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Joining us now is Cliff Maloney, great American. We're working with him in harmony as he chases ballots in Pennsylvania. And Cliff, there is some breaking news potentially. I know it's not great news for you in Pennsylvania, but for those of us in Arizona, we're going to be talking about

No, it's a little bit different dynamic here. You're founder of Chase P.A. and CEO of Citizens Alliance. The breaking news is potentially, again, this is not yet confirmed, but it's from a very good source that Josh Shapiro looks to be the vice presidential nominee with Kamala Harris. Your thoughts, Cliff?

Yeah, I saw LaCivita's tweet, and if Chris is saying it, I believe it. It's supposed to be a good source. So it's a problem for us in Pennsylvania. You know, look, Charlie, it's not a challenge we can't overcome, but I have to be very honest with your viewers. You know, Josh Shapiro is very liked in the state of Pennsylvania.

And I think this just proves what we've been saying for the past eight months, and that is that the White House runs through Pennsylvania. So it's time for us to double down. It's time for us to stop making excuses. Let's not get excited because the polling shows that we're in the right spot. No, this is the time to actually do the work.

And as always, Democrats will run their machine. They'll turn out the vote in Pittsburgh or turn out the vote in Philadelphia. And so it's going to be up to us to match their tactics. So the Democrats are thinking about this. So let's just kind of get into how they were thinking if it is Shapiro. And if it's Mark Kelly, they think about something different. So let's start with Mark Kelly. If they go with Mark Kelly, who is a popular senator in Arizona, but nowhere near as popular as I understand Shapiro is in Pennsylvania. There's a there's a difference there.

If they go with Kelly in Arizona, that means that they think they have a wide path to the White House and they are bullish on their chances in the Rust Belt and that they believe that they can have three or four different paths. Now, understand, you want to be the presidential campaign that has many paths to a White House. You want many places that can break.

If they go with Kelly, they think that they can win Arizona, they can win Nevada, that they can win Georgia, and that they can get closer in Texas than for people realize. Mark Kelly is a Sunbelt player.

Type of candidate. If they go Shapiro. They believe. That the Sun Belt is unlikely. And the Sun Belt is not. A good investment for them. And they go all in. On a Rust Belt strategy. Such as we have to win Pennsylvania. We have to win Michigan. Or you win a combination of.

not just winning Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, but what if they win Pennsylvania and Georgia? Kamala Harris goes all in on black race politics in Georgia. Shapiro shores up Pennsylvania. And then the path becomes far more difficult for,

for Donald Trump and for the Trump campaign. So if it is Shapiro, it actually means that the Harris campaign sees a narrower path to the White House than a wider one. Pennsylvania is going to come down to trench warfare. Now, Cliff, I will push back a little bit that in modern presidential politics, we have little evidence that a vice presidential candidate wins

Closer and closer to the election ends up being determinative of what states actually go which way. What do you think, Cliff? Well, I completely agree. But this is unprecedented, right? You have a candidate dropping out just a few months. You know, the presumable nominee doesn't even make it to the convention.

And so I agree with you. I think VPs are tough to have some impact. But I got to be straight with you, Charlie. J.D. Vance is a major, major problem for the Harris ticket. Yes. And so I do think you're right. If they go with Shapiro, it shows that they see how much of a threat J.D. Vance is. And it's not just in Pennsylvania and Michigan where J.D. Vance is very well liked.

But it's also these other states where Democrats thought they might have a shot. But with a blue collar, somebody who connects a working class guy like J.D. Vance, I just think the whole entire narrative is flipped on its head. So do VPs typically matter? No, I think the top of the ticket is still going to be the main driver. But when you have somebody like Vance, it shows that they're scared if they go with somebody like a Josh Shapiro to try to figure out ways to create that path to victory.

And so, yeah, I'm playing around with the math in real time here at 270 to win dot com. Even if Donald Trump wins Arizona, wins Nevada and wins Wisconsin, but loses Michigan, Pennsylvania and Georgia, Harris is president. And so it really all hinges on Pennsylvania. You are chasing ballots every single day in the Commonwealth. You are dedicated to this. What is the vibe on the ground? What are you hearing? And why?

With Shapiro, this becomes a race cliff that could come down to 5000 votes. Yeah, it's going to be narrow. Even if we continue to trend in the right direction, it will be narrow because Democrats chase ballots like crazy. Look, what we're seeing on the ground is pretty, pretty remarkable. Since J.D. Vance has been named the VP, I have to tell you, Charlie.

you know, my mom and some of these other folks I talked to in southeastern PA and some of these suburban counties, we're talking middle to late age suburban women. JD Vance connects. You look to Pittsburgh and some of the suburbs out there, the working class people, JD Vance connects. And

And so I think that has been the tone. You look at even just the registration numbers in Pennsylvania since Trump's conviction, and especially since the assassination attempt in Butler, PA. I mean, we now are having a net gain of Republican voters in 67 of 67 counties over the last two months, Charlie. That is the first time that has happened in decades. Think about that. Republicans are having net gains.

In Philadelphia and Allegheny County, over the last two months, when these are the types of numbers you're seeing, we are primed for a win, but we can't sit back on our heels. We have to dig in, and we have to figure out a way that we can go out there, chase those ballots, which is exactly what Turning Point's doing. It's exactly what we're doing at the PA Chase, and folks need to step up, use the Superfeed app, get out there, and

and make sure that every person you know has a plan to vote. That's how we win this thing. So, yeah, I totally agree. I want to reemphasize something you said and not gloss over it. With J.D. Vance as the VP, we almost have a neutralizer of Shapiro. Not totally, because Shapiro's definitely more liked

almost any politician, but we can, we can offset that a little bit. Is that fair to say cliff? Yeah, but you also have to look at it this way. JD Vance is the real deal. He's authentic. Joshua, Joshua Piro is more like Astro turn. He ran his campaign. The guy is a dork. I just, I mean, I don't know. I don't live in Pennsylvania, but please continue. I'm,

I've never seen anything like this. This guy is able to get the radical left to donate and love him. He's able to present himself to moderate suburban Republican women. They adore him. Right. He's able to kind of find all these little circles. But here's what I'll tell you. He's never really had a difficult race. And I hate to say that because I've had friends that have run against him. But the reality is he's never had a well-funded race against him.

And when you have dollars to tell the story of Josh Shapiro versus dollars to tell the story of J.D. Vance, the American people are not idiots. They will love J.D. Vance. You're already seeing it here in Pennsylvania. You're seeing across the country. But as people learn about both of them, I do think that J.D. Vance is a neutralizer.

and even somebody that can gain votes in Pennsylvania with a Josh Shapiro vice presidency. Now understand, Shapiro comes with some downsides too, not in states you're focused on, Cliff. I want to keep talking about Pennsylvania a second.

But this doesn't solve their Gaza problem. This does not solve this whole looming Israel issue. And as as we broadcast right now, Bibi is Bibi is speaking in front of Congress right now. And so that does not just just understand, Cliff, in Pennsylvania, let's talk about Pennsylvania. It's our focus. There are a fair amount of younger voters that are very passionate about the Gaza thing. Is that fair to say? Oh, yeah. I mean, I think the Democrat Party is going to have a Hamas problem.

Right. I mean, I'm expecting protesters at the DNC if it's Josh Shapiro. I mean, they they look at any Jewish individual as the enemy. They are the devil. They are the one that needs to be stopped. And I mean, these folks are radical. And so, yeah, there's a younger population of Pennsylvania that is not going to like having a Jewish vice presidential nominee. And if it means they jump to RFK or they vote, you know, Green Party.

Kudos to them. Right. But we're going to be fully unified on the right. We have this coalition of conservatives, constitutionalists, libertarians. We are all in for Donald Trump and J.D. Vance. The left is now the fractured party if they go the direction of a Josh Shapiro.

I love that. Cliff, your website? Sure. P-A-Chase.com. Looking to hire 120 full-time chasers. We're launching here in September. P-A-Chase.com. It could end up being one of the most important things in the country. Again, if we win Pennsylvania, and even if we lose Georgia, and we win the West, because I'm getting a vibe right now that they're doing Project Forget the West, if this is true.

Project Forget the West would be, we have to win Pennsylvania. We have to win Pennsylvania.

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Josh Shapiro is considered to be one of the more talented people. He was a DA in Philadelphia, was he not, Cliff? Under rise in crime and terrible things that were happening in Philadelphia.

Yeah. And then as attorney general and PA, I mean, you know, his record is nothing. Like I said, he's never really had a tough race. He's never been held accountable for a lot of his records. So I think Democrats, you know, I don't think it's a bad play. Don't get me wrong. I'm going to make things more difficult in Pennsylvania. But by no means is this a challenge that we can't get past. Like I said, he's been everything to everybody. I mean, does that not remind you of Kamala Harris? You know, somebody who's kind of been a

a prosecutor, if you will, somebody in the legal sphere that tries to play both sides of everything. You know, you can't be for Black Lives Matter and defunding the police on the same day. But somehow these people pull it off. And I think the American people can see through that, Charlie. So, Cliff, talk about what you're doing on the ground. What parts of Pennsylvania are the pressure points that we need to emphasize? Yeah, so I think a lot of people assume that we're going to spend all of our time in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. And the reality is we'll spend some time there.

But the missing ballots, if you look back to 2020, we lost Pennsylvania by 80,000 votes and 141,000 Republicans requested a ballot and didn't send it back. Let me say this very clearly for your viewers, Charlie. In Pennsylvania, you have to request a ballot each voting year. So in 2020, 141,000 Republicans went through the pain and the process of saying, hey, I'd like a ballot.

and didn't send it back. And we only lost by 80,000 votes. So our effort, the PHAs working alongside Early Vote Action, Turning Point Action, all the great partners in the state, our effort is about going out to those doors where we have ballots sitting on the dining room table

and banging on their door or going back a week later and saying, listen, we need you to send it in. This is different than general TV ads. This is different than radio or digital. The campaigns are going to run all of that. They're going to drive their message home. We have a specific task at P.A. Chase, and that is to go to the door where the ballot is of an aligned voter. And I hate to use this word, but it's a Democrat tactic. We want to annoy the voter.

to the point of them saying, OK, I'll send it back. And it's horrible to admit, but that's the fire we have to fight the Dems fire with to match their tactics. That is exactly right. And so talk about what volunteers can do to assist this on the ground in Pennsylvania. Yeah, so there's two phases. Phase one right now is about getting low propensity, disengaged voters that we've worked with you guys at Turning Point to identify, getting them to request a mail-in ballot.

Phase two, beginning mid-September, is actually targeting those that have a ballot. That's what we're focused on when it comes to paid ballot chasers. A volunteer right now can download the Turning Point Action app, can download the PHA app, and they can go door to door. They can make phone calls. They can write postcards. They can text.

All the targets of those low propensities in phase one, the people that we want to request a mail-in ballot, you can do that right now. We can have you set up in the next five minutes. You can be out knocking doors. You can be targeting these folks. But the goal right now, between now and mid-September, is to get as many low propensity, disengaged GOP voters to request a mail-in ballot. That's the game the Democrats play, and that's what we're doing right now with volunteers across the Commonwealth.

It's so important. Cliff, in closing here, other people in other states can also embrace this methodology. And we are right up against some deadlines here, right? I mean, we need to hire up. We need to scale up very, very quickly. I have the dates right here. We are 54 days out from Pennsylvania. Early balloting go out in that voting month. We must remember that Election Day is the last day of voting. Closing thoughts, Cliff.

Yeah, I'm excited, Charlie. I hate to put it like that, but being in the political sphere, a lot of times there's reason for doubt. There's reason for being pessimistic. Right now, if you believe in the

principles of the Constitution, this is probably one of the biggest opportunities we're going to have. It's not a guaranteed win, but I will say this again and again, Charlie, you're over the mark. You're over the target. If people follow your lead, that we need to do the work to win, chase the ballots, make a plan to vote. I think in 2024, we have a Trump presidency, a J.D. Vance vice presidency, no neocons on the ticket for the first time in history. And I'm excited to be leading the PHAs.

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Joining us now is Rich Barris, Big Data Polls and the People Pundit Daily. Rich, welcome to the program. Rich, first, your reaction with Joe Biden being pulled out and Kamala Harris being put in. We're in uncharted territory, Charlie. There's nothing Democrats are unwilling to do to win an election. Nothing surprises me anymore, but to toss almost 15 million votes down the toilet. I mean, really what they did was wipe it and flush them, bro. I mean-

It's unbelievable. But it was a last-ditch effort because they felt they were approaching an 08 level collapse. And this is what, like, what difference does it make at this point? Might as well throw a Hail Mary.

So, Rich, let's go into the data. There are some polls that are coming out, like the Reuters poll, that shows a little bit of a sugar high bump. There are other polls, though, and other data that shows that it's actually a mere image of the Biden race. In fact, even worse for Democrats. So, for example, CNN poll has Trump up three.

on Harris. NPR Marist poll has Trump up one on Harris. But however, if it's a five way race, Trump is up three. The Yahoo poll has Trump up three on Harris. When it's a five way, Trump is up two. But the state by state looks better.

What is the data showing you? Are we seeing a honeymoon period for Harris or is that quickly coming down the more polling that we look at? We're going to find out real soon because we're about to enter the field again, because the worst case scenario for Democrats is that this is the sugar high. Right. And I suspect it may be, Charlie, because we have years of data.

pitting Kamala Harris against Donald Trump and pitting Joe Biden against Donald Trump. And for years, she has always been the weaker candidate. I am a little bit skeptical that she would somehow be, you know, that would change to any significant degree. But-

Yeah, people do have to know the power of the media and they're going to cheerlead for her. And that's not how Democrats run campaigns these days. They get their media to cheerlead for them and then they chase ballots. That's how they run elections. So, you know, I think still, however, you know, there are key groups where like the CNN poll, for instance, showed that she was doing a little bit better with younger voters. And that's all the headline talked about. They didn't talk about is that it looks like she's doing worse with older voters.

I called this. I agree. It's more often and more frequently. The risk of a polling error is worse for. Hold on. But it's even worse than that, Rich. It's that states like Arizona have a lot more older voters than younger voters. Right. That's.

That's sort of, yeah. And their memo that leaked to Axios and others, there's Politico's playbook. It says, you know what? We're basically giving up on some of these other Rust Belt states. We'll play in Pennsylvania, which is why there's obviously a lot even more buzz with Shapiro because Pennsylvania is included in their analysis. But we're going to go through the Sun Belt. And I immediately thought to myself, okay, so let's get rid of Saginaw because I've been asking people who will run stronger. Forget about the polls.

Who will run stronger in Saginaw County? Scranton Joe or Kamala Harris, right? And they'll vote. We're not going to deal with Michigan. We're just going to deal with Pennsylvania and Arizona and Nevada. Okay, then fine. Maricopa County, Arizona, where there's obviously a lot of older voters who were squishy on Trump. Let's be real. Let's be honest, Charlie. There's some, you know, 65 to 74 specifically who are squishy on Trump. Who would they feel more inclined to vote for? Joe Biden or Kamala?

Kamala Harris. I would argue easily Joe Biden, even with his conditions. Because, you know, back to your first question, I really think it's important we all keep saying this. Democrats did not junk Joe because he has dementia. They junked Joe because they could no longer hide that he had dementia in the poll and collapsed on him. Everyone knew he already did. But there's still a bit of a sympathy vote there with some of these older groups that

he wasn't really losing, even though it was clear he was in mental decline. So I think that's important to note. I think there are seniors who would rather vote for Joe Biden, who was in mental decline, than vote for a younger Kamala Harris. I mean, he's just got an authenticity that she doesn't have. And he still has a somewhat of appearance of being a moderate that she doesn't have. Whether it's true or not, he still has that appearance and image.

And I think she's going to struggle with those people. So, Rich, help me understand this. I don't quite... I'm not quite grasping it. I see no evidence that they have signs of life in the Sun Belt. Where are you reading that? That seems to be a little bit of a head fake. Yeah. I was... I'm arguing that...

that people who jumped the gun, that that could be a head fake, which means you're not going to get Shapiro. You know, in North Carolina, the buzz is Roy Cooper. If you go to Pennsylvania, I'm sure the buzz is Josh Shapiro. If you go to Arizona, I'm sure the buzz is Mark Kelly. I don't think we know for sure, but I can tell you the internal polling that they did do that kind of led to this last push to get Joe Biden out.

Biden was down and in very bad shape, but Kamala Harris was not doing well in the Rust Belt at all. So they thought that she had a better path through Georgia. And that part I do know is true. I just don't know how much better. And then secondly-

If that turns out to be the case, as you just said, the evidence is scant. And also, that's just not how presidential elections work. You can't abandon one area of the country. Like I'm giving up on the two of the big three in the Midwest, and I'm going to win by running through Arizona and Georgia. You can't do that.

But it's also just on you. The Arizona voter registration numbers. Again, I'm not guaranteeing anything. It's just it's not it's not as easy of a lift. And Arizona has a has a tradition. They do not like radical Democrats. That is a thing. And Kamala Harris is one.

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I do still think that the, you know, you're better off with taking a risk that the realignment with certain black voters isn't as strong as some of the polling suggests. I think it is much more feasible to me, Charlie, that Trump is going to romp in Hispanic areas in Arizona. And it's not just the polling. It's even the, you don't have precincts in Maricopa, but

People still vote by areas. And you can see that Trump did very well in the more heavily Hispanic areas in the primary. It showed there was even evidence that this realignment was real. Even in Nevada, you know, when people who voted none of these candidates, you know, some of the strongest votes for none of these candidates came out of more Hispanic areas of Clark County. So I would gamble...

that that's real and that black voters are still going to be your more loyal bet, especially black women. And I would stick with that, which means you can't abandon Michigan. You can't. And they're not going to apparently abandon Pennsylvania, but it would be easier for her to couple together Michigan and Pennsylvania with maybe Georgia. I don't know. That landmark poll looks weird to me. I think Georgia is probably a problem for her, but she'll be able to hold Pennsylvania.

Virginia, if she goes that route or at least has a better chance. I mean, because remember this state of the race where it is now, that CNN poll, Trump plus three with Trump basically at 50. That's not a close race in the Electoral College, just so everybody understands. And I'm not trying to sow complacency because Republicans should not be complacent ever. But I'm just telling you, it's very important. This is important because the national polls mean nothing, but they mean something.

So they mean nothing in practice, but they mean a lot in projection. So in or so Joe Biden won the popular vote by four points in 2020. And he held on to the Electoral College by 40,000 votes. So a four point national win was a 40,000 vote advantage with all the crap that we saw. Let's be honest. Right. All the nonsense.

And so if Donald Trump is enjoying a two point, a one point national popular vote advantage, how does that manifest in the key states? Which let's just remind the audience here. The Trump campaign has not run a television ad. The super PACs have yet to be activated. And there are we know this is public anywhere between three to four hundred million dollars in bank accounts that will be deployed. And I'm glad they waited because it would have been negative ads against Biden.

There is a ground game that will be better. Can you comment on all that, Rich? Meaning the state of the race, if this is their sugar high, wait until there's $250 million of ads micro-targeted in Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania on the cackling communists.

It was, it was smart. Some of the money that we looked at and we even talked about on our show, Charlie was like very targeted. So black radio in urban areas and it was general, it didn't run against Biden ran against, you know, this was the record I had. And this was the black experience under my presidency. And, you know, they talked about which was smart because that's really running against a generic Democrat. But once they start to implement this, um,

They really have been keeping their powder dry. And by the way, what does it mean when they have a lead like that without an ad even spent? It means that, again, if I was Kamala, I would not gamble on the Hispanic vote. New Mexico could be close. I'm not kidding because it's 40% of the vote is Hispanic. So if he's doing this well with Hispanic votes, he winds up carrying whites.

New Mexico will be a close race in a poll like CNN, the one that just came out. Maine is going to be close. I mean, I don't know if people understand how bad that is for Democrats. And that goes back again, goes back to what I was saying before. I just think they thought, Charlie, that with Biden, those states were going to go or could and likely, you know, so that they didn't want to, you know, they didn't want to take that risk. And at least with

Harris. They have an excuse. You know, they don't have to, I want, I want to explain this to people. They don't have to answer for what they did in 2020. And then through the law fair, if they get rid of Biden, they can make an excuse as to why they lost with Harris. And if they were to have kept the status quo, Biden was the symbol of all of that.

It would have been a repudiation of them and their behavior and their actions and their policies. So this is giving them a little bit of a way out. Here's another thing with Hispanics. Hispanic men have a hard time voting for a female. I'm just being honest. It's a cultural thing. Yeah. No, I mean, I'm not saying I support it. I was going to say that. I'm not saying I support it. It's a thing. By the way, in the Mexican government elections recently, they had two females running against each other. So that's not applicable. It is a thing in Latino culture meant.

Latino men typically will have difficulty voting for a female to run a country or a government. That is a cultural reality. And I don't know if the Democrats know that or not.

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You know, I like it that way. So there's a lot happening right now. And by the way, the betting markets are so funny. Now Mark Kelly has retaken the lead as the vice presidential selection. So it's all over the place. Unpredicted. It was Shapiro and then it's Kelly and then it's Shapiro and then it's Kelly. It's all over the place. So let's talk about J.D. Vance. J.D. Vance is a vice presidential selection. How does he help Donald Trump in the Rust Belt?

I am a big believer, and I want to be consistent here, because it doesn't matter if Kamala Harris picks Shapiro. I don't think it will help that much in Pennsylvania. The strongest case for VP nominees making an impact is LBJ with JFK, of course, with the state of Texas. But that is one of the strongest cases when you look at the historical record. What I think matters about J.D. Vance is two things. One, it tells the administrative state, you can't replace me.

You may really regret it if you replace me. So I think that was a different decision Donald Trump had to make this year. But also, obviously, it sets J.D. up. And I think that J.D. is more, I call him the most representative U.S. senator in history.

On Capitol Hill, Republicans don't have very good representation in the House or the Senate, and J.D. represents the future of where this party is going and I think is unique in doing that. Ohio is not – it's not really accurate to say that Ohio is a red state or a Republican state. It's a Trumplican state.

If you went back to the party of George Bush, Ohio is going to get real close real fast. Same thing with Iowa. So I think that's the importance of J.D. and why it helps him on the ticket. I just think that we got to remember that the top of the ticket has got to carry the ticket. And that's the way it's always been. It's the way I think it's always going to be. So as we kind of close out this conversation here going into August, this is a long, long race, Rich.

If you were advising the Trump campaign, what issues, what places, what type of tone...

And let's not forget Trump getting shot, which I think we still don't quite know the long term implications of that. Trump has yet to run a television ad of him with that very famous fist up, which you run that on every male dominated media. You're going to run up the score. What places, what message, what emphasis should the Trump campaign embrace right now?

I would. The first thing that immediately I feel like I'm obliged to say here is that you are doing better with nonwhites. You cannot talk about Kamala Harris the way the base talks about Kamala Harris. So people are and I know just from conversations already, we already started engaging with voters.

They don't like that she's unqualified. That's fine. They are very upset that she obviously knew about Joe Biden's mental decline and she was part of the plan to dupe them. I mean, there are people who knew it but didn't know it was this bad.

And that is something you can hit her with. The border is something you can hit her with. The fact that she's just unqualified to do it. Have your surrogates, however, do the dirty work. You stay away from the stuff that sounds like red meat. She has plenty that you can hit her on that is normal stuff. But I really, as far as places go, I honestly, I'll tell you what, Charlie, if this poll comes back,

and she ends up doing significantly better, I would be shocked. I really would, honestly. I think that the map remains the same, and I think the plan remains the same. This is a long-term realignment. I think Harry Enten was right on CNN when he said Kamala may be doing better with certain groups, but she's fighting against a realignment. So as long as the Trump

campaign planned to run a campaign that really exploits that realignment. I'm talking about younger voters, Hispanic voters, non-white voters. He's already got her down at 28% with white working class. Move on to the others and appeal to them. Stick to the game plan. And I really don't think, I mean, they could put up

10 other people and there still would be an event. We should embrace. We should embrace boomers coming home. They vote in huge numbers. Oh, yes. And they are determinative. I'm telling you, this is a very good development. Yes. Maricopa County folks. How about Clark County? First thing.

Clark County, all across Wisconsin. This is a very positive development. We're going to lose more with Gen Z women and maybe with black women that might show up in bigger numbers. We're going to gain with men. We will gain with Hispanics and we will gain with boomers. And one boomer voter,

they show up in greater numbers than younger voters. Rich, thanks so much. All the best, my friend. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.