142: The Dark History of The Guinness Family: Your Favorite Beer is CURSED! 41:24

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They don't seem as important, but they are just as rich and influential. I mean, in the US we have the Kennedys and over in Ireland, they have the Guinness family.

Oh yes, that Guinness. The beer your ex-boyfriend loved. Maybe a little too much. As I started to look into the family, I expected it to be, I don't know, kind of boring. I mean, they made beer. You know, they're worth like a billion dollars. It's like, oh, what else is there? But when I started to get into it...

I was shocked. I mean, I thought the Kennedy family deaths were bad. This was way worse. This family has been a part of some of the biggest events in Ireland's history, and they have some serious skeletons in the closet. Skeleton. Plus, they have a family curse that sounds like it's straight out of a Final Destination movie. So welcome to The Dark History of the Guinness Family. The Dark History of the Guinness Family

Hi friends, I hope you're having a wonderful day today. My name is Bailey Sarian and I'd like to welcome you to my podcast, Dark History. Here we believe history does not have to be boring. I mean, it might be tragic, it might be happy, but either way, it's our dark history. Now, before we get into it, don't forget to like and subscribe because I come out with that hot, juicy history goss every week.

And plus, let me know what you think down below in the comment section. I love hearing from you. And you know, at the end, I read some comments. Maybe I'll read yours. Now, let's get into today's story. So let's start with the founding father of Guinness, his

His name is Arthur Guinness. In 1725, he was born in a small Irish town called Selbridge, and he grew up in a working class family and started working basically as soon as he could walk. He and his whole family worked at a place called Carberry Malthouse.

A malt house back then is where like beer was made. The family worked for a local wealthy landowner, Ann Bishop. And I guess they were pretty good at their job because once the landowner died, he left 100 pounds each for both Arthur and his father. Now this equaled about like four years of wages at the time. And you know, it was a life-changing move. I mean, again, it's the 1700s, so...

100 pounds was a lot of money. Like in today's dollars, it would be kind of like $34,000. I mean...

right? I mean, most people were screwed over when their boss died. You know, they had to go find work on another property. But the Guinness family basically got a fresh start in life and it was at the perfect time too. So during this time, Ireland was going through a serious financial crisis in the mid 1700s. The everyday person had very little money and the money they did have was used to feed

their family. This meant there were tons of expensive buildings that were just kind of dirt cheap and ready to be scooped up. Arthur Guinness and his brother used that money that they got to buy a brewery near Dublin, and they wanted to take a stab at the beer industry. Breweries in Dublin were kind of struggling because of imported beer from Britain, but Arthur believed he had a chance at standing out.

He knew how to brew it himself. I mean, working in the beer industry was practically like in his DNA. So he took a chance and he started that brewery and then it paid off. I guess right away it made a lot of profit. The taste was unique and people loved that they were drinking Irish beer and not English beer.

So Arthur used the profits to make a bunch of other investments in real estate, flour milling and also insurance. And then in 1759, again, Arthur takes advantage of the fact that he's got, you know, money in his pocket and they're in the middle of like a huge financial crisis. So he leases a property called St. James Gate.

And he uses that as the main Guinness brewery. So when you think about like signing a lease today, it's usually like a year or two, right? But Arthur, he wanted this lease to be the deal of a lifetime.

So he signs a lease for 9,000 years and he'll only have to pay 45 pounds or $57 for a year for it. So it's safe to say that Arthur was interested in building a dynasty from the very beginning. It kind of reminds me of like Scientology. You know, you have to sign like a billion year contract. It's kind of what he did, but like 9,000 years. Same thing. That's not the point. The point is his personal life.

It was kind of tragic. Like the rest of his life was like up and up. And then his personal life, woo, bad, just real bad. So Arthur, he married a rich woman and her name was Olivia Whitmore. And Olivia was said to be like the backbone of the whole Guinness enterprise. She had connections to the Irish government, which was like a big plus for the family businesses. Other than that, not a lot is really known about her. But what we do know is that Arthur and Olivia had sex.

buckle in, 21 children. That's a lot. I don't know if you know this, but that is a lot, huh? Can you imagine pushing out 21? Tragically, 11 of them died before adulthood. I mean, this was the 18th century, so he's normal, which is sad to say, but it was kind of normal for like kids to be dying left and right. And then on the professional side of things, Arthur was very successful, but he was also

very messy when it came to politics. Because Guinness was such a big part of Irish society, Arthur became like an important figure in local politics. One of his big political moves was to petition the Irish House of Commons to lower its tax on beer. And I'm sure you can put two and two together, like of course he wants that. I mean, he's gonna get more money in his pocket.

But the controversial part is his reasoning as to why. He believed that it's important for the government to lower the taxes because there was a war being waged on the Irish people through liquor.

Huh? Yeah. Specifically, gin and whiskey. So the British had introduced liquor to the Irish people. People got hooked on it and they were like, this is bullshit. The people who liked it the most were like the lower working class in Ireland. The alcohol strength was higher and the quality

was lower. At this time, there was over like a thousand whiskey distilleries alone. So entire towns of people were becoming addicted to this stuff. It was just a totally different situation from beer. I mean, have you ever gotten drunk off of whiskey? It's a different kind of drunk than like beer drunk. You know, summer is here and we're all ready to look and feel confident inside and out.

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he was convincing because the government was like yeah okay by arguing against the jinn in society it was almost like an act of resistance against the british so this was important because at this time in the 1700s ireland was part of the united kingdom so it was under their royal government

rule. But Ireland believed if they stayed under this rule, their culture and history would be erased. And there was this fear that Ireland would be turned into another version of England. Most people in Ireland wanted their own country, you know.

doing their own thing and not under control of the British. But Arthur, he was on his own little path. You know, he's just building an empire. He knew he would never be able to grow his business beyond Ireland if he was anti-UK.

Okay, so he didn't want to come off as anti-UK, but, you know, he also wanted to keep his Irish customers. So he's trying to play both sides. So there was this thing called the Irish Rebellion in 1798. And allegedly, Arthur spied on his fellow Irishmen.

and then pass that information to British authorities, allegedly. There were many other rumors surrounding Arthur and his allegiance to the Irish people throughout his life, but it doesn't matter 'cause despite all that, Arthur Guinness is really seen as an Irish icon.

He did good. I mean, he was known for creating good working conditions and giving generous benefits for his workers all the way from like day one. So that's great. Don't hear about that.

that often, you know? Arthur, he died in 1803 at the age of 78, and he died leaving an incredible legacy. And I guess you could say, in a way, he definitely accomplished his dream. He left his family a profitable Guinness dynasty. Now, the family, all they had to do was take it to the next level and make sure that no matter what, the Guinness family or Guinness just, like, stayed on top. And the ways that they achieved that were...

Shocking. In 1839, Arthur's grandson, Benjamin Guinness, he stepped in and like took over the company. Benjamin was ambitious to say the least. He wanted to grow his family's company, not only in Ireland, but he was thinking like internationally as well, you know? He's like thinking big. Especially England, despite the tensions between the two countries.

And after some smart business investments, Benjamin was able to do that. He actually made more money than his grandfather, but you know, he did it in like a really suspish way. So kind of like his grandfather, Benjamin had some, you know, questionable politics. One of the reasons the Guinness family like popped off was because under his rule, um,

There was like a tragedy happening in Ireland and he kind of like benefited from it. So in 1845, Ireland was struck by the potato famine. So there was a disease that infected potato crops and it was like killing them all over the country.

Those potatoes were what most of Ireland depended on for food. So at the same time as its population was starving, Ireland was still expected to ship large portions of its food to England. And if you weren't able to produce enough crops to sell, you and your family were kicked out of your home and like left to just starve on the street.

So it was not a great time. Most of Ireland was starving and living in poverty. Over 1 million people would end up dying of starvation over the course of this famine. And it was one of like the worst periods in Irish history. But if you were in the Guinness family, it was the opposite. They're like, this is the best time in history. You know, the Guinness family, they had to grow crops just like everyone else. The

The main ingredient of their famous beer is barley or was barley, which is a plant that's similar to wheat. And the family had tons of barley crops in Ireland. You would think that they would help like the people out, you know, their people by giving out

"Free beer," or something, right? Like, "Free beer for all." Or maybe they would give out some crops to survive. I don't know. You think they would just help the people, but of course not, you know? You know what they did instead? So the landowner is in charge of those fields hired armed guards to protect their precious barley. And then they made sure that this barley was shipped to England. So they were prioritizing England over their own people. And this crop brought in a ton of money for them.

The family used this money to buy up cheap land and estates all over Ireland.

So while most people were struggling to survive, they were thriving. Now the Guinness family wasn't like, they weren't crappy all of the time. In fact, in Irish society, one of the things that they are most famous for is financing the restoration of St. Patrick's Cathedral. This was a big deal to them because like this place of worship was a huge symbol to the Irish people. So it just really meant a lot. And they also threw the beloved Irish symbol of the arts onto their beer logo as well. It's the harp.

Joan has a harp here. Play us a song, Joan. I'll wait. Good. That was great. I love that. In 1868, Benjamin died at the age of 69. At the time, he was like the richest man in Ireland. So in just a few decades, the Guinness Brewery went from like just a good old family business to this huge empire. By 1900, they were the biggest brewery in the world.

Brewery is a hard word, isn't it? But look, you couldn't go into like a bar without seeing their beer. It was everywhere, right? And it's like, you know, it's not all success and wealth. There was a dark side to all of this. In the next few decades, the Guinness family sees like one tragedy over another. I'm talking like car accidents, overdoses, murder, freak accidents. Like those are just a few. There was like...

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By the 1920s, the Guinness family was pretty established. Like they didn't really have to fight for power or relevance. I mean, at this point, like Guinness was one of the top beer brands in the world, you know? And the Guinness family was just living rich.

you know just enjoying all the benefits of being rich especially marine guinness serene was just part of the guinness family okay he got it good so marine and her sisters were known as the golden guinness girls and you know they're wealthy so they grew up in like this massive mansion with money

I mean, they were coming of age during the roaring twenties, which was like a great time to be alive, I guess. The Golden Guinness girls eventually moved to London and were just taking part in the wild nightlife. So at this time, like if you were young, wealthy, and you were part of like the partying elite, you were known as like the bright young things, kind of creepy in a way, but like they became like celebrities because they were constantly being chased by photographers. So,

The Golden Guinness Girls were part of this, I guess, and became partying legends in London. So Maureen, in particular, was known as a social climbing party animal. She would host parties that were super over the top, and she loved to play practical jokes on her guests. And it sounds funny and cute, but it's not because the jokes were just...

weird, you know? For example, let me tell you. One of her jokes was like to dress up as a drunk servant and, you know, with like an Irish accent. So she would dress up like this and she would join the parties in this disguise and I don't know, just be like sloppy or whatever. And then she would serve her guests wine and glasses that had holes in them. So it's spill. And then she would serve like fake cheese, I guess, and

I don't know. I guess that's like innocent, right? It's not that bad, I think. I think one of the weirdest ones was like she liked wearing a fake penis as a nose. Yeah. Kind of like a chin strap, but on her nose. Face strap? What are those called? Anyway, the guests, I guess they loved her. They loved her jokes. They thought she was so funny. Ha ha ha ha ha. She was notorious for like throwing these ragers. And I guess her love life...

was quite complicated. Oh, she's a party girl, you know? She's like, "I'm a free spirit, you can't tie me down." She ended up getting married like three different times and she had four children that were all from her first husband. I guess her first husband was killed in World War II, so it left her with the responsibility of raising these kids, but she's a party girl.

So she's like, I don't know what to do. So according to her daughter, Caroline, Maureen did not have much of like a maternal instinct. The only thing Maureen would talk about was like her glory years on the London party circuit. Her daughter Caroline would say like her childhood was not a happy one. Maureen didn't want to like stop partying and going out. So Caroline and her siblings were usually left to be raised with a nanny. Well, I guess no one was doing background checks on these nannies.

you know, so, uh oh. And according to Caroline, while their mom was out,

doing whatever she was doing, their nanny would just like not feed them and starve them. I guess to the point where like the kids would hop on their bikes and just ride around their massive estate begging people for food. So when Caroline got older, you know, she was beautiful, she was rich, and she even became a famous novelist at one point. She was a girl that I guess everyone wanted to get with. But Caroline didn't like care about getting the right husband.

She was going through that stage where she wanted like the bad boys and like the sensitive artists. She's like, "But daddy, I love him." Eventually she stopped asking for permission and ended up running away from her home to get married to her hot lover, Lucian Freud. Maureen was not happy about this, of course. So just like Caroline, Lucian came from like a famous family. His grandfather was Sigmund Freud.

Oh yeah, small world, huh? The inventor of like psychoanalysis. You know, the one who came up with like the theory that most men have mommy issues. Yeah, you don't know that? Well, yeah. So his grandson Lucian wasn't in the psychology business, but he was a painter. And I guess the two of them, Caroline and Lucian, were like one of the most popular couples in society. And they were friends with everyone.

But like most relationships started out of rebellion, Caroline and Lucien's marriage would not last. She would go on to be in like multiple relationships, including like a Hollywood screenwriter.

I feel like with rich people, like this is just my observation. I don't know anything, but like they never really are loyal to their partners, right? When the year is 1977 rolls around, Caroline would experience multiple tragedies like all at once. So Caroline like married a new guy. His name was Robert Lowell. Well, it doesn't matter. We introduced him and now he's dead because he died of a heart attack.

Yeah. So she's like, shit. Now there was this rumor going around that he died clutching a portrait of Caroline, which was painted by Caroline's ex-husband, Lucian Freud. Yeah. I don't know, but okay. I guess like Caroline was like, well, yeah, Caroline was devastated about this because it was her husband, Bailey, like have a heart. But I'm like, I guess she was devastated. Yeah.

but she was she was devastated and then the following year tragedy strikes for the guinness family once again

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And she was 18 years old, just living her life being a rich Guinness heiress. It was kind of like her grandma. She liked to party. She was a party girl. She liked to go out. She liked to have fun. And you know, she just had endless money. So what are they gonna do? They do everything. Like she definitely got sucked into the world of drinking, drugs, partying, right? At some point, Natalia started to like dabble with heroin. Yeah, not great.

So I guess one night Natalia was in her bathroom and she was like preparing the heroin she was about to inject herself with. Now it's unclear, but like, I guess she lost her footing or something. But as she was injecting herself, she fell headfirst into a bathtub filled with water. And then she ended up passing away. And then that same year, like again,

tragedy would strike. This time it was Natalia's cousin, a woman named Lady Henrietta Guiness. So I guess Lady Henrietta was dating this guy named Michael Beebe. I love that last name, Beebe. Okay, sorry. But he was like a popular socialite. Okay, so they're dating at the time. The two are cute. They're together. Great last name, Beebe. So they're going on a drive in Michael's red Aston Martin around the French

Wow, what a life. So they're driving and, you know, oops, they get into a really bad car accident. And it leaves Lady Henrietta severely injured. So she gets like really hurt and she would survive the crash. But she would say like the injuries from the crash would plague her for the rest of her life. And she never fully recovered.

recovered from it. Years go by and Lady Henrietta, she moves to Italy where she got married and she had this, you know, quote unquote picture perfect life. She could have anything she wanted. It was beautiful. It's like the Britney Spears song. She's so lucky. She's a star. But she cried, cried, cried. Something, something, something, you know?

She was living that. But for reals though, because she struggled with depression for years. And then in 1978, at just 35 years old, Lady Henrietta succumbed to that depression. She ended up like taking her own life by jumping off a bridge in Italy. So sad. She was once quoted saying, "If I had been poor, I would have been happy." Okay, you know, like low-key kind of eye roll.

You know, it's like, all right. I'm sure if you tell that to someone who doesn't have money, they're going to be like, shut the fuck up. But, okay. Either way, like, all of that trauma led Caroline Guinness to embrace the darkness. And her drinking became more and more of a problem. You know, she used alcohol to cope with her feelings for years. And after multiple personal tragedies, she started to, like, lose control. So Caroline was, like, in and out of her kids' lives, just like her mom Maureen did to her.

and she was also said to have like let herself go. She was like neglecting her appearance and even her hygiene. Caroline was like suddenly known as being dirty and smelly, completely different from her reputation as like this beautiful young it girl. She was also known for her wild behavior in public, which led to her being blacklisted from several hotels and cut off from most of her friend groups. In 1996, Caroline died at the age of 65.

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Just a few years later, something bizarre happened to the Guiness family. On October 30th, 1998, the niece to the heir of the Guiness fortune, a woman named Rose Nugent, was in England celebrating her mom's birthday. I guess Rose wanted to do something special for her mom's celebration. She's like, "What should I do? I don't know." It was said that she was very skilled when it came to riding horses, and it was her passion in life. She was a horse girl.

She offered to drive guests to her mother's birthday in a horse-drawn caravan, which is like, um, it's like a horse carriage, which is nicer. I know, it's the 90s. Like, when you hear the horse-drawn caravan, I'm thinking, like, oh, it must be the 1800s. No, this was in the 90s. So...

You know, rich people, huh? So that afternoon, she was like driving the caravan along a peaceful countryside road on her way to like pick people up. And with her, she actually had her dog. He's in the little caravan too. So multiple people from town recall seeing her riding the caravan and she was like waving at them and letting them pass. Normal shit.

But then I guess something spooked Rose's horse. And you know, when it gets spooked, it just like took off galloping full speed down a hill. The horse just went like crazy and Rose tried to stay calm as she was like grabbing the reins, you know? But the horse was too freaked out and headed straight for a bend in the road.

Uh-oh. So Rose lost control of the horse and she was thrown from the caravan. So she was just thrown out there and then the caravan actually runs her over and she's crushed to death. What the? On her mom's birthday? So it took seven men to pick up the caravan and pull her body from it.

She's, oof. Her death completely shocked the town, especially, like, since Rose was, she was so experienced with horses. Her death was just kind of considered a freak accident, and the media was all over it. They were publishing headlines like, NEVERENDING CURSE OF THE GENES DYNASTY, in all caps, like, yelling at you, and you're like, okay. And then people wondered, like, when the hell this curse was gonna end, or what?

Most of the Guinness family deaths at this point were tied to their partying, their wealth, and even their influence that the family gained over generations. John Henry Guinness, the next victim of this family curse. On April 8th, 1986, John Henry Guinness arrived home to find his wife, Jennifer, and one of his daughters tied up by masked men.

Jennifer had been pistol whipped and, you know, terrified for her life. So when John enters, he was like immediately tied up by the men. And apparently another business associate of his showed up at the house. So the gunmen, they tied him up too. So the gunmen then kidnapped Jennifer.

and told John that they would return her after he paid the ransom, which was two million pounds. So after they left, the police were, they were called, and they got to work attempting to find Jennifer and like these men who kidnapped her. So while Jennifer was being held captive,

She, like, pleaded with the kidnappers over and over again, telling them her husband was not in the direct line to inherit the Guinness fortune. She told them, like, there's no way he could pay the millions of dollars in ransom. So she's like, you got the wrong person. I mean, who knows if that was true, but she, you know...

She was trying. She has a Guinness last name. Like the captors didn't listen to Jennifer and they kept her in captivity for eight days. So she was finally found after a neighbor recognized Jennifer when she was being taken into a home by her captors. So the story of the kidnapping was like all over the news. And when the police showed up to free Jennifer, it turned into like an all night hostage situation.

Eventually they were able to get Jennifer out and they got her kidnappers and they were convicted. So you're probably thinking like, is it really a curse if Jennifer survived in the end? Well, only two years after the kidnapping, John Henry Guinness was with Jennifer and their children on a walk in Northern Wales.

And John apparently like lost his footing and he like fell 3000 feet off of Mount Snowden. And after surviving her kidnapping, Jennifer and her children watched John like tragically fall to his death. Jeez. So it's like, hey, I mean, like what's going on with the Guinness family today? I mean, are they still cursed?

So one of the current faces of the Guinness family is Daphne Guinness. She's known as an icon of the fashion and beauty industry. But I guess her childhood was like filled with the same darkness as many of her family members.

When she was five years old, Daphne was taken hostage by a family friend named Tony. Tony was at Daphne's home looking for his own mother who, you know, was friends with Daphne's mother. Both of the moms were together out to lunch that day. So Tony, he was like a family friend, so they didn't really think much of like letting him inside the house and like roam around.

But as soon as Tony saw Daphne, he pulled out a knife and like held it to her throat. Tony was 25 at the time, so he could physically overpower Daphne. He began walking through the house saying he wanted to kill all the women. And the family's housekeeper, I guess, like jumped in and like tried to save her. And I guess it works because Tony eventually left the house and he actually ended up killing his own mother the next day.

I don't know. I guess you could say Daphne was just like another victim of the Guinness family curse, but maybe she was the one that actually broke it. Even though her family's wealth is like put her in danger, it was kind of like the thing that actually saved her too. So Daphne became like a major player in the world of London fashion. She was good friends with Alexander McQueen. She worked as a Gucci consultant and created her own makeup lines with NARS and MAC.

Plus she's done like a lot of charity work throughout the UK and she once said quote, "Life is a comedy and tragedy in equal parts and the main thing is to try to pick yourself up and to create something that's worthwhile out of it." I know I was trying to do like the math on how many Guinness family members and friends died under this quote-unquote curse. Look after 12 you stop counting and that's like just the family. It's not counting other people in like their inner circles.

It's really freaky. But throughout their history, the Guinness family has been known for more than just their tragedies or political influence or even beer. From the days of Arthur Guinness, they have always been charitable. I mean, we know that they gave back to Ireland when they helped with the reconstruction of St. Patrick's Cathedral, but they also funded a medical research institute at Trinity College. And on top of that, family members from every generation have also donated to hospitals, universities, universities.

and so much more. And they've even made it like a point to take a stand when it comes to equal rights. In 2014, Guinness even pulled out of financially supporting the New York City St. Patrick's Day parade, but they did so because they want to show solidarity with the LGBTQIA plus community. Apparently the parade banned any pride organizations from like participating in the parade. Lame.

Guinness like made a point to publicly stop or drop its funding. And then surprise, surprise, the following year, the parade changed its mind when Guinness started funding it again. So yeah, seems like they're doing their part. A lot of people today just kind of like talk about the Guinness family curse. I mean, I just did. Hi. It kind of just feels like a made up story that you'd hear about in like

Some kind of like, I don't know, scary book or something? Or a B-movie? But with as much power and influence as this family has had for centuries, maybe it isn't surprising that they've dealt with like this much crap. I mean, who knows how any of us would act if we got the same kind of privilege and access to the party scene like this family has. I don't know. Thanks for listening. And next time you have a pint of Guinness, just remember, you might be cursed too.

Just kidding. Oh my gosh, you guys, you know what? I can't believe I'm saying this, but we've reached the end of season three. Oops, sorry, Joan. Snaps. Isn't that nuts? We learned a lot this season. So you know what that means. Dig up your good bra, find a cute little black dress, pop the champagne, and join me next week for the Dark History Awards show of the season, The Joanie's.

It's going to be fun. I like the Jonis. So come back. I'm going to see you guys there. It's going to be fun. We're going to give out some awards and we're going to learn stuff, huh? Yeah. What are you going to wear? Do you know what you're going to wear yet? I don't know what I'm going to

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make sure to leave a comment below so I can see what you guys are saying and your comment might even be featured in a future episode. Now let's read a couple comments you guys left me. Woohoo! Valerie Jade left me a comment. First of all, don't change a thing. But I want to tell you, I homeschool my kiddo and we watch your Dark History series as a part of our social studies. My son even knows when I click on YouTube, it's Bailey Sarian. Thank you for all you do. Aw, that's really sweet. Uh, should I be teaching...

your kid though. I mean, I think it's great. Like we do a lot of hard work here over at Dark History, you know, and we like come with the facts, you know, and we're learning true history that we didn't learn in high school or school in general. So I think that's good.

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I have not read it, but I'm always looking for good reading suggestions. So I will look into this and see what it's about. Cleansy Frim left us an episode suggestion saying, Bailey, you should discuss the dark history of the Amish community. I think you'd find it super interesting. Smiley face. Cleansy, let me tell you, I go down rabbit holes all the time about the Amish community. Do you watch that show on TLC? It's like

Amish something. It's about the Amish people who like left and like they're trying to go back and they're all it's messy and I kind of can't stop watching it but I also watch a lot of YouTube videos about people who left the Amish community. It's nuts right?

We should do an episode on it. I think that's a good idea. Okay, thank you. I appreciate you guys so much for watching and for engaging. Keep on commenting because maybe you'll be featured. Or maybe you won't. I'm not sure. And hey, if you don't know, Dark History is an Audioboom original. A special thank you to our expert, Dr. Edward Burke, author of The Guinness Story, The Family, The Business, and The Black Stuff.

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