"Kaley Cuoco"
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First of all, though, I would just like to say really fast, happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Oh, Will, happy birthday. Happy birthday, dear Will Arnett. Oh, my gosh. Happy birthday to you. And it's on May the 4th Be With You. Which is one of my biggest regrets that somebody came up with that. Are you kidding? It's the first time I've heard of it. No, because it's just completely...

you know, taking my birthday hostage forever. Not for me. You're lucky you're not born on 420, right? Isn't that what all the kids like to smoke, their weed on the 420? Hey, man, I've been looking for ways for you to sound older. Yeah. And I think we just found it. You know what I mean? How about this? Does this sound older? Yeah.

How about... It's also... But, Jason, for you and me, it's also, more importantly, it's Cinco de Cuatro. It's Cinco de Cuatro. Very big day in the...

People that know about Arrested. In the Arrested Development canon, Sean, so thank you. Sean, thank you for following the show. Speaking of Sean, let's take a moment to celebrate Sean's Tony Award nomination. I know. Don't wave it away. It's a big deal. Thank you. And very well deserved. Good lord, was that show good. Again, just to repeat...

anybody going through the tri-state area, stop in New York City. It's a fun town and there's a great show there called Good Night Oscar at the Belasco Theater. Some people call it Tabasco, but that's just so they can remember it. Jason, do you know what the Tony Awards are short for? Do you know what the actual name of the award is? Anthony's? Close. No. Sean, you know, right? Antoinette. Antoinette Perry Award. Really? Yeah. Yeah.

You know, listener, are you shocked as me at how smart Will every once in a while is? I am. You'd also be shocked to know that he's actually 67 today. And he looks fantastic. He does have a, you do have like an endless well of just knowledge and stuff. I got a lot of time.

I've got a lot of time on my hands. Jason, I said to Jason yesterday, I said, hey, do you want to read this thing that I just wrote? And he said, please don't. No, he said, oh, I'm going to send you that script. I said, please don't. He says, what do you mean? I go, I don't even read my own texts.

He was like, well, thank you for your honesty. I just thought, you know, it's just a fun script. I said, there's nothing fun about reading. He did say that. Yeah, my parents really screwed me. Now, I'm watching Sean there itch his eye. Sean just had what we call ocular surgery. Laser surgery. We don't call it that, but he had a... And I can't read. I'm not supposed to read. He's not supposed to read. And I said, Sean turned to the doctor and said, you can't read. And Sean said, boy, do I have some good news for you.

But he does have a detached retina. So Sean's got a partially detached retina. Jason's got a detached personality. So we have, hey-o. Detach-less. But Sean, you're still doing seven shows this week after Laser Surge. Yeah, I'm not supposed to read or dart my eye around a lot.

That was the direction from the director? The doctor said, don't dart your eyes? Wait, it was his note from the director and the doctor.

And I said to both of you guys, I'm slowly turning into my mother. I'm going to lose my eye. I mean, you better knock on wood. Now, your mom lost her eye from cancer, you said? Not from a detached retina thing? She was two years old. She was two years old? She was two years old when she lost her eye, yeah. Oh, my God.

Yeah, we're still looking for it. So wait. And so I went in and I get vasovagal. Do you guys get that? Excuse me. Hey, man, we're trying to keep it clean over here, dude. What are you? It's when you get nauseous and faint from like, you know, needles or poking at your eyeball. That happened to me once. Oh, I get it all the time. Happened to me once.

So you just go out if you get nervous about it. I am like, I have to lay down. I need a fan. I need coolness. I'm going to throw up. I'm going to shit my pants. We all feel better with a fan around, let's be honest. What about doing the show? Do you ever feel it coming on just with nerves for the show?

No, no, that's different. This is all doctor health related stuff. I passed out getting contact lenses once. I passed out like... I tried like 10 years ago to get Botox and I passed out. But you're trying to get... In fairness, you were trying to get it directly from the cow, right? Give me a second.

Sean, what would have been amazing is if you passed out going in for Botox and you fell and cut yourself and then you had to get stitches and then you passed out while trying to get stitches from the passing out of getting your Botox. I do. I get it so bad. You guys don't get that? No, man. No.

It just occurred to me, we're doing a full talk show. We do a talk show, and right now we're doing the Regis and Kathie Lee patter beforehand, right? What are you talking about? Well, I used to watch that show, and I'm like, how do they come up with this stuff? Regis just comes in with his coffee, talks about his weekend, and it covers as full national entertainment for 20 minutes. I could talk about 9,000 things for an hour. I don't think people are interested, right? I mean, what are we doing here?

What Jason's trying to say is he's not interested in your life. I'm not interested in myself. He's not interested in himself. Let's get to somebody who's interesting. We are going to get somebody interesting, but I do want to say Jason was so grumpy yesterday.

Oh, my God. I was embarrassed. So Jason and I played golf the last three days. And then yesterday, none of us played particularly well. Tuesday, we got to play with football great legend Gareth Bale, who is just an absolute... Soccer for the Americans. Yeah. I mean, just an absolute... You had to be like, freaking out. This guy's a real... I was... God, he's unreal, right? Yeah, you were a little nervous. It was like you were playing with Charlize Theron. I was... Yeah. Hey, man. Just...

Wait, how does it come about you guys just play golf with all these people? They just randomly show up? We host a talk show, bro. Yeah. I know, but I'm just saying like, how do you organize that?

"Well, we met this guy up at some celeb golf tournament." And then that's what happens. "Hey, let's play golf." And then we swap numbers. You know, he's a good guy. Yeah, we do. We swap numbers. We go like, "Hey, man, we want to play golf with you, Gareth Bale." So if Charlize wanted to play golf, you would let her play golf? I don't know. I'm not answering this. Listen, I'm now pleading the fifth. So anyway, I was a real moody-- So he was a grump. He spat out of the parking lot to the point that 30 seconds after he left, I had to call him and go, "Hey, man, are you okay?"

Why, why? He did call me as I was getting out of the parking lot. I was like, oh, no, maybe I pissed him off because I didn't really say goodbye to anybody. I just had to get out of there before I embarrassed myself by, like, going into some sort of I played a bad golf round rage. No, but here's what happened. He went like this. I was putting my stuff in the back of my car, and his window was open, and then as he's putting it up and his car is now in drive, he looks over. I'm not exaggerating. He goes like this. Bye, Will.

and then zip up the window and peeled out. And I was like, fuck, he went dark. All because you played a bad game? Yeah, I just, I play too much to play that badly. And I just need to be more disciplined and I need to actually really, if I'm going to be upset about not playing well, I need to have a reason. In other words, I need to start like really training or something. Jay, I thought about it. I thought about this. And this is not a joke. We joke about this a lot. We're going to get to your guests. I feel badly for them. But I just want to say this.

"You, yesterday," and he does this a lot, "did this the last two days." - Oh. - We're going to-- Everyone's like, "Hey, do you want a little bit of food?" They got a little snack shack and I get like a little chicken salad, maybe a thing. And Jason, the last two days goes,

"Yeah, just get me a cup of sliced apples." That's all he had all day. - No way. - And I'm like, "He's starving to death." That's what's going on. He's literally-- But I still can't shake these five or ten pounds. Dude, Jason, I told Jason, "If he loses ten pounds, I'm taking him to the fucking hospital."

Yeah, you don't need to lose any more weight, Jason. Sean, he ate a cup of sliced apples. That's it. I'm like, that's not enough when you're watching seven months. With a cup of nuts on top of them. Oh, fuck. Don't you get tired during the day from not eating? Yes. Tired and guess what? I came home. You know what I did well? Here's the sickness. I came home. I saw Amanda in the kitchen. She's like, hi, what's wrong? I go,

Nothing, I'm a disaster. I'm embarrassed because I'm in a bad mood because of golf. She goes, "Really?" I go, "Yeah." She goes, "You wanna talk about it?" I said, "You don't want any part of me. I'm going to the gym." So I put on my gym clothes and I went and I ran on the elliptical for an hour and then sweated out in the hot box for an hour.

So for two hours, I just had to get into a deep sweat to get all the rage out of me. By the way, what you don't hear in there is any nutrition going in. I know. That's what I'm saying. His blood sugar is plummeting. That's what I'm saying. Your body is like screaming at you for like, fuck up. Both of you just show it. You don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Let's get to your guest, huh? Yeah. Unless you got some other unfinished... Right, yes, no, I do. I want to get to... Great guest, but I want to remind anybody, if you're interested in what you're hearing, we have actual pictures of us doing this, too. Moving pictures there on Max. Smartless on the road. The doc that...

Me, Will, and Sean are enjoying, but we're a little biased. We're in it. But if you're interested, it's on Max there, our little docu-series called Scaleless on the Road. You know, May 23rd on Max was the day that that's, right? Yeah, yeah. And they all came out at the same time. And you can get all six episodes at the same time. Yeah, if you're a binger, binge away. Yeah. All right, all right, all right. Okay. My guest. Fellas, listeners, do you like funny people? Sure do.

Talented people, kind people. What if you managed to pack that into one woman? Add two scoops of charm and a cup of conversation skills and what do you get? You get our next guest, gang. She's an American actress starring in a new show, which I'm very lucky enough to be a producer on. She's a new mom, an ex-tennis player, and horseback rider. She's a native Californian, a proud Sagittarius, and the daughter of Lane and Gary. Please welcome pure sunlight wrapped in skin, Miss Kaylee Cuoco.

Oh, look at her go. Look at her quokko. Have you ever been called sunshine wrapped in skin? No, that was so sweet. That was a first. Yeah. I was literally very much enjoying your guys' conversation. I was trying to hold my hand over my mouth because I was dying laughing. I'm so embarrassed. You're the only one. Yeah, no. Sean, your disorder, which I think I have, the fainting disorder with the needles. That's really? Yeah.

Yes, 100%. Well, then that gets me into my first question. During my deep research, because I'm a crack journalist, you had a horse riding accident where you almost lost your leg. I'm not exposing anything big here. This was already out. Oh, yeah. How did you deal with all... You're never exposing anything big. Don't worry. Okay.

So, hey, Will, that sounds like a sexual insult. No, that's good. Now, I'm going to let you correct that for a second because it really sounded like a sexual insult. No, I just wanted to interrupt and just say hi, Kaylee. How are you? Hi, Kaylee. Hi, guys. I feel like we've only met once before at something that you were hosting. You were backstage and you were like in a...

complete blackout it seemed like. Oh, I was? Yeah, you had to do a bunch of stuff. She's probably focused. She's professional. I've never been focused in my life. That is shocking. But I'm so glad to be here. I'm nervous. You guys, this is like one of the best podcasts. And my sister, it's her favorite one. And she's like, if you mess this up, she has to do it with me. There's nothing to mess up. This is the best it gets. We're not going to let you get a word in edgewise. Don't worry about it.

Jason's got a big question for you, so settle in. I hope you packed a lunch. So you're riding a horse. You're riding a horse. You're jumping over gates and going around barrels and whatever the fuck you do. And then the horse falls, or you fall. The horse falls on you, lands on the leg.

is stuck on the leg, broken the leg, did you ask the horse to get off? Did the horse get off immediately? - Wait, how long ago was this? - This was a while ago. This was, let's see, it was beginning of Big Bang and we've been probably, I don't know, 12, 13 years ago. - Oh my God, okay. - Yeah. - So guys, she almost lost her leg. - I once asked a horse to get off during a Big Bang.

This is a family show, Will. It's his birthday. He's on fire. You really almost lost your leg on this. Well, yeah, no, it was a bad accident. It was a very bad accident. And, yeah, I had fallen. The fall didn't hurt me. He ended up stepping on me. And I remember, I know. And the crazy part is I remember when I was... Sean's down. And he can't dart his eyes, so he's just screwed. Scotty! Scotty, get the paddles. Oh!

So he said, don't faint. Kaylee, how old were you when this happened? I was, my God, I can't do math. Early 20s? I was probably 22. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so now, but you had to sign something before surgery that gives the doctor permission that once they get in there and they see that maybe we might not be able to save the leg, that you won't sue them if you wake up without the leg.

Yes. It was that serious? It was really serious. So I had to go under. I had to sign something. Yeah, that's exactly right. And luckily I came out and I was... So, but wait, wait. Talk to... Do you remember... You probably don't remember because you were so under anesthesia. But when you first woke up, was your first look down to see if the leg was still there? You remember that? Yes. Totally. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. No, I have a very... Yeah. Yeah.

- What are we talking about? We're talking about it's separated from your body? - I had a compound fracture. So for those who don't know, it's the bone that comes out of your leg. - Out of the skin, hello. - Wait, which bone? - Oh, that's what I've got. - My tibia fibula, so it was near my ankle and my knee. - 'Cause my bone's always coming out.

Will, this is family. Will's always caught with his phone out. Yeah, no, right. That's what it's called. Okay, sorry. I'm going to have to update my... That was almost my first spit take in 150 episodes. I'm going to have to update my dating profile. That's what it's called. You're creating a compound fracture. Yes. Okay, so wait. Don't come in here. I've got a compound fracture. Okay.

So your bone is sticking out of the top part of your thigh or your bottom part of your knee? No, no, no. Ankle, ankle, knee. Okay. So there was two. Yep. Yeah, and so it just was a horrible, horrible, horrible break. Why did you say it didn't hurt? No, it did. Oh, no. It did hurt. Oh, my God. When I fell...

The fall didn't break my leg. My fall wasn't a big deal. He stepped on me and I remember clear as day because it takes a second when something is that bad. I was like, did I just fall on a whole thing of leaves? Because I heard all the cracking. Yeah. So I was like, are there leaves? And it took me like five or ten seconds to actually realize it wasn't just 400 leaves. It was my bones. Yeah.

So what do you have, pins and rods in there now? Yeah, I do. Do you set off metal detectors? No, I always thought I would, but it never happened. Oh my God, what was the recovery like for that? You know what's crazy? So I was shooting Big Bang, it was on a Friday after work, and so I was supposed to go to work on Monday. They put you behind the bar, right? They gave you like a bar job. Yes, I'm like, I have to call Chuck Lorre and tell him right now that I am- The great Chuck Lorre. Yes, the great Chuck Lorre, but you don't want to make that call.

And so they literally didn't think I would like walk for three months. They thought I would not walk for three months. I was walking in a week with a boot. I was back to work in two weeks. It was like miraculous. Wow. Yeah. I mean, you know, they always say the worst. And then I ended up being okay. But like they were very scared. But you still now have, because listening to the story, I'm on pins and needles.

- And needles. Do you actually have pins in there for real? - Yes, I do. - They didn't take those out? They're not planning on taking those out? - No, I went back in years later and I was like, "Is this bad to have in there?" And they said, "Honestly, the surgery would be such a pain for you. Like if they're not bothering you, leave it." So I know. - So can you run and jump and do anything?

Oh, yeah. Do you have fun scars on the bottom of your leg? Yeah, I do. That's cool. I got some good scars. I don't have any good scars. You guys have any good scars? No. It makes you feel like a badass. I fell off the bunk bed when I was a kid and I have it on the side of my head. Oh, bless your heart. Oh, the bunk bed. I've never met a guy that fell off the top bunk. You know, they usually have little bars up there to help. I had a bar online. Although you just confirmed something that I've long suspected. What? That you're a drunk.

That you're a top. Yeah. I mean, I was going to say it, and I was like, you know what, we'll say it. I do have this scar. Wait, Shawnee. Wait, there it is. Yeah, that's called a belly button. Shawn, you have lost so much fucking weight. I'm not kidding. Yeah, you really have lost a lot of weight. I know, but I'll gain it right away. Will, what did I get you for your birthday? Shawn sent me today this fucking asshole. He sent me four large things of ice cream, and he said this is what I use to get fat.

This is what I eat to get fat. Happy birthday. And I'm like, you asshole, because now I've got to eat it. It's calling me. If it's in the freezer. What kind of ice cream was it? It's the best. Haagen-Dazs chocolate and coffee and vanilla. It's the best. Haagen-Dazs. So creative. It's the best. You either go with the best or you don't.

You've gotten into it since then, right, Will? Not this morning. I had cake last night with the kids. We had ice cream cake, because that's my favorite, and yellow cake with chocolate frosting. That's exactly right. Did you use the cake, lady?

No, no. Mercy made it, who is here, and she's a great cake. The cake lady's great, but Mercy makes an incredible cake. And so I will say, because we talked about it earlier, Jason, you going in, I ate the cake. I ate early with the kids, and about 45 minutes after eating two pieces of cake, because one of each. Night, night. I went, no, motherfucker, and I went down. I came down into the gym, and I worked out for an hour. Oh, you did? You have to. Did you zip into the rubber suit?

Of course, I always wear the rubber suit, as you know. We'll be right back. All right, back to the show. Kaylee, you always look so thin. Do you go crazy with junk food at all, ever? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Do you? I mean, you know, I definitely do. You know what else? Kaylee, you've got great skin. I've always noticed that about you. Thank you. Yeah, you've got really nice skin. What?

- Well, that's so nice, thank you. I know it's really nice to have a work thing this morning and not have to do any hair and makeup whatsoever. I was very excited. - You know, that's on purpose. While we get to look at each other, it's like I don't want anyone to have to go, "Oh, new hair and makeup and the whole." - No, it's the best. - I mean, you guys have to look at me, but other than that, no one else does. - Why do you have such good skin? Do you stay out of the sun?

- I don't stay out of the sun. I've got quite a skin regimen, all my little products. - But you were very good about putting on sunblock when you were almost a semi-pro tennis star when you were a youngster. - Always. - Yes. - Wait, what? - Let's get into this. - She decided at 16, I could go this way or we could try acting. - You were a tennis pro? - I did, I played tennis my whole juniors when I was younger. Yeah, that's all I did and I really thought I was gonna be a professional tennis player

When I was much younger. Where was that? Here. Camarillo. Yeah, in Camarillo. And then Southern California. But I traveled all over the country and I loved it. And then realized, oh my God. And I was auditioning and working. And then I got my first show. And I was like, to be a professional tennis player, you've got to really just do that. I thought, I don't know if I can give myself to both. So I was like, I'm never going to play again. And I put my rackets down at like 16. But I played...

very competitively for years and years as a young teen. -Wow. -And traveled all over, and I loved it. Yeah, I loved it. That's so hard. That takes so much training and so much dedication. -I loved it. -Do you still play a tiny bit? So I stopped for years. You know, I think when you're competitive in any sport, it's not fun. The fun kind of leaves a little bit. So to play for fun was not something I wanted to do. So over COVID,

My girlfriend, who is my oldest friend, who was my doubles partner when we were really young, she's like, let's start playing again. So we started playing doubles together during COVID and entered tournaments. It was hysterical. I loved it. Because it's socially distant, right? That's why you could do it during COVID. That's why Will got back into golf. Son of a bitch. Yeah, I heard that you had some rage, but that was an interesting story. Real issues. Which time did you hear about? I don't know.

You talking about the time the guy that did it charges Tesla? That's one of the greatest stories ever. Now, see, now that's a perfect example of me two years ago versus now. I exit myself from the situation before I'm accountable for my mood. That's a way to do it. I will separate myself from people and just deal with it on my own. I will say that he did approach all of us who were playing with him yesterday and said, what?

One by one. I'm not joking." And he said, "Hey, man, I'm really sorry that I've been kind of grinding and cranky today." And he went, and I heard him say it to the other guys. And I thought, "Fuck, this is a new Jason." That's good. That's sweet. It's my beautiful wife, Amanda, who's teaching me how to be a better man. - Kaylee, so did you-- - Kaylee, I have a question about the-- Guys, don't fight. We want to talk to Kaylee so bad. I just want to know if she had rage when you played when you-- Yes. What was your worst moment? Did you ever say, "You can't be serious"?

Oh my God. Are you kidding? I broke so many rackets. I had a real bad attitude actually. Did you really? To this day, you don't want to play Scrabble with me. I am the worst. You don't want to play Scrabble? I'll kick your ass in Scrabble. Exactly. That's how I get too. I lose my shit. I love to win. I don't fuck around. It's not a joke to me. Game night is not, no one wants to let me participate in game night because I don't make it fun for anybody. Do you have a game night going right now?

Like in this moment? No. Because, Shawnee, sometimes you do game nights. I like games. We love game nights. We are obsessed. But again... When you say we, we're talking about Tom Pelfrey, are we not? Me and Tom Pelfrey, we love game nights. Easy on the eyes. What a guy. I love that. Fuck.

Is that your guy? Is Tom Pelfrey your guy? Is that your guy? Tom Pelfrey is my guy. We love game nights. Okay. I met him because of, it's really, I have to thank Jason. They met at the Ozark wrap party, if you can believe that. Oh, really? You were the reason I met him. Yes. Yeah. Now, walk us through this story. Did he know you were coming or did you know he was going to be there? Was there any sort of setup there at all? I don't remember. I knew.

So we have the same, I'm sure you've heard this story a million times, but we have the same manager. And she, the December, that past December, she had said, I want to set you up with someone that I know. And I said, it was too soon after my last relationship. I was like, no, I'm not ready. She goes, noted, fine. So in April, I was going to New York to promote Flight Attendant and my manager, Andrea, was like. Yeah, so you're so good at that. You can edit the applause in later. That would be great. It's in, it's in.

Yep. And we put a little in for Big Bang earlier. Go ahead. Thank you. No, thank you. These are great shows. These are, thank you. Please continue. So,

So she decided to come with me to New York to just hang out. And she goes, actually, I'm going to see my other client there. And she didn't even really say it was Tom. But she said, I'm going to go to the Ozark premiere and it's during the week. And do you want to come with me? And it wasn't... You were like, what's Ozark? Nobody knows what that is. 100%. I never heard of the show. I didn't want to go. And so she said, come with me. And I was like, okay. And I...

went with her and got all dolled up. I knew I would meet him, of course, but it didn't occur to me about anything else. And when I got there,

We were a little late, and so everyone was piling into the theater. I didn't have a minute to meet him, and I was actually standing near, waiting in the line in the restroom. I was faced away, and I overheard, you know, he's got a very sexy voice, Mr. Tom Pelfrey. Yeah, he does. And I overheard him say to our manager, where is this Kaylee? And I turned around, and it was like... She's right in front of you, waiting to take a dump. LAUGHTER

And you were like, don't. That's what I said. Yeah. That's what I said to him. And he thought it was really cool that I was so open. No, I saw him and it was like this very strange, like the world kind of stopped. Really? Yeah. It was really wild. And he gave me this huge bear hug. And like I said, there were so many people piling in and it wasn't a moment to really talk. And so we all just, I was like, nice to meet you. Yeah. I mean, he is real easy with that quick smile, right? He's got a nice, that laugh. Come on. Yeah.

Infectious. And so how many years has that been going on? We've been together for one year. We got pregnant two months in. We have a baby. We were like, boom, boom, boom. Wow. We're in sync. Let's go back to my room. You know, we're not 20 anymore. We were like, we doing this or not? So Matilda is a full month? Two months. She's five weeks old today, you guys. Oh my gosh. Congratulations. Thank you. Wait, you had a baby five weeks ago? Can you believe that? No, I can't. It's unbelievable. It's crazy. I know.

And look at you. You don't look like you had a bed. Like, you're just, you look great. Tom actually carried it. Oh,

Oh, no kidding. No kidding. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's interesting. If a man could... They're very progressive. Honestly, Tom would carry the baby. He is that obsessed. But how do you have energy? Like, aren't you exhausted? Or do you have one of those good babies that sleeps all the time? She... No, she's pretty awesome. Look, I'm not going to lie. We have some very nice help. Yes. I'm a big advocate for that. I feel even guilty saying it. But we have very nice help, which is why I can like... Our relationship is so...

so survived because we have all this with this baby listen oh my god i mean yeah i mean if you can if you can if you got in-laws or whatever yeah just such a big big fan of like it used to be think about this in the old days it used to be people all lived with their families in the old times and you had family around and family would help out and you'd have siblings and parents and grandparents and stuff and it would all and now you're not at the end of your rope

Yeah, and now it's different. And it's great. My mom is here this morning. She was like so excited. I had something I had to do so she could hang out with the baby for an hour. So it's like it's the best. Now, does she mom Matilda like you would or do you guys have like a little bit of tension? Don't start trouble. No, honestly, my mom is the best. And actually, so is Tom's mom. They are like they come in, they help, they don't overstep anything.

Do they get along? Do the moms get along? Oh, my God. We're so lucky. They all oddly look like each other, too, and they've become very close. We're just, like, really lucky. Yeah, you're very lucky. We're very lucky. That's great. I know. I know. Five weeks old. Do you want more kids? Yeah, we do. Sean, are you moving a couple? Yeah, I'm moving a couple. Do you have any links you could send her? Yeah, the dark web. All right, so let's start with now...

Big Bang is something that was a Big Bang, right? It was. That was a phenomenon. Nine, ten, twelve seasons? Twelve. Twelve seasons. I mean, that's incredible. Now, could you have kept going or was it like, you know, this is the right time to end this?

You know, I'll be honest with you, and I've talked about this before. We truly, our group of actors, we thought we were 100% doing the 13th season. We thought, we'll do a 13th, it'll be the last one, you know. And this story is not new. I'm not giving anything away. I mean, Jim really did. Jim Parsons really wanted to be done, and he was kind of the first person to call it. Okay. And we were not, we didn't know that was happening. We kind of all thought we were going to do another season, but...

We heard it at the beginning of season 12, basically after like our second table read, we were told this was going to be it.

And was actually kind of, I mean, as sad as we all were and like kind of a little bit shocked, it was cool because then we had like a whole season to really be in the moment and play. Yeah, it was cool. We could kind of like slowly. It was Jim's show. Was it Jim's show? Originally, yeah. Then it kind of became more of an ensemble. An ensemble show? Yeah, he just was, he didn't, he was done. And we were all just, oh my God, it was so shocking. But then I think over the few weeks, it was like, okay, maybe this is the right thing. And honestly, I mean, for me, I,

I wouldn't have even done, I don't know, flight attendant would have happened. Like the timing was actually amazing. Everything happens for a reason. Totally. So we were, it was fine. But that routine of in front of a live audience, that is a, do you miss that? I mean, it's so good, right? I loved it. I loved the audience. I thought it was, I loved, obviously loved the schedule. It was great. I'm happy now not doing it, but it was so...

such incredible memories. I mean, some of those live shows were some of the best nights of my life for sure. I mean, my dad never missed a tape. He was in the audience every week. Every single evening. He had his own chair at the back of the audience. Couldn't sit in it. The angel could not even sit. He was standing the whole time. And what would you do before each show with a little thumbs up? He gave me a thumbs up for Kurt and Paul every time I came out. And the whole cast would do it too. And the crew. Yes.

The crew started obviously with my dad. So everyone would do this like thumbs up for my dad. I mean, he was there, I'm not kidding, every show night for 12 years. My dad came to...

None of them. He didn't come to any of them. He didn't go to anything. No, he went to Kaylee's shows. Sean, your dad went to every one of Kaylee's shows. He was so wonderful. He drove her dad. He had a chair. He was so into it. Kaylee, how many episodes did you guys do of Big Bang? Oh, my God. You know what? 300. It was something like that. I actually don't remember the number. 22 times 13. Quick. We did 23.

I'm sure there were some years there were 24 and yeah. 250, something like that. It was up there. Yeah. It was up there. 300. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's so impressive and it's so, and I am jealous. Yeah, it's like once in a billion. Not just of the schedule but of like kind of what Jason was saying, like being able to go and do that every week in front of the audience, that's so, what people don't understand is how much fun. Yeah, a live audience. It really is so,

Yeah, it's so fun. Now, when we're a kid and we're at home, we're playing tennis, where did the whole thing for acting come from? Was it Gary or Lane? Lane, am I saying that right? Yeah.

Yeah, lovely. Yes. Were they into acting at all? Like who, how did this come about? No, it was kind of crazy. No, I did a lot of different things when I was younger. You know, my, I would go in auditions. Like I said, I played tennis. I went to, I had went to these camps that I loved. Like it was, I had a million things I was doing. So, and I, it was just, it was smart because nothing ever,

really got me down. Like I wasn't like a child actor who was just acting. Like I just, it was another thing that I did. And then if that didn't, I had a tennis lesson or I went away for the weekend. Like it, they just constantly had me in all these different things. And until it got a little bit more serious. And I remember very clearly they sat me down. I was pretty young. I probably was not even eight or eight or nine years old. And they sat me down there like

This is a real job. Do you want to keep doing this? And there was not a doubt in my mind. I was like, this is what I want to do. Tennis. They're like, are you sure? Yeah. You're talking about tennis? No, sorry. I wanted to be an actor. Oh, yeah, yeah. So keep playing tennis.

Keep doing both. Have the second thing. They weren't comfortable with me just doing the acting thing. What was the first real gig? Were the first real paying like? Cheerios, something like that. I mean, I did do all those commercials. I was the Barbie girl for like two years. I did like a handful of Barbie commercials. I was in every single one. Do you still have them on tape? Oh, yeah, somewhere. My mom does for sure. I want to see those. I was the Oscar Mayer. I sang the Oscar Mayer song. Give us a little. Yeah.

Well, I don't know how to spell anymore. I wish I were an Oscar Mayer wiener. Exactly. Yes. You sang that in the commercial? Yeah, I had to do the whole thing and play against a fake little wiener. I'm sorry.

Anybody? Anybody? I was tossing that up for you, Will. I know. No, no, no. All right. So then you're acting along and was there a thought, well, maybe I should go to college too to make sure I have like a backup or something? No. Did you go to college? Hated school. So that was the one thing. I just was not – grade school, seventh, eighth, I said I asked my parents if I could get my GED and I was very clear. I'm like, guys –

This is not for me. Like, I know my future is not going to be, I don't, I hated school. I just hated coming. I don't need trigonometry. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It wasn't for me. Even when I had to do set school, like the devastation that I had to like leave set to go do school, it just killed my soul. Sure. So they let, they were like, I can't believe they listened to me. It's kind of amazing. They let me get my GED at 16. Well, Gary's very permissive. He was like, go ahead. That's always been the bump on him. Go.

They were so cool about it. I'm such an idiot. Were your parents actors too? No. Oh. No, they were not. My mom stayed home with us since the minute we were born. Jay, how do you know their names, Gary? I'm just, you know, doing bits. You know, I did a little bit of research. I know their names and I'm acting as if I know them. It's fun. Okay, okay, okay. Gary was a realtor. I love to do it.

And Gary was in residential real estate. Oh. Yes, good job. Mostly in the Camarillo area. Yes. Yes? Wow. These are guesses. He was a paramedic firefighter actually for a very long time. Wow. Yeah, went into real estate and my mom stayed home. I mean, my mom truly drove me

All around, like that's all she did was drive me to auditions. Brothers and sisters? My sister, yeah, my sister's three years younger. My sister, Bree. Wanted to do the same thing or no? She did. She loved school, though. She went to high school. She was like a, you know, a little social butterfly. But she's an actor, too. She has an amazing voice. She's incredible. Yeah, she was on Mass, no, not Mass Singer. The Voice. The Voice, yeah, she did. Oh, wow, really? She was on The Voice. Got through a couple rounds. Now, with Gary's history in medicine, do you know CPR? No.

What's funny is we just learned CPR because of this baby. So we had these private CPR sessions, which by the way was terrifying. I don't know if they're showing you how to do like the CPR on the baby. That was, I'm like, I'm never going to remember this, by the way. I'm so traumatized by even doing it on the fake baby. So yeah.

We did technically learn, but I learned it too, but I think I need a refresher because I think I may have forgotten maybe because like you forget one little component. It's useless. It's crazy, right? Sean and Will, do you guys know CPR? No. I don't, but I can guess. But wait, how to do it. But wait. In a pinch? Yeah, in a pinch. I could probably just guess what to do. You just plug the nose, make out with the person, and then pound on the chest. Yeah, you're right. It's a Saturday. Yeah, yeah.

But wait, I always thought it was so crazy in like movies and TV shows when people, you know, are passed out or whatever, dying and people have to do CPR and they're pounding on their chest. How does the actor not like move? Like I'd be like, ow, ow, ow, ow, every time. You know what I mean? You're the worst actor. God. Well, I think that,

I remember we had to do CPR in a scene in Flight Attendant. I mean, they're pretty padded. I don't think we're just socking people in the chat. Sean, do you want to just... This is like a question... Hey, we got a question from the audience over here for showbiz. When you guys are shooting a movie, is it real? What are you doing, dude? I always wondered that. I always wondered that because it looks like... What are you doing? You're pounding. And also when you're breathing, when you're breathing into their mouth in a TV show or movie, and how are you not going...

I went down to give you mouth to mouth on Murderville and you just I thought you were going to let me and then you didn't and then I was like wait you're going to let me I was too embarrassed that was so good Jason I had to give you a pill in your mouth

You had to put a pill in my mouth and I arrested him. And I kept telling him that I hadn't washed my hands. But... This is about Kaylee. I know. This is about Kaylee. Wait, so they put pads on? They put padding on somebody? Can we please escort this guy out of the office? I know.

This is... They put padding on and then you push on the pad? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, and then they'll cut to, you know, his chest and they'll take the pad out. Sean, you know, Star Wars, you know they don't shoot that in space, right? Yeah. And the lightsabers are not... They won't really cut you in half. Hey, may the fourth be with you. God. And we will be right back. And now, back to the show.

Kaylee, were you prepared for the uber success of Big Bang? Like all the fame, the notoriety, the money, everything changed and sort of exponentially every year. Notoriety means something bad. Notoriety means it's bad. Didn't you shoot the pilot like a couple of times?

- A couple times or something? - Yes, I was actually the third actress to join "Big Bang Theory." - Really? - Yeah. - Wow. - They did, I believe, two pilots. - Old Chuck had the thinning shears out, huh? - 100%. - You're out. - Yeah. - Do you know who did it? Do you know the people? You don't have to say their names, but do you know the people who did it before you, the pilot?

I knew one of them. Yeah. I knew one of them. Awkward, huh? Weird. Well, yeah. Well, I knew her later. So it wasn't like she was my friend at the time. I'm like, oh, you got a show. And then I went and took it. But no, I did know her later. And she actually ended up guest starring. She was still friends with everybody. It was all fine. Oh, good. I know. So they shot...

One pilot trashed it, two, second pilot trashed it. And then the third pilot, you were in the pilot? Yes. In the get-go? They kept rewriting it and revamping it. I mean, it was totally changed when I joined. Like, it wasn't what it was at all. And so what is it about, like, this is fascinating to me. What is it about that particular show that they kept throwing money at it and redoing it? And what was it that they believed in so much? Just the concept or, and the actors in it or like...

Whereas as opposed to other shows, you shoot a pilot, it didn't go, they throw it out. It's like bye, right. I remember Chuck did a couple, I know he's talked about this before, but he just like really believed in it and the studio believed in Chuck and he kept saying, give us another chance, give us another chance. Like I can make, I think I'm gonna make this work.

And you know, he's Chuck and he does. He single-handedly kept sitcoms alive for the last 15 years. But he kept saying, I'm going to get this right. I'm going to get this right. And so what about all the fame and the money and the being recognized on the street? Were you prepared for all that? Because the show was enormous.

You know what's so crazy? I feel like my sort of, I hate him in this word, whatever, this fame or whatever. I was such on a slow, like uphill climb. I feel like there are actors who get, like maybe they do, I don't know, they do some huge film or something. Then all of a sudden, right, it's overnight fame and they're like, oh my God. I don't really feel like it was like that for me. Like I've kind of, I've been doing this since I was five years old. Right.

-Right. -Like, not that I was famous back then, but, like, I've always been in the business and I've always done a million things and I've-- It never affected me that, like, I never felt that moment of, "Oh, my God." I knew when Big Bang hit-- 'Cause it was what you did for a living. Yeah, but Big Bang Theory had, like, 30 million viewers a week. Like, it was insane. I know. We were-- I mean, it was awesome. We were thrilled and-- Sean and I did, when we did that show, The Millers, and especially the first season, we were on Behind You Guys.

behind Big Bang Theory for a year. Yeah. And you single-handedly, like, kept us on the air because we had the lead in a Big Bang Theory. We were like, sweet, we could just air some...

dial tone if we wanted. But then you can't drop off a lot, right? Then you got the pressure of trying to hold that number. We did drop off. Yeah, and then they moved us, and then we were like, oh, we're screwed. It was a little phenomenon, man. I don't know. It was huge. It was just massive. And I know, you know who I know? I know a few people, but I certainly know Johnny a little bit. Such a nice guy. Oh, he's the greatest. He's the best. He's such a nice guy. He's out living, like, he's, like, doing his thing now. Yeah, where did he move to? Did he move to, like, Michigan?

- Tennessee or something? - He's in like Nashville and loving it. - Yeah, that's so great. - Yeah, she just texted me. I gotta tell him, I saw you guys, talked to you guys. - Yeah, please say hi to him for me. - I totally love him. - He's such a sweet person. - I know, I know. - All right, so now what you've done is you've somewhat combined your passion for acting and your passion for tennis, although you're letting Chris Messina do the tennis part, but tell us about this incredible new show called "Based on a True Story."

That produced by aggregate. Jason, do you know that, you probably know this, but when I met Mr. Tom Pelfrey, he had this script in his hand. He was reading it like three weeks into dating him. And I go, what are you reading? He goes, I'm reading this based on a true story. I can't do it because I've got another show. Yes. I don't think I know that. And I read it. And I was like, give me that. Let me read it.

He goes, it's so funny. This is obviously a year ago. Yeah, yeah. And I go, oh my God, this is hilarious. He goes, I know, it's so funny. It's Jason doing it and all this stuff. I stole it from Jason's trailer. I can't, yeah.

He'll never read it. He'll never get around to reading it. Well, he was going to play the plumber. He was going to maybe play the plumber. After working with him on Ozark, like anything and everything I heard about or thought about, you know, and people were talking to me about him, it's like, yeah, what about Tom for this? What about Tom for that? He loves you so much, man. Chances are high that maybe that was something I was aware of, but it was one of many. He probably had a bunch of stuff. Isn't that crazy that I was like, let me see that. That's funny, yeah. And I like whipped through it. I said, this is...

this is brilliant. Obviously that was months before I even ever got the call for it and things were written very differently. The couple, you know, had older kids. The story was a little bit different. So once I got the call and I was kind of talking about it with you guys, I was like, I love this so much, but I don't know if,

I would have teenagers. Like we started talking and then Craig, our showrunner, was like, we'll take away the kids. Like they were kind of helping me figure out how this could be. I loved it so much. Plus, I love true crime. I love tennis. I love working in L.A. I was like, I need all these things. This is great.

So the general concept of it. Sounds like a good job. Yeah. So the general concept is that you and Chris Messina are married. The great Chris Messina. The best. We'll hold for applause there. The best. He plays an ex-tennis star. You play a realtor that is obsessed with true crime podcasts. You have a plumber come to the house to fix a toilet played by, ironically,

-Tom Bateman. -Yes. -Fabulous. -Okay, isn't that weird? -Yes. - -And this guy turns out to maybe be a serial killer.

And you guys decide, well, we're not going to turn him in if he agrees to do a podcast with us about his serial killing. I got to see this. And we'll keep his name away from the authorities. No more killing. That's great. There's probably a better way to describe it, but that's the bones of it, right? That sounds great. Wait, when is this on? This is coming. June 8th. June 8th on the Peacock.

Absolutely. Wait, this is streaming on the cock? It's streaming out of the cock. Of course. Yep, yep, yep. Wow. That's what we always say on anything for us. Wait, but that sounds really great. Yeah, I know. It does sound really, really good. It was such a quirky... It was so insane, the story. I thought it was so brilliant. I said, I have to be part of this.

And then like after we had, I had signed on, we got everything going. I came to LA to do some chemistry reads and Jason wasn't there, but there was, the producers were there and I was talking to everyone and I sat them down. I'm like, guys, cause they had written it and it was done and ready to go. I was like, guys, what if this character was pregnant?

Just spitballing. And Craig goes, I'm like, now think, think hard about this. Think about your answer first. Yeah, really think hard because this could really be. And they were like, well, I'm like, no, really? And they're looking at me and they're like, what? I'm like, surprise. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. We were like a month out from shooting, maybe a little longer. But I said, do you think you could write it in? And how many months were you?

When we started shooting, I was five months. I mean, we shot three weeks before I gave birth. Wow.

Up until three weeks before I gave birth. Yeah, so I was five months when we started. So let's say I was like four. Oh, my God. And didn't they say, well, Kaylee, we can delay start of production. Like have your kid enjoy it. And you were like, no, no, no, no, no. Right? I want to do it now. Yeah. Because I also, not only did I want to do the show and I was so ready to do it. I actually not, and also I wanted to, for them to write in the pregnancy, I actually thought it worked for the show. Yeah, it did. And once we all talked it out, it didn't.

I don't remember it not being about this couple being pregnant. Plus the way they wrote it in was so brilliant. Like it never focused on the pregnancy. It just was, I was just pregnant. - It ups the jeopardy too that you're basically working with the serial killer and you can see this big, huge baby bump the whole way through. - Fully pregnant. - Yeah, bananas. - Fully pregnant. - That's cool. - So you were five months pregnant and through till what being eight months pregnant by the time we wrapped? - Four weeks before I gave birth was my wrap day, yeah.

But it was awesome because I got to, I mean, what job? I got to eat what I wanted. I was treated like a freaking queen. I was the best. I wore what I wanted. I felt very empowered. And also like- Comfy shoes all the way in. Yes, comfy shoes.

I've been able to like play my age. I've been in this business for so long that I thought it was cool. Like, okay, now people are seeing me like I'm going to be real about this and I'm going to show that this is exactly what I am and I'm pregnant and it's fine and I'm working and I thought it was like a good thing to do. I don't know. It just felt right. That's cool. I would have killed to play that killer.

I want to play a canoe. He's great. He's really great. Oh, my God. He is great. I can't wait to see it. They're all great. It's a really cool, weird show and very funny. Now, you're very lucky because it's shot in Los Angeles. You're going to be able to bring Matilda to the set if and when there's a second season. Yes? Absolutely. Have you thought about how that's all going to kind of play out? Dude, I would do a second season in a heartbeat. I know.

Let's get it done. Let's get this done today. It was one of the most fun experiences I have ever. I really mean that. That Christmas scene is just a real joy. We laughed. And that's what's fun. We move on after this. But that is real. I mean, the writing is fantastic. Concept's fun and all that stuff. But the chemistry between you two guys is...

I don't know. It's just I do stuff sometimes and people say, hey, boy, how did you guys get such great chemistry? Well, when you have two really nice people, it's pretty simple. Thanks, man. Chris or Sean, Will, don't you guys agree? Chemistry is not a mystery if you're not working with a dickhead. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. It's simple. Chris is just...

People are like, well, they had great chemistry. Yeah, because they're normal, nice people. Right. Exactly. It's good. Right. And it's infectious and it works for the characters too because you guys are kind of aw shucksing while working with a serial killer. Yes. It's,

It's pretty great. No, we had a blast, man. It was awesome. I can't even tell you. I had a question about... Well, I just want to say it out loud. What's it called again? Based on a true story. Based on a true story. June 8th, streaming on the cock. Just so we can say it. Just so I can... Because neither of you can say it, but I can say it. You know? Will has set his calendar. You're ready to do it. Are we having a viewing party at your house, Will? We're going to do a viewing. We're doing it. Are you kidding? Are you kidding? Are you fucking...

Would you, I want to know, I have something. Go ahead, Sean. Do you have like, do you have any kind of desire to write and to be a writer and to write scripts? Direct? Not even a little bit. I think I could direct. I think I would be a good director because I like to get in and get out. Like I don't waste a lot of time. I'm also not every, like it was funny working with Messina who is very, likes to prepare and likes to rehearse and watch every, you know, playback. I, that,

that is not my jam at all. You're in your own. Yeah. I would like to get in there. Why are we talking about this? Let's just shoot it. And then Chris is like, but we have to, what are we going to do now? Like he's hysterical. So the two of us together kind of balance. That was like me with Laura Linney. Laura was very, very prepared, very sort of always the notes and the script and the lines always learned. And like, it was very admirable. Um,

but I just, my brain doesn't work like that. Me too. Very admirable. I mean, my brain does not work that way either. It's just not for me. I know. But they're in, it makes a great partnership. Yeah, I'm not a playback watcher. As an actor, I can't watch playback. So Tracy, what happens here is that you shoot a scene and then you can go to the monitor, a little TV next to where you just shot and they'll play it back for you so you can see what you did good, what you did bad, what the technical

things are you need to look out for then you go and you shoot it again and it'll and it really was initially is not for the actors it's for generally for the director so the director can watch maybe the producers the camera is seeing yeah see what the camera's seeing and they'll be like hey let's get that again maybe there's a bump on the camera move maybe the light wasn't right maybe the wrong line whatever by the way you know who invented or created the the playback who's that show jerry lewis is that right really what huh yeah

Now, some actors will not look at playback and they won't even see the film once it's all done, cut together. And I don't get that. I learned so much about what I did wrong by looking at what I do. Like watching the end product. Yeah. It's like shoot it and go home and then go to the next job. That's me too. Otherwise, you're just obsessed. You're obsessed about like, you know, I

I can't do it. I'm the same way. Maybe I should do that with golf, Will. Maybe I should care a little bit less. Well, let me just tell you, I was going to say to you, I talked about you at great length with Josh last night. Oh, boy. This is true. And I did bring up that you're not, you know Josh. Oh, Josh. He's a friend of ours and we play golf with him. And so Josh, he's a friend of ours. He's a bald fella. And I keep saying that I want him to start wearing a different wig every day. And I said it'd be amazing.

Because he keeps his head shaved. And I'm like, if he showed up every day with a different wig. With a different wig. Oh, my God. That is so fun. Yeah. So, anyway, we were saying, apart from the fact that, Jason, I think you're malnourished and your blood sugar is abnormally low and that that's what makes you cranky all the time in everything you do, not just golf. I think on top of that, you need to stand over the ball and hit it. Right.

And you have too many thoughts. And Jason is known as one of the slower golfers in the Los Angeles Southern Conference. I was so slow yesterday. He was so slow. I was so slow yesterday. And he thinks about way too much. And Kayla, you know, as an actual competitive athlete, that sometimes you just have to let your instincts take over. You just got to go. Yeah. Yeah.

Maybe Kaylee needs to be the person to come play with you and walk with you and be your kind of sports psychologist. Yeah, be my whisperer. I would be so bad at golf. That sport would make me insane. Like, it would make me insane. But you could talk him through. You could be like, Jay, speed it up.

up hit it what about bowling do you guys like to bowl all right kaylee this has been great yeah thank you for joining us today sorry unfortunately somebody decided to capsize the whole thing with some bullshit about bowling

That's a Tony Award-nominated actor. Well, you said Josh is a ball guy, and I'm a ball guy. And then you went to bowling. And I went to bowling, and I like to bowl. Antoinette Perry just rolled over in...

Kaylee, love you. Thank you. Love you, too. You crushed this. I'll see you again. You crushed this. Thank you. This was so great. You guys are a delight. Thank you. You got real good chat on you, girl. If I was a girl, I'd wear a scrunchie in my hair like you do right now. What do you think of the scrunchie? I always do. This is my bit I always do with scrunchies. It's old school. I always go like, listen, guys, the thing is...

- That I think that what we need to-- - I always do my scrunchie bit. - I've never seen the scrunchie bit, Will. - Oh, I've seen the scrunchie bit for 20 years. - Yeah, I'll be like, "Guys, I think the problem is, "look, if we go over there--"

Can we? And I scrunchie my hair. He's gathering his hair. He's doing a faux. He's gathering his hair and putting a faux fake scrunchie in his hair. It's my favorite. I love a scrunchie. Because I have a big 80s scrunchie in my hair. I love it. I love it. Super cute. You guys are awesome. Thank you for having me. Thank you. You guys are amazing. Thank you. Have a great rest of the day. Bye, guys. Bye, Kaylee. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Bye-bye.

You guys, that's just, she's just, that's a real spirit. She's got great vibe, huh? I said sunshine wrapped in skin, but maybe it's spirit wrapped in skin, huh? And some sunshine. She's one of those personalities too that's like a phenomenal actress, but you can tell is a fun person and doesn't take life serious like she does her work serious too. Kaylee was, you know, I've often- Bubbly Cuoco.

Sorry? That sounds like a great beverage. Her name should be Bubbly Cuoco. On ice. Bubbly Cuoco. But Kaylee, she's so great. She was so great on Big Bang Theory and so funny and fun. Yeah, just like a... Yeah, just had so much life to her. And then you think like, well, maybe that's sort of the character. She's like, nope. She is that person. She has...

Great energy, great vibe. Yeah, all the time. You want to hang out with her immediately. You know, by the way, have you ever exited a plane when the flight attendant, when you're leaving and the flight attendant, oh, two or over. It is too early, but go ahead. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, sweet, sweet Willie Arnett.

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