29: The Chupacabra | Red Thread 01:07:59

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Okay, in this week's episode, Charlie's going to take the intro because it's only an intro that he can do. Whoa, is it really? Okay. Yeah, make sure you read the stage directions, though. Okay. It's down at the bottom. Yeah.

I have to do it. So I need to, I need to do the stage directions like for sure. Yeah, you need to. Okay. It would only make sense that way. This really feels like a cop out where you wrote an intro that you don't do in the stupidest way you've done so far. Okay. Hey, I'm not mad at you or anything.

Ahoy, mateys! Gather round and lend me your ears, for I be spinning a yarn about a creature more fearsome than a kraken, more elusive than the finest treasure, and more mysterious and deadlier than Davy Jones' locker itself.

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Batten down the hatches and prepare yourselves. You best start believing in red threads. You're in one. Let's go! That last line is such a banger. That's great, bro. That goes so hard. That actually goes ballistic. I love my job.

He gets to write dumb shit and just make Charlie say it. So good. You best start believing in Red Dread, you're in one. So good. I was like, what is it? How do you describe it as a nautical tale? Like, it's just swimming. Yeah. I also like, what the fuck do pirates have to do with the chupacabra? I know, that's great. When did this

Where did this come from, Charlie? Why did you start talking about that? You wouldn't get it out there on the high seas. All kinds of nasty, dastardly things happen.

It's crazy that you didn't even have an intro written, Jackson, and that Charlie just started doing that on his own. That was all improv. That's crazy. That was wild. Wow. It was after last week's audition, let's say, in the episode about Bohemian Grove, where you went through all your voices. I just couldn't stop thinking about it. And I think your pirate voice is probably my favorite voice that you do. So that's...

That's just why I wanted to hear that. It's just very satisfying to hear it. So thank you for that. I'm glad you think so.

Isaiah, can you do any voices? Just so I know for future episodes. I'm awful at impressions. I mean, maybe I could pull off a pirate voice or something. But it would have to be something very generic, like a child voice or an old man voice or something like that. Perhaps if presented with one in the wild, I could surpass it. But I can't think of any right now.

Okay, fair enough. I'll try to do a child introduction for you to mimic next week or something. Yeah, that's pretty good. That won't turn anyone off watching the episode. On Creepcast, there's this running gag that I do the world's worst Jeff Goldblum impression.

but I just do it all the time because it's annoying. Like, it's not even Jeff Goldblum. It's just like, it sounds like a crazy man who's heard of Jeff Goldblum before, and I use it to annoy him. Loosely Jeff Goldblum. Like, if I was to start reading the first paragraph, it'd be like,

in the eerie landscapes of of of rural latin america there are whispers so it's just the upwards inflection at the end of each sentence it's not even really an impression you just go that's what jeff goldblum's known for like i said it's a guy who saw jeff goldblum once

And now thinks about it. That's what the, that's what it's an imitation of. That makes sense. You know what's super strange, Charlie? Uh, so Charlie didn't read the intro up until the point where he read the intro at the start of the episode just then. Uh, we came into this episode, the recording, we sat down, um, and he said, is this episode about the Kraken or something like that? You said you should have made, no, you said you should have made this episode about the Kraken.

Because we're doing the Chupacabra for anyone who's immediately forgotten about that. And then, yeah, the intro had the Kraken referenced in it, which is... That was him being possessed. A million percent. Yeah, I found that super weird. That's pretty weird. Super weird. It's kind of creepy. Your intuition was on point. Yeah, so this week, Red Thread, hello. We're talking about the Chupacabra. I realized it had been a while since we've done an episode on any cryptids. It's been like

almost three months, I think, since the last Cryptid episode. So for a show that's entire premise was meant to be talking about cryptids and other conspiracies and stuff, very few cryptids we've talked about. Do you guys have any theories as to why that is? Probably because there's only so many cryptids left. Well, no, there's so many cryptids. Are you kidding me? There's so many cryptids. Yeah, but good ones. I'm not talking about the Boojum or anything. I mean good ones.

There's fine words around these parts, mister. You're going to find out in Texas. You're going to make fun of our Christian, make fun of the Boojum. Hey, that killed my granddaddy. You want to talk about him that way? He died a hero. Is the Boojum in Texas? I thought that was a North Carolina only one. I just thought you made up a word. I didn't know that was a real thing.

Well, that kind of explains my point, though. You can just kind of make up a word and it's probably a cryptid. So I think the main thing, though, is why we haven't done as many cryptids is there's just not that much to talk about with them. Like, there's some stories here and there, but it's kind of repeating the same story over and over again. Yeah.

It's fun, but it's like with a lot of the other topics, especially the conspiracies and stuff like the Bohemian Grove, there's a lot to dive into so that there's more substantial room for conversation and stuff. But with cryptids, it's just kind of like we talk about their appearance, talk about when they were sighted, and then we go, are they real?

nah well i think what it is is like normally on video topics we do like the malaysian flight or bohemian grove there's like a narrative a core narrative that we can kind of dissect and unpack and stuff whereas with cryptids it's like okay there's a story around it that probably isn't real and it's like that's that's the whole thing it's it's less involved

Yeah, I think so as well. No, I still love them. I still love cover. Don't get me wrong. I love them as well. But it's like something where you talk about them for maybe like a paragraph. So I'm thinking maybe...

Maybe for like future Cryptid episodes, maybe we do like a grab bag or something and discuss multiple. Yeah, that might be the way. Yeah. Let us know what you think anyway. I'm interested in hearing people's thoughts about if you guys enjoy the Cryptid episodes as much as you enjoy the other episodes. Stay tuned for the seven hour Boojum breakdown. Where we go over every single element of the Boojum.

over the course of our uh video charlie breaks to record four of his main channel videos nothing stops that production nothing no um yeah so chupacabra though pretty big cryptid you guys been uh you've ever seen him uh never seen him

Any kind of connection with him? Any kind of interest? I made a tweet about him once a long time ago saying Chupacabra's real. He just fucked my grandpa. What? Wow. I'm sorry for your grandpa. That sounds pretty traumatic.

Yeah, well, he didn't mind. It's pretty heavy. He was a big fan of the Chupacabra. So I actually have a very deep connection to the Chupacabra because when I was in the eighth grade, I had to do a research paper over any debated topic in history. So most people were normal. And they did it over a presidency or they did it over like... I think someone did it over like the...

The Romanoff twins or stuff like that. Or like Lindenberg baby. You know, normal stuff. I did the Chupacabra.

uh because i'm a freak so i remember in the eighth grade that was the first time i guess i ever like really thought about cryptids or like dug into the legends and stories around it and sightings and like made a whole presentation about it uh which if you think about it would be canonically the first windigoon video even though it wasn't recorded it was young me putting together research and then talking about a thing that goes bump in the night so

If only a teacher recorded that, they could be a millionaire right now. They could have a bajillion dollars for sure. Yeah. That's cool. I like that. I like that you've got a history with the Chupacabra. He's kind of made you who you are today, which is pretty cool. So yeah, Chupacabra, it's a pretty recent cryptid though.

like there's not that many like long-term cultural cultural stories around it really because it's like a very recent cryptid it was first cited in the 90s i mean there's there's definitely reports from the 70s and stuff but um well what's happened is after it became a thing in 95 they started to retroactively apply old sightings to it yeah

Yeah, from I think the earliest report that I could find was from like the 70s, where they retroactively kind of were like, well, this thing in this place at this time kind of sounds like what we're experiencing right now. So maybe it was also the Chupacabra.

um but yeah it's definitely a cryptid i've heard a lot of but never really dug into it's kind of just like one of those names that uh has existed since i was growing up where it's like i know what you're talking about but i've never really looked into it and i was surprised because i've heard about it so much i was going and expecting something kind of like the wendigo with like you know hundreds of years of cultural history and stuff but no it's like very recent pretty sure the chupacabra is even in a scooby-doo episode

Thank you. I love you, Charlie. It just ties into how everyone perceived the Chupacabra to be bigger than it was or longer standing cryptid than it was. I thought you were just wanting to do Scooby-Doo voices again. No. Working up to that.

we hypothetically maybe needed a shaggy voice you know that would be fitting for the scenario charlie please never change that was so great after jackson said all that also scooby-doo just got to get all the facts out there how was he portrayed in scooby-doo i was about to say i'm not even sure he was well so he's just in like he's making it up charlie's actively creating misinformation i'll double check it

Yeah, you do the on-the-ground research reporting required. It's Scooby-Doo and the Monster of Mexico. It's the Chupacabra. It's an entire movie. Okay, sweet. And he's not shown at all? No, he's portrayed as kind of like a Bigfoot. Sorry, not Bigfoot. King Kong. Like he's climbing on top of buildings and stuff. What? That's not what Chupacabra does. It's nothing like Chupacabra. It's El Chupacabra. Oh, that's like a wrestler. That's a wrestler. That's probably a wrestler or something, right?

Well, no, it's the Chupacabra. That's what that translates to. Well, maybe he was climbing a building. Maybe it is just like a wrestler or something. It's just a different depiction of the Chupacabra. That's all. Okay. They took some creative liberties with it. Exactly. Nothing wrong with that.

Alright, so in the eerie landscapes of rural Latin America, as Charlie was just talking about, there are whispers of a terrifying legendary creature known as the Chupacabra. The name Chupacabra, derived from the Spanish words chupa and cabra, which means sock and goat retrospectively, literally means, like I just said, goat sucker. More importantly, this explains chupa chups, meaning sock socks. Do you guys have chupa chups? Yeah, you do, don't you? They're chupa chups, I think is how you say them. Chupa chup.

Chupa- oh I say chupa chups. I guess I've never heard people say it so maybe I'm saying it wrong. Wait, hold up. What do you mean we have them? Is that like a thing? A chupa chop? It's a snack. It's a little candy. What? They're candy, yeah. You suck them. They're like little lollipops. You all are insane. What are you talking about? You've never had them? Jax and I get saying weird stuff like this but Charlie, I have never seen this in my life. This is from alternate reality. They're real. They're a real thing.

I'm looking at pictures of them right now. This isn't, this is insane. There's no way. That was like massive during childhood. I'd be like very, very, they're not huge over here. They're never massive. I actually only know about them because they sponsor an e-sports team. Okay. That's weird. Who do they sponsor? Carmine Corp.

Oh, okay. And they're European, so that would probably make sense, right? Oh, yeah. Well, European. I'm too important for that. Nice. I'm glad we're friends.

sweating i'm sweating here jackson's the one exception he's the one i hope he doesn't find out i'm from the other side of the planet yeah but cut to jackson with like british flags hung all over his room and stuff oh no no i i don't like i don't like england i went to england last year and i didn't like it very much you you really didn't like it

I mean, I had an awful trip. I think it was mostly my fault. As an American, I don't like it, but as an Australian, I would really not like it. Oh, yeah, after what they did to us? Yeah. Very unfortunate. Throwing prisoners on an island?

Yeah, so Chupa Chups or Chup Chups, Chupa Chups, whatever, however you say it. We say Chupa Chups, I feel like, unless there's an Australian correcting me in the comments and I'm just wrong. I say Chupa Chups and I'm sticking to it. That means suck sucks. It's sort of irrelevant to the Chupacabra, I don't know what I'm talking about. This feisty little thing, the Chupacabra, has routinely made headlines and excited cryptozoologists across the world since the 70s.

Despite, well, since the 90s, really. Despite numerous sightings and stories, the true nature of the Chupacabra remains shrouded in mystery, with stories and tales spreading across rural communities spanning from Puerto Rico to Brazil, Mexico, and even your country, guys. Even the southern United States has seen it. How do you feel about that? You've got the Chupacabra. That's not good. Sounds like an STD.

hide your goats as we've established with uh charlie's grandfather it's very not good can be terrible actually fucking everyone just uh just a dog out there just getting whoever he can i say how can you say australia is so bad when we don't have the chupacabra but you have the chupacabra

Okay, for one, the Chupacabra is- Our goats are safe, mostly. You've got the thing. What is the big long thing that can destroy anything? What am I talking about? Snakes. You know what I mean? No, okay, you have real stuff that can kill you. For one, I'm talking about your cryptid. Oh, are you talking about the dream serpent? No, me and you have talked about this. It eats cows and stuff.

um don't gaslight me now it's on my wall back here i have no clue what you're talking about i have literally a wall next to me of 300 cryptos the yaoi no i don't yaoi's not long you just picked a random one i hate you you're mocking me that's what this is i'm not mocking you i don't have any idea this is slander actually bunyip the bunyip the bunyip oh the bunyip is it long i mean some depictions it is yeah

Oh, it is long. But yeah, you can't talk about us being bad for the chupacabra when you have that thing. That thing's creepy. Well, our goats are safe, so that's all I care about. Our livestock is secure for the most part. No, it's not. It eats livestock. That's one of its whole things. What are you talking about? Yeah, actually, most things in the country eat livestock. You are so bad at gaslighting me. Hey, that's a good thing. You shouldn't be good at gaslighting.

Okay. So, Charlie, take on the appearance. Okay. Start talking about what it looks like.

Well, Cark...

Carchara Dontosaurus

or an carcarodontosaurus yeah carcarodontosaurus or an amargosaurus from the cretaceous period weird how that reminded you of those things yeah that's okay that's what came to my head when i read that yeah that's so funny oh he went carcargag wow it's just carcarodontosaurus that's funny yeah of course it's very very simple

And sharp fang teeth, perfect for puncturing and sucking blood. Some believe they saw it also have wings. A lot of cryptids have wings retroactively. Like they're like, well, uh, yeah, on second thought, I had wings. It also, it could be, it could be something to explain. Yeah. Explain how it gets around, like disappears and stuff probably. Oh, you want to know how it was on two sides of the country in the same day? Uh, well, I actually remember now it had wings. So that would explain that.

Yep, so just for a little, for the visual watchers, the people watching the YouTube video, here is a picture of the reptilian version of the chupacabra. It looks cute. It is. It's very sweet looking. Yeah, it looks friendly, like a little, I mean, its teeth are a bit ominous and its eyes are a bit ominous, but overall, the entire package, I wouldn't feel...

As threatened by as other cryptids we've covered. Yeah. Especially since it's only like what four feet tall. Yeah. Three to four feet tall. It's not very big. Yeah. What's it going to do to you? And those teeth look like just basically like cat teeth. So I don't feel like it would do too much damage to you. I feel like to the it reminds me a lot of like the Kappa like little green men with like the turtle shell on their back and stuff. Yeah. Looks similar to that.

Yeah, it looks wholesome. I like this version of it.

But that's not the version that stuck around for very long because after that it changed. So Charlie, continue please. As the sightings moved more to America and Mexico, the descriptions changed. Now it was more like a medium-sized dog that walked on all fours. It was hairless or had sparse hair with a blue-grayish tint to it with leathery rough skin. Occasionally described as glowing, the eyes were more sunken and canine in appearance, not drawn back across the head in an almond shape.

The creature was bony and thin, its ribs clearly seen and ridges on the back standing out through its skin. Its teeth were sharp and predominant, used for biting and tearing at flesh.

Yeah, so this is what I mean. This is what kind of upset me. Well, not upset me, but kind of irritated me about the Chupacabra. Is it started off as this kind of cool creature, like with the reptilian kind of influences? It kind of looks pretty unique there. And then it just shifted to like a demon dog. Yeah, just a normal demon dog. It looks like one of those fucking mobs in RuneScape, the hellhounds. It's just very standard. Yeah, the hellhounds and cod zombies or something like that.

Do you mind if I take this part as well? Because this has a cool CIA drawing of a chupacabra. Charlie, like, looking at his day's work schedule. Ah, yes, perfect. This is exactly what I want to do.

It was in the small town of Mocha, Puerto Rico in the 70s where the story of the Chupacabra starts. Although not actually seen, livestock in the area were targeted and killed, their blood drained from their bodies through small circular incision wounds. These wounds were consistent with two pointed teeth marks. Some initially thought the suspects may have been from a satanic cult. As more animals began to die, the locals started to blame what they called El Vampiro de Mocha, the Vampire of Mocha.

Fast forward 20 years, still in Puerto Rico, eight sheep were found mysteriously dead. When investigating, three puncture wounds were found in the chests of each sheep and they were completely drained of blood. Obviously, this is a strange scenario and with no real solution to cling to, the investigators just reported that some sort of predator killed the animals, possibly a fox. When they say investigation, I'm assuming they don't set up a CIA scene for eight slaughtered sheep. No. I'm assuming they just looked at the chest and were like, oh yeah, some...

a fox probably killed it. Yeah, I think just farmers. So what is the rational explanation for that? Is it actually just foxes? I assume that they would drag the meat with them or something. I don't know. Do bats ever eat meat like that? Do they ever suck blood out of cows and sheep and shit? In small amounts, like vampire bats will do it a little bit, but not enough for the cow to notice.

And also not enough, yeah, not to be completely drained unless it was like an army of bats. And also one bat killed eight sheep. One rogue bat. It'd be like a swarm, I imagine. Like they were real hungry.

That's more terrifying than a chupacabra. Just having like hundreds of bats descend on someone. Clinging to you, feasting on you. Yeah. I mean, but if there was a swarm of bats going through, I feel like the farmers would have noticed. A swarm of bats is something people notice and definitely smell mostly.

In August of that year, 1995, came the Chupacabra's first witness, Madeline Tolentino. Since the original port of the Chupacabra, there had been hundreds of animals that died in the same way, from rabbits to dogs, cats, goats, and more, even when locked away. But no one had actually seen one yet. Madeline Tolentino was inside her home in Canavanas, where she looked out the window at 1pm and saw a beast.

She described the creature as having protruding black eyes that ran up its temples along the sides of its head. It was around three feet and walking like a human on its back legs. Its long arms were drawn back and had three skinny fingers at the end of each arm. Its legs were also very elongated with matching three webbed toes. It had no genitals and a strange burn mark on its stomach area.

Madeline described it as being ready for combat, ready to attack at any moment. A suspiciously detailed description. It was wearing like military fatigues. It had a rifle on its shoulder. It had boxing gloves on its hands. Brass knuckles. Ready for combat. Without a reference to no genitals either, that was an important distinction. Like, I didn't see no cock or anything. Investigators would have asked where the cock was. Right.

Any true scientist would know. Yeah, you got to establish that first and foremost. So up on screen right now, again, for visual listeners, or visual watchers, I mean, there's going to be a picture of the FBI drawing, as Charlie mentioned, of this interpretation, the description that Madeline Tolentino depicted. So there's a depiction on screen of that right now.

Uh, I don't know. It's like a mix of the previous two depictions, but also standing upright like an alien. It's kind of alien-esque. I'd say it's, yeah, very alien. Well, it's like the body, it's the head that's alien to me. Thank you. It's kind of gray alien look to it with the eyes and stuff and the little nose. But yeah, very weird, very weird depiction. Um,

Yeah, certainly would give you a spook if you saw it. I wouldn't assume this was just a friendly man looking for help. I will give them that. This would be a spook. I just don't know if he'd be looking for combat.

Yeah. If it was squaring up its arms. Especially like the rocky music is playing as it gets closer. All right, real quick before we continue, just a quick word from the sponsors of this episode.

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and thank you of course for showing them some love and some support but right now back to the episode and back in uh i say would you like to pick up where charlie left off i would love to uh this particular up close and detailed sightings of the chupacabra began to pick up traction and the image of the chupacabra began to truly form fear was taking over the region with livestock still being found dead and drained of their blood

The mayor of Canavanas at the time, Jose Ramon Chemo, Soto Rivera, I'm so sorry, believed in the chupacabra and organized women's research parties to try and find the creature to no success. Throughout 1995, these livestock deaths were reported in Orocovos, Puerto Rico, various parts of South America, Mexico, Chile, and Brazil, and in Southern America.

The name Chupacabra was coined by Puerto Rican comedian Silverio Perez, which it is like a comedian's name. I think he was a disc jockey at the time to hear about something killing goats and then call it a goat sucker. That's pretty funny.

Yeah, I mean, it's a funny... It kind of takes the wind out of it, though. Yeah. Well, in Spanish it does. But to Americans, they're like, Chupacabra. The Chupacabra, yeah, that sounds exotic. And then you find out its name is like Friendly Little Guy or something. The same women who say gracias... There's a 40-year-old soccer mom who says gracias to the Mexican waiter at restaurants. They love it over stuff like this. All about it. Yeah, that...

They love the goat sucker for that reason. They do love the goat sucker. As the story moved to Brazil in 1997, the Chupacabra became even more canine-like, drifting away from the description Madeline gave above.

More press began to cover the story of the blood-sucking beast scaring the public. Hundreds of reports from farmers of their livestock dying horrible deaths were piling up. See, I don't understand why, if the Chupacabra didn't exist, like, it doesn't explain why there was thousands of sheep apparently dying over the country, being sucked with their blood. Like, there's so many reports from farmers of their livestock dying that...

um like even if the chupacabra doesn't exist like what is the rational answer i don't know i don't know enough about like threats to sheep to be honest but i don't think it's a chupacabra no i oh yeah i don't think it's a chupacabra but i think something something was going on a sheep killing rampage and the chupacabra was the fall guy basically it could have been it could have been a bunch of dudes it could have been a bunch of people doing it

Is it possible that it was like an actual ritual thing? Well, what I honestly... And I know this is out of character for me to play the skeptic, but just being honest...

Farmers have animals die a lot. So what otherwise would just be normal animal deaths or perhaps death to coyotes or something like that is now being recontextualized as like a supernatural being. So farmers, instead of just treat it like, oh, three of the sheep died, it's, oh, three of the sheep died. And it gathers like this new thing around. So I think it's just like,

personifying otherwise innocuous deaths through whatever like the uh the zeitgeist is like you know the thing that's going on um i think that's what so you're saying they're using the chupacabra as an excuse for their bad livestock handling yeah well i mean like i guess bad livestock handling sure but if you've got hundreds of sheep a few of them are gonna die right like it happens um yeah

And sometimes they just mysteriously lose their blood. I mean, sometimes, you know, a coyote will just... Yeah. Sometimes, like, a coyote will just come up and kill one or two. You know, a group of coyotes. Yeah, you know what? You've never, like, seen someone you know just die and then all the blood immediately evacuate from their head. Yeah, just like, yeah. They just, like, like a balloon deflating. Yeah. They just sink. It happens, bro. It's a terrible thing to see.

It's like spontaneous combustion, but for blood disappearing, I guess. Spontaneous sanguination. Yeah, that's the word. Spontaneous sanguination. That's actually a badass concept. I'm going to write that down. That's a really cool combination of words. There's your next track title, Charlie.

Spontaneous sanguination. It's free metal. In Texas, in early 2000, people began to find animals they believed to be chupacabras. The animals were hairless creatures and had burnt-like skin. Authorities were alerted about what they had found, but after DNA testing, the answer would always be simple. Wild dogs or coyotes. This happened multiple times.

In 2005, in Nicaragua, some villagers killed a hairless creature they thought were chupacabras, but again, only a wild dog. That's so fucked up. Also, if you thought it was a chupacabra and it wasn't hurting anyone, why would you kill it? Come on. That's mean. Panic.

panic, you know, mass hysteria type. There's a thing in your villages that is going to kill your animals. So people kill it and then it's like, oh, it wasn't that thing. It's mob violence. Well, I guess they would also kill a coyote anyway. Yeah. I mean, have you heard of the Salem witch trials? Like, like they just take like 14 year old girls being like, yeah, we got to kill this one for sure. Yeah. This was the Nicaragua coyote trials instead. Yeah.

Very dark period of history.

In Texas in 2007-2008, there were two incidents of finding, quote, chupacabras that would end up being coyotes. Even with the pattern emerging, people still heavily believed the chupacabra persisted. It was just, apparently, really good at framing innocent coyotes. Yeah. So sad. All the innocent coyotes lost to the chupacabra's tail. Man, you're so true for that line, King. It's really good at framing innocent coyotes. How real.

so real. I gotta fight for my coyote friends out there. This one's for you. Honestly, we could go on for a while about these types of reports, but there are some interesting things to talk about that we haven't mentioned yet. Let's go back to Madeline Tolentino. In 1995, a film was released called Species, a science fiction horror film about an alien-human hybrid called Syl who escapes from a laboratory.

It's a weird horror film where a sexy alien human seductress goes around mating with guys with its eventual offspring threatening to end the world. Madeline had seen this movie before she saw the Chupacabra and the alien in the movie very nearly resembled what she saw that night. Madeline thought that she saw Madeline thought what she saw happen in the movie was happening in her hometown, at least in its alien form, not in the sexy woman form.

Is it possible that Madeline projected what she had seen from the movie species onto an animal or shadow that she saw that night? Or perhaps she was really inspired by the movie and wanted to spread its message. A spark which then lit the fire on the Chupacabra Tales for years to come. Knowing this information led many to doubt the credibility of Madeline's claims.

It's interesting that a movie like a schlocky, pretty bad, I think I've seen it 80 years ago, but I remember thinking it was pretty bad. A bad horror movie from the 90s led to the Trooper Carver being wildly reported on and kind of led to it being as popular as it is today. And it kind of explains why she mentioned No Genitals as well, if the movie was so much about

mating and stuff yeah well also like the creature from species is very it starts out as a woman but then it transforms into like um it doesn't look exactly like but almost like xenomorph the way that like the head's elongated so close to xenomorph yeah yeah so it it

I don't know why she mentioned no genitals and stuff. It is similar, the creature in the film to the creature in her description. So especially the drawing that came out, you can see the similarities between the two. I mean, like, no one wants to admit it a lot of the time to be nice, but I'll say it. She was probably just a dumb person.

who like was freaked out by a movie or or it's possible that she just wanted attention as well like yeah attention seeking use it as a as a basis for her story and she's like yeah i totally saw a thing that looked like this using well even then like even if you want attention and stuff like that you wouldn't pick a monster from like i wouldn't say i got scared and then i perfectly described the predator from the movie you know predator

You know, like I at least I'd at least be kind of original with my description. I've said this on the official podcast before, and this led to an entire long debate. But it's like really hard to come up with original alien designs because like the human mind is very good at taking inspirations from other places. Okay. Yeah, sure. You're not going to get 100% original. I'm not one for one stealing the monster from a movie that's in theaters when I make the claim.

Yeah, yeah, no, that's fair. It's also worth mentioning that if this description is accurate and that it all was inspired from species, it would help lend credibility to it fucking my grandfather. We have yet to consider this. That's a good point.

I will say, I remember watching Species when I was younger, and she was very hot. Yeah, she had giant tits. Huge. I remember having a young child and being like, hey, hey-o. So you know what? Good on you, Charlie's grandfather. Yeah, that cross-alien species love is very nice to hear about. Thanks for that.

what is that a reference to charlie why'd you tweet that i don't remember why i tweeted it it was just a cool tweet i had in my little noodle you're just besmirching your grandfather's good name for twitter likes he was a victim well that's consensual hold on if he saw species he would probably agree yeah you're right i did absolutely oh yeah

The animals that fell victim to the chupacabra's death were also never confirmed by necropsy. It was also found that hundreds of these animals were also not completely bled dry. This doesn't completely discredit the farmers or people who reported these animals had been completely sucked to blood, because they might have honestly thought they had been. If they had been bitten in the neck, blood would have poured out into a giant pool around the animal, making it appear like all of its blood was lost, but apparently that was not actually the case.

So what if someone was just, like, stabbing... I don't know, stabbing the sheep? Maybe there was, like, a menace going around stabbing sheep and then they just bled to death, maybe? Although I feel like you would hear about... hear, like, the screams from the sheep and stuff. So the deaths would have to be fairly quick. I don't know. I think...

Okay, so if you stab something in the neck, it's going to bleed out and stuff. I can see how a farmer would come up to it and see it like its neck slid open.

And all the blood and be like, oh, it was blood completely dry, even though that's not technically true, right? It just bled out till it died. No, I can understand that. And also, it's not, the neck wasn't like split open, remember? It's two just circular incisions. Two holes, yeah, yeah. Like teeth, yeah. Then there's also the taxidermied creature that resides in a home in Texas. Owned by Phyllis Canyon, who originally saw the creature on her range after she had just gotten back from Africa.

She left it be, amazed, though, by it and unsure of what it was, calling it, quote, the weirdest thing I've ever seen. Then, in 2007, it ended up as roadkill in front of her house. Not at all suspicious for a woman with multiple dead animal bodies in her house. After taking a photo of the strange creature, it blew up online and she got a taxidermy. Experts later confirmed it was some kind of coyote.

Yeah, I mean, it just looks like a dog, though. I see this picture right now. Is she not the creepiest person you've ever seen in your entire life? Yeah, I was going to say, which was the chupacabra? What the heck, dude? I'm about to cry. This is terrifying. Yeah, no offense to Phyllis Canyon out there. All the offense. Please stay away. I'm scared. Oh my gosh.

Also, it's just a dog. It's just a dog. Why'd she think this looks strange? I get like it's got no hair or anything, but it's just a dog. I'm so terrified. Okay, so I think it's her glasses. They're doing something with her eyes. The glasses is definitely not helping. It's not helping, sure, but just like the combination. Just elderly, that's all. It's not that bad. You're going to look like that one day.

Okay, alright. I don't think it's the age part of it. It's like

I don't know. Yeah, it's scary. It's kind of scary photo. Scary photo. So there was another sighting a year after that went viral in Dewitt County. Corporal Brandon Riedel was driving when he captured a chupacabra running alongside a fence. And I've got a video here if you guys want to open it up so we can do a live reaction to this. I've seen this video. Oh, do you remember it? Mm-hmm. Okay.

Look at it. It's a chupacabra. It's a chupacabra. Get it. Kill it. Get it. Shoot it two times. It's running away. Don't let it cross the border. Shoot it as much as you can. Just unload on it.

Yeah, so that's the Chupacabra guy's... I love that cop who's like... See when it turns its head? I love that cop that's like, I've never seen a dog in my life. Yeah, I mean, the snout kind of looked interesting, but from behind it just looks like a dog. It is just a dog. I don't know why. Why were they so amazed by it? I have never seen this in my entire life ever.

yeah okay that's enough of that we've seen it this video is actually great because of how happy that cop is he's like I just turned on my camera and we got it and I'm just tickled as a peach so happy couldn't be better my mama was real proud of me when I showed her this video she said you're gonna put the town on the map that's what she said and by god look here we are on to the news do it county baby

Do it, County. I'd say it does a better pirate impression than you do, Charlie. That was good. Pirate? I'm being like some Texan. What are you talking about? Pirate? Now I'm offended. Hold on. What do you mean pirate? That was the best pirate I've ever heard. Seriously, like it wasn't obviously a joke. It hurt my feelings.

If that's true, by God, I'll tell you what, we're going to put this here county on the news, not only for having a Chupacabra being the first in the state to do so, but also having our very own pirate ship out in the bay, said Jackson Clark. And you know what? If Jackson Clark was right about Boogie, who am I to say he's not right about the true nature of piracy in the Midwest? Damn right. Yes. That's the sheriff.

That was the sheriff speaking, that is the authority of the town, so who am I to say otherwise? Imagine, I kind of get it though, imagine the sheriff, he's like been working at the desk in some boring town for 40 years and then he sees a dog out on the road. Yeah, that's got to be the highlight of that man's career right there. It has to be, it has to be. Never before seen. Yeah, I'd turn on my little cop camera thing for that. Oh yeah. I'm just more surprised that the media took him seriously.

Like they saw the same video. Like I get one person being like, holy shit, this is the wildest thing I've ever seen. But it's like the collective confirmation from multiple people being like, yeah, you definitely saw something there. No, I don't think many people said that. Well, yeah, the fucking media was there. They were filming it. What do you mean? Yeah, but they film stories on actually anything. I don't think they were there like that. No, they played into it. Well, actually, that's probably why they were there. I remember seeing that clip.

uh of like the dog running and turning its head on every single animal planet episode ever oh yeah actually i do remember that as well yeah i remember seeing something similar to that on animal planet like yeah like every every lost tapes video every like stuff that goes above it's like but then the creature was spotted running and uh with the turning its head in a way that dogs don't do they don't don't check it don't look it up this is a chupacabra for sure

actually that's you're 100 right if it was on animal planet and they did like a dramatic cut in on its face when it turns head tilt the camera slightly slow motion filter over yeah and like did a scary noise at the same time i would have been scared could this be what researchers were looking for the thing of nightmares here in carterito texas yeah i want man i watched so much lost tapes

If you package it right, it can sell. There are like 800 different sepia filters on it. And then add some TV static and stuff. And make a beat drop when it turns its head. Yeah. That's the devil right there. We should kill it. We should actually burn down that county, I think, to be safe. It's the safest thing to do. It's the safest thing to do. So even in 2022, a chupacabra was seen in the city of Amarillo. I've heard of that place. Amarillo, outside of the city zoo. Amarillo is pretty big.

At 1.25am on the 21st of May, something weird was picked up on the security cameras. The blurry creature is seen standing on its back legs and walking like a human, but it appears to have a snout and even an animal-like head, though hard to see in the picture. And then we have the picture here from the city of Amarillo.

The quote says, the Amarillo Zoo captured a strange image outside the Zoo of the Dark in the early morning hours of May 21st around 1.25am. Is it a person with a strange hat who likes to walk at night? A chupacabra? Do you have any ideas of what this UAO, Unidentified Amarillo Object, could be? For one, I don't appreciate them messing with agreed upon terminology to insert their cute little city name into it. Yeah.

This is a million percent someone in a costume because what kind of security camera would just get a one still image of it midway through the frame? Well, yeah. Well, the rest is classified. Yeah, clearly. So I'm mad about that. I'm mad about their disregarding for procedure, an unidentified and real object. Are you serious? Like grow up.

And also, show me the rest of the footage. If this is so important, show me the rest of the footage. Show me that you're not a poser. Show me you're not a loser. I swear, these cities in Texas, they get one cool song about them, and then they just get all uppity, like they're something. Well, you're not, so I'm kind of mad about this. Didn't you just come from Texas? Yes.

Did you have a bad time? Do you want to talk about it, champ? No, I want to talk about Amarillo specifically. Like thinking they're all uppity that they could just lie like this and just tell lies outside. It is pretty well. It kind of looks like the UAO has a... Don't support them. Don't give them that.

I'll repeat myself. It kind of looks like the UAO has bolt cutters in its hands. Was it just going to break into the zoo? No, it's a small pitchfork. Well, it's a full-size pitchfork, but it's so big it looks small in its hands. Yeah, what you can't tell here is that's actually a 23-foot tall chupacabra. Those are the tallest fences. They're really protecting the zoo then. That's enormous. I want to find the original tweet. I'm mad.

Are you gonna fucking tweet at them? I found the original tweet. Don't start beef with the city of Amarillo on the Red's behalf. I'm immediately starting to beef with the city of Amarillo. This is a disgrace. That's not who you want to pick a fight with. They're clearly good at their jobs. Don't do it. They'll destroy us. Get wrecked, pussy.

There we go. Wow. Wendigoon punching down. They've only got 8,000 followers on Twitter, you bigot. Like, what the fuck are you doing? Actually, I could do better than that. Get rekt. Find God. Be better. Well, you sure showed the entire city of Amarillo, I guess. Well, you're going to be getting a lot of knocks on your doors pretty soon. All right, Charlie.

Well, he rage tweets at City of Amarillo. Oh, wait, hold up. Let me add a reply to that. Jackson Clark told me to type this. I don't want to start a shit with Amarillo. His address is 506. Actually, his address is the country of Australia. They'll find me.

You should have told them it was Amarillo. The call came from inside the house. Oh, actually, this would have been way funny if you actually went to Amarillo and did it from inside there. Like, took a photo of yourself inside Amarillo and then attached it as a picture to the tweet. I'm about to ratio them already, so there you go.

Sorry, continue. I just had to get that out of my system. Go on. I'm glad you've started the very first... Well, is it the first Red Thread Beef? Probably not. I'm sure we're beefing with someone we're not aware of. Someone in the comments waiting their own fight right now. Probably the city of Amarillo at this point. Imagine if they're in the comments right now. Charlie.

All right. In later sightings, Chupacabra described more like a dog, hairless, thin, where you can see its spine, protruding eye sockets, and noticeable claws and fangs. But much like any cryptid or story, the appearance of the Chupacabra changes depending on sensibilities of the time and location for those who have supposedly seen the creature. A very plausible explanation for the Chupacabra in many eyes is that it's just a dog or coyote. Notably, coyotes will often attack its prey by the throat to kill as fast as possible. And then Jackson put a photo of a Chupacabra.

Many wild dogs will develop a skin infection called mange. Mange can be pretty nasty, leading to thickened skin, severe hair loss, and a gross smell emanating from the animal.

It's caused by parasitic mites that embed themselves into the skin of animals, leading them to becoming very weak. This prevents them from being able to hunt their prey like normal, thus turning to easier to catch food like livestock. According to DogTime.com, there have been many chupacabras killed by farmers that were DNA tested, and they were just normal dogs that suffered from mange disease.

And mange is very sad. It's very gross. Yeah, it's... I mean, all diseases that affect dogs are so sad. It's fucking awful. A University of Michigan biologist, Barry O'Connor, came to the conclusion that the reported sightings of the chupacabra in America were simply coyotes that were infected with parasite scar... scarcopes scabby. Sarcoptee scabby. I feel like that's just scabies, right? Yeah, it's gotta just be scabies.

In 2010, he spoke of how symptoms would explain the reported appearance of the creature, as coyotes with the parasite present have little to no fur, thickened skin, and a disgusting odor. The illness could also explain why the attack on goats occurred. Because these animals are greatly weakened, they're going to have a hard time hunting. So they may be forced into attacking livestock because it's easier than running down a rabbit or deer.

And then there's also the possibility that a lot of the American and Mexican sightings of the chupacabra are simply stray Mexican hairless dogs. And then there's a picture of a Mexican hairless dog here. Yeah, that looks exactly like the one that she got taxidermied, that woman from before. Yeah, it looks very similar.

Yeah, so... Yeah, this is the most rational explanation, definitely, that, you know... It's ultimately the incorrect one, because the accurate one is the next section about it being an alien. It was actually an extraterrestrial being. Yeah, the extraterrestrial being theory cements itself into this story, and...

Even though descriptions of the Chupacabra relate it to a dog, there are still strange, unexplainable details. Firstly, its appearance has changed throughout the years. People began to wonder why. Have the aliens changed their appearance depending on where they are in an effort to try and conceal themselves more by looking more dog-like in recent years?

Yes.

They're testimonials that state the chupacabra emits a very high-pitched screech that brings waves of nausea to eyewitnesses who also smell a weird sulfuric smell. Aliens are known to do that. Yeah, they do that. Aliens are known to stink.

So could the Chupacabra be aliens on Earth? Or perhaps they're simply the escaped pets from previous aliens that visited who have been long forgotten by alien tourists? What is the difference between an alien and an alien's pets? They'd both still be alien, right? We may never know. I like throwing in some really deep thoughts in there. Some deep questions to really ponder about. Brain busters. Yeah, I think I'm on that side. I think it's an alien.

The dog thing makes no sense at all. It has to be an alien. Yeah, dogs don't stink. Yeah, especially not ones with mange. They're not known to stink like aliens do. And they don't spray a nausea wave. Well, maybe... Well, I'm sure they do squeal when they're suffering from something. So, yeah.

I could see why some people might think that they're dogs, perhaps, but I'm firmly in the alien camp. It's got to be an alien. It's always an alien when it comes to cryptids. I was saying I've been spending this time leaving an angry reply to Charlie's original tweet about the Chupacabra. You found my Chupacabra tweet?

You also have another tweet from 2016 that says, I'm working on a book. I don't want to give too much away, but it's called My Ass Pounded by the Space Chupacabra. Oh, that's pretty cool. You still working on that? Still in the lab? Yeah, that one's still being written. Ghost written. Yeah, well, make sure you tag the city of Averillo in those tweets as well. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Now everyone's spreading slander on the Chupacabra's good name's been taken care of. Would you like me to cover unidentified species? Yeah, go for it. Fuck it. Why not? Going back to the Chupacabra being a dog, coyote, or some sort of animal, could it be an unidentified species? Well, it looks like other animals. The Chupacabra has a uniqueness about it. It's slightly strange appearance, spining backs, glowy eyes, and

Could be from a genetic mutation and it exhibits traits of reptilians and mammals. It becomes hard to put the chupacabra into any singular category. No, it doesn't. It's a dog. The category is dog. What do you mean it's hard to put it in any singular category? Like there's two different definitions of it or descriptions of it. Those are two wildly different things. It doesn't mean it is both of those things. Anyway. May I continue?

Yes. You may. I'm getting angry. It's an alien. Its vampire-like behavior could be the result of predatory or parasite adaptation. So, could it be a rare evolutionary offshoot species adapted to be able to kill and suck the blood clean from its prey? Or what about an animal lingering from prehistoric times? Like the crocodile, sharks, and sea sponges, maybe the chupacabra is a figure from times long past.

Yeah, it could be a Carcharodontosaurus. I'm still in that boat. It could be a Carcharodontosaurus. You guessed on that one. You guessed on that one. There's no way. What? There's no way that's how it's pronounced. Car-gon-ta-don-ta-saurus or whatever. Carcharodontosaurus. No, stop. Stop. Stop spanking Australian. I don't like it. All right. Would you like me to take the last part or would you like to take it?

You can take it. All right. You can take it. It's possible that what started as some blurry sightings of dogs or other animals propelled itself into this big blood-sucking alien-like cryptid. But so many reports on what it looks like, adventures away from animal-like creatures to more of a folklore tale. In rural communities, Chupacabra embodied the fear of the unknown and losing one's livelihood, hence the livestock they need to earn a living. There have been many animals that are mysteriously killed

These seemingly tingling themselves in the tale that could be the Chupacabra. With the added media recognition, mass hysteria, the story evolving with each retelling, is the Chupacabra a real animal? Or could it just be a story that has reinforced itself through repeated telling? And then finally a note from Jackson that says, no, it's clearly an alien.

Why am I the one taking the hard stance on this? I feel like you should be the skeptic here. I'm saying it's an alien. Okay. You came up with a really good theory for the Mothman one. I want to hear that so that I can attach myself to it and believe it. Okay. For the Chupacabra, you want to hear a theory like that? It's a time traveler. The Chupacabra.

People are wrong taking it down the reptilian route. The fact that it's on Puerto Rico is too often overlooked that Puerto Rico is an island, right? There are several aquatic creatures that have kind of these parasitic existences. A lot of like crustaceans, for example, or stuff like that are these kind of...

They've adapted to feed off of larger fish or to like drill holes in the side of fish and eat them and stuff like that. The reason that the Chupacabra doesn't show up anywhere on land until it suddenly appears as a full-blooded creature is because it existed beneath the waves before being able to migrate to land and begin to attack livestock.

Now, that means that several chupacabra sightings are falsehoods. The ones that look like coyotes or the ones that look like dogs or whatever are entirely just attaching the idea of the creature onto something that's clearly an animal with mange. Whereas the true chupacabras which exist around the Caribbean

are all creatures that have come up from the water to feed on prey before retreating back that's why we can't find them again and that's why we chased our own tail looking for evidence of it right so they're kind of like the what's the world of warcraft uh fish people called the merlin or the murloc yeah yeah similar similar to that similar to that but far but far more animalistic

Okay. More or less. Okay. So they come up from the ocean to feed and then they go back into the ocean? The ocean element is completely disregarded in Chupacabra Tales. That's why we can't find it. Right. Okay. So there's some hidden city. Okay. Yes. People far too clearly, especially with the canine element, far too clearly associated with desert existence or prairie and stuff. They're looking in the wrong direction. They need to go further out.

Yeah. So it wasn't actually wings that people were seeing. It was some kind of like swimming apparatus. Well, it's their gills. A wetsuit. It's their gills. Have you ever seen wings folded against something that makes like these leathery flaps and stuff? It's the gills on the side of the creature. Gotcha. Okay. Sure. Yeah. That sounds right. That sounds right to me. Charlie, you got anything better? No, I think that finally closes the book on the whole thing.

Alright, well that's... Hey guys, we did it. We solved the Chupacabra. It's an ocean dweller. Why haven't they just tried? It was so easy. You just need Isaiah. They're just not thinking right. Good work, Isaiah. Thanks, team. I appreciate it. Unironically, though, when I remember being in the 8th grade, the Chupacabra pushed me towards a lot of my interest in storytelling now.

Because I remember going into it like, okay, it's a made-up story. And then it's like there were actual deaths that were happening. And there were things around the area that were strange, like animals with mange, coyotes, and stuff like that. Well, yeah, I'm still saying it's strange that the things were killed, the sheep were killed in general. Yeah. I still think it's strange. There was something that was making people afraid, so they connected it to the local lores and legend around them. So...

So learning about the Chupacabra in eighth grade, I would say directly led me on the path to doing Windigoom now. So I am forever thankful to the silly little creature. Yeah. Where would you guys rank it on the tier list? Mid-tier, only because Scooby-Doo carried it.

I think it's a C. Hold on. Let me see where I put it on my crypto tier list. C. I put it a C tier as well. Yeah, I'd say it's a C. If we're talking about the creature itself, it's like a D tier. It's just like a dog or kind of undefined thing that runs around like drinking blood. But because of its popularity, I think it gets bumped up to C.

Yeah, for me it's a D, but because the woman in species had tits, that's up to a C. Yeah, that's fair. The stories around Charlie's grandfather might even push it up to a B. I like a cryptid that can entertain Charlie's grandfather. That's very nice. Entertain is a wild word for that. That is an insane thing to say about what's being described in that tweet.

Wait, what is being described? He said it was consensual sex, didn't he? Yeah, it was consensual. I mean, I'm sure, but... For one, the Chupacabra at best is an animal, okay? So we're already pushing the line. Hey, only if you subscribe to the fake news that it's not a fucking alien.

He straight up left. All right, that's going to do it for this week's episode. Thank you very much for joining us. We'll see you in the next episode of Red Thread. Wait, sorry, I forgot to do my duties. Remember, you know, do all the stuff. Subscribe.

What is it? Fucking... We've got audio platforms you can go listen to the show on. Go check us out there. Feel free to leave a comment, like, all that kind of stuff. Really do appreciate the support. And let us know what you think of Cryptid episodes because...

I'm interested in hearing feedback on this one because again, we haven't been doing cryptid episodes that much just because there's not that much to talk about. As you can see. What were you? Yeah. Where'd you go? Isaiah? Okay. It was funny because I didn't realize I cut out. I was just in the middle of talking and you just go, check us out on audio platforms. I thought you were making a point. No, it's an animal. I think you just left. Yeah.

I said it's an animal and also it's like a 23 foot tall demon thing so I don't think Charlie's grandfather really had a say in what happens well he was I mean the chupacabra respects boundaries well that's kind of him and I also wanted to point out that someone replied to my tweet attacking Charlie and said red thread moment so they know they know immediately what this is about nice hype

All right. Thank you guys. Thanks for listening to this week's episode. We really appreciate it. We'll see you next time. Thanks. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye. And be sure to attack the town of Amarillo on Twitter. Thanks everyone. Bye. Don't do that. Don't do that. And remember, when you do it, when you do it, Jackson Clark City, the same guy who was right about Boogie, it's the guy who wants Amarillo destroyed. I love Amarillo. See you in the next episode of the Red Thread. Love you Amarillo. Bye.

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