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Is this thing on? Bonnie, who used to be a former sex worker, now hosts the podcast Dumb Blonde. Most little girls grow up wanting to be doctors and lawyers and shit. And I was like, I want to be super hot, make a lot of fucking money and be a rock star's wife. That was my goal as a child. And here we are. What's up, you sexy motherfuckers? Welcome to another podcast. Today...

I have the enigma, the social media enigma, the queen of queens. Hi. Jeffree Star, baby. Thank you for having me. Dude, this has been a long time coming. It really has. I'm so happy you're here. Thank you for having me.

Who the fuck would have known that Montana would bring us together? I know. So we're literally in Bozeman, Montana. We're backstage. In a locker room. We are. We're in a locker room. The glory holes are behind me. And we are meeting for the first time today. We've been talking all year. Yes. And life finally brought us together. So thank you for having me. And it's crazy because we did have a mutual friend who just passed away. Daniel. And he fucking loved you so much, dude. He told me that you met him.

and I like and hung out with him for so long and I never met you so I never crazy to me I never got to meet Daniel what we were literally online friends for like 10 years oh my god I thought you guys partied in Vegas back in the day as well nope nope nope just what we grew up around the same circle he had the same friends I did like we never got to actually meet but we literally talked all the time online like it was crazy I just loved that I loved him dude he was just such a good soul

- One of a kind, honestly. - Yeah. So I just feel like this was like Daniel's doing possibly like pushing us together. - That's beautiful. - I have seen so many podcasts of you and I feel like- - Did you notice how I was like silent for a long time and then I just, it was like, you know what? It's time to talk. - What brought that on? - I think during 2020 and like during the pandemic,

I had such a crazy trajectory and then the pandemic and so much online drama like exploded. Yeah. So I moved to Wyoming. I went to therapy. I really worked on myself. And I was like, you know what? I want to share that journey. Not just all the dramatic, chaotic,

you know, shit and just makeup stuff only. I wanted to share how I healed. I love that. Let people see like who I am now, you know? So I started doing podcasts. The growth is amazing. And thank you. And a lot of males fixate on sex every time I'm on their podcast. Every time. We all know I'm never going to fully kiss and tell. I love that about you because I'm the same way. I was a hooker in Vegas. Period. So I'm never going to kiss and tell the celebrities that fucking. What do you get when you put two escorts together? Yeah.

Jeffrey and Bunny. So a lot of people don't know that I used to be the queen of Craigslist in L.A. Yes. I used to make so much money during the MySpace era. Oh, yeah, for sure. And then. So when you say queen of Craigslist, you mean like putting like ads on there and stuff or like to do. Yeah. And I and I recently found some old ads in my old account. I love because I am writing an autobiography. Finally, that's brave because Craigslist and Backpage, man, you literally like. Oh, I miss Backpage. Right.

You were literally risking your life to be on those. I did Eros. I was an Eros girl. So I literally would post my ads and then, you know, screen them. And then sometimes I would work for the services in Vegas and stuff like that. But networking, we're in big cities. So it's like people think like they think we're like at the street corner with no teeth, with no thumb out. There's levels to this shit. Levels. I try to explain that to people all

the time and nobody gets it. And then you start networking and meeting people. So I'm this broke kid. I moved out at 17. I was like, fuck you to my mother. Let's rewind that really quick. Let's rewind it. Then we'll get to the head and the bottoming. So I want to rewind it back because you remind me so much of myself. We have been through a lot of shit. We mask it with dirty jokes and humor and humor, very dark humor. And you know,

going through the stuff that you've gone through, I don't, I'm pretty sure, you know, half of my following probably does know your story, but I'm sure the other half doesn't. And I think that that really is an epic part of your journey because it's showing overcoming.

Yes. We're survivors. Yeah, exactly. Yes, for sure. So growing up, you grew up in? Orange County, California. So I'm from Huntington Beach, 714. And it was really boring growing up. Like it was just everyone was like surfing and skating and I just never really felt

like I fit in. I was very punk rock. I had, I was the first person to have like pink hair dye at my school. And I just tried to break all the barriers without really knowing it. I was just like, well, I'm going to be me and I'm going to be myself. Um, and for some reason I got over the part where you care what other people think at an early age, at an early age, I think is my childhood was so chaotic. My parents were drunk my whole life. Um,

and that so people don't know this well some people do but i've never tried alcohol right and i think people sometimes have a hard time believing that because you know we all we always used to post pictures with stuff right so there's photos of me with like a whiskey bottle i'm like yeah it's all for show sponsorships it's literally all for show

So, you know, people always dig things out of the ashes, but I've never tried alcohol. I never will. My dad died when I was five. So he drank himself to death. He killed himself and he was just really miserable. And did he commit suicide or did he die from cirrhosis? It's like a it's like a tricky line. Right. But suicide. Right. Yeah. So he was like on the brink and was like, OK, I'm finally done. So the last time I remember seeing him, his skin was yellow. His eyebrows were falling out.

He looked horrific and he grabbed me by the arm and I was five and a half. And he was like, please don't ever drink. Like it's ruined our family. And that was my last memory of my dad. That was his blessing to you. Yeah. It was wild. Yeah. So my mom spiraled and obviously got worse. Right. So she would,

drink, recycle the beer cans to get more alcohol and just had a string of really annoying boyfriends. No one ever like abusive or crazy, but just always fighting. She never fell in love again. She was literally in love with my dad and it didn't work out because he couldn't stop drinking. That was what ruined the marriage. What?

when you're five years old and your father passes away, how are you feeling? Like, do you remember any of it? I do. I remember my mom telling me like a week or two after I saw him, she took me to the same park and she goes, Hey, like she tried to explain to me, like my dad died. And she always likes to say this. I literally like blinked immediately, put all the trauma away and was like, okay, um, can we get some more ice cream? So,

So you knew just growing up in chaos that it was better to just push it down instead of react. Yes. It had, which was horrible for me later when all the like emotions and traumas and demons were coming out and I'm in high school, my whole body's the cutting board. Yeah. I'm like fully. And like I see, you know, secret one, not like I want attention. Like, you know, it's, I feel like back in the day, mental health was not talking about it. Like how it is. Yeah. And cookie cutter, orange County, no one was talking about feelings. Right.

It's like, get the fuck over it. You know, everyone's, all the husbands are cheating on the wives, all the, you know, everyone's getting beat. All these crazy things are happening and it's just swept under the rug. And it's like the row housewives of orange County. Absolutely. Yeah, no, it really is. The West coast is a different beast. People don't understand that unless you've grown up on the West coast. It's,

completely different way of thinking and way of living as like, you know, fucking Montana or fucking Wyoming. So I didn't untrain this behavior until probably like six years ago. When you were cutting, was that your way of just kind of like relieving the pain? And did your mom know? She didn't know for years. And then I slipped up and got comfortable and she saw it for the first time. Was it on your arms? Is that why? Oh.

It was everywhere. But I would wear like heavy clothes all the time. It would be 90 degrees, but I was gothic and my style was very punk rock. So no one ever questioned it. Yeah. You know, it would be like I would I had photography class and I would go in the dark room and cut my legs and then come back out. And no one ever knew like crazy stuff like that. You're just hurting so bad. Yeah. So I felt like it helped me feel a little bit because I felt so numb and like dead inside. But I never wanted to.

kill myself. Right. I never had thoughts. Well, because your dad passed away that way. So possibly that was like, so I never had the thoughts of like, I want to end my life, but I was doing it to just feel something. Right. I understand that. And then it became like an addiction. Well, you get addicted to the pain because it's the only time that you actually, it was really fucked up as I was also addicted to the watching it heal. Wow. It was like, yeah. Yeah.

Hi, nice to meet you. Don't start joking. No, yeah, it was really like, yeah, it was that serious. That's so much trauma to go through at such a young age. When did you start cutting? I would say like ninth grade. And then I stopped when I graduated high school and I broke away. But my mom did catch me. So we're in this little apartment and she always made me do chores. Single mother, only child. And I'm a Scorpio.

It's a lot there. I think you might have a lot of Capricorn placements. Cap and Sag. A lot of Sag. I want to do your birth chart. Have you done your birth chart? What is it? It's stunning. I'll show you later. He's like, I'm not showing anybody online. Oh my God. That's stunning. So she caught me when I was doing the dishes. She always made me do chores and clean the bathroom and have manners and la la la. And I was a straight A student. She said, you can look however you want, do whatever you want, dye your hair pink, red, black, do extensions. I shaved off my eyebrows in 10th grade. No one was doing that. At all? It was like,

horror and shock. Right. And like a pioneer of sorts. It was crazy. And she caught me one day when I was doing the dishes and I wasn't wearing long sleeves and she came home from work early. And when you've been doing it for so long, you're

So she caught me and she saw the side of the arm. I'll never forget it. What did she say? I mean, you know, most parents don't fully know how to articulate it because they immediately go to he wants to die. And it's like, you know, and she is a fucking train wreck. So you are bitch. You're my mom. Trust me. I get it. Yeah. So it was rough and we never gelled. So I'm 17 and a half. I graduate high school early.

I'm out. I'm going to LA. And by then I had been going to a lot of shows. I was 17 with the fake ID, going to the Key Club, the whiskey on Sunset. - I had a fake ID too. I was at the Rio and fucking Pinkies and all that shit out in Vegas. - Yes, and I would wear so much makeup. No one really knew how old I, like they couldn't tell if I was 16 or 30, you know?

Let's dial it back real quick before you left home because wasn't one of your first sexual experiences at 12? Yeah. I mean, how do you even know to have sex at 12? Oh my God. I don't know. It just naturally happened. And I think boys are really curious, but men don't like to talk about this stuff. Right. So when you're in like ninth, this is eighth grade for me. Right. So let's dial it back to eighth grade. Right.

me and this guy Jeff and the football team and a foreign exchange student. Not another Jeff. Yeah. So the first guy I ever blew had the same name as me. Wow. Life. So you were already feeling that you were into boys at a young age. Yeah, so eighth grade was the first experience.

Fifth grade was when I was like, oh, like, okay, girls are attractive, but I'm more attracted to men. Gotcha. And yes, I've slept with both. I love everyone, but I prefer men. Yeah. But I love everyone. I loved boys and makeup. Boy George was my first crush. Hate it.

Love boy George, but I am NOT attracted to men in makeup. Really don't like femininity. I like a man So if someone looked like me, it's the biggest turnoff, right? Well, yeah Somebody who look like me either so I get it. Yeah, it's a glam boys I'm not into femininity, but I love a bad bitch like you're fucking hot. I love you, but I don't like a guy makeup. Oh

Right. But you know what? My dad was a musician and he had long black hair and he played in the band and he had, you know, so I've always been attracted to the emo boys, you know, the Chris Motionless. Yep. He was just in Wyoming.

- Yeah. - Shit like that, so. - I know. - I can't. We're talking about that later. - We can, but we'll have to bleep his name out. - And I liked more of the no eyeliner, like nice body tattoos, whatever. - Yeah, absolutely. Like sports guys, right? Or no? - Nowadays. - Or just like country boys. - But in the Warped Tour days, it was like country boys and like scene boys. - I love that. - The MySpace, you know. - Yeah. - Oh my God. - So dial him back. - Give me flashbacks. I'm in heat. We're in eighth grade, I'm ready to swallow. - Fifth grade.

Okay. Fifth grade, you were already attracted to boys. And then eighth grade, you were even Jeff. And I already looked different, where in fifth grade was the first time I was called a gay lord and a faggot. Aw. Oh, yeah. Really? Oh, absolutely. Really?

It was this era of 90s where like the guys wanted to be like gangster and wear baggy flannel and these huge Tommy Hilfiger. All I dated was gangsters. And I was more like little button up Boy Scout, like tight cut military haircut. My grandparents raised me while my mom was getting sober. So she got sober when I was in high school. Finally. Oh, good. Thank God. And she's been sober since. Yay, mom. Congratulations to her. 23 years. Let's go. Let's fucking go. But yeah, it was...

So 12 years old, you and Jeff hook up and it turned into a threesome, right? Yeah. So my first like real experience with a guy was with two guys. Okay. Gotcha. And while I've been writing my book, I've been told by the guy that's writing with me, which by the way, I love Neil Strauss. He's a genius. Don't fuck around. Like he definitely let me analyze myself very deeply with this. And he's like, everything you do without you knowing it is extreme. And I was like, huh? And

and that hit me hard in a good way yeah but it's just like everything i do like oh i bought some land now it's the biggest yak ranch in america and i'm in seven restaurants i can't just like let things be right well you came from nothing and i'm literally i'm a money hoarder literally i have

so much shit around. Like it's crazy. Once you, when you come from nothing, you want everything. You're never happy. We both turned dirt into diamonds. Literally. And you're never happy. Like once you reach one goal, it's the next goal. It's the next goal. It's the next goal. Okay, good. You understand. Yeah, no, totally. I have a lot of Capricorn in me though too. So I'm like, I never give up. I'm literally just always going. So moving on after your first threesome, um,

Take me on that journey. You're 17. You are leaving home. You're going. I literally got a U-Haul. And I always had older friends, of course. I hated immature little kids. Same. I was the same way. That's it. So they rented me a U-Haul. We pulled up.

I said, "Bye, mom. I'm out." - And she just let you go? - Yeah. - Yeah. - I mean, what was she going to do? But it was good. It was really good. But I had to grow up quick. - Right. Especially on the streets of Hollywood. - Yes. So my birthday is in November. So then I turn, school's over in June, July. So I'm doing like little freelance makeup jobs, barely making it by, and I'm sleeping on someone's couch.

She works at Mac makeup. She was like, you're 18 now. Like you need to work at Mac. Your, your makeup's so fierce. Like, hello. And she was way older than me. So she got me,

the inn and obviously I sold myself my first job. So my first job ever was at Mac Cosmetics and now I'm their competitor. Yeah, literally. You went in there, took all their tips and tricks. I'm a Mac alumni. I have Ruby Woo lipstick tattooed on my arm. I'm a Mac alumni forever. And I still wear their powder. I love it. I could totally picture you being at Mac too. Yeah, highest seller. I bet. But then it already started. Everyone already, you know, the jealousy, the craziness, the...

And then I learned the industry was really catty. It wasn't about the artistry. It was all very competitive and LA was like very cutthroat. And back then there wasn't a million makeup artists like there is now. Right. There was no technology, no phone. No one could even process that. We barely just started having phones. Right. Right. So there's no beepers and shit. Yeah. When I look down, I'm looking at my list of notes that I have. And yeah,

What were we just saying? You were talking about Mac. Come on, hybrid and indica. He's like squirrel. You were talking about Mac. Baby. And everybody's being a fucking hater. We were freelancing. We were going to different locations. And I always had the top sales. It was really fun. And.

And as you meet people in the stores, customers, you start networking. So from day one, my online journey and by the way, I was already online at this point. Right. I was already on these websites that people don't even know exist like hot or not dot com. Dude, I loved Hot or Not. Live Journal and all these things that people don't even know existed. No, that was already. That was our childhood. Yes. Literally.

So I would meet people. Is anyone up.com? Is anyone up? Oh, Jesus. All those. Oh my God. Yes. And all of a sudden I'm getting clients outside of the store. Right. And I'm doing makeup for music videos, lo-fi videos.

Z-list movies that no one's ever heard of. And then I meet this girl and I start working for Hustler. I started doing makeup for porn. - Wow. - At 19. So I just started networking and just making as much money as I could. But for the lifestyle I knew I was meant for, it wasn't enough. - Right. - So that's when someone introduced me. Of course I did some girls' makeup. She was about to go turn a trick, didn't know it.

And she's like, oh, baby, the guys would love you. Yeah. I'll never forget her saying that line. And I was like, what do you mean? And she's like this and this. And I was like, I can't like I didn't even fully understand. A lot of men have fantasies. La la la. So I'm ignorant.

Bitch, she sold me out in a good way. She turned you out. Yeah. Yeah. She got her 10%. We love that. Oh, my God. So I started the journey of hustling and doing sex work, which I haven't really talked about much. I think it's important. But it is. I'm so I'm never ashamed ever. I feel like people think that we should be ashamed for what we had to do to survive. And I'm never going to fucking apologize. Even though I'm at this stage of my life.

I sometimes still wish I could do it. - It was so, listen, it was so, it was a different time where like if you wanted to wake up and make X amount of dollars, you could. - That was it. - It just depended on what you have to do. - Five guys in one day, let's go. - That or even a sugar daddy. Have a sugar daddy who just fucking gave you. - I had a few of them. I even had ones online that I never met. So people were like, okay, you're on MySpace. How did you, people would send me high powered cameras I didn't know

that existed and I would teach myself everything. So I was one of the first people to do a vlog. Wow. Me and Paris Hilton were the first ones to ever make money off of being a social media star. Absolutely. So I coined internet

an internet celebrity. Absolutely. I remember the first time I saw you was MySpace. It was you, Forbidden. Oh my God. Rest in peace. I know. How sad. And Tila Tequila. Tila Tequila? Where the fuck is she? And I'm the last one standing, bitch. And normal somewhat. That's it. Oh my God. You haven't lost your mind. Miss Tequila's crazy. I know. What?

I know what happened. Forbidden could never escape not being a star anymore. And God bless her addiction, alcohol. Yeah. That's literally like in Orange County's culture. I hate it. No, it's so sad because she was such a beautiful woman. But Tila, I don't know what the fuck happened. I think she had an aneurysm and just never got right after that. Right.

I have no idea. They say it's the Illuminati, but I'm not sure. No, we're not claiming her. No, no, no, no, no. We don't know who that is. She wanted to be a part of the club. Right. No, thank you. Aw. I don't think she made enough money, right? No. Don't you have to have like a certain amount of money to get into the Illuminati? I'm not sure. I plead the fifth. Everybody thinks my husband and I are in the Illuminati, and I'm like, I'm glad you guys think we have that much money. Like, it's not what it is. Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah. Yeah.

Life's very interesting. Yeah, definitely. So I moved to Wyoming and I escaped a lot of things. Right. Being an adult has its high points. Like you can eat ice cream for dinner anytime or if you want to stay up all night, you can. But it's not always fun. You also have to do your taxes and figure out what's for dinner every freaking night.

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So let's dial back though. You had started doing sex work. And how long did you do sex work for? Did you use that as like a means to an end while you were doing social media? Yeah. Okay. Exactly. Okay. And then like the Warped Tour days really took off and I started doing music. Yes. I loved music.

So people forget. Thank you. Oh my God. That I was obviously a working makeup artist. Yeah. And then my space and social media really exploded for me. Yeah. And I started to all of a sudden have like merchandise and I'm number one in hot topics. So I stopped obviously doing makeup on others. Right. People would hire me back in the day. Like, oh, well you do my wedding or like come to my daughter's birthday party. Like those days were very fun. Right. But,

But then I started doing music. Yeah. And I did music as a joke. I rapped on this Hollywood undead song a very long time ago. My husband just did a feature with them. Oh, that's awesome. They're still around. Yeah. That's it. Like love them. And the first album I was supposed to be on it. And then there was drama and they took me off. But the song was already online for free called Turn Off the Lights. Right. And it was massive. I even rerecorded it.

Interscope Records and whoever at the time took me off. But the song was already massive online. Wow. And it was just very interesting. Isn't it crazy how record labels work? Like they're just they're evil. Yeah, they're shady as fuck. Not all, but most. Not all, but pretty much most of them are. They're just so shady. I feel like Hollywood Undead always had some sort of drama going on. They were they were fighting each other. I know it was awful. Sorry, guys, I mean to talk shit, but I'm just saying.

No, it was just back in the day. Yeah. Like they were I wish they could have worked it out. Yeah, for sure. But let's talk about your music career. I mean, you had like Nicki Minaj as a feature and like, dude, so cool. I worked with a lot of really cool people.

Yeah. I did music. I always say like as a joke, but I actually really enjoyed it. When I did the first rap verse, I freestyled it and wrote it down in 10 minutes. It was very, very crass. And I was like, I want it. We just started freestyling right now before the camera started rolling. I even put forbidden in my first verse. Oh. The first, yeah, ever. It was, yeah, it was, that's so funny. The little last line is, I watched me eat forbidden fat pussy. Oh. Yeah.

That's so fucked, but so good. And she loved it, by the way. I bet. But it's just like and it was it was crazy. It was vicious. And I was like, I want to be like the obscene, like white little Kim. Right. And that was my shtick. And I penned some wild ass shit.

It was actually really good. I loved, what is the song? Plastic Slumber Party. Plastic Surgery Slumber Party. That was one of my favorite songs. And that was very like lo-fi, fun, electro, MySpace music. Like Depeche Mode meets like techno. Yeah. It was really cool. Yeah, you had to have been there. It's the best way to describe it. And for some reason, because of MySpace and I was already popular for being me and my character, you know, this character. Right. It just got big.

Why don't you pursue music anymore though? Because you're so good at it and it seems like it's a passion of yours. I've been asked this for every time I do an interview. Really? And we have definitely been dabbling for fun. Dude, my husband will help you. It's really... Not that you need it, but... Listen, I...

You never know. There may be a little comeback. Yeah, do it, please. I think TikTok needs a Jeffree Star track. It will go fucking H-A. I even have a new song on my phone. Can we get a little snippet? Later on the bus. Okay. I'm like, can we get an exclusive? So I've been doing it for fun.

- Fun. - But you're so good at it. Like, I think that's something that you need to do. And it's also a creative outlet for you. - It's really cool. - Yeah. - And now that I'm living this Wyoming life and I'm older and my voice is less faggoty. I can say that. Number one faggot right here. My voice is deeper. - Right. - And I really like my voice. And someone came over the other day

And we did. I'm not even kidding. You're going to die. Beauty killer acoustic. What? No. Yeah. Yeah. And they're like, would you ever perform this before? Every fucking scene kid that grew up with us needs that, dude. You have no idea. So when I opened up my retail store, we're jumping 30 years ahead. Yeah. I just, for my opening, I had Yellow Wolf perform. Yeah, we love Yellow. We broke the record of biggest event ever in Casper for downtown. It beat even the eclipse from 2018. Yay. And we've never been on the moon. But anyway, that's for the next 10 minutes.

It was epic. I love that. So I was like, you know what? Everyone's you should, you should go perform a song. And I was like, Oh, hell no. But then actually kind of inspired me. Good. I'm proud of you. So you never know what could happen. You need to do that. Do stuff that makes your, sets your soul on fire. Yes. You know, I feel like you've done so much shit now for not just you, but for everybody else. And to maybe prove points because from all the trauma that we have come from, we're always proving a point. We are. And I feel like, thank God she knows that.

I feel like music for you is therapeutic. It is actually. And I also feel like it's something that you enjoy. It is. As much as like your yaks and shit. I think because the makeup brand took off so big. Yeah. I was like,

And I really became engrossed. Yeah. I went from living in a one bedroom apartment with a thousand dollars to like, I want to be a CEO of my own company. And I had to literally teach myself everything. But I mean, you did it and look what happened. So you're in, let me, let me, so when we left off, I just started music. You had just started music when you decided to stop music. And then when did you start getting into makeup?

Oh, that's a good question. Was that like coincided with each other? It was also, the music was literally like a 10 year journey. Right. And I was always independent until the end. You were touring and everything, right? Oh yeah. You're hopping on the tour bus tonight with us. We had tour buses. I was performing and there was no like,

real label behind me. I had an independent deal through Warner, which means I had no support. And like a distribution. Yeah, it was literally a distribution deal. That was it. And it was sick. And we had, you know, we had a cute little number one dance album and la la la. But I never got the success that I wanted. Right. I wanted to be like number one. And then there's other people in the industry coming up at the same time. And they chose evil deals. Kesha, Lady Gaga. And they even stole from my

Oh, baby. And I'm not blaming them. I'm blaming their stylists and their team. They would go out and they would steal. Gaga for sure. Girl. Yeah. Like that's your whole shit. It was crazy back in the day. Yeah. I would go and I saw their first show once. And people weren't doing season. She's throwing up pink on the screen right before she goes on stage. Like your serial shot, right? Girl. The cover of Plastic Surge or Slumber Party. I'm puking pink. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You have your finger in your mouth. I go to this woman's show.

She's throwing up pink on the Jumbotron for her first big tour. And there's nothing you can do. Devastated crying. Mmm.

15 years later, I'm reviewing her concealer. We're cool. I love that. Lady Gaga, I love you. But it was her team. And later down the road, when I became signed to similar folks, they all had stories. And it was really dark. And it's none of it was her fault. When you're that big, you have such a team behind you. And you're just going with the flow. And no say so. Like literally. Yeah, right. We never know. But a lot of them chose horrible deals.

You know, people call it selling their soul. I've always kept my soul. Yeah. And I've been offered a lot. I'm looking you in your eyes. You seem to have a soul still. I'm still here. Yeah. Ding, ding, ding. It all cracks. He turns into a reptilian right now. Oh my God. They wanted me to go full reptile. I didn't want to. Really? Yeah. How does that even work? How does somebody come to you and say, hey, I'm ready to be a reptilian? They see the potential that you can do to shift the culture. Right. And I chose to shift it myself.

So people actually will come to you and say, hey, I want you to be a reptilian. What does that entail? It's more like, will you? It's basically like selling your soul. It's such a tricky, such a tricky thing to say. Like Ursula and the Little Mermaid, like sign on the dotted line. You have to give more than that. Really? Yeah. Like a firstborn or like your left nut or something.

Listen, if you want that tour bus to not have the brakes go out tonight. No, I'm just kidding. No one can hear us. No one knows we're talking about this. No, we're good. It's a tricky slope because the industry is really dark. Right. And there's a lot of people that will do... I feel like there's such a dark side and there's also a light side. It just depends on which... There is. There is.

But thankfully, because of social media and people having the guts, a lot of things are now infiltrated. Right. Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein, all these things are coming out. Right. And it's like, thank God. Yeah. So Hollywood is so scared. Yeah. Oh, I bet there's no new artists. They're all pushing the stupid satanic demon shit. It's also like fucking what's her name? Doja Cat. It's getting weird. It's just getting boring. It's getting uncomfortable. It's bright is what it is. Yeah. It's just getting uncomfortable to the point of just like,

who are what are you trying to prove we get it you know like you're it's to make them feed into it like they really are i know it's it's so boring i just knew the new song for the first time on the plane right here and i'm just like this is it huh yeah you're like that's it the second verse is kind of cute but it's like i just bought a limousine and i'm just like my iq is dropping right now oh yeah it's not great she's losing her first album i even like paint the town right i think it's cute it has a great beat obviously these producers know what they're doing

they create a beat that you're going to be hooked on and you can sing it in your head. It's all a game. Yeah, for sure. So I never played the game with these top producers. I never, I saw how dark the industry was and it was like,

could go here or this way. So I fired everyone. I said goodbye to Akon. I said goodbye to convict music, which you were assigned to Akon whenever you were doing your music. So my last few songs, it has the iconic clink convict. Do you know how cool that was? That very first time I got to put a track out with his fucking intro, it was like, I made it. It was insane. Yeah. Prom night. The crazy single where our little kids shooting up everyone at the end. Yep. Such a forward thinker. You really are though. That's so fucked. You have always,

You have always been, no for sure, for sure. You have always been ahead of your time though. - Listen baby Columbine had just happened and I'm like, we're gonna tap into this. 'Cause I also was getting death threats every day. - But it's real shit. - It was different times. I would walk out the streets looking like this, faggy. I was called the craziest names. Nowadays people don't talk like that. It's all behind the keyboards. - Well, you get fucking canceled. - That's it. - You know what I mean? - I'm so tired of online fucking trolls and shit. - But back in the day it was just so different. - 2014, you're already doing Myspace.

2014 is when I started the brand. Right. So I was going to say, MySpace was after music or... Before. Before? And during. Okay, gotcha. And then remember, MySpace... Tanked. Finally started having its run. Facebook's here. Instagram's here. All these new things are happening. The population's changing. The last generation's now into, you know, just everything's evolving. So...

It was a very hard time for me. I let go of the music world. Right. I knew I was never going to be number one single and performing in front of 20,000 in my head, not knowing what was going to come later. Right. And I gave it all up. And that was like the only moment where I almost felt like giving up. Not like full suicide, but it was like,

I was like very hopeless. Right. And I was sitting in this apartment that I did the documentary on, right? Me and Shane Dawson. We even went back to the old apartment. It was so fucked. Right. And it was just a moment of like, we're going this way or this way. So then I just started using the internet, which is free. You don't need to go to college. And I taught myself how to make a product, how to build a brand. And I just taught myself everything from the ground up.

And there was a makeup. I mean, I'm in L.A. There's makeup labs everywhere. People want to work with me. But it's at a really weird stage. So as I quit, I went back to the Warped Tour crowd. I started selling merchandise and doing meet and greets with no music anymore. Here's a sick merch line. Come meet me.

because i was broke the tenacity though i was broke most people don't have the tenacity that you know to do that to to go and teach themselves things and to just keep hustling that's like something that you can't teach people you should be proud of your survivor thank you survivor mentality it was like go like it was do or die yeah so i'm on warp tour 2013 testing out my first ever lipstick formulas in the heat it's

It was awesome. Oh. And I'm concocting my plan and thinking about what I'm going to do. And I'm like, okay, I want to put out three liquid lipsticks. There's only like three brands on the market at the time. Kylie wasn't around then. Nope.

Her lips were still normal. Yeah. And mine weren't. We had we got into plastic surgery at a young age because that's where that's how we grew up. That's how the West Coast is. Exactly. Yeah. So I'm on this tour bus. We're doing meet and greets every day in the hot sun. Everyone else, you know, they do their 30 minute set, their little 10 minute meet and greet. And they all go try to fuck and get wasted. I'm under that hot tent seven hours working that motherfucker. Hmm.

Making all the money. Yeah. Never partying. And once the seven hours is over, then I go chill, redo my makeup. Then we swallow. Line them up. Line them up. Line them up, baby. But, you know, it was just, it was such a crazy time for me. So I felt very hopeless. But then I'm ready to start the brand and launch this shit. Right. I have no investor. Akon was going to own part of my brand.

Shout out to Akon, amazing musician, right? Is he a good human too? He is, but he was going through so much turmoil in his life with his record label playing games and all these things. He could not be the best manager for me. So, okay, circling back, we, you're on Warped Tour, you're doing, you're working your ass off and you're staying sober this whole time. Yeah. Yeah. So you never had a problem with drugs or anything? No. Wow. So I didn't smoke. So here's a great, I didn't try weed until I was 23. Okay. Yeah.

We're on tour and I'm with Daniel. And the very first time was in Salt Lake City at this venue and their house, the venue owners, their house was above the venue. Weird. And it was very cool. Shout out to Jackie. I still remember her. And they had the volcano bag. Oh my God. A gravity bong type thing? No, no, no. Like the volcano, like the one that blows. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not the bong, but like the bag. Okay, gotcha. And it's like pure vapor. So it's very strong.

For your first time? Yes. Extreme. And obviously people always ask like, why did you want to do it then? It was like in the moment. I'm feeling that not that rock star life, but like I had made it. I'm on stage. There's a few thousand people there every night. It was very wild times. Right. And I'm with Daniel. I felt very safe.

and I was like, you know what? Let me just try it for the first time. Like everyone else is smoking and they're acting normal. I didn't, I didn't like the wasted, gross, aggressive emotions, all this. I saw the array of people really happy, really violent, crying, trauma coming out. And I'm like, fuck all this. When you're sober around drunk people. I just talked about this on a podcast yesterday. It's hard. It's awful.

I tell everybody I'm judging you because there's nothing attractive about a woman spilling all over the place. A guy in your face just breathing on you. Like I hate it. It's so gross. People don't realize that until they're sober. Right. So...

It was great times, though. It was amazing. Right. So we're at this weird trajectory of like, how am I going to get this brand launched? And then once the A-card... The gravity bag, though. Yeah. Oh, the gravity bag. See, I'm already on the gravity bag today. So we try a weed for the first time. So I take a hit. I'll never forget this. And the bag's like big. And you take a hit. And I'm like, I literally felt nothing. And a lot of people go, well, sometimes the cannabinoids don't work on your first time. Yeah, whatever. Oh, fuck. So I didn't know the vapor takes like...

Maybe five to ten minutes to like kind of kick in. Hit you, yeah. So Mr. Extreme over here, I take like five more hits. And I'm like, nothing's happening. This is so like, wow, I can't believe I took this long to try weed and nothing's happening. It hit me like a train. Oh, no. In the best way. Oh, good. No bad first trip. Good. I can't stop laughing. I'm already a silly bitch. Yeah, yeah.

Me and Daniel are on. It's this cheetah print rug. Oh. I'm laughing hysterically in my fucking underwear. The show's done. I'm all sweaty. You know what I mean? We're just up there chilling. Everyone's getting a drink. La la la. I cannot stop laughing. The munchies hit. Oh. And we're like, okay. We start saying goodbye. I'm high for hours. We get into the van to go to the hotel. The little La Quinta. The little La Quinta. Mm-hmm.

We're in the van going to the hotel and I feel like we're on a roller coaster and we're going 35 miles an hour. Yeah. I'm laughing. We get to the hotel. I clean out the vending machine. Oh. I have no idea, but I'm so high. My brain blacks out. Oh, no. I wake up.

There's chili Frito bags, Funyuns, Snicker bars. Like I cleaned out that bitch and I had an eating fest with Daniel. We ordered pizza. I don't remember ordering and I had the best sleep of my life. That's what I remember. What a fucking great memory of you two. It was beautiful. And I felt so safe with Daniel. So I love that.

I start my journey of liking weed. And I didn't fully really get into it until I started my brand and I felt comfortable. And now, you know, I say I've been high for 10 years, but marijuana has been a really big, I don't know, it's so hard to like claim something as doing something. Right. But it definitely has helped my creativity flourish. Right. Do you battle with mental illness still or anything? Honestly, no, not really. No?

Like we all cutting or anything like that anymore. I was going to say maybe it like eases that. Yeah, it does take away full anxiety. I don't ever really feel anxious, but I do smoke weed every day where it's legal. Yeah. And let's say my team's like, yo, I created a concept, but you need to name these 35 eyeshadows like now. Right. Puff. It starts coming out. I mean, like that's why music. Oh, my God. When I did that first album. Mm hmm.

had never really smoked. Right. Beauty Killer and all the EPs. But it was a way for you to channel your energy and just throw yourself into something that you really enjoy. Yeah. I love that. It's really cool. So let's talk about something else that you enjoy, makeup. Do you still enjoy makeup? I really do. Yeah? Yeah. And skincare now too. Obsessed. Talk to me about it. The older we get, I've always loved skincare. I used to tell people as young as 15, don't move your face. Right.

Yeah. Which is always my thing. That's why I'm frozen. Now as I get older, I don't care. I dissolved all my filler and I'm just kind of living a more free life, but I'm still me. I'm still Jeffrey fucking star. Do you do Botox or anything? I haven't in two years. Wow. It looks amazing though. I have to have it. I can't, when I started getting the wrinkles in the forehead, I freaked

Yeah, I do have more wrinkles. I'm not embracing them. Maybe they'll go away this winter. You look great, though. Thank you. But I'm just doing a little more. Like, my lips were too crazy, so I dissolved a lot. And, you know, when things start to migrate. I look like fucking Marge Simpson. So I had to...

Yeah. I had to tone it down for me. Like below my nose was getting weird. Now your face is perfect. You look beautiful. So I have to tone it down a notch for me. Yeah. But we always do things for us, not for anybody else. But I always go extreme. Yeah, for sure. So you started the makeup brand in 2014. 2014. I launched three liquid lips on Black Friday. And you were looking for an investor. Akon was going to invest, but he couldn't. He was out. Next, let's hit up my best friend of 12 years, Kat Von D. She's down.

She shows me a makeup lab and I start doing my formula. She literally gives me a sample with a name of the lab. I call it do all the work.

when she tried to destroy my career online, which flopped and backfired. She said she did everything. It was the biggest insult I think I've ever felt in my entire life. Because I did everything. Yeah, it's always hurtful when a friendship breaks up. It's like worse than a divorce. And publicly for the very first time, because I had not really done online drama. Then after that, as bigger as things got, oh, it was a bloodbath. I feel like people just come for you just to be...

They used to all the time just to get attention. But it was my first big taste of the internet flipping without knowing any facts. Oh, they don't care. And then days later, if I recall, they all flip back and realize it was all full of shit. Yeah, they don't care. But it was so hurtful for someone to say, I created his brand. It was like...

but it was believable that was a problem and now no because she was a little bit bigger than you back absolutely right because she had that and she liked or whatever having more money than me and she liked being the friend that had more so when i surpassed her she flipped on me 12 year friendship she's tattooed my whole body 50 portraits would you guys ever be friends again no he just because of you because of the way i was treated i can never forgiving is fine when you get older you can never go back to someone that

stabbed you that hard. Well, you can forgive but not forget. Yes. So it was one of the most painful things I've gone through. Do you think maybe she's grown a lot since being a wife? And I'm just playing devil's advocate. Yeah, no, I honestly have no idea. Yeah. I'm one of those people that now that I've really helped myself, I don't lurk. It's like the old days I would care what everyone's doing. It's so unhealthy. It is. It's very toxic. I need to stop doing that. I don't. So I don't.

read the news. I don't know what's happening anymore. I don't care who's fucking who, what's this, who did this, who just, I just don't care. It's so unhealthy. You just get to a point of just serenity. But when you're in the same world, yes, you're told she has a kid now. That's crazy. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah.

that shit. That's fucking insane. Yeah. And when you say also like, I hate children and then you have one, anyone's allowed to change their mind. Obviously. I've grown a lot. It was wild to see someone become a parent. Right. So hopefully it...

softens them nicer. I feel like Trisha Paytas having a kid has helped her grow a little bit too, you know? So I feel like, I think, I don't know. I've never had my own child, so I wouldn't know, but I feel like children soften women too. So, you know, you never know. Never say never. Maybe you guys will cross paths somewhere down the road and be able to,

Me and Trisha, maybe. Yeah. Trisha just did, she did me and Jay wrong and made up a whole drama. Yeah. And then had a kid. Trisha actually flaked on me yesterday. Yeah.

I came off tour to fucking do her podcast with her. Well, to do her podcast and her come on my podcast. And she texts me an hour before she was supposed to show up that she wasn't coming. That's so unprofessional. I know. But I'm just, you know, it is what it is. Well, I normally don't talk about drama because the old Jeffrey, people just think things so differently than who I am. Yeah. So I just kind of stray away from that. Yeah, absolutely. And I don't like feeding into these things. No, never. But she did me really wrong. Oh.

She made up all these lies that I fat shamed her and called her all these things. Never happened. Right. Never happened. And then she gets in a fight looking for clout too. Of course she was. That was her stick. Right. Right. Right. And it was at a time where people wanted to hate me and Shane Dawson. Right. So she picks a huge fight with my hairdresser, Jay, right here. And it just turned into a bloodbath. Jay, how could you pick on Jay? He seems like a sweetheart. And he went in on her. And the thing is, is like normal folks don't ever really hear someone like going in. Right. Like,

Like, yeah, when you're angry and you're hurt, you're going to fucking lash out and you're going to let someone have. Oh, if I tell somebody off, I'm a bully. He told her off in the fucking funniest way. And they all tried to turn on us like we were the devil. I'm like, I've met. I literally just flew her to Vegas. We're front row at Mariah Carey. The Internet starts turning on me and Shane during the pandemic. She flips and makes up a whole story. The vlog was filmed on her channel. Her being in love with all of us. We go to Vegas. We take her on a shopping spree. We do all these amazing things.

She deletes the vlog, makes up lies about me and him. And the internet at the time, they ran with it. Right. She hurt me deeply. Oh. And she's never apologized. I hate that. Well, Trisha, if you're listening, I hope that maybe hearing his side of the story will make you want to. It was hurtful. And she knows it was. Oh, I hate that.

I never knew any of that. I'd stay out of the drama. And then we never spoke again. Wow. And it was like, damn, it was really hurtful. We just sold two million palettes and there's a Trisha fucking eyeshadow in it. Oh, the internet's starting to like him and Shane. I'm going to turn on them. So instead of everyone being like, wow, I know these people or me personally, I'm

They all started to flip. Instead of having your back. It was a time where cancel culture was so prominent. Right. So all the celebrities are unfollowing. Everyone's feeding into it. And it's like, wow, you start to feel like a fucking piece of shit. And it was really dark. So she played me. She got what she wanted at the time. And now she's doing her and canceling your podcast. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I had no idea the drama between you guys. I've never gotten into. It's very one-sided. Yeah. No, I get it. Which is, which sucks. Yeah. Because normally I'm like, bitch, like I have some shit to say. I don't even have anything bad to say about her. She flipped on me. No, I'm the same way. I get drug into drama that I don't even want to fucking be in. And I never know. All the time. Of course. I never knew the story. I was just telling my experience that I had had. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And letting you know. But I'm ready to share because I have never really talked about it. And I think that I never got to say my piece because no one wanted to hear what I had to say at the time.

I know. I just hate that for you. I feel like you're so misunderstood. Not now. I feel like with TikTok, everybody's starting to get to see the real you or the grown you. And I feel like everybody's loving it and embracing it. Her saying misunderstood was the only time today where I felt like a tinge of wanting to cry. Oh, I love you.

So you want a hug? Let's hug. Later. Okay. Listen. But yeah, it's hard when you have success to say you feel any type of way because people equate money to you feeling fine. Yeah. I never started the brand to make money. Right. It grew insane. And then I...

So you started the brand because you came from nothing and you had something to prove. Yes. You didn't want to be a piece of shit. Your whole or, you know, whatever. Yes. People, a derogatory name that people were calling you. I totally understand. I've been a hooker my entire life. Now I'm a millionaire because I fucking...

working my ass off. - And they can't understand it. - Yeah, like they can't let go of that past, but they don't wanna acknowledge what I've done with my clothes on, you know? So I totally understand where you're coming from. Let's talk about the brand though. So you started in 2014. - I started it. So Kat was gonna be the investor. - Yes. - Flips on me. We all know how that ended.

And isn't it funny? She doesn't even own a brand anymore. It's gone. Yeah. The irony in the last... My brand turns nine years old this November. Crazy. So grateful for the journey. So I then in the music industry, I'm like, okay, I have no investor. I've already met the lab. The three colors are done. The formula is better than the ones on the market. I have no money. So I'm sitting there in full hopelessness, but I'm like, I'm still a hustler. Hello.

So how many dicks do I got to suck? That's it. And shockingly, none to get the first loan. Good for you. Isn't that great? So I start hitting up booking agents, people that are in the industry. Do you know anyone that would? Connections that you've made. I know everyone. I know all the booking agents from the little punk rock venues to House of Blues to the arenas. And I'm like, okay, I'm going to start networking. I start calling people. This guy that owns Sumerian Records had a meeting with me.

and the co-owners of Sumerian Records, Ash and Jeff Cohen, invested in me and believed in the project. Doesn't that feel good? It was insane. To have somebody believe in you. To finally, it clicked. You have the funds to make the dream a reality. And all I needed was $100,000. So I put everything I had in and they gave me the last of what I needed.

on launch day, I paid them back in five minutes. Wow. I just got goosebumps. It was beautiful. Because it was so like, is anyone going to care? I'm like, I have to do a photo shoot. I do a photo shoot in a pink coffin. Yeah. My first brand shoot ever. And my eyes are open and I'm like, the liquid lipstick you've all been dying for coming soon.

And that was this journey of my, of even creating a website, letting people know where you are. And then it was just like, you know, releasing colors and then the first highlighter and then the first lip scrub. And now it's spiraled into this massive thing. And it's just so beautiful. And I'm so in love with makeup and I've changed the entire industry. Literally everything I enter, even TikTok. I'm changing TikTok right now. I'm taking the credit from doing the live streams of the live crowd. Dude, we crack up seeing you on live all the time. I'm like, you never know what you're getting. I'm like, Jeffrey is fine.

- It's really fun. - No, you're hilarious. - And then battling like the TikTok creators and the people that I didn't know existed and then becoming part of the family and then half of them fucking loving me and you know half of them fucking hate me. - I don't think they hate you. I think they just hate to love you. - Yeah. - That's really what it is. - And they can't believe I joined their platform and I'm loving it. Some people are shook at how much I love it. - I was so happy when I saw you on there. I was like, "Jeffrey's on TikTok." And I was like, "It's about fucking time."

I know. So in the pandemic, when it was this whole dancing era, I hated it. I wouldn't do it either. I was like, you're not going to catch my fucking. It was the first time where I was like, wow, I'm not progressing with the Internet culture.

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But YouTube is still so big. So let's go to I start the brand. I learned what a beauty influencer is rolling my fucking eyes in the back of my skull right now. Like everybody's so catty in that industry and just I start doing YouTube. I upload my first tutorial. Now, remember, I always forget to tell this to people. No one had seen me without makeup on before.

So my big, which I think you're gorgeous without makeup on. I love you without makeup on. And a lot of people do. Thank you for saying that. But I wasn't ready and I felt insecure about it. So it was your whole, it was your mask. It was everything. Your entire life. Exactly. You hid behind that. Absolutely. And now that my trauma was starting to heal, I wasn't broke anymore. I had tax evasion. My bank account was frozen. No one knew any of this.

And it was really, really dark times. I started the brand. The IRS is a real fucking gangster. That's it. They love me. I bet they do. They love me. And it transformed my entire life. So as I started to heal, the big shock was I'm going to be barefaced on YouTube. Yeah. And I saw what the other girls were doing.

So boring. We all know I fuck everything I enter. I love that you always want to do your own thing because I'm the same exact way. I don't want to follow everybody. That's it. So I enter YouTube. I'm the first person I'm doing a tutorial. Lighten up the bowl. They change the rules. You can't do that anymore. Yeah. 2015, 16, 17. Oh, my God. And then 18, 19 was just obviously incredible. And my channel went from 100,000 to 18 million people. And it was just like, how is this real?

From tutorials to showing everything about my, I call it my marriage, my five year marriage. From every surgery to every mistake is all on my channel. Yeah. And I quit last year. You shared your life with everybody. I did. I was so invested in you and Nate's relationship. That is one thing. It was beautiful. It was gorgeous to watch. Thank you. Because I fell in love for the first time not knowing it was going to be on camera really. Right. And it was really cool. Yeah. I finally felt loved for the first time by another man that didn't want me to be a secret. Yeah.

And it really helped me heal. So being in love in that relationship really helped me heal. What happened with you guys, if you don't mind me asking? Can we talk about it? There's a lot of paperwork involved. Wow, really? Yep. Wow. Yep. On his part? Both parts? Yeah. Yep.

I just went and lurked his Instagram last night and he doesn't look like he's doing well. Really? No. Oh my God, that's so weird to hear because I don't lurk anymore. Obviously, this was... No, I was like, where is he? Because I was writing my questions down. Oh my God. This November, I'm four years single. I mean, no, I've dated people. That's not fair to say, but in a deep, real relationship. Yeah.

Are you, do you think that maybe you're scared? Of what? Of falling in love again? Oh, that's a great question. No. And I'll get back to that. No, I'm open now. I'm not afraid. Yeah. I'm not afraid at all. I know. No, I'm really not. I'm very open to it. Haven't met the right person. I've dated some people before.

We've had a good time, la la la. But I haven't met anyone like I felt when I met him and our souls were like, wow. Twin flames. Yeah, had no idea. So I have not felt that since. Our breakup can legally not be discussed. Gotcha. I hate that for you, baby. I'm so sorry, everyone that wants the tea. I know, I know.

it's not like i even want to talk about it it's just it's a normal thing right like you can legally talk about your breakups and whatever i cannot which is a different world we live in yeah so we had a great time does so there's not one person that you have met that has like just set your soul on fire not since oh yeah you're just

That's my vibrator. It's on the bus. It's my blood pressure cuff in my purse. When it goes off, people think it's a vibrator. It's the NDA vibrating in my backpack. Literally. Oh, fuck. So moving on. Mm-hmm.

So you lurked. That's so funny. Yeah. And what is your synopsis? So I went. Miss Bunny. Yeah, because I was writing on my interview last night and I was like, where the fuck is Nate? Because that is the only part of your life that I was ever invested in. I have not been invested since. No offense. No, I love that. I don't get in the drama and I don't care. Like, I just love you as a human. I love that. So.

So you did a little lurking for me. I did. So I went on Nate's profile and he looks... And this is just my observation. I'm not saying anything. I don't know anything. Okay. He looks like he might be under the influence of something. Not positive, but he just doesn't look...

mentally okay you know so i don't know i even said that to hayley earlier today i was like he didn't look good like you can look at you and see that you're glowing and that you're trying to heal and you know be a better human and with him it just kind of looks like he's lost probably so that's interesting yeah oh my god do you ever miss him

Okay. Moving on. I love all the times we had, though. And a lot of it, which is funny, is on camera. Right. We went to Bora Bora for the first time together. Like, those were so cool. And obviously, there were so many moments off camera of love and affection. And, you know, we had little pieces on YouTube. But it was a beautiful relationship. It really was. Yeah. No.

And I had really fell in love with the first time. It served its purpose. Yeah. And it did. And it was so, it was really great for me because it really did, like I said, help me heal. And I think it's hard for people if you haven't really fallen in love, what that feels like. Because I thought it was made up and then it happened to me. He probably helped heal a bunch of childhood trauma wounds. It really did. Growing up in chaotic households like we grew up in, we searched for that trauma.

puzzle piece that can make us feel like the, you know, the little kid that we were before. So cliche when I stopped looking is when it hit. Yeah. Hello. I've never dated a fucking, a big guy before. And I literally had sworn off all dudes. And then here comes this fucking big squish and he fucking just bounces into my life, dude. And,

I just love him. And the souls connect. Literally. And he cannot explain it. At all. That's so cool. It's just seven years and I just couldn't imagine life without him. It's going to happen for you again too. Because you're a beautiful human. Thank you. And you deserve to be loved. I agree and I'm open to it. Yeah. Well, you guys hear that? Jeffrey's looking. Well, no. Jeffrey's not looking. He's open.

You never know. Yeah, right now I'm back in my ho era, I think. Would it be a regular guy or would it have to be somebody who's on the same level as you? I would think trying to date you would be hard. It is. But I'm also really busy, so it's hard to right now want to give...

a bigger piece of me right now. Right. I'm obsessed with my ranch. I'm a real farmer. Yeah. Like I'm out there in Louis Vuitton covered in yak shit. I got over 350 yaks. I have four factory and camels. I know why you love yaks. I've come to the conclusion because I was pulling up a picture of them the other day. Cause I was like diva of all cows. I was like, what the fuck is that terminology? Tell me that's not the scene kid of the animal kingdom. That is a Highland Scottish cow. Oh,

Okay. Well, I thought it was a yak. But they look very similar. Okay. They do look similar. Gotcha. I was like, it's the hair. It's the emo hair. So yaks, those are called, so the yaks that look like that are called super woolies. Okay. And there's different like hair on the yak, but they're all really beautiful. They're like, I call them the diva of all cows. Are they fucking majestic as fuck? They are. I can't wait. I'm so excited. I live at the base of a mountain. Can I ride one? Yeah.

You can ride a camel, no yaks. But you can pet a yak, you can rub one to the ground. They're really cool creatures. And are they just so loving? Yeah. I heard the coolest quote the other day that said...

if you want to buy land and fill it with animals, it's because in the time of need that you had during your trauma, that was what the only thing that was there for you were the animals. And I was like, that's me because I can't wait to dye my hair red and fucking be a gardener and fucking be ugly and just also have. I don't want to eat horrible food that we're probably being poisoned with. What is your diet?

Pretty bad. Really? That's way better now. Yeah. So let me drop a shocker. No fast food really. Yeah. Obviously, I've had In-N-Out once or twice a year, but I used to eat and promote fast food like it was part of my thing. Right. And I do not – I haven't eaten fast food in like three years. Yeah. I don't eat fast food either. I –

Ate in and out when we were in Vegas. Yeah, sometimes you have to I literally didn't mean sauerkraut and ground chicken today to just make me feel better I love food. Yeah, and I eat a lot of yak now. Yeah, obviously I raise them for pets and breeding But now I have a full meat operation. Do you have certain yaks that you love? Yes, they get to live people always go in on me like Yeah, the ones I name and I'm rubbing on on Instagram obviously are not being slaughtered right me so we haven't taken

No, we haven't. We're not taking snowflake and snowstorm to the butcher. So we had a whole meat herd, which you'll see when you come to the ranch. I can't wait. And they're just there for food. Right. We're in six restaurants now. Wow. It's unreal. We're in the busiest steakhouse in all of Wyoming called Fire Rock. I love that. Maybe we'll have to go eat there. Oh, yeah. Or we'll cook them at the house, whatever you want. Yeah, whatever you want to do. Yak steaks.

So then of course I opened up my new store, the Jeffree star store, makeup and meat. Okay. So let's, before we get to the store, you quit YouTube. You fucking left LA after almost nine years on YouTube.

Billions of views. Did you just have enough? It ran its course. And then the drama from all my old friends, they ruined YouTube. It's their fault. They really did. So the last final hurrah was two ex-friends uploaded a video full of lies about me. And it literally ruined the internet. It was at a point where people did not want drama anymore. It's on CNN, 50 million views. And they're all trying to flip on me because I just keep climbing and climbing. Right.

We all kind of, and then YouTube itself kind of broke. The beauty industry of YouTube was dead. Right. We're all getting 30 million views. No one cares anymore. Right. And it's a new era. The monetization on it has changed even. Yes. Yeah. But the cool thing is all my old videos are still there. Yeah. I get a check every month from Google. Yeah. It's like residuals on music. It's pretty cool. Yeah. Google.

So will I ever upload again? I don't know. Maybe I've been asked when I launched big makeup collections to go back and swatch them in a 30 minute video versus this quick TikTok. Like how do you promote a collection with 10 new items with a quick little 30 seconds? So yeah.

You never know. I think if anybody can figure anything out, it's you. Absolutely. If you can make anything your bitch, it's you. But I was burnt out. Yeah, you were tired of it. So we're on 20 years of social media. Yeah. You just needed a break. Your soul was tired. And then I discovered TikTok in a good way. When you quit YouTube, was that when you moved from L.A. to Wyoming? Yeah.

I had already lived in Wyoming. Oh, so you had already moved and you were already getting ready to just... You were going through a change. Yes, a big one. Yeah. And it was necessary. Did you leave L.A. just because of the humans that are there? Because I tell everybody, like when Leo Skeppy came on the podcast, I was like, Leo, don't go to fucking L.A. It's not the same as it used to be. It lost its sparkle.

It's lost its magic. It's really not what it used to be anymore. At all. And I fell out of love with it. Yeah. And then it was just getting so dark and toxic and just so many weird things are happening behind the scenes. And a lot of people did not want me around anymore because of this moment of like when all the YouTube drama happened, I was going to expose a lot of people. And this is a tricky conversation. Someone else's, let me word this the right way.

Gotcha. Wow. Right.

Yeah, but it was also selfishly wanting to let everyone know this person's shit, right? And it's like I had to learn through my journey of healing and through therapy. That was not Appropriate which is I never did it obviously right? But those thoughts were haunting me, but your intention behind it was good. Yes We're supporting someone who is so awful, right? Mm-hmm

It's that misunderstood thing again. Yes. So the Internet as the roller coaster of my career has been, they wanted me to be the villain, I guess, that year. Everybody needs a villain. And it was crazy. So this person begged and pleaded me not to share what they had told me. I obviously respected it and never did it. Right. That shows that you're a good human.

You know, you didn't do it. And to see this person still out there, they're not thriving like they used to be at all, is just interesting. But the industry does have demon, demonic snakes. Yeah, absolutely. You'll have to tell me who it is later so I can steer clear of that human. Oh, his name is James Charles. Oh.

no really damn it do we need to believe that no no no James you know you're a biggest he's the biggest piece of shit in the beauty industry and he allegedly has done a lot of horrible things he admitted to talking to minors he is a fucking piece so that is true I just I always stay out of the drama he did a video allegedly not allegedly admitting to

to sexting minors. So I never knew this. Hey, we had a situation where he used one of my makeup artists hacks and didn't tag her. So I just on my backup account, I have a backup TikTok. I was just like, hey, James, we love you. We respect you. But, you know, give credit where credit's due. He wants to be the one that he did, though. Oh, OK. I was very surprised. Right. But what's crazy is everybody in the comments started telling me about the pedophile stuff. And I was like,

God, I didn't know. You know, like I stay out of it. One of the most vile human beings on this planet. Lord. Yep. That's crazy. Well, honestly, and I have never really talked or addressed these things, but he is a literal fucking monster. Wow. And the fact that he's out there.

and somehow has a beauty product, I guess, that just came out and A-list celebrities are promoting this alleged child fucker. Yes, Kim Kardashian, we're talking to you. You're using his makeup, but you didn't care about Balenciaga putting child porn on their ads anyway. So two peas go into a pod, I guess. Right.

People aren't ready for the truth. Everyone wants to keep their mouths shut and they keep... Why? Right. If someone is bad, let people know. Yeah. No, I agree. You have A-list celebrities literally using this shit. Has he been... It's all demonic and really dark and all those people, they stick together. Has he ever been charged? I don't know. I don't think so. Yeah.

I think that's probably what people... Will we see it in the future? Yes, I'm sure. Well, also the Illuminati though, not to keep bringing that up, but don't they use people like James Charles to bleed into other areas, you know, because they can easily access minors. The children. Right, yeah. He is a big problem. Wow. And I don't speak on him, but they tried to ruin my career because of all the information I had. Wow. It's really brave of you to stand up. So I moved away.

I stood up to all of them, said, fuck you. Yeah. And I left that little L.A. county.

And they're so controlled mentally by it. It's really sad. So. And you're free. Yes. You're literally free. But it's shocking, honestly. It really is. And I never speak about this. People ask me about this shit all the time. Yeah. I don't dwell. I don't really think about them. But when you start, you know, you're interviewing me. We're talking about the literal past. No, I appreciate the honesty. And it's like, I'm always going to keep it real. Need to know. It's not fair. Well, you could be saving another child, you know, like that part. Yeah. But they don't. People are not taking it as serious anymore.

Or like new people discover someone and they're like, yeah, whatever. Well, hopefully they will after hearing you speak on it because somebody such as yourself who's been in the industry for so long, who has street cred, literally, you know, to be able to stand up to somebody as powerful as him because he is a powerful dude. Yeah. And say that, you know, maybe people will start listening now. That's scary. Oh, it makes me sick. Just like thinking about his name. I'm so sorry. No, it's okay. I have no idea. It was just a really...

It was like... Yeah, it was 10 times what Trisha did to me is what he did. I feel like that whole group is just a cesspool of just... But I've learned that it's not... I don't need to expose anyone. Right. I don't need to do any of that. It's all going to play out how it's supposed to be. It always comes to light. He knows what he did. What's done in the dark always comes to light. And he is...

Pure evil. Let me just leave it at that. All right. Moving on to more beautiful things. Casper, take me. We're going to go see this ranch tomorrow. The beauty drama exploded. I don't know Wyoming's coming, but I'm like, I'm just so over living here. Yeah. And I also had an ego death. I love that you know when to tap out. Yes. A lot of people don't know when to do that. And you know about ego deaths? Yeah. Haley just had one on the PJ last night. What? What?

Really? She took a fucking edible and thought she died. She was looking. No, but I'm talking about like when you your real ego like diminishes. Oh, yeah. No, I've been through I went through a really bad domestic violence relationship where I almost died a couple of times. Horrible. That will humble you and literally make you take the shell of the human that you were off and become a different human. Yes, for sure. I'm playing this in my book like December 19. I'm single for the first time in five years. Hmm.

I move into one of the biggest houses in L.A., one of the biggest mansions in Hidden Hills. Yeah, I was a big motherfucker. I remember seeing it online. Single, 25,000 square feet. It's going to be lonely. Pandemic starts. Mm-hmm.

we had so much fun we filled so much content but i had a realization sitting in this massive home surrounded by all these things that it didn't make me happy yeah material doesn't make you happy no but i didn't know that because i didn't have time to really think until you were working towards the goal yes so i don't know i want to leave california permanently i just know i want to be away i want to be in quiet i want to actually go heal and not pretend and talk about it like all my ex-friends

And I've been to Wyoming so many times. I've been on tour for years. We passed through here. Oh my God, stunning. So I'm looking around. Jackson Hole is very famous. A lot of celebrities live there. Big mansions. No land. I'm like, fuck this. This is literally like going to LA. We discover Casper. It's a small town. 60,000 people. A hardworking town.

People are nice. Country boys everywhere. Yep. Oil field workers, farmers. There are some really hot fucking oil field workers. I see them on TikTok. I'm like, damn. Hot UPS workers. Dude. So we fly there a few times. We love it. Everyone's really nice. Instead of like L.A.,

"Well, what do you do for a living?" You know how they look you up and down. "How can I use you?" It's, "How are you?" I was like, "People care?" And they genuinely want to hear you say... "Y'all really want to know how I'm doing?" Yeah. I had to train myself to like not... That's how it was when I moved to Nashville. The guard had to come down a little. Fell in love with it. I find a property that has a bunch of land for sale around it. End of the road. No neighbors, really. Silence.

Don't know I'm gonna become a farmer and own one yak farmer Jeff farmer Jeff's in the building and all of a sudden I have all this land and I'm like, oh Okay, I had seen yaks on tour in Switzerland 2010 we're in Geneva. We're going through in the little tour bus yaks on the hillside Could you have ever imagined in 2010 that you would own a fucking yacht farm just saying that chance encounter with them? I

I Google, are they legal? It's a fucking bovine cow. I don't know this though, because I've only seen them in other countries. Yeah. I Google it. There's even a yak farm in fucking town. Yeah. I buy my first three. You know, I can't leave it alone. I just have them be my pets. Right.

I'm surprised they're not in the house with you. Sometimes they are in the kitchen. The little ones that are trained, they'll come in and out. They're really cute. The dogs love them. I'm going to cry. I need that. I'm going to go tell my husband right now we need land. And there are yaks in Tennessee, even though it's humid there in the summer and I don't really recommend it. My friend does have a yak ranch out there.

My husband, actually, I told him last night about your land in Casper and he was like, dude, let's look for some land. I was like, I'll ask him if he knows anybody that's selling stuff. We're ready. We're trying to get a farm in peace and quiet. Yeah. No, nothing like it. Yeah. So what does Jeff we're here. What does Jeffrey do next? You just kick up your feet and just fucking relax like this. The little boy in you. Yeah. Is he ever going to be proud?

I'm really proud now. Good. I am. Running year nine of the brand, two years into skincare. I'm raising Tibetan yaks and camels. I mean, come on. And the farm life is so fulfilling. So last year for six months, I didn't travel except twice to do photo shoots. Everyone came to me.

Jay saw snow for the first time. We did a photo shoot in 10 degree weather. I love your team, by the way. His team is here and they're just amazing. And we're in the snow, 10 inches of snow, shooting the Wyoming winter campaign. Like we've done so many cool things. So I didn't travel for six months. I got to really become a rancher. Yeah. And it's me and a few guys. We do it all ourselves. You get out there. All the time. And just bust ass. I love it. Oh, I love it. It's like my big pet project. I'm obsessed with it. I love this for you. So now we're just growing it.

More restaurants. So we just opened up the store. Right. Which Yellow have performed at. Iconic. Meat and makeup. Like what a fucking crazy concept. Isn't it cool? And a lot of people were a little shocked. Oh, baby. Yeah? I'm going to call my store one of the busiest retail stores in Wyoming history. Wow.

And September. And you're there working it. I see you online. I love it. Just working it. September 14th, two month anniversary. Aww. It's a zoo every day. A line out the door. And then I started to like make up a funny concept. Celebrity works the register. It's my own store. I'm very hands on with everything I do. Mm-hmm.

So I'm like, you know what? I'm going to go live and I'm going to just help the customers out and like ring them up. Let's just see how it goes. I'm on a six hour stream. It's fucking crazy. Insane. And me and TikTok are good friends now. We've just worked on a really big deal together. Yeah. Can we talk about it? We're working on it. I'm going to do some announcements soon. Good. But they are very happy that I joined. Duh. One of the highest viewed streamers ever, which is crazy. Absolutely.

It's not crazy. And you guys seen the battles, right? And you've seen people go live. You can send the gifts. The fucking island boy is always so that I can't stand that. Yeah. So he's he's a piece of shit also. They tried to battle me and I'm like, no. Yeah, no, they're just not great. So there's it's all very addicting and it's very fun. And we're working on some big Jeffree Star moments. Yeah.

Which is so cool to be. And I'm the OG of social media. That's what I was going to say. For the newest, hottest platform 20 years later to be like, yes, sir. You reinvent yourself. You're like the Madonna of social media. Yes. Madonna's kind of. I like that.

Literally, you are. You literally reinvent yourself and you always know how to stay, you know, abreast of everything and just. He's relevant. Always, always relevant, baby. It's wild. I love that for you. And I love that this journey that you're on. I love this Jeffrey right here. Thank you. You seem so at peace. I'm actually proud of myself. So it's so cool that you said that because I never really talked about that. I'm very grateful. I'm very humbled.

And I wake up every day like it's my last and I just go hard. I love it. I think if I'm given this opportunity, I can't be lazy one day out of my life. No. So do you ever think you're going to be able to rest? Currently? No. You're a restless spirit like me. I don't. It's like I always have no matter how proud of myself I am. It's like, OK, what can I do next? Like I have to stay busy. Yes. No, I get that. I totally understand that. And there's so many more dicks to conquer. Yeah.

We didn't even get into the dicks. Isn't that nice? Isn't that nice? Finally, someone had me on their podcast and it wasn't about my deep throat. It wasn't about all the band guys and all the athletes. No, I don't like that stuff doesn't. It's so we've already done it all, especially from our past. Yeah.

It doesn't interest me. Yeah, it's fun off camera. Maybe I'll show her a picture too. Yeah, no, I would like that. Maybe I'll show her a few A-listers. We can compare notes. Yeah. For sure. But I just feel like there's so much more to you than the dicks you suck. Thank you. And that is fun. You're a fucking mogul, dude. Thank you. Like, you can pick any dick in the world and suck it. You know what I'm saying? You have the choice of dicks. Does the audience know that we've maybe slept with one or two of the same people? Um, well, no, but they do now. Ah! What?

I never go into, I never discuss about who I sleep with. So Jeffrey, except for that one time when MJ came on my podcast. Yes. And that, okay. So the reason, not the reason, but it accelerated our friendship as I wake up one day. Oh, it accelerated it, bitch.

I wake up one day and I'm on TikTok and I'm just starting my journey. And I'm like, why am I getting tagged in this thing about fucking sucking dick? And I'm like, oh, typical. Then I'm like, it's you and your friend. And it was just hilarious. Yeah. So MJ, MJ Fresh came on the podcast and I get a fucking FaceTime. I'm on the phone with her and I'm like, this is a Wyoming number. Do you think it's Jeffrey? Yeah.

And she's like, no, answer it. I'm like, no, I'm not answering it because I don't know who it is. You know, calls three more times. And I'm like, I'm the only Wyoming member she should have on that phone. There's one area code for the whole state. Literally. Shout out to 307. So I text it and I'm like, you called and he's like, this is your new bestie, Jeffrey. And I was like, holy shit. And he's like, so I heard that I'm sucking dick. Long story short, Jeffrey actually sucked one of my ex's dicks and hooked up with MJ Fresh's ex.

So that that's how it had gotten brought up. And we were just like, shout out, Jeffrey. What if he's a player? So can I ask a question? Yeah, of course. How did she or you know? So that's all I wanted to ask my ex.

um told me yeah he we i'm very open yeah he was like jeffrey sucked my dick one night and i was like how was it the tall one i'm very tall and he's fucking built like he's got a little baby arm oh my god oh my god i'm deceased yes so he's very long yeah yes so he told me and i was like dude how was it he was like it was the best so i have a photographic memory last name

Yes. Yeah. Yep. Absolutely. That's crazy that you know that she said the tall one, the blonde, blonde, tall blonde. Yeah. So when that was, when he told me deceased, when he's, well, shout out to him for telling you. And he said it was the best head he's ever gotten.

And I was like, too fucking amazing. I need some lessons, obviously. Why do you think I flew in to do this? Yeah. I love you. I do have a question for you, though, about one hookup. He can fix it on camera. It's fine. That's fine. I don't care. Oh, my God. Can I have a sip? Can we share? Of course. I'm clean. No, you're fine. If a guy's flying out, he's getting 24 hour testing with the results to my email. Yeah. Yeah.

Is that do you meet people? Not that many people. I sound like I fuck every day. No. Have I met some people? Yeah. Yeah. It's every other day. You have to be very guarded. Have you guys ever hooked up? No. But he's seen. Go ahead. Tell him. Oh, so. So besides. Can I say this or no? So besides doing wigs, Jay also does porn on the side. Nice. He's a star. I love that. Come, Kevin. Come on.

I love that. Because I'm like, where can I go in? Because I started to get more famous as the makeup brands pop in. Yeah. And I'm like, I don't want to go to this men's free clinic anymore. People are going to think, oh, he has something. So he's getting checked. He'll make up the craziest shit. Yeah, for sure. And I'm like, no, I just want to make sure I'm safe and clean, bitch. Yeah.

So I was like, damn, Jay, I don't want to go to this place anymore. People are going to like take it, you know, because you're in the lobby. Someone goes like this. Yeah. Oh, no. And then they you can have the rest of it. You're fine. So they literally people will say something and it's like word is bond. Like they don't have any proof. It just spreads like wildfire. The fucking does that shit to me every day. So Jay hooked me up. Yeah. But I have been on the jet. I've been sleeping and he's like right next to me.

So you guys are you guys like BFFs? Yeah, like obviously people can turn that into something so it's like you know I'm in a very very strong click we've all been friends for years. Yeah. So I was like hey. I love that.

I'm like a fan wanting to take a photo but Jeffree was having a conversation

And you know people have sometimes no boundaries, no respect. At all. At all. I don't tolerate not to smoke. Yeah. But God forbid a public figure or somebody acts on their feelings and they get bashed for it, right? Because they don't see the other side of the story. Oh, absolutely. There's always two sides. Give me just one second. Let me finish this conversation. The fan fell one step away into a drink.

Haven't had a drink thrown on me. I'm talking I'm talking who the marijuana sitting I'm talking ten years We're in Casper, Wyoming. She don't have it. She can't get her photo right now. She throws a Red Bull can it Splashes my shoulder and it gets on him game over Let's just say game over. Oh

A lot of people also try to think that they can get away with attacking guys too.

Yeah, that's crazy. Baby, I don't care who it is. If you don't start, none won't be none. That's it. You know what I'm saying? We're not about the disrespect, but most people are obviously really great. They are. No. And we do this because of you guys. You know, like without you guys, there is no us. So. All right. So I'm going to ask you some questions. We're going to end this on the hot seat. Dude, we've been talking.

an hour and a half. Bunny's meet and greet is about to start. It goes by so quick. It's crazy, right? It's not tripping me out, but it's really cool and amazing when I meet someone and it's like, I've known you for a long time. Aww.

- Aww, I love that. - 'Cause you know some people-- - That's how I've always felt, yeah. - And I've been interviewed a lot, you've been interviewed a lot, and so has your husband, and you know sometimes, or a lot of the time, the vibe, or it's the same fucking questions. - Yeah. - You're like, "Girl, you don't have anything else to say?" - Yeah. - And I feel like I've known you for a long time. - I love that. - I love your energy. - I mean, I love your energy. - Thank you. - I think that's the biggest compliment that you could ever give a human is loving their energy. - Absolutely. - And I've always felt drawn to you.

I watched those three podcasts because I really have not kept up with you. And when I got done watching them, I told my girls, I was like, he is me. Literally, like we're like the same type of human. Isn't it funny? So she has watched me do a few podcasts and then been on them. It's don't you find it weird sometimes of some how people act?

on camera with me versus with other people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I brought that up to you before the show. I was like, you know, maybe they're not straight, but we're not going to say names. Can I get it? Yes, exactly. All right. So this is called the hot seat. I'm going to ask you a couple of probably like six questions. I'm ovulating. You have to answer them as fast as you can. OK. All right. Mary, fuck, kill Kanye West. OK, Mary, fuck, kill. Let's go. Kanye West.

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Kanye West with a guillotine. Okay, gotcha. And all my life, I have never slept with that man. No, I know. We've been in the same room. I don't think you have. I've fucked a bunch of his friends. I've sucked off some of his homies. Yeah. I don't like short dudes.

Yeah. It's like guys that wear eyeliner. Yeah. I'm not into short kings. You're not a king if you're short. I love tall guys too. So yeah, my average is like a nice 6'4 and up. Right. Tallest I've been was 6'10. Well, because you're 6'1, right? And you wear heels. Mr. 6'10, call me. He's overseas playing basketball right now. I was going to say, that's got to be hard to find. A 6'10er? Bitch. What's the weenie on that look like? Oh my goodness. Yes.

Literally. Oh, Lord. It's giving medium rare. It's giving thick. It's giving stunning. I need to see pictures. Okay. I'm a glimpse. It's giving statue-esque. I'm a glimpse over here. What's the dirtiest thing you searched on your phone last? I'm going to be a disappointment. Okay. I don't really search dirty things. Right. I'm someone that's really into POV. I love when people film me on my phone. Mm-hmm.

Another man has never filmed me on their phone. Yeah. But on my Google searches. That's amazing that you've never let another man film you. Hell no. And when they come over, your phone's in the car. Wow. Yeah. Do you make them sign NDAs? Absolutely. See, people get mad at me for making bitches sign NDAs. No, it's real. You have to. You have to protect yourself, dude. And you also know when you've been doing this for a long time as ex-prostitutes, you know someone's energy. Absolutely.

- Absolutely. - Whether they're a band groupie, a normal girl on the street or an escort, you know if someone's trying to be fishy. - Yeah. - And you don't think we know if someone's trying to pull up a cat. - But even if they're not trying to be fishy at that time, once they don't have your time or your attention, then they get fucking shady. - Wow. - Like that's how people are. - That's a big statement. - It's so fucked up. What's the worst thing you've ever sent to the wrong person?

We airdrop people on planes just fucking around all the time. We fucking will like screenshot nasty shit. I think on accident when something is near something I have, but thank God it was with a friend. Right. Of like, here's a wiener in my mouth. Right. Like that could ruin my, to me it wouldn't ruin my career. People would actually like that. Yeah. But like, you want to see a picture that Jay took? Sure. I would love to. This is on a little private jet moment. Oh,

I'm like, I would love to. Yeah. And obviously, like, hey, would you know, are you down to take a photo? Because there's weird artists like there's the R. Kelly side and then there's like your your friends and you all have fun side. Right. OK. Yeah. We're in the very fun side of life when we're in the private jet and the sky is just blinging. It just looks stunning.

Whose wiener is that? Good lord. All I saw was dick. Isn't that cute? I didn't see the body it was attached to. Yes. That is a huge wiener. Isn't that cute? Goodness. Yes. Yes, it's very cute. It's beautiful, right? But I love, and I'm really into like a nice 12. That is huge.

Huge. Yeah. Do you take that? So my maximum of deep throating, and I'll admit this on Bunny's show, is a 12 inch. Right. After that, I can't take any more. I mean, that's 12 inches is a lot. Do you take that? Oh, this folder is banging. All right. Let's finish these questions. Oh, my God. Look at these fendy glasses. Good Lord. That is beautiful. That was a beautiful penis. It is.

That was a different penis, right? Oh, way different. Okay. I was like, that one's gorgeous. Those are three. I need to see who that's attached to later. Okay. I'm literally in heat right now. I'm getting verklempt. He's verklempt over here. Who's not doing merch right now?

Jack from Sleeping With Sirens. He's over here. Never hooked up with him either. But a lot of his friends. We were trying to put. He's too short. We were trying to put bets on Alex or Jack. I was like. Neither. On God, neither. Yeah. Too short. We'll bleep this out. They're both too short. Yeah. No, you don't have to bleep it out. Because I didn't. He said too short. What's the grossest thing that comes out of your, that has came out of your body? Huh. I'm usually really quick. I stumped Jeffrey.

Jay is like, I know. I'm like, I know because I'm like, I'm very like, I'm so clean. Like, I never sweat. I never smell. I'm so like a clean person. Same, I'm the same way.

something like coming out is like I got hair transplant surgery so seeing my so seeing my skin I know this is the answer people want but seeing the skin removed while you're awake and then having it because you're giving yourself an organ transplant yeah and then seeing it move to the front was crazy was that painful yeah fuck yeah it was and worth every penny worth every penny my husband wants that and I'm like baby my doctor's the best in America okay

Oh, he's out here. Yeah. It takes like two or three weeks to heal. So when he's on the next album or doing something not on tour, amazing time to do it. All right. I'll talk to him about it. Yes. All right. We got you hooked up, daddy. Oh my God. We got you, baby. Doctors daring. We love you. All right. Would you rather make out with a dude who chews tobacco or go down on a girl on her period? Girl on her period. His face. I said the same thing because they could keep a tampon in. You know what I'm saying?

Exactly. And then I just Wyoming and all the fucking chew. Yeah, choose gross or how they don't. I don't want to make out with you with that fucking tar on your gums. I'm not doing it. It's nasty. I'm not doing it. I don't do cigarettes on your cum tastes weird. Absolutely. No, yeah. Tangy tangy cum. What's your favorite song right now?

Sexy Red and Sookie Hood Rats. He loves Sexy Red. I'm obsessed with hip hop. And then I don't even know this person. Oh my God, the penis is still on my phone. Jesus, that was big. Oh my God. No, it was a big penis. Oh my God, bitch. Look at the other angle. No, it's crazy.

crazy that was like a ten and a half I love how happy you look with a dick in your mouth though like you literally like it's my happy place Jay is over here shaking his head right now I'm gonna shout out a new a newer country artist Josh Malloy yeah fucking incredible you humped him no no no not yet he has a song called met the devil in Oklahoma okay I haven't

Amazing. It's cool. I can't wait. And I love country. I just don't do the tobacco, y'all. No, it's so gross. So if you want to fuck this face and use me as a basketball, no tobacco. Listen, and I'll tell you right now, the pictures I just saw, I've never seen a happier human with a dick in their mouth. Really? Like you're just lit up like a Christmas tree. Yeah. Besides that, like doing makeup, that's my happy place. I love it.

I love it. And I love you. I appreciate you coming on the podcast, Jeffrey. I'm so glad my knee transplants healed before I came here. On a real level, you guys, Bunny is a fucking queen. She's a mogul. She's an entrepreneur. And I have so much respect for you. And thank you for having me on your show, baby. Thank you for that. I appreciate you so much. Thank you. You want to shout out your socials? I'm sure everybody knows where you're at. Listen, jeffreestar.com. Jeffree Star on literally everything. And no OnlyFans. I'm so easy. OnlyFans offered me a lot of money.

almost did it, started doing all that type of stuff. Didn't take the deal. Didn't need the money, but it was also very exciting, but it's just not time. Not yet. So in the future, I don't honestly know. Hold out like you did with TikTok. I don't have the desire to right now. Yeah, absolutely. Is there a tutorial coming of me at the 12 inches? I think that would be hot. I think somebody, we need that tutorial because I was told by an ex that he was the best head he ever had. And I'm pretty, I like to pride myself. I can't believe that because it's a,

Listen, this dude has a fucking little baby arm is what I call it. It's like a fucking huge dick. Anacondas have nothing on me. Crazy. It's going to be a long trip back to Wyoming. That's it. Do we have cucumbers on the bus? All right, y'all. Dislocating Jaws since 1985. Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Dumb Blonde. I will see you guys next week. Bye.