. But we're going to clash. No, they need to shut the fuck up and let us be the stars. Yes. I learned that soon. I was like, okay, when I started really reading on my Leo chart, I was like, oh, I can't have- You're Leo? Leo. Bitch. I'm rising Leo. Yeah, there we go. What are you, rising what? I think-

There could be a Virgo in there, or I'm just saying that to make you excited. Wait, so what's your boyfriend, husband? He's an Aries, and it works perfectly. It works perfectly. It does. Fire and fire. Yeah, it's great. But he's like...

He's great. He's, I just run the house and then he's great. Well, he's great because he got you. Because he's like dominant, but not in the way that like, I actually have the last word. But that's what I'm saying. Like he's a man. That's what I want. I want a man, but who lets me have the, you're fucking, you get it. Like have your independence and like, don't be terrified of your success. And like when you're in a room, he's like, go do your thing, babe. Yes. Because they know at the end of the day, you're going to make them feel like the biggest man in that fucking room. Yes.

Yes. Okay. We're going to play a game. So you're now dating. I'm going to give you a scenario. Okay. Well, you're dating. Well, you're, you're trying to, okay. I'm going to give you a scenario that could happen. Okay. Sorry. I'm like, I'm not trying that hard. Okay. I'm going to give you a scenario. Okay. Yeah. That could happen on a first couple of dates with someone. And you're going to tell me what you would do. Go ahead. He subtly flexes how much money he makes. Oh, I pay the bill and leave. Make it feel low.

Take his balls and come right off. Take your money and go impress some other bitch.

okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, what? No, I love it. No, I love it. This is great. Is there any scenario where it would be hot if someone's flexing about their money? No, never. Absolutely never. And you know what? The richest people know, not to say that I know all the richest people, but they know they don't flaunt it that way. And the people that do don't actually have it. I like a guy who's modest. Modest? Modest. No, well, not modest with his money. Like I want you to spend money. Right, no. But I mean like, I don't need him to talk about it. Like who are you trying to impress? Like it's almost like,

you want to know he's wealthy through what he says of like, oh my God, like I can't wait to take you to Paris this summer. We have to go. And you're immediately like, huh? Like what airline are we flying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got this. Like, like it's through the contextual clues, you know, he's wealthy. Yes. Not by him like flexing on you and you're like, you definitely don't have that much. If you're talking about how much money you have, you don't have that much money. I,

I have no interest in hearing it. So 100%. Okay. He texts back way too fast. Like every single time. Oh, no. Yeah. I don't play games like that. When I see the text, I answer. No, Maria. Hold on. I'm not kidding. Answer that text fast or else. No, I'm being serious. Do not wait on it. Hold on. What if it's like literally every single time you press enter, he's already typing. Oh, type. Type. Type. Why? Why not? Why not?

He's that eager. I mean, he's there. I mean, that to me shows you're not playing games. Like if you... Here's the thing. But he doesn't have a job. Okay, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not even like a five minute pause. Okay, no, no. But here, let me say. If you see the text and you answer, I like it. I don't need... Like obviously, yes, the man should have a fucking job and he shouldn't be seeing his phone right away. But I mean, for the most part, like yeah, like when you see it, I don't find it hot you waiting hours to respond. Yes, yes. We don't need two business days go by and then it's like, I'm sorry, just saw this. But if you're busy...

Do your thing. Okay. He's very into sexting. Where are we at in the relationship? Like a couple months. So we're dating? Yeah. And we're exclusive? Oh, I don't know. I'm only going to sext you if we're exclusive. Okay, good to know. Really? Weirdly, I feel like...

I look back at the dates and I'm like, I feel like I was sexting when I was like getting towards exclusive. Oh, no. I know. I need to be exclusive with you because I have fun sexting. You do have fun sexting. I felt like it was like exhausting. Because usually the guys that I talk to aren't from Toronto. And so it's long distance. So sexting is what keeps us close. Not FaceTime sex. Oh, I mean, all of the above.

OK, so you don't mind a little sex. Yeah, but not all the time. I don't like you want to just like you want it to be like special and sporadic and like keep it exciting. But yeah, OK. He leaves a toothbrush at your apartment after a few weeks of seeing you, but never says anything about it.

I'd throw it out. I'd be like, what the fuck is this here? I wouldn't even notice if you'd throw it out and be like, what the fuck? That's it. No, no. Honestly, I would be like, well, first of all, why don't you have a place and why aren't I leaving mine at yours? And also, you know what I find as I'm asking you this question quite strange? It's like, how'd the toothbrush get there? I know, what the fuck? He put it in his pocket and he's like,

No, that would be a little weird. Because probably if you're not like you probably were at dinner or you're at the bar. Yeah. So with this motherfucker keeping it in the back pocket, like poking out the whole time. Yeah. No, I would be like a little grossed out. I'd be like.

I don't know if it's ever happened, but I'll let you know when it does. Yeah. Unless he has like veneers and he like is like, oh my God, my teeth will stain if I don't get this white wine off or red wine off them. Like, I don't know. That's a turn off. He travels with a toothbrush because his veneers. No, no, no. His mom's like a dentist. No, I, I, I, that's a no. Okay. So we're not appreciating if a guy leaves a toothbrush. You're just, you're just talking. I don't think I would think too much. I mean, there would need to be a conversation. I can't imagine a guy just like slipping it in there. Um,

but i i think if he did slip it in there without a conversation i would be like what the fuck have you ever hooked up with a guy that when you went to his house and his bathroom there was another one yeah or there's it's like fully stocked ready to go for like a woman post no but that's a little fucking weird it's weird i've been there before i've been there before and i'm like like what are you a sexer on the go no sexer on the go like what are you like a fucking fucker on the go the fucker on the go like he's ready he's equipped i mean you got the baby wipes oh

gone he's got like the makeup wipe okay you know what stop this right now this is what i will say if a guy has his entire bathroom stocked for a girl if it's a one-night stand i'm like thank you thank you that i can take my makeup off i can like put my tampon imagine if he's tampons um but well that'd be confusing but that's a whole you're seeing him in a way that you like him i would be like no fuck this shit yeah i agree oh my god you want to hear sorry yeah so i was seeing this guy

This is before the show. And I went to his house and he had a his and her sink and he had moved out and he moved to this new place. I'll never fucking forget this. So he had a his and her sink. And then I walk into the bathroom and there's his sink. It's all his shit. And then there's this random toothbrush in the her sink. So I go, what?

What the fuck is that? He's like, oh, it's mine. I use... I swear to God, this was his excuse. I almost wanted to puke. He's like, oh, no, it's mine. I use two separate toothbrushes. One that's a little bit hard bristles. Bristles? What the fuck? And one that's softer. I go...

Like, I don't know. Do I look like I'm stupid? Okay, don't answer that. But I don't fuck with me right now. He went to the extent of grabbing the toothbrush and using it to prove to me that he does use it. And I went, you just did the most and you're embarrassing.

So goodbye. It's actually like, regardless of if he's lying or if he's telling the truth, both are awful. Right. Both are. Why was it on that side? Why was it on your fucking his ass? Ugly ass. Stupid messy side. Put both of your toothbrushes in the same cup. Yeah. You're fucking. Yeah. Liar. Okay. He vents to you about his ex on one of the first few dates. You know what? Um,

Um, I like this. I like to do this thing where I call it, um, honesty hour. It's actually a hidden thing that I like. I get every guy with it, to be honest. Girls take notes. Um, so I like to hang out with guys casually, very casual. Let them know we're like, we're friends. We're going to like see where this goes kind of thing. Let's have a bottle of wine and let's ask each other anything. And like, let's not judge each other on this.

So I usually ask that. I'll say, if your ex can describe you in any way, how would it be? Because I like to know. I want to see how they're going to A, talk about their ex, if it's going to be in a nice way. But also I want to know what they would think that their ex would say about them. So just like kind of opening that up and like letting them know it's a comfortable setting to like talk about that. But if they're opening up about their ex randomly without me asking, I'd be like, girl, I'm

Girl. Girl. I would call him girl. Girl. Girl. But I'd be like, listen, I think you need to send her a text and say you're sorry because you're still hung up on it. I'm not interested. Yeah. Time for me to go. But I don't know. I wouldn't want to know. Okay. Wait. Honesty hour. I'm kind of loving it. Yeah. This is my problem. First of all, I feel like every single time that a guy. Okay. Okay.

This is my experience. They're still not being honest. No, this is my problem. Every fucking time, I think that girls always want to fucking know about a guy's past. I'm like... When I met Matt, I was like, tell me every single ex you have. Show me their Instagram. Who are they? Then some of them, I was like, oh my God. Like, whoa, you dated her? Oh my God. And then...

He never asks in return. Oh my God. Cause they don't want to know. But I like that though. Cause it bothers them so much that they don't want to know a guy who's like, show me, show me. I know there there's you're right. It's like, let me make you jealous. Like they want to know. And then they don't ask.

I can see why they wouldn't want to know because I, in my mind, this is the way my thought process would be is that they like me so much that they can't imagine me with anyone else. I believe that. Is that Delulu? No, not at all. But it's not, right? No. But then there's also the other guy who would be like, no, show me every single one. And he's like,

weirdly like obsessive and like yeah um wants to like take ownership of you and wants to know like I I like the guy who would be like you know what I don't even want to see it no I love the guy that does that I remember Matt did that to me on the date I was like so do you are you gonna I know I could show you wait I'm like this guy sends me

It breaks such confidence, but such confidence. But sometimes I'm like, motherfucker, let me make you jealous. Right. Okay. Second question is when you ask them, oh, what would your exes say about you? What do you think, Maria? If I ask you, what would all of your exes say about you? Oh, fuck. I don't like this turning on me. I think they would say that I'm honest, that I'm loyal and I can be a little nuts at times.

I love the honesty. What a shocker, right? And that's me? I don't think so. Self-aware. Self-aware. So you're not doing The Bachelorette. Where are we going to see you? Like, we've got to see you more often. I would love to be seen more often. Ha ha ha!

No, actually, you know what? I'm not kidding you when I say this. Like, I'm taking it step by step. Like, this, like, you, I wanted to be on this podcast. This was my first step. And now what I'm going to do moving forward, I don't know. Yeah. I really don't know. And so to give an answer, but I'm sure people will see more of me. Yeah. I think that's a great answer. Like, I can imagine, like, this is very overwhelming, right? Oh, so overwhelming. Like, you had a pretty normal life before all this. Does your dad really make sprinkles? Yeah. Yeah.

That's kind of cool. I know. And every time I say sprinkles, they're like sprinklers. I'm like, no, no, no, guys. The shapes and sugars you see on baked goods. But people don't get it. But someone has to do it. Do you like sprinkles? I, you know, my dad owned a chocolate factory before the sprinkles. And I wasn't a big chocolate eater. I know. I'm not like a dessert girl. I'm not like... He did like chocolate covered almonds, everything. And so... But as for sprinkles, yeah. I mean, do I usually put sprinkles on things? Yes. I'm going to say yes because I own a sprinkle company. But...

Listen, we... Everyone, you need it. We need it. We need it. We need it. Thanks, Dad. And someone's got to do it, so... So you're going to stagecoach? Thanks, Papa. What are you going to do? Who are you going to stagecoach with? The sisters from my show, Iconic Girls. Love. They are the best. Oh, you told me you were going with your sisters, and I was like, who? You have sisters? Well, they are like my sisters now. Who are you going with? What are their names? Lauren and Allison Hollinger. Okay. And Sal. Do you love country music? I... I... I...

I like country music, but am I the biggest fan? No. You're kind of like a Nickelback girl. I love Nickelback, bitch. I knew it. Bitch, I cannot wait to see Nickelback. Look at these photographs. No, I literally love Nickelback and I don't get why they have such a bad rep. I know, why do they? I don't know. It's like me. Why do I have such a bad rep?

I don't get it either. Nickelback, I'm with you. Not after this episode. I feel like we really...

kind of covered it all we didn't cover anything I feel like you we need to like we need to do 19 more of these to actually get through it all but I truly had so much fun with you today I think you're even better in person you're so fun to be around you have insane stories I do and yeah there's so many more that I actually yeah I'm not gonna say it what no no no no we'll save it

We'll save it. We'll save it for something else. Yes. Maybe you'll do one day. Oh, maybe. I have an idea. Oh, well, I'm interested in hearing more. Maria, thank you so much for coming on Call Her Daddy. It was truly a pleasure and it was very fun. Pleasure's all mine. Love you. I love you, bitch.