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What began as a routine Malaysian Airlines flight out of Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia would quickly turn into one of the most confounding mysteries in aviation history. Short into the flight, the Boeing 777 carrying over 200 people would seemingly vanish into thin air, disappearing from radars and impossible to hail by radio. What followed was a decade-long search for the missing flight that would only turn up further questions.

There's no chilling words, no aliens, no Jeffrey Epstein, only the missing flight MH370 and this episode of The Red Thread. Uh, boys, how are you guys going?

Doing all right, Jackson. Thanks. That's good. I like to check in because stuff on the red thread gets a bit confronting and depressing every now and then. So I want you in high spirits before we go in there, uh, just in case you fall apart at the seams, I need to make sure you're in good, you know, optimal podcasting position. So I'm glad to hear you're doing good. Uh,

Isaiah, how are you doing? Are you good too? I'm doing great. I'm a little sad right now that, you know, the story wasn't like, you're in the air, what's happening? You are a Boeing 777. This is, you know, like, but other than that, I'm doing pretty good. I feel like that kind of twist has become too played out at this point and also people would be suspecting it. So it's super hard to pull off now.

And this week's document took a lot of research. And by the end of it, I was like, I just didn't have a lot of time to dedicate to writing the intro. So that's why. The beautiful thing is no matter how much research you put into it, you've got nothing on the alien conspiracy theorists that really firmly believe this flight was abducted midair by UFOs.

I know. There's about 30 pages of comprehensive research here going over multiple theories. But for some reason, I didn't write anything about the alien abduction theory. So luckily, that's why Charlie is here to bring that level of sophistication to the research. Order to the chaos. The truth has to come out one way or the other.

I will say that while I did diss you for the intro, I apologize now because I realize you slipped Jeffrey Epstein in there, and that is something to be admired. I appreciate that. Yeah, yeah, I had to. I had to include some kind of reference to the red thread there. Otherwise, it would have been a very traditional kind of intro that you'd see in any person's video about this. But luckily, we got that Jeffrey Epstein element still. I'm very proud of him.

Yeah. So MH370, one of the most, I think one of the most confusing mysteries in aviation history still unsolved to this day.

People have theories, people have a lot of comprehensive theories about it, but it is still fundamentally unsolved in the concept of how it happened and why it happened. We are pretty definitively sure that it did impact the ocean, the Indian Ocean, the flight itself at some point over its eight hour flight time. But how it got there, why it got there is still very unknown at this point.

And so, aliens might be involved. And so, that's going to be an important element that Charlie will dive into eventually when we start discussing theories. I'll dive into it right now because the evidence is absolutely fucking atrocious. There's a video clip that has these little lights on it and then it goes away. Where's the video clip from? I actually don't remember now, to be honest with you. I can't remember where it comes from. But it's these three little lights in the air and then the plane vanishes and they're like, holy fuck.

You know, the fact that we don't talk about it, there's going to be someone in the comments angry at us for not giving it like it's due course. Fucking Corridor Digital. They made a whole debunking on it, explaining exactly how that was done. And that's still not good enough for that community. Like they definitively proved that it wasn't fucking abducted by aliens and it still wasn't good enough to satisfy them.

Someone's going to be watching this like, another case of big YouTubers not crediting small creators. Yeah. Unless we... I mean, there's so many theories here. I did read about a theory where people believe that the plane itself was teleported. Like, this was the first official use of teleportation technology. And they teleported the flight to somewhere safe. I like that the government would use it on just an airplane. Just a random... Yeah, yeah.

What's that principle where it's usually just the most simple and obvious? Occam's razor. Yeah, Occam's razor. I usually subscribe to that just to keep myself sane. And there is definitely, as we'll go over the research, it's very clear that there is a most obvious and simple explanation for what happened, even if there is no undeniable proof. Isaiah, what's your level of intimacy with this topic?

I remember everything when it was happening on the news. I remember thinking about how tragic that has to be for families. Like, you can't really breathe because you're kind of in this limbo of it for a while. But really, after it left the news cycles, of course, the occasional, like Charlie said, very compelling evidence of aliens video would pop up. But other than that, I'm not that familiar.

Okay, that's good. A lot of stuff did happen over the 10 years that followed the initial disappearance that we get into. So I'm excited to... It was a very interesting case because I was kind of like you. I obviously followed it within the month of it happening because it was a sensational topic at the time, very well covered, especially in Australia because it happened off our coast, basically. The search recovery effort was led by Australia. So it was in the news a lot over here. So...

But past that point, I kind of fell off from keeping up to date with it. So going over this was very enlightening in the ways that there was a lot of information that came out after the fact. And I was always of the theory that, or always of the understanding that we didn't like kind of have any idea of why it happened. But there is definitely a compelling theory that a lot of pilots and experts believe in that I think is probably the most compelling theory.

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

very, very scary in that sense. So I'm sorry that you have to be here for this one. I believe that. It sounds about right. I do have quick notes to get over. Very chunky episode, a lot of research and confusing elements to the episode this week. So I'm going to keep the pre-show notes very quick. Just a quick reminder that we're on audio platforms. All the distribution links are below in the description. There's also a link in the description to the show notes where you can read a bunch of stuff about the case that you'll be hearing about over the course of the video. Also,

A huge, huge shout out to a fellow YouTuber by the name of Mentor Pilot. He's a YouTube channel that created an incredible video about this case that I highly recommend you go watch. It's from about three months ago. Massive source of information for me going into this because it was a lot to digest, a lot of reports to read, and he made it just a very...

A lot easier to digest that information. So I highly recommend you go check that video out. Link will be to it in the description as well as in the show notes themselves. Yeah, just a fantastic YouTuber. And finally, this episode is brought to you by our friends over at ExpressVPN and AG1. More from them later on in the show. But that's it for show notes. Sorry for interrupting you, Charlie. I feel afraid to take over. I'll forgive it.

So flight MH370, a regular Malaysian Airlines flight, was originally scheduled to depart from Kuala Lumpur in the International Airport on March 7th, 2014. But the flight was delayed, pushing it back to depart at 1241 a.m. the next day. Leading the flight was Captain Zahari Ahmad Shah, who signed in for duty two hours before the flight, and First Officer Fariq Abdul Hamid, who signed in for duty an hour and a half before takeoff.

Captain Zahari, age 53, was a very experienced pilot who had been working for Malaysia Airlines since 1981. Married with three children, it's been said that he had no known issues with money or mental health and was a great member of his community. He had 18,000 hours of flying experience under his belt with nearly 9,000 of those being on the Boeing 777 and was a very self-confessed aviation geek.

Zahari had a flying simulator that he built in his own home that was similar to the Boeing 777-200 and would share YouTube videos posting tutorials of the flight simulator and also on how to fix things around the house as well. Yeah, he had a super cute YouTube DIY channel where he would show him repairing various items around his house and how to repair things.

He seemed like a super wholesome dude, just a fairly normal guy, like a married guy who had a lot of hobbies on the side, loved flying. Yeah, that was my perception of him going into this as well. That's what I understood. So it's very interesting where the kind of information leads us to eventually.

And then First Officer Fareek Abdul-Hamid, age 27, only had 2,700 hours of experience, with only 39 of those being on a Boeing 777. He was in the process of transitioning from flying an Airbus A330 to the Boeing 777, which required a different certification, but there were no concerns as he was supervised by the veteran pilot and line instructor Zahari. In fact, Fareek's training and progress on the Boeing 777 was going exemplary.

Well, up until this point. I was giggling at just saying 777 or 777. It's fucking like mind rotting the amount of times I'm reading that already. Just say 777. Just say the plane. It's fine. I think, yeah, we know we're talking about a 777 here. I think I'm just going to start letting it be known as the plane.

If a 747 pops up, we'll let you all know. Don't worry. Yeah, we'll specify if it's a different model. Or an alien aircraft. Or an alien aircraft. Oh, yeah. An alien space vehicle. The Flugrad 77.

The fucking flugelrads, yeah. He was needing to operate under the training regiment before going in for certification, and there were no indications that there were any problems between Zahari and Farik as colleagues, but there was also no indication that there was any level of familiarity between the two. Due to this flight being a training flight on the part of Farik, Captain Zahari likely arrived as early as he did so he could look over the younger pilot's logs and history to ascertain any trouble points that he would need to be aware of.

The flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing was expected to take around five and a half hours, with the arrival time set at 6.30 a.m. The two pilots went through their pre-flight briefing with the incredibly experienced flight crew, which consisted of 10 Malaysian airline staff members with over 200 combined years of experience between them, where the lowest level of flight experience was 13 years. Isn't that insane? Just this plane full of probably Malaysia Airlines just top staff, basically. Like, the...

The janitor on the flight was basically, he had like 13 years of experience on that, in the company and stuff. Just an insane level of like skill and company experience. I like how you think there's an in-flight janitor, like a custodial staff that comes out for some reason. Well, I don't know. He hides in the bathroom while no one's in there.

Yeah, they have a secret compartment for the custodial staff. He's bucking him up. He's like curled up in the fetal position in one of the overhead bins. That's why they don't let you open that one overhead bin that says for emergencies. Yeah, that's why he's sleeping during the flight. It's a pocket dimension.

Everything was looking to be a rather easy flight, with the weather in Kuala Lumpur and Beijing both being good, and all regular briefing items were cleared quickly and efficiently. Zahari and Farik decided on a final fuel uptake of 49,100 kilograms, which would last them around seven and a half hours, two hours more than the expected flight would take. This amount of fuel was found to be within the regular and expected levels of fuel for a flight, and the aircraft was also in perfect working order. Everything was set for a smooth flight.

Yeah, so people... I remember initially... I do remember initially when the news came out, people...

People had trouble understanding why a flight might need more fuel than what was just required. This is very typical with flights because obviously in cases need to go to a diversion airport or something of that sort, you want extra fuel to be able to make that trip. But people were pointing to this as an example or evidence of the pilot

for some reason uh requesting more fuel so he could fly longer out over the ocean which is what would eventually happen which is no compelling dog shit smooth brain theory because i feel like everyone on the planet knows that you usually want to over prepare as opposed to under preparing it's not even exclusive to flying it's just anything no yeah exactly but people latched on to that i remember very clearly in the first few weeks of the uh thing happening

It was decided that First Officer Farik was going to be the main pilot flying, and immediately upon entering the craft began the pre-flight checks, including putting in all the flight information. All of this, including the exact time he input the information, was tracked by ACARS, the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting Systems. It's a digital data link system that transmits via satellite or airband radio between aircrafts and ground control.

This, generally speaking, lets people on the ground send information to the plane while it's in transit, such as updated weather patterns and messages. The link between MH370 and the satellite systems was set up at 1154 PM with a login handshake that confirms the uplink between the satellite and ACARS button.

That's the system I just read. Investigators know this was working correctly at the beginning of the flight because A-Cars captured the first officer's input. It was around this time, during the initial phase of the departure procedures, that first officer received a NO-TALK notification to captain on the flight systems information panel.

This is generally received that the pilot needs to be aware that they're transporting dangerous goods. In this case, there were no dangerous goods being transported, but there was a special load of mangosteen. Mangosteen? Yeah, which is a type of fruit, I think. Mangosteens, yeah. That have a tendency to leak juice, which is why it was noted by Notalk.

No talk continued to relay that there was no evidence that any damaged or leaking packages has been loaded onto the plane. In subsequent investigations, it would be found that the plane was loaded with two and a half tons of lithium ion batteries loaded onto the plane. Though these were secured on a package by package basis and were stored in such a way that they weren't considered dangerous goods. Yeah, let's focus on the mangosteens and not the highly explosive batteries that were loaded on the plane. Oh, what?

That's like a joke. It's like, oh, don't mind me on my way to my lithium convention. Ready to fly. Shoved it all in the cargo hold. It's hilarious to me that the no talk, the notification to the captain was about just like,

with the possibility of leaking. It was like if dynamite was on board, but they instead focused on the bananas. We received word one of the passengers snuck a water bottle on the plane. Be aware. So for those of you that don't know, lithium ion batteries at the time, back when

when this flight was happening they weren't considered a dangerous good that really needed to be cleared very specifically but in current year uh with a lot more understanding about how lithium ion batteries kind of work in uh transit via avia like via aircraft um there is a lot more risk

understood about them potentially exploding or lighting on fire. So they are considered a dangerous good now. I'm pretty sure that need to be cleared very securely. That wasn't the case at this point, which is why the no talk didn't go through to the captain about the lithium ion batteries. I personally don't think this really had an impact on what happened with the flight. I don't think that it played a part.

part and in fact I think a lot of flights during that time period would have been transporting lithium-ion batteries especially those going to and from China so I don't think it played a personal part in the tragedy that you know happened but a lot of people definitely subscribe to the theory that the batteries exploded mid-flight and caused some kind of damage to the systems

And it's not an unreasonable thing to think, to be fair. It's not unreasonable. Yeah, it's not like a crackpot theory. That can happen. It's definitely not aliens, but with the events that transpire as we'll go over, I do think it's unlikely that that particular thing was the reason for the events. It just doesn't make sense to me. Investigators would go on to rule out these batteries as a possible source of the events that would take place, but worth noting that some believe they could have played a part. Basically what you were just saying.

There are 239 people on board the aircraft coming from 14 different nationalities. 153 were from China, 50 from Malaysia, 7 from Indonesia, 5 from India, 4 from France, 3 from America, 2 from Canada, Iran, Ukraine, and New Zealand, and 1 from the Netherlands, Russia, and Taiwan.

The two passengers from Iran were later found to be traveling with stolen passports, though this was cleared by Interpol as unlikely to be related to terrorism or a hijacking, as the pair were most likely seeking asylum in a European country.

Yeah, so that was another theory that popped up, that it was a hijacking attempt by two Iranian individuals, though there was no real evidence to suggest that they had any kind of terrorist ties. So that was pretty quickly ruled out by a lot of international agencies, not just Interpol. Malaysia themselves ruled it out pretty quickly because it was...

Pretty clear to them from their investigation that they were seeking asylum in a European country and it wouldn't make sense for them to do something like this. So very unfortunate for them that they picked the wrong flight basically to attempt their asylum. Very, very unfortunate. Real quick, a quick message from our sponsors of the show.

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Absolutely. So MH370 was cleared for takeoff and everything appeared normal as the pilots followed standard procedure during takeoff and the initial minutes in the air. 1242 AM, the SATCOM and ACARS showed the plane taking off normally. Zahari and Farik were instructed to head straight towards the Agari waypoint by departure air traffic control instead of following the standard instrument departure route, which they then set on the flight management system.

This was due to the early time of the day that meant there were less planes in the sky and less need for meticulous routing of air traffic. MH370 continued to climb in altitude en route, changing frequency to the next controller point of contact until reaching Agari. Up to this point, everything remained normal, no cause for concern regarding the flight, the pilots, or air traffic controllers.

There is something small but interesting that happens after this though. Highlighted by Mentor Pilot in his video "A New Trace: The Full MH370 Story So Far", at 1:01 AM, Captain Sahari made a call to their area controller letting them know that they were maintaining level speed and altitude. This message was not a necessary one, but it was received and acknowledged. Only 7 minutes later, he called the area controller again and relayed the exact same message.

Mentor Pilot highlights that there are two reasons why a pilot may do this. The first being they forgot if they had already done it. Mentor Pilot argues that this doesn't seem likely here because this was an unnecessary message in the first place. Possibility two, on the other hand, is

is if the pilot had not been on the message frequency for a little bit due to changing other settings or otherwise being distracted by other tasks, they like to repeat the same message to make sure the area controller hadn't tried to contact them in the time they were otherwise distracted.

Yeah, so it's basically like when, it's like them calling up and say, you still there? Pretty much, yeah. Just letting them know that they're back on, effectively. This implies that between those seven minutes, the pilot had become distracted by something and was checking to see if air traffic control had anything for him once he returned to active flying. He also highlighted the change of pitch in the pilot's voice between the two calls, with the first one sounding completely relaxed, while the second more certainly had a more stressed annotation. What are you doing?

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This wasn't really explored by the investigation, but it's something that Mentor Pilot specifically picked up on in his own investigation in the events. Mentor Pilot's a flight trainer with many thousands of hours training and flying Boeing planes for airlines, and is certainly credible when it comes to picking up on nuances in the voice annotations of stressed pilots, as he sees it a lot during training sessions, and the fact that he specifically is able to pick up on something here is clearly interesting.

Yeah, so there's the potential of what happened between those seven minutes. Between those seven minutes that made him stressed. So the implication is that something happened in between those seven minutes that took the pilot's attention away and he became frazzled or he became stressed or otherwise busy. And then once that had become under control to him, or at least partially under control, he sent that message to the air traffic controllers to basically, you know,

diminish suspicion or make sure that there was nothing that he needed to respond to that he hadn't otherwise kind of avoid any kind of level of suspicion. I also really I had a giggle to myself then when you read back that he that mentor pilot is a flight trainer with many thousands of hours training and flying Boeing planes. He just like trains the planes themselves. I don't know why. Oh yeah like he's a plane teacher like a dog trainer. Yeah yeah. Yeah.

He raises planes from a young pup till they're ready to fly. I don't think anything like

like bad about the plane happened in those seven minutes if i had to guess i would say it was something with uh fariq i feel like maybe since he was kind of like taking the helm here maybe there was some tension between the two of them and it was leading to him getting stressed or upset i don't think this is like evidence that maybe the lithium ion batteries exploded or he was trying to mitigate something in the like the actual systems of the plane well it's because he saw the flying saucer charlie

That's true. They saw the aliens. He was amazed by it. Let's keep our head in the game here, boys. I agree with you, Charlie, though, because if something like that did happen, I feel like that would have been relayed at that point. Absolutely.

Yeah, I think it was probably just like some kind of disagreement between him and the first officer. Like, I don't think it was anything actually wrong per se. Maybe just not very happy with the way that the flight was going with with freak there, perhaps. I mean, the way the events eventually go, you might change your opinion on who was the trouble point here.

Well, I'm not saying Farik is the trouble point. I'm just saying maybe there were just tensions flaring up there. I don't know what could have been going on, but I just don't think anything big would be happening there that would lead to him being distracted because I really think an experienced pilot like him would relay something bad. Well, I think an experienced pilot like him would probably not get stressed by training someone because he had done that a million times before. I feel like...

I don't know if there was drama between the pilots at that point. I don't know about that specifically, but I do think that his stress was unrelated to something accidentally happening. Let's put it that way.

Yeah, we can meet in the middle there. Yeah. It sounds like you think Farig fucked his wife or something. What are you talking? No, like Jackson, you teaching me a Raiden destiny, your fucking temper flares and nothing's gone wrong. That is true. I'm still learning. You get very stressed about that. Frustrated, yeah. You're right, you're right, you're right. It's a very human thing to have happen. Yeah, like what you're doing right now. Yeah.

All right. The Agari waypoint is located in Malaysian airspace right on the border with Vietnam, with the next waypoint on their route being by dot in Vietnam airspace. As MH370 approached Agari, their air controller instructed them to contact Ho Chi Minh Control, who would be their next point of contact in the air traffic control chain.

This is done because radio range makes it necessary to keep moving to different air traffic control channels depending on where you are geographically. It is essentially like turning to a new radio channel. Goodnight Malaysia 307 was the last communication from MH370 at 1.19am. The captain did not actually correctly read back the radio frequency they were to change to, the Ho Chi Minh control channel, failing to confirm the radio signal.

As pointed out by mentor pilot, again, this is indication to him that this was a pilot that was potentially stressed and focused on other things at the time. All air frequencies must be read back correctly to avoid mistakes, and this is something that pilots are very aware of and do every time they are confirming a frequency change. The Malaysian air traffic control operator had moved on by this point to other traffic in the area, as it was normal to do that after clearing a flight from the area and handing over to the next controller.

Seconds after passing the waypoint, however, the transponder was turned off. The only way for this to happen is if the pilot or someone in the cockpit moves the identification knob on the transponder to off.

A mechanical failure would have knocked out all of the systems at the same time, but strangely, it was only about 30 seconds later that the secondary radar also disappeared. If it had been a systems malfunction, both systems would have likely turned off simultaneously. The fact that there was an almost rolling knockout of systems appears to show a situation where they were manually toggled off by someone in the cockpit.

Both of these things happened during a time and area where nobody in air traffic control was paying attention to the plane, so it wasn't noticed until sometime later. This is because the Malaysian air traffic controller had moved on to other flights as the handover had been completed on his part and the Ho Chi Minh air traffic controller wouldn't have been aware of the flight until MH370 radioed into their radio frequency for the first time, which they never did.

Thus, this was the point where the plane ostensibly disappeared. The fact that this all happened in a patch of routing between two waypoints across two international jurisdictions, of which only accounted for about five minutes of travel time between the waypoints, is incredibly suspicious to say the least.

I mean, yeah, it is like, it's the most optimal. If you wanted this plane to disappear, this is the only point really where this would have been achievable. Yeah. Between waypoint Igari and, uh,

...by Todd across two different air traffic control jurisdictions... ...in between the point where the air traffic controllers... ...basically aren't looking at your plane on the radar... ...because you've left contact of one of them in Malaysian airspace... ...and the Ho Chi Minh air traffic controller is still waiting for you to call them first...

before they start paying attention to you. And that's where the transponder failure happens and stuff like that starts happening. I didn't know that initially going into this. I always thought that maybe it was like an autopilot accident or like some kind of depressurization event and the pilots were incapacitated. But as soon as I heard this, that stuff started happening in between these two waypoints, that's when I became a firm believer that there was some kind of

uh someone taking over the cabin let's say or someone taking over the cockpit let's say oh someone you didn't you didn't mention this at the start so you think this is not an accident anymore per se you think someone was me personally i think this was absolutely intentional by oh interesting

Yeah, I absolutely do. That's why I said this was a very interesting case because I like previously up until this week, I had been a firm believer that it was an accident, some kind of depressurization event that happened where people lost consciousness and then the plane flew on fuel for eight hours and then eventually crashed. But what happened, I think it's pretty clear to me, at least now that this is an intentional act by someone.

What other explanation would that be for removing the transponder at this point in between these two waypoints? That wouldn't be caused by, let's say, lithium-ion batteries exploding. That's true, yeah. Because that would have taken out the systems all at the same time. 30 seconds is long enough that it's very, you know...

That's a substantial amount of time for systems to kind of have a rolling effect of them turning off. Well, I guess we'll continue to learn and we'll see where I stand, which will be the definitive answer. There's more. There's definitely more that add to it.

Aircraft have two types of radar, primary and secondary. Secondary radar is what most flight tracking tools use to track air traffic in the modern day and age. It works by sending out an interrogation signal that aircraft essentially respond to by using their transponder automatically. This signal tracks the information like range, bearing, identity, and altitude and relays it back to the tracking source. It is only usable if the transponder location on the aircraft is turned on though.

Since MH370 had seemingly innocuously turned off its transponder at this point, secondary radar connection had been lost. Primary radar is the more conventional type of radar and doesn't require permission on the part of the plane. It works by sending out radio waves from giant radar dishes that then bounce off objects like aircraft and return to the radar antenna.

The time for the waves to return is used to calculate the distance of the object. This type of radar tracking is what you see in military movies with a circular map with red dots beeping on them.

As this type of radar does not require a transponder or any element of the aircraft system to be working, it was still possible to track the plane via primary radar even after the transponder was turned off. Importantly, this was only able to happen while within the range of a radar dish and the nature of its short wave radio signals mean that it has a relatively limited range and can't track altitude and speed as reliably. Yeah, so most air tracking kind of occurs on that secondary radar.

radar you know conventional system nowadays that's like if you've ever looked at like flight radar and stuff like that that's what that's what that's how flight information is able to be relayed on those kind of tracking maps and

and that's what most things use to track planes. But that requires consent, let's say, from the aircraft itself by turning on the transponder. Once that transponder is off, the plane essentially becomes invisible to everything other than military radar dishes and stuff like that. Real quick though, I decided to look at the manual turning off of things. That actually seems to be somewhat debated on like,

like how certain they are that it was manually turned off. So there seems to be a little bit of back and forth on whether or not it was manual or could have still been the result of some kind of malfunction. And that's something that apparently gets emphasized in a few of the reports. Yeah, the reports are from a while ago as well. So there might be new information since the reports have come out from what mentor pilot specifically said. He seemed pretty

He seemed pretty sure that it was a kind of rolling in the rolling

The rolling nature of the systems going off indicated to him that it was a manual kind of event. So that's kind of what I'm erring on. But I'm sure you could contest a lot of the stuff in general about the case because we just have no physical proof of anything. Yeah, there's so much evidence missing from it. But I just want to put this out there that it's not 100% confirmed that it was them being manually turned off those systems that we were talking about earlier. That's fair.

Although the secondary radar signal from MH370 disappeared, the primary radar continued to track the aircraft as it came up to Ho Chi Minh's airspace towards the Bidoc waypoint. This doesn't mean that anyone was actually paying attention to the flight, however, as they weren't aware of its existence because they were never contacted by MH370 in the first place. If the plane had entered into a restricted airspace, it would have been noticed immediately, but because this was a normal commercial flight area, nothing seemed out of the ordinary.

However, midway between the two waypoints and shortly after the transponder had been disabled, primary radar picked up that MH370 made a sudden almost 180 degree left turn. Yeah, I remember that.

This term was later replicated in simulations, but never matched precisely as MH370 had done. The autopilot system on aircraft only allows for specific movements within certain banking altitudes, leading many to believe that during the sharp turn, the autopilot was disengaged and someone was manually controlling the aircraft.

Boeing tried to replicate the maneuver with the pilot, but was unable to. And in fact, with an autopilot, sorry. And in fact, was only ever able to replicate it with a pilot flying manually, thus adding fire to the theory that the autopilot must have been disengaged at this point. The banking angle was simply so steep that an autopilot was very unlikely to have made the turn and thus manual control must have been used at least partially through the turn.

The reason why this is so important to continue to talk about in such detail is because it speaks to a level of control over the situation and agency over what would happen in the future. If the pilots were incapacitated due to depressurization or some other factor, it was thought that perhaps the autopilot put the plane onto its final path without any control by the pilots. But as this illustrates, that is incredibly unlikely.

Spintor probably concludes the only reasonable conclusion that can be drawn from this is that someone had now started interfering with the flight's trajectory on purpose. I was going to say, so that's an interesting point about the plane performing a bank turn.

Like Charlie said, maybe it wasn't manual. Maybe things were going off in sequence of each other, right? But maybe a fire or something? I don't know. I'm not expert enough on planes to know what could cause that. Like...

At this point, just looking at the evidence of what's happened here, let's say that some kind of fire, like a lithium ion fire or whatever, started knocking out systems and the pilots were stressed about that. It knocked out their ability to communicate and maybe that's why the transponder went off, the communication systems went off and they weren't able to contact any kind of air traffic controller. Yeah.

It would make sense then why they would then divert the plane and make this turn to try to find a, you know, some closer land yet landed ship. Yeah.

yeah so in in a vacuum all the stuff that's happening right now could be potentially explained by something like that right uh further on though is stuff starts getting a lot more um okay all right you got you got me hooked i wanted to this passive but now i'm an active listener continue wendy goon have you not seen the lamino video on mh370

No, I haven't. I didn't know he made one on it. Neither you nor Jackson have seen that. It's honestly one of his best videos. It's extremely well made and it's just a really recent one. It's five years old. It's not that recent.

Okay, a lot of stuff has happened in the last three years. Yeah, yeah, I imagine a lot of the information presented in that is maybe got some like addendums by this point, but it's still a really well done piece on it. So when I first watched it, it got me kind of hooked on the mystery. Did you guys watch the Netflix one they made on MH370?

No, I heard that was kind of bad. Yeah, that one was dog shit. I was hoping that wasn't anything that was swaying your opinion because that one I didn't finish or anything because it is just bad. It is just straight up bad. What did they argue that was the most likely? Well, they basically took the Lamino video, stretched it out to like, I think it was like three hours long and wiped their ass with all logic behind it. It was just really poorly made from top to bottom. It really just wasn't good.

I feel like watching that now after having done this research. All right, I'll continue on from this point. So after that, the Malaysian air traffic controller responsible for MH370 had instructed the plane to contact Ho Chi Minh, effectively handing over control and was now most likely focused on other tasks and not monitoring the aircraft closely, even though they still technically and formally had responsibility over the airplane.

Meanwhile, the Ho Chi Minh area controller was waiting for MH370 to establish contact with them before closely paying attention to the plane itself, as was normal to do for air traffic controllers. It was likely that they just didn't have any idea. They knew that due to the flight plans and stuff that come across their desk before planning

planes depart or before planes come into the airspace. It was likely that they knew the plane was coming, but they were just waiting for them to contact them before, you know, closely paying attention.

It was during this transition that the plane made its abrupt detour, and as previously shown, the fact that it happened between the two waypoints seems to be entirely purposeful. It was simply the perfect place and time for this disappearing act to happen, as the two controllers were focused on things other than the plane itself. The sharp turn itself is also particularly telling.

as it allowed MH370 to avoid entering the Thailand Air Defence Identification Zone, where any unidentified aircraft would have been closely monitored and investigated. By making this impossible to complete while in autopilot sharp turn, MH370 just narrowly avoided the heavily monitored area. Due to the path the flight took,

Anyone looking at a primary radar at the time would have assumed the flight was simply diverting and was still under Malaysian air traffic control. It wouldn't have seemed like anything necessarily out of the ordinary at the time for anyone looking at the primary radar. It appears as though the plane was now completely manually controlled as it headed further southeast.

The passing the plane was now on positioned it between the Thailand ADIZ, that air defense identification zone that I just mentioned, and airway M765, which meant that it would easily avoid any opposite traffic. This all certainly implies that A, it wasn't the autopilot making this detour, obviously, and B, whoever it was that was making the detour was someone who had intimate knowledge of the area and route and knew what areas to avoid.

So they would know that the Thailand air defense identification zone was there and they would know that that airway was on the other side of it. So they positioned themselves right in between those two lines, essentially, in a place where they could easily traverse without any kind of other air traffic colliding with them and without having to identify themselves to Thailand. And so there's two pictures on screen at the moment showing just...

how close or just the pathing the plane took in between these two areas.

So that's certainly interesting to me that they were able to avoid identification. That speaks to some level of trying to remain inconspicuous to me, at least. I also feel like you look at these pictures and you're like, oh, wow, they really skirted the line. But in reality, there's no lines, right? That's such a hard thing to do, even if you know where it is.

It's not like a video game where you can check the mini-map and see how close you are to an enemy's detection or whatever. That's such an incredibly precise thing.

It is, but also they do have navigation maps on the aircraft, so you can see those lines. They're usually displayed on waypoints and the special identification zones like that. Well, no, no, the waypoints are, but if I remember correctly, they don't display like, here's the zones on the map. I did one of the flight sims, and the main thing that gets shown there is basically the points that you're going to, not necessarily where other things overlap, such as this identification zone, unless...

Unless I'm just way off my fucking gourd here.

So I think that they do. I would have to fact check that. I didn't fact check in this document, so I will have to fact check that. But I think they do do that. I think it's just likely that the flight simulator hadn't, you know, they weren't flying you over Area 51 or anything like that in the flight simulator. They didn't have you on that level of difficulty mode or something. I'm pretty sure. I think Mentor Pilot mentions it in his video that they do show up on the map as like these single dotted line kind of restricted zones and stuff like that.

Okay. I mean, I guess that would make sense too. So that way you could avoid like restricted areas and shit like that. That would make sense. It still speaks to a level of anticipation and premeditation to me for this plane to take this kind of routing.

So the plane continued to fly on a southeast trajectory in a manner that seemed entirely likely to have been manually flown due to the nature of the different turns and adjustments. First officer Farik's phone was actually registered by a cell tower at Penang Island, meaning that the plane had likely decreased in altitude while flying over this point of the path, perhaps as an attempt to increase airspeed to increase the distance flown on the fuel capacity.

As pilots' phones are required to be turned off and disabled during pre-flight checklists, and this likely would not have been ignored by a pilot who was in training for a new line certification, the fact that the phone was on and in a capacity to interface with the cell tower has led some to believe that the first officer may have been trying to contact someone for help at this point. No call or message signals ever came through, however, because of the signal strength, and the signal itself was only detected for a very brief period of time.

So the fact that his phone was on at all is very weird, weird for a pilot in training who would be, you know, very hyper-focused on making sure that he was doing everything correctly. The fact that he had made that kind of, that action, I think speaks magnitudes to

But maybe I'm looking too much into it. And the fact, so this signal happened while they were flying over a, basically directly over the top of a cell tower in Penang Island. That's why it was able to be picked up. And because the cell towers have a very limited range,

signal strength in terms of how high they are. That's why investigators believe that the plane itself had dropped in altitude because otherwise if it was flying at its usual 36,000 feet, it wouldn't have reached the cell tower.

Okay, so now we move on to SATCOM. There is a system in aviation called SATCOM, Aviation Satellite Communications, which provides communication to and from aircrafts via satellites. These are crucial for maintaining connectivity during flights, especially when aircrafts are over remote areas where traditional ground-based communication systems are not available. At 2.03 a.m.,

automated communications with MH370 were attempted via SATCOM. So these happen automatically every hour. But there was no reply or acknowledgement back at all, which was certainly interesting to investigators. If the ACARS system was turned off or otherwise failed, the

The link between the ground station and the SATCOM satellite itself would still take place, but it would simply relay the fact that the aircraft's ACARS wasn't working. Additionally, if the ACARS system was manually logged off, this would also show up in a log file sent to the ground station automatically during the handshake. Basically, it would just send a report saying, hey, the pilot turned off the system manually. That's why you're not getting any kind of information. Due

Due to there being absolutely no automatic acknowledgement or reply, the most likely theory is that the plane itself was experiencing a power failure. Experienced Boeing's 777 pilots posit the theory that due to there being an overabundance of supplementary power sources,

that the ACAR system and the satellite communication system is able to draw from at any given time, the person flying the plane must have manually turned off all of those power sources, which again showed a level of sophisticated knowledge of the plane type. The reason they think that is because there are just so many rudimentary and supplementary power sources on a plane that are designed to keep

you know, basically backups of power sources that make it almost impossible for all of them to go out at the same time and make it so that the systems should still work in the case that, you know, a fire damages one power supply.

So the fact that there was absolutely no power indicated to experienced Boeing 777 pilots that this may, let's say may, because, you know, it's still contended, this may have been a manual action of turning off each of these individual power sources.

So they would then have to turn off the generators, whoever was doing this. They would have to turn off the generators, turn on and off the auxiliary power unit, which would have automatically powered on when the generators were disabled as a means of continuing to power the plane, which would then start what is called the Ram Air Turbine. The Ram Air Turbine, also called the RAT, is basically the last generator

and the absolute last source of power and is intended as a final emergency mode to power the bare necessities of flight.

This provides power to the most critical points in the aircraft, like the primary flight displays and navigation systems, while also denying power to the ACAR system and autopilot. As both engines were still working perfectly fine, aircraft hydraulics and maneuvering weren't impacted at all. That's completely beside the point. You're still able to fly the plane, basically, in this very basic level of power, because the motion of flight is still powered by those giant engines.

What was impacted, however, was all the cabin lighting and comfort features like the entertainment systems, which is important to detail. We weren't able to watch our shitty Netflix shows on the plane anymore at this point. The lighting would have also been in emergency mode and it would have certainly been obvious to those on board that something was wrong by this point.

So if you have a look at the picture, what the rat is, what the Ram Air turbine is, it's an actual turbine that lifts out from the plane. It's like a little propeller that uses the wind to power itself, basically. So it's like a windmill, right? So it spins and generates power that way for the plane, which is really cute for some reason. It's so tiny. Yeah, I've never seen that. Yeah.

Isn't it incredible that that little thing just by kind of perpetual motion is able to power, you know, power some component of the plane to continue in its process? What a marvelous feat of human ingenuity. Yeah.

Yeah, the rat. I mean, it is kind of smart from like, you know, scientific. It's like if we lose power in the air, where are we going to get power? And someone's like, like he looks up in the sky and sees a bird fly and he's like, wind. Of course. It's so simple. It was right in front of us.

I think it is really incredible just the level of backups that planes do have for emergency situations like this. There are just backups upon backups upon backups of things that are designed to make sure that these things never crash in the modern era. So some theories throw forth the idea that whoever was controlling the plane may have depressurized the cabin at some point before this point as a means of ensuring the crew and passengers remained in their seats. This would have been easy to do by opening the outflow valves in the cabin controls.

After this point, masks would have dropped from the ceilings, as you've likely seen during safety demonstrations, and each passenger would have had around 22 minutes of oxygen supplied to them, meaning that if the cabin was depressurized early into the flight, the passengers likely would have passed away due to the oxygen deprivation within 42 minutes of the depressurization event itself.

The pilots, on the other hand, had an oxygen cylinder available to them in the cockpit with an endurance of 27 hours. It had been filled up just earlier in the day, so whoever was in the cockpit would have been easily able to survive the full length of the eight hours of flight time provided by the fuel. So if this is a hostage situation and the plane did continue on its full eight hour flight that it eventually was confirmed to have taken...

Then I think the only outcome is that depressurization event to keep some level of control. And in fact, I think it's the most likely situation given that there were no outbound calls or messages sent from the plane during the eight hours.

I do think that the depressurization event likely happened. And in fact, if I was a betting man and if I was, I am, but if I was subscribed to the theory that the pilot or someone took over the plane, then I think in that stressful first seven minutes in between the waypoints or leading up to that point is probably when the depressurization event took place. And that's probably why he started getting stressed badly.

because he was initiating his plan, let's say, because I'm subscribing to the theory that it was him that did this. That's when that would have taken place, potentially. That's kind of my understanding of what happened. I don't know if you guys want to weigh in on that, but that's just where I'm at. Unless I'm the biggest loser on the beach, I'm not really understanding why, in your theory, why he would even bother depressurizing the cabin.

uh well because to keep control of the situation he wouldn't want people storming but they wouldn't even know something was wrong until all the lights and everything went off and even then like their options are kind of limited for what they're going to do next all the lights would have gone off in between that um in between when the communication systems went off because that's when he disabled all the power in in my theory so that would have been during that

during the moment in between those waypoints. Oh, sorry. That didn't happen right now. Yeah, I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying. Okay, I misunderstood. I thought, okay. He took control of the plane very early into the flight. So people would have known very early into the flight that something was wrong. So...

But the flight still continued for seven hours after that point. And if you were a pilot trying to enact some kind of plan or hijacking, and you were already going to crash the plane into the ocean somewhere where it was unrecoverable, I'm assuming that he didn't care about the lives of those on board. So he would have just initiated the depressurization event to give himself the room to do this calmly or as calmly as he could without people banging on the cockpit door for seven hours is what I would assume.

It just still seems like, well, why would he even bother to be fair? But I see like your timing makes sense. Like I get your timing now, but it just doesn't seem like something he'd bother doing if his plan was just to crash it in the first place. Yeah. I mean, it's definitely, again, contentious. A lot of this stuff is hypothesis.

Does someone else want to take over for a bit? I'll take it. MH370 continued its flight path and made a turn to the right of Penang, as confirmed by military radar tracking that was reviewed after the plane's disappearance became obvious.

Due to the timing and location of the initial detour occurring during the dead of night and between Kuala Lumpur and Ho Chi Minh area control, there was a significant delay in attempts to establish contact with MH370 with approximately 20 minutes having passed. Kuala Lumpur and Ho Chi Minh air traffic control initiated communication to discuss the status of MH370 when Ho Chi Minh air traffic control realized that they had not heard from the plane.

Kuala Lumpur Air Traffic Control also notified Malaysia Airlines about the missing aircraft, who confirmed to Kuala Lumpur Air Traffic Control that there was nothing wrong. Malaysia Airlines' headquarters tracking system indicated that MH370 was following its flight path towards Cambodia, which was what they relayed. The air traffic controllers then went on to contact their counterparts along the route in Cambodia to try and track down the plane.

In reality, the flight was heading in the opposite direction. It's important to note that Malaysia Airlines' tracking system relied on prediction algorithms rather than actual data when it was unable to receive data from the aircraft.

as a temporary backup in case connection was lost which would have been instigated by the aircraft's transponder being disabled. So in case you don't understand what that means is basically the people at Malaysian Airlines headquarters were just seeing what you basically see on like a you know the in-flight tracking algorithm that just makes a prediction of where you are. They were just seeing that so they were seeing the plane

plane over Cambodia as a prediction of where the plane would be at this time if everything was going perfectly when in fact the plane was going in the opposite direction. So they relayed the incorrect information that the plane was in Cambodia to the air traffic controllers who were now desperately trying to find this missing plane and the Cambodian air traffic controllers were like, we don't see shit on our radar. We don't see whatever you're talking about. We have no idea what you're talking about. And it wasn't until

later when they started interfacing with military people who had access to these ground radars that they were able to piece together where this plane had gone.

It's kind of like when the USS Indianapolis sank during World War II, there was like a distress call that was made and a ship picked up on it and relayed it back to like home base. And home base's response was, no, that doesn't make sense because the boat isn't supposed to be there. So they ignored it. Yeah.

I mean, that's a good argument. The boat's not supposed to sink, silly. That's not what boats do. They float. Then you get off this frequency with the prank calls. Malaysian Airlines headquarters basically like, well, from our maps, we see it's landing right now over at Beijing airport. So you guys should just get there and greet them at the gate, basically. Yeah, if you guys open your eyes, it's pulling in right now.

After passing Penang and the VPG waypoint, MH370 altered its course towards the VAMPY waypoint, which it subsequently passed on its route to Mekar, passing slightly below the designated waypoint. Shortly after passing VAMPY at 2.22am, the flight completely disappeared due to there being no conventional radar in the area.

However, three minutes later and one hour after detouring away from IGARI, MH370 transmitted its first handshake signal via its SATCOM system that seemingly come back to life, albeit without the necessary flight and company credentials, suggesting that whoever was piloting the aircraft likely disabled all communications.

MH370's ACARS satellite system was operated by Inmarsat, a British satellite communications company providing global mobile communication services through a network of satellites.

While in Marsat's satellite systems were primarily designed for communication purposes, not aircraft tracking, the data exchange between Imersat and aircraft could be utilized to approximate the aircraft's location via some sort of ingenious reverse engineering, effectively mimicking a GPS device that provided a crude positioning indicator every time they made contact.

Quite frankly, the way they were able to accomplish gathering this data was very impressive and very difficult to parse. So I highly recommend watching a video explaining it. It's a lot of actual explaining how the systems and the technology actually works. We could spend an entire video talking about it, but I can't. We can't. We don't have time.

It's above our pay grade. We're fucking absolute buffoons when it comes to this kind of stuff. Mentor pilot is who Jackson recommends here again. Apparently, he also provides an example of how the GPS works. So what is necessary to know, though, is that with this process, investigators were able to ascertain a very rough positioning value of the aircraft as it made these hourly connections with satellites. Yeah. That's how they were able to find a route. I was absolutely...

away by the levels of ingenuity that investigators used, like back engineering of systems that weren't designed to be used in this capacity to track airplanes. It was actually incredibly impressive how investigators employed technology to track the plane as best as they could when the plane itself wasn't around any kind of conventional radar dishes or tracking sources or anything like that.

And that kind of ingenuity continued to happen as early as like 2023 with new breakthroughs and stuff. It's been super impressive. The data transmissions known as handshakes occurred every hour. However, the first handshake occurring at 2.22 a.m. had a frequency error rendering it unreliable.

This did, however, display something interesting. The quartz crystals used in the SATCOM navigation transmitters needed to be kept at a reliable and constant temperature in order to avoid this large frequency anomaly. I also find it really cool that we actually use crystals in technology. I just want to throw it out there. Yeah, it's like some fucking medieval stuff. Yeah, some... not necromancy. The precious crystal that reveals one's location at any time. Yeah. Yeah.

It reminds me of like Star Wars with the kyber crystals and the lightsabers and the rule of two, right? There it is. I was going to say it if you didn't.

I knew the second Kyber crystals came up, I had to bring up ruler two, but it really does remind me of that. I really thought you would have brought the ruler two up earlier when, when the, the fact that the two pilots, the two pilots, yo, I didn't even make the connection to, to you. So right. Maybe, maybe this flight was when the apprentice took over Charlie, the apprentice became the master.

Due to the fact that this frequency error occurred, investigators were led to believe that the quartz crystals had failed to warm up due to a power shutdown, which had shut down its temperature controller, indicating that the aircraft had been operating with minimal power prior to this event, and it's why the investigators were so sure that the plane had been operating in a powered-down state up until this point. Yeah, so that's what, you know, that's further evidence to, you know...

in the powered down state of the aircraft up until this point. That's why they were so sure. The fact that the satellite uplink also didn't include any company information was deemed as interesting due to the fact that the initial uplinks in the flight did successfully include that information. For the information to not

Sorry, the way you wrote that really fucking threw me for a crazy loop. For the information to now not be registered in the new handshakes, the person controlling the plane would have had to disable all communications through the communications manager before the satellite communication unit became operational. Doing so after the plane was manually powered back on meant that the flight and company information would have been erased, which is exactly what would be needed to happen for someone wishing to continue to stay hidden.

Regardless, even though no data was actually sent out due to the disabling of the communications manager by the person in control of the plane, the signals themselves were able to be used to ascertain a rough positioning as we've previously established.

There were a total of seven handshakes indicating an extended amount of flight time beyond when the plane initially disappeared. The first and last handshakes were actually initiated by the plane itself, indicating that they may have been caused by power fluctuations or interruptions, with the last one likely being due to the fuel finally running out at around the seven and a half hour mark.

Due to the nature of how satellites and positioning approximations worked, there was still an enormous area of possibility for where the plane was heading and where it ended up, and that's where we head into the search and attempted recovery of MH370.

So yeah, they use these satellites by Imarsat basically, these handshakes between the plane which happen automatically to ascertain a rough seven handshakes when the plane interface with the satellite automatically. Due to the nature of how GPS positioning works with satellites and because it was only interfacing with one satellite,

The rings, the circumference of the area where the plane could have been connecting to the satellite from is quite substantial, but at least it gives a general direction of where the plane may have been heading. And there's a picture here, a graphic that shows that there are still just an enormous amount of Indian Ocean where the plane could have eventually ended up. It could have been anywhere within those, you know, the red lines, basically. Yeah.

search areas so it show it shows that we were still able to track it somewhat in in terms of general area and remember these tracking signals happened every hour so we know that the plane still traveled for the full seven and a half hours um we just don't know where it eventually ended up

So there's a quote here to end up this initial disappearance section from Malaysian Airlines CEO Ahmed Wahari Yaha.

who says,

So that was the statement that came out pretty much immediately as soon as the news broke and

And then we start the search efforts and further discoveries of, you know, what the investigators would find. Isaiah, would you like to start? Absolutely. So...

With the data they were working with, investigators were left with numerous paths that MH370 could have taken and a large search area. It's pretty undisputed across the board that MH370 most likely turned around the tip of Indonesia to a more southwest route into the Indian Ocean and, due to the final handshake, there's a wide stretch of ocean that is likely to have been the final resting place of the plane as it impacted the water after having run out of fuel.

Koala Lumpar Aeronautical Rescue Coordination Center, or ARCC, was contacted at 5.30 a.m., two hours before the statement to the public was released. A search effort began at the South China Sea, but there were no sightings of the newly missing aircraft.

The initial search radius was only 20 nautical miles. I imagine that's what NM stands for, right? From where it was last known to be. But this was then extended to 100 nautical miles to include the Strait of Malacca, Malaya Peninsula, the Gulf of Thailand, and the waters between Malaysia and Vietnam. It was an international search effort with countries including Vietnam, Singapore, and the United States joining in on the search.

Search area continued to expand and on the 13th of March, Australia and Indonesia joined in and contributed ships and aircraft to help on the search and the US also sent USS Kidd out to search the Indian Ocean.

On the 17th of March, Australia accepted the request from Malaysia to lead the rescue for MH370. Go again, Jackson. Yeah, promoted immediately. And thus Australia took responsibility for the surge in the southern Indian Ocean. Oh no.

The next day, a search area was determined 2,500 kilometers from Perth and 600,000 square kilometers in the area, then reduced on 19th of March to around 305 square kilometers, 2,600 kilometers southwest from Perth. There were 21 aircrafts, 19 ships and underwater crafts in the Australian search efforts.

On the 20th, there was a satellite image received that showed objects possibly related to the missing aircraft. They were looking into the Australian Geospatial Intelligence Organization and deemed credible, but possibly not related to the aircraft. Probably related to UFOs, if I had to guess. Yeah, absolutely. They left behind evidence. That's why they saw something and then was like, actually, we take that back because it was UFOs. We can't release this information. Of course.

Over the next few days, more aircrafts and ships began to aid in the search and rescue mission. By the 24th, Malaysia announced that the search and rescue mission had now become a search and recovery operation. Very depressing. It's a very depressing change of terminology there. That is a sad way to say it, yeah. Um...

Surface searches continued into April, concluding on the 30th with no trace of MH370 at all. On the 5th of May, a meeting between Malaysia, China, and Australia determined that they would commence an underwater search of 60,000 square kilometers. By the 29th of January the following year, Malaysia officially declared MH370 an accident, but the underwater searches continued, with the search area increasing to 120,000 square kilometers. However, nothing was found.

Yeah, it can't be understated how much money was spent over many years trying to search the Indian Ocean for... And, like, it is a massive amount of area that they think the plane may have gone down in. But they still had, like, kind of educated guesses on where it finally ended up due to those last handshakes. So, it wasn't like they were searching the entire Indian Ocean. Yeah. But...

Even those small little areas of the Indian Ocean, which we were fairly confident the plane went down in, were still absolutely monumental in scale. Like, you never... It's just hard to put into perspective just how much... It's the ocean. The ocean is... Perspective of how big the ocean is, it's the ocean. It's the largest thing we have to compare size to other than space. Yeah.

It is literally like finding a needle in the hay. It's worse than that. It's like finding a needle in the ocean, basically. Yeah, there you go. So true. I can keep going for now because that was a short section. Also, this is the part that I'm super invested in. So, recent developments.

The investigations continued well beyond the initial disappearance of the aircraft and its passengers. In July of 2016, a piece of debris was found on Pimba Island in Tanzania. This followed previous discoveries in Mozambique and Reunion Island, contributing to the overall understanding that the plane had indeed crashed in the Indian Ocean. Each piece of debris, including a flapperon found on Reunion Island in 2015, were thoroughly examined and investigated to confirm the point of origin.

Distinctive marks and structural details along with identification material located on the outboard flap link them to Boeing 777.

This evidence supported the theory that the aircraft had disintegrated upon impact with the ocean and pieces had drifted across the Indian Ocean due to the natural currents. Yeah, there was also some very interesting research being done over the last few years analyzing the drift patterns of the ocean at the time to try to ascertain where the parts had come from, which I think was a very novel use of understanding the ocean, and it was very interesting. So this is definitively a piece of the plane found.

Yes, it is without a doubt a piece of the plane. So we know the fate of the plane, sadly. So it seems that the aliens were sloppy with their abduction. They left some remnants behind. Well, they abducted it so hard that it fucking exploded. Oh, you're right. The wings ripped off and the fuselage shot up into the aircraft. I got it, yeah. What they took was only the cabin. They just took all the people out and they just left the plane behind. Of course, that's how efficient they are.

Of course. I think it's so fucking cool though. Not, not aliens, but I think it's so fucking cool that we can go back and look at the drift patterns from fucking 10 years ago. Like just to have all of that data and be able to analyze the drift patterns of the ocean from that far back is so interesting to me.

mentor pilot again i've been quoting mentor pilot a lot but he he made a great point that the way that technology was used in this case is very similar to how we eventually used dna in crime solving like that information all exists existed previously it was the application of the data in that information that would eventually made us put it together yeah exactly it was a it

A lot of the ways we were able to find out what we know about MH370 at the moment were from using information that already existed in very interesting and novel ways that weren't what they were originally designed for. It's some of the smartest stuff humans have done, in my opinion. We're going to get into one of those big smart moments coming up soon, which I was blown away by.

Due to the overwhelming evidence that suggested it was likely that the plane had disintegrated and that recovery was unlikely, the official underwater search for MH370 was finally suspended in January of 2017, about three years after the plane went missing. The search covered 120,000 square kilometers off of the southern Indian Ocean.

To put things into perspective, this search cost millions of dollars and took three years to conduct, but covered only 0.17% of the Indian Ocean. Holy fuck. Ocean big, dude. Ocean big. Isn't the Indian Ocean also one of the smaller oceans? It is. It's the smallest, I believe. Well, no, the Arctic, but second smallest, yeah.

Even though the official search was suspended, researchers continued to analyze data and refine novel search efforts based on developed understandings of drift patterns that were found on the recovered plane components. For example, in August of 2017, a new drift analysis conducted by the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization in Australia suggested that the most likely crash site of MH370 was an area north of the previous search zone.

Fortunately, this meant that the new data suggested that the original search efforts may have missed the debris by a narrow margin. In January of 2018, a private U.S. company named Ocean Infinity picked up the hunt for the missing plane. The new search initiative was conducted with the Malaysian government under a no-fine, no-fee agreement, meaning that the company wouldn't be paid any compensation unless the plane was found.

This new search area covered 112,000 square kilometers, slightly less than the initial search area, and evolved using autonomous underwater vehicles, or AUVs, that were equipped with sonar and high-definition cameras. Despite this additional interest in searching for the missing aircraft, coupled with highly capable and technologically equipped search crews, the search was concluded in May of 2018 without locating the wreckage.

No significant updates or breakthroughs were reported during 2019 to 2020. That doesn't mean that there weren't people working on the search, as researchers continued to refine drift models, which realistically were the only tools available that could lead to further discovery.

Real quick, they're still looking for the black box in this case, right? If I remember correctly, they were still trying to locate like that. That was like their big one that they wanted to find. Oh, yeah, of course. The black box would be, I would assume, one of the most highly sought after pieces of the plane. Like, yeah, you would need that to make any kind of educated analysis of what happened to the plane in the first place. Like that would be.

That would be highly sought after, yeah. Because that would pretty much tell the whole story. The black box on the plane logs everything that happens. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if there's a way for a pilot to wipe that. Maybe there is. No, there's no way. That'd be such a huge oversight if there's just like a delete button on it. No shot. I don't know. I guess we'll... I don't know. I don't know for sure. I'm not going to comment on it either way.

In December of 2021, British aeronautical engineer Richard Godfrey made headlines when he... That's the most British name ever. When he claimed that he had identified the possible crash site of MH370 using a different approach. He claimed that he had utilized weak signal propagation reporter technology to determine... Whisper technology. It's called Whisper. Whisper technology. It's called Whisper. That's pretty cool. Okay.

I was going to say Wasper, but Whisper would be more accurate. Waspers suck. Whisper's cooler. Yeah. Do you call them... I know this is sidetracked. Do you call them Waspers ever?

down there or is that that's i think it's just an appalachian thing wait you call them waspas it's old timers do around here they call them waspers wow that's a terrible word for them that's stupid it's longer than just calling them wasps it's it's it's old people who call them waspers you know smack them away don't let them on your ice cream whatever

No, we don't call them that down here. All right.

Due to this technology having a massive index of already established information of signals from across signal renders and receivers dating back as early as 2008 and signals across thousands of different sources being added every two minutes, there was room here for a novel analysis of the information that may have shown signals scattering at certain locations that the Boeing 777 may have passed through at the time.

Wait, so hold on. This absolutely blew my fucking mind when I read that. Hold on, hold on, hold on. He's talking about weak signal propagation reporters. So, like, radio waves? Exactly. It's the analysis of radio waves across a massive amount of distance. And basically, what...

What it is, is, uh, like radio enthusiasts would upload, uh,

like these radio waves into a database and they would use it to kind of like find where the strength is the best to, to like adjust their device. So just their own receivers, transceivers, stuff like that. Yeah. So it was, it was a tool used to just kind of analyze, you know, weak signals and how, how they propagate over large distances as the name would imply. It was never, never in,

intended to be used as a way to like locate things at all really but the fact that these signals kind of show uh they kind of like disperse and scatter when large objects move through them they were able to actually identify when that happened at that time in the area to locate a path that a plane may have taken through that area

It is actually an incredible use of a technology that was... I'm getting giddy just thinking about it. Like, there's a picture here that shows kind of like the propagation of the signals, kind of like an infographic provided by Mentor Pilot that shows what that may have looked like as a very rough...

a rough image, but basically there's another picture here of like a database of all these signals being uploaded over time. And they've created an algorithm to basically track the area at that time and show when signals were impacted. So basically, so basically you have all these radio signals that constantly go everywhere and they're taking logs from the day of the crash to see where radio signals got worse. Yeah.

Exactly. Basically where they're scattered off of hitting the flight. Yeah. Wow. How absolutely fucking mind-blowing incredible is that? That's absolutely ridiculous. You just use regular radio signals to see when a plane passed through them. Man. It's mind-blowing. Mind-blowing stuff. Yeah. The fact that we have that... The fact there's that level of data...

of what specific areas of the world's radio strength was 10 years ago. You know? Yeah. That's absurd. Wouldn't have been able to happen without the internet as well. It just shows how much the internet has enabled. I mean, like, information now is more readily available and transferable than humans ever thought capable. It's absurd.

So yeah, also there's a few more pictures and for people listening at home, I'll describe these pictures. But basically what it is, it's a comparison between the Whisper

projected pathing of the plane and what the initial radar images showed. So they were able to match it up fairly closely with what the radar showed. That second picture looks pretty sporadic. The full whisper track, you know? Yeah. The one underneath that with the figure eight looks fucking ballistic.

Well, yeah, we'll get into that in a second. Oh, yeah, what the heck? Oh, I didn't even see that. Okay. We'll get into that in a second. But yeah, that initial photo showing the pathing down into the Indian Ocean, which is not something that would have been able to be achieved by radar, again, because there was no radar in the area. So the fact that we were able to see, using the WSPR technology, the kind of pathing that the plane may have taken down into the Indian Ocean, and you see in that, it's a very wobbly path.

And that's likely because the pilot, let's say the pilot operating the aircraft at the time, was manually avoiding areas of high air traffic so as not to be detected, basically. All right.

Richard Goffrey claims that he was able to create detailed reconstruction of the aircraft's path using the anomalies in the Whisper data. He provided specific coordinates 33 by 33.177 degrees south, 95.3 degrees east as the final resting place of the flight, which is just west of Perth, Australia.

While experts did show interest in the information and methodology provided by Richard, they were hesitant to conduct an expensive search based on unproven science, so the claims have thus far gone unexplored. There was something additional that appeared in the whisper data, however. It showed that between the sixth and seventh handshake, the flight started to fly in a tight figure-eight pattern.

At the time, MH370 would have been running very low on fuel. This would have been an impossible action to perform by an autopilot as the rudder composite is designed to compensate for the asymmetric thrust after an engine failure, so it is another maneuver that would have had to been flown manually. That whole sentence made me feel all warm inside. Ha ha ha ha.

Mid-tour pilot has suggested the theory that this was done so that whoever was piloting the plane was able to check to see if any boats were in the area as they clearly had wanted the plane and crash to be undiscoverable.

Yeah, so the fact that they were doing that figure eight there means that the wing had to tip down, obviously, so that the pilot could get a better view of the ocean at the time. And he would have been flying at a fairly low altitude at this point, as shown by other signals that they analyzed, basically. So the fact that he was tipping the wings to kind of check the horizon and stuff indicates to me and mentor pilot, I guess, that he was trying to

ascertain if this was going to truly be a private event basically something that would be impossible for people to discover i just don't see still though like i don't see why if he's going to do this what why would he like why would he just try and hide it to the best of his ability like obviously he'd know the plane would be reported missing and obviously like they'd eventually assume that it crashed what's the point in trying to like hide all of it

Well, it would depend on motivation, which we don't know because we don't even know who did it right. I can't even think of it. If he was suicidal, like that pilot that crashed into the mountain, that's one thing. But this doesn't seem like it's an elaborate suicide. It's unlikely. It's unlikely. Yeah.

I'm not sure. I mean, I can't find rationality in, you know, in the events in general, basically, if someone took over the plane and took it in this direction. Yeah, I mean, I can't either, to be fair. It's just I don't understand why they would go through all the effort of even checking the fucking horizon to see if there's any boats that could find the crash site. That just seems like such an absurd amount of effort to put into making this like a mysterious circumstance around this crash that they're planning.

Mentor Pilot also commented on the fact that he...

struggled to understand why the pilot was even manually, you know, flying the plane all the way down into this location for seven hours. Um, and then, and doing these figure eights down towards the seventh handshake. And he also, uh, like he said, basically like, um, if, if it was purely just a, something of suicidal intent, like why wouldn't he just, you know, immediately just crash straight into the ocean initially. Um,

Um, but he also came to the kind of conclusion that the fact that this figure eight happened indicated to him that it was someone who, who wanted it to be undiscoverable. Yeah. So I don't, we don't know why though. Yeah. It's impossible to know why at this point in time. Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

I was just saying at this point of time, I mean, there could be stuff in the whisper data that shows intent somehow. I don't know. I don't know how the technology is going to be. The flight pattern drew out. I am demanding a ransom of $200,000. Yeah. Imagine it's spelled something out.

Maybe the figure eight was just trying to avoid the aliens. Yeah, what if it spells something out and it's just like the Earth's flat or something? It'd be slightly less disappointing. At various times over 2022 and 2023, the Malaysian... It spells out the rule of two. There can only be one. There can only be one.

The Malaysia government reaffirmed that they were still committed to discovering the crash site of the aircraft and recovering what they could. Malaysia's Transport Minister Anthony Loke stated in 2022, The government is steadfast in our resolve to locate MH370. We really hope the search can find the plane and provide truth to the next of kin.

However, the government still gestured that the willingness to reopen the surge was contingent on having solid leads. These statements were broadly made surrounding various proposals by private companies like Ocean Infinity who had expressed further readiness and willingness for new searches. The Malaysian government was hesitant to approve further searches because they were deemed expensive and unlikely to result in any groundbreaking discoveries due to the nature of how long it had been since the initial crash and how large the Indian Ocean is.

Yeah, I mean, they already knew that it crashed, so it's a pretty hard thing to, like, spend, you know, tens of millions. Yeah, they know it's in there somewhere. Hundreds of millions of dollars. Yeah. Yeah, honestly, it's not guaranteed to actually provide any fruitful, you know, outcome. In March of 2024, Malaysian officials announced the potential resumption of the search for MH370, encouraged by repeated proposals from Ocean Infinity. They just wouldn't shut up. They wouldn't stop yapping. Just constant proposals.

The company had claimed that they have made a significant technological improvement since their 2018 search, and they've proposed a new no-fine, no-fee search in the southern Indian Ocean. Transporter Minister Anthony Loke stated, most recently, that the government was seriously considering the proposal and would seek cabinet approval to proceed. This remains the most recent development of the MH370 mystery, but the core consensus still prominently appears to be that the plane crashed in the Indian Ocean and disintegrated upon impact.

The why and how is still unknown. While there have been numerous theories about the cause of the crash, including hijacking, pilot intervention, technical failure, and more, no conclusive evidence has emerged to definitively explain what happened and why. Without the main wreckage or black box, these remain speculative.

Yeah, I mean, again, everything I've said personally is still speculation to some degree. I think it's at least built on the back of what we know about the events, but it is still speculative. And until we have the black box and until we are able to investigate the wreckage of

It's impossible to know, you know, definitively what happened and why, which is sad. I hope, I really do hope the Malaysian government does go ahead with this and they do kind of use the whisper data because I really think it's probably the most credible source of information about where the plane may have ended up. But also what I'm confused about is if it's been 10 years now and the ocean drifts around, would the plane still be in the same spot that it crashed in?

Well, I think so, right? Because like with the Titanic, it's still in the same spot and that's had over 100 years worth of changing in drift patterns. The fuselage would, I think. Yeah, so I think there'd still be like very crucial parts of the plane that would. Like, I imagine the black box is designed to like not move with ocean currents. Oh yeah, true. Maybe, yeah. Yeah, things like that are probably still in the exact same crash spot.

Okay, well, I really hope that Malaysian government approves the search and we do find the black box because this is absolutely a mystery that I want to see the conclusion to of in my lifetime. It is so grossing. Yeah, completely agreed. I've also made so many assumptions about black boxes now that you can't delete the information that they don't move with drift patterns and shit.

We're going to find out today. It's like a giant brick of obsidian that just sinks straight down to the ocean and you can't touch it. That's what I picture in my head. That's legitimately what I picture. We're going to research it afterwards and find out that as soon as it touches water, it wipes all the data and it is incredibly movable somehow. They played us like a fiddle.

Charlie, do you want to wrap us up by going into the most prominent crash theories? Yeah, sure. I'll take the theories. So the first one that we've kind of discussed a little bit is the hijacking theory. So one of the most believable theories is that the plane was hijacked by passengers for reasons unable to be determined. Deliberate shutdown of the plane's transponder and other communication systems are consistent with hijacking scenarios in general.

Alongside that, the flight deviations and sharp turns are generally something you would see in a hijacking scenario, as hijackers take control of the aircraft to deviate its path towards their goal.

Beyond that, two Iranian passengers boarded the plane using stolen passports. Interpol later determined that the passengers were likely seeking asylum, had no terrorist connections, and Malaysian officials corroborated this reporting by Interpol. Passengers using stolen passports is surprisingly not uncommon. Interpol keeps a database of 40 million passports from 167 countries that have been reported stolen since 2002, meaning there's a large number of people in the world with illegitimate passports.

That doesn't necessarily mean that this wasn't the reason for the crash. However, as the plane hijackings are decreasing in the last few decades, they do still happen. In 2021, three aircraft hijackings were reported. No terrorist organization claimed responsibility, which is unusual in hijacking scenarios. Beyond that, extensive investigations found no solid evidence that linked any passengers or crew to a hijacking plot.

However, hijacking of some sort is most congruent theory that makes sense of all of the irregular steering. MH370 didn't continue on autopilot until it ran out of fuel, which is what typically happens in a depressurization event. Hijacking is the only plausible explanation for the course deviation. I also think it's worth noting that hijackers would also need to be extremely familiar with the aircraft to do those things unless they forced the pilot to do it.

And I feel like if the pilot was forced to do it, he probably would have been able to relay something because like the hijackers wouldn't know if he actually turned everything off. Like he'd be able to keep things on. The reason why I lean towards more of the pilot is because everything that happened showed a level of mechanical understanding of the plane that would only come from thousands of years, thousands of hours of, you know, flight experience and flight training. And he was definitely extremely knowledgeable about the

the planes that he was flying because he was a trainer. If the hijackers had like gun to his head forcing him to do all of that I really feel like they wouldn't know if he kept some of the systems on to keep reporting shit right like it'd be very odd if he really did just like turn everything off like to meet their demands when they wouldn't know any better. I don't think they would have demanded that everything be you know turned off like that they wouldn't have known what that even meant.

So then the other theory, which seems to be the one Jackson's leaning most hard into, is the pilot-conducted crash theory. Early into the investigation of the pilots, it was discovered that Captain Zahari Ahmad Shah's personal home flight simulator contained a route to the southern Indian Ocean that he had flown just a month prior to the disappearance.

The simulated path route closely resembled the path that MH370 is suspected to have diverted onto. This led to the widespread belief that Sahari may have been practicing for the deviation and eventual hijacking of the flight.

The sharp turns the flight took to deviate onto the new route indicated to investigators that there was some level of deliberate action by someone at control of the plane. Once the information about Sahari's flight simulator route was discovered, investigators began to explore the potential motives for the actions that Sahari hypothetically took.

Through interviews, investigators discovered that Zahari was facing marital problems at the time. Specifically, his wife had reportedly told him that she was leaving their marriage shortly before the plane's disappearance. It was also discovered that Zahari was a supporter of the Malaysian opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim, who had been sentenced to jail on sodomy charges in a contentious trial that was thought by many to have been politically orchestrated to prevent Anwar from contesting a state by election that he was expected to win.

His sentencing had been announced to the public just hours before the flight departed. Some suggest that this, along with his marital troubles at the time, may have driven him to have been suicidal at this time. Some also suggested that the pilot may have hijacked the plane and begun negotiations with the Malaysian government, which went poorly, and this is why the Malaysian government has handled the search and investigation poorly, is they didn't want this investigation out to the media. I think that one's kind of silly, because if that was the case, he probably would have wanted to make it a very public conversation,

crash of the plane exactly yeah he wouldn't try and hide that i think that one holds no like real way i think it's as i said here i think it's that that addition to it is a very conspiratorial one in nature that i don't subscribe to the idea of yeah that that one to me seems like a yeah i'm leaving

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to yell at you. I apologize. I didn't mean to scream at you. I'm about to go right now. I gotta go take the dog. But my final theory is aliens did it and also the rule of two. That makes sense. Okay, cool. Love you all. Bye. Isaiah's gonna go to take his dog to the vet. We'll see you next time. However, there's nothing to suggest this final edition. It's pretty conspiratorial.

Even with the context and potential motivations, the investigation did not find conclusive evidence of premeditated action on the part of either of the pilots. The Malaysian government's final report stated that there was no definitive evidence that either pilot was suicidal or had the intention to commit mass murder. Friends and family also supplied descriptions of Zahari as an affable, helpful family man who enjoyed making instructional YouTube videos for DIY projects.

The report stated that there was no evidence of abnormal behavior or stress in the two pilots that it could have led them to hijack the plane, though it still remains a potential reason to explain the plane's disappearance. Some pilots, such as mentor pilot and investigators, have noticed that ATC recordings between air traffic control and Zahari indicated Zahari may have been stressed well before reaching the Agari waypoint, and as such, posit the idea that Zahari had taken over the plane before the plane reached that waypoint.

This is due to the voice intonations found naturally in Zahari's voice in the recording. Yeah, when we talked about it before, I'll ask the editor to put the two examples of voice calls because there's a call that he makes to the ATC at the start of the flight and then a call seven minutes later or whatever. And there is a clear difference to me at least where...

where one call is quite calm and the other he definitely sounds more stressed than he was seven minutes ago. So I'm going to put that in the video at that point and I'll probably put it in the video at this point as well so you can hear the difference.

There's certainly a history of national safety boards refusing to believe that their pilots could have intentionally downed their own planes. For example, after Egypt Air 990 crashed in Martha's Vineyard in 1999, Egyptian officials wholly rejected the U.S. NTSB, National Transport Safety Board, report that found the pilot had intentionally crashed the plane into the sea.

Closer to Malaysia, Indonesian officials also rejected an NTSB finding that found the 1997 crash of Silk Air 185 was also caused by the pilot intentionally.

However, for the flight simulator evidence, which is seen as the smoking gun in this theory, it's not all uncommon for pilots to have various training routes in their home flight simulators. In fact, it's common. It would also make sense for Zahari to have deviations or alterations of routes he flies professionally as practice. It should also be noted that the flight paths that the flight eventually took and the flight path that is recorded on the flight simulator aren't one-to-one, but they do display that Zahari was intimately knowledgeable about the area.

Due to the plane staying exactly at the edge of airspace at every turn, it's believed that the plane still had a pilot at control, not autopilot, and additionally, a pilot that was knowledgeable of the area, not just the simple hijacking. In Jackson's opinion... Yeah, wait, wait, wait. I could take that one. Yeah, Jackson's here.

So, yeah, I ended up the document by saying, in my opinion, the most likely theory is that Zahari Ahmed Shah took control of the plane and diverted it onto its final path before crashing it into the ocean, killing all on board. This

This is due, my thought process was due to the irregular pathing, the stress in the pilot's voice, the transponder appearing to have been toggled off instead of failing, routing that an autopilot was unable to have accomplished when tested by Boeing themselves, evidence of depressurization due to no text or attempted calls while still having a pilot handling the plane, and the fact that there appeared to be some level of premeditation with the flight simulator routing found at his home address.

While some or most of these points aren't individually incriminating, it does suddenly build up as a somewhat damning overall picture when collected together like that.

So I do think it's the most likely theory given that there isn't any evidence showing that there was a mechanical or electrical failure. Like if there was like an onboard fire caused by the lithium, the lithium kind of burning, you know, as some people speculate. I don't think that the plane would have continued on that kind of trajectory for seven hours in that kind of pathing that it took. I think it would have crashed much earlier.

Yeah, I think so too. I don't know enough about planes, but it seems highly unlikely that it would start making a fucking figure eight, assuming the whisper date is accurate. Like it's just, that's very...

outrageous to even assume. So while you don't necessarily subscribe to the idea that it's a pilot, you do kind of agree that it was some level of hijacking? Yeah, I just don't really understand. I still can't quite figure out if this was all part of his unaliving

why he would go through all of this effort to hide it to the best of his ability. And especially when you take into consideration that the co-pilot Farik's phone did ping, why would he turn on his phone? If Zahari had taken over the plane super early into their flight, like I imagine Farik would have fought back, right? You would think he's like, okay, something's fucked up. Like, I don't think. Okay. So in that situation, I think that, uh,

They're both strapped into their chairs. The main pilot, sorry, I've forgotten his name, my memory. Zahari. So the main pilot has initiated the depressurization event by toggling the outbound valves. It wouldn't affect his co-pilot though. No, it wouldn't. But the co-pilot would need to stay in his seat and attached to his oxygen mask at that point. Mm-hmm.

And so that's, I think that's when he would have likely, the communication system was down so he couldn't contact anyone. And obviously without being in control of the plane, with his other pilot being at control of the plane, he would have been scared of, you know, further angering him, let's say, and causing him to just plummet the plane immediately. I think his only course of action was to try to contact someone via his phone. I do.

Like he was in no option to fight back, really. I don't know, man. Like, yeah, I guess. So in the flight simulator that I was in, all of the stuff is overhead. So turning on and off all the shit is overhead. I guess you can't really discreetly turn it back on. But like he would have seen Zahari turn it off before the depressurization event. Are you saying like depressurization event happens and that's when he turns everything off?

I think it all happened in fairly close proximity. And I think there are theories. I think if I was him, the pilot, then...

I would have done it while the copilot was maybe, you know, in the toilet or something like that or otherwise predisposed. Like, he could have given him a task to do something like check the checklist and stuff while he wouldn't notice that the pilot, Zahari, was, you know, flipping switches and disabling the systems, perhaps. Yeah, that's true, I guess. He could have, like, had the copilot go do something else to get him out of there, I suppose. That's...

That's very like movie plot-esque, like, hey, go check the shitter. It's full. Go do something about that to get him out of there. But it is certainly possible, I guess. It's possible. And with someone... With the events that took place, it showed definitely some level of premeditation and extreme planning, especially if the...

The route was found on a flight simulator that was deleted a month ago and flown a month ago. By the way, I didn't mention it, but it was deleted from the flight simulator and they had to recover it using computer analysis, which again shows some level of premeditation to me if he tried to delete the evidence that he had flown this route. Yeah, the more that you mention those kind of things, the more clear it becomes to me that it had to be Zahari, I would think.

Like that's, that's way too suspicious, but I just cannot understand the mindset. If this was, yeah, if this was the plan from the start, why would he go through the extraordinary amount of effort of riding that plane out till it was out of fuel and crashing it in the middle of fucking nowhere to ensure no one could find it, that it would try and be a mystery. Yeah.

I don't know. It just doesn't... Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't understand the mindset of a person with unaliving on his mind or irrational things on his mind. It's more than that, though. It's mass murder. So it's more than just the unaliving. He's committing a mass murder. But it's not like mass aliving... You know, mass... Sorry. Aliving events sometimes don't involve mass murder. Like, this has happened before. And it will happen again. It has.

But it is peculiar that he was driven to do it in a way that

tried to make it as mysterious as possible basically without any kind of answers yeah i guess he just didn't want people to know yeah maybe it was some level of control he was trying to exert over you know his legacy maybe or you know some kind of control over the situation i don't know i don't know why he why he did it that way or again even if he did do it you know speculation all speculation and this is why i really hope we find the black box eventually

Yeah, it'd be fucking horrible to have people believe that he did this on purpose when maybe he did his absolute best to prevent whatever was going on there. Yeah, definitely. There's just no way of knowing. Yeah. So, again, speculation. Not completely true. Yeah, but it...

The evidence to me suggests that, and that's kind of what I believe. That is what it sounds like. I agree. Bunch of other theories out there. Again, we've got aliens, we've got teleportation, we've got the lithium ions. I could have been here. This could have been a 60-page document if we went over every theory. I wanted to try to stick to the most

and fact-based. The ones with the most credence to them, basically. So those are the ones I went with. But yeah, that's it for MH370. Just an incredibly interesting case. I absolutely loved looking into this one. It was fantastic. Really interesting. Well, it's fantastic. I mean, it's a tragic case. Tragic event, obviously. Yeah, but it was very fascinating. Just seeing how... Mostly just seeing how the technology was used to figure out things when...

when there was just no way previously to discover this kind of information and it's just science is incredible when it's used utilized in this capacity just really fucking cool yeah it was very impressive but again like you said very tragic event and very sad i really hope that the plane is found so that the families of the lost ones uh finally get their closure and i really hope that

Mentor Pilots video, which is doing fantastic, kind of spurs movement on the search and they get back into trying to locate the plane in these new hotspots that have been found by the Whisper data. Do you have any final thoughts?

No final thoughts on my end. Okay, well, that's going to do it for this episode of Red Thread. Thank you very much for all of you for joining us for this one. Really appreciate it, as per usual. Really appreciate you guys rating it on your platform of choice. If you enjoyed the episode, feel free to share it around with friends and family. Let them know that they too can speculate about what happened to MH370 and find out everything that's happened.

kind of happened in the last 10 years around the case i think i think uh it's it's good for that at least the episode's good for that it's pretty comprehensive uh thank you very much for listening really appreciate it um yeah that's gonna do it for this episode of red thread we'll see you next time bye everyone thank you bye