Will Christians Hand Kamala the White House? ft. George Barna
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Hey everybody, some great news out of Arizona. The final push for voter registration. I explain the importance and the weight of voter registration and why it matters. Email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com. Subscribe to our podcast. Open up your podcast application.

and type in Charlie Kirk Show. Become a member at members.charliekirk.com. That is members.charliekirk.com. So check it out right now, members.charliekirk.com. Get involved with Turning Point USA at tpusa.com. George Barna also joins the program for a chilling warning about Christians. He argues that Christians are about to hand the White House to Kamala Harris. Listen to this carefully, intently. Text this to your pastor. Text this to your friends.

Are you willing to hand the White House over to someone who believes in the medical mutilation of children that would reverse pro-life laws across the country, that would investigate Christian and Catholic organizations, who would take your guns away, keep the borders open, and we have 320,000 child sex slaves in this country? Christians are about to hand the White House to Kamala Harris. George Barna, very well respected, comes with the data. He proves it. Listen carefully, and then text it to your friends, and do something about it. Get

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The last five or six election cycles in Arizona, and albeit across the country, Republicans almost always lose last minute voter registration. Now, let's take a step back. What is voter registration? Why did I bother you guys so much for the last nine months about voter registration?

Voter registration leads to voter rolls and the original sin of faulty elections is found in our voter rolls. Are you guys upset that people are voting that shouldn't be voting?

It's because our voting rolls have not been cleaned. Are you upset there's a lot of people that agree with us that don't vote? It's because they're not on the voting rolls. Are you upset that a lot of people are getting ballots that shouldn't be getting ballots? It's because the voting rolls have not been maintained. Voting rolls, which of course are a byproduct of when people register to vote,

is the central infrastructure of any election. It's where all of our energy should be. If you want to clean up our elections, if you want to make sure that they do not do 2020 all over again, it should all be about challenging the suspicious voter registration individuals on voting rolls and adding legitimate new Trump supporters on the voting rolls, that one-two combo. Now, Michael Watley and Laura Trump and the RNC, they're doing the list maintenance.

We at Turning Point Action have been about addition. So understand that for the last couple of election cycles, Democrats have dominated when it comes to voter registration. Here's how it typically works. Voter registration in the last 30 days before an election is very predictive.

Here's how the logic works, and it turns out it has been true the last 20 years. If somebody all of a sudden says, oh my goodness, I got to go register to vote, that means they're registering to vote with intent. They have a candidate in mind. They want their voice to be heard this election cycle. Someone who registers to vote in the last push has a much, much higher likelihood to vote than someone who even registered to vote back in January.

So, for example, yesterday in Arizona, when a plumber or a welder or an electrician says, I got to go register to vote, it's almost like a mini vote, if you will. It's almost as if they're voting early without actually voting in the sense that they're showing their hand. The last minute voter registration push is a prelude.

It is a canary in the coal mine. It is a preview. It is a coming attraction of the spirit, the energy, the enthusiasm. It is a sneak peek of what the electorate will look like come into November. Now, mind you, Democrats in the 2022 midterms slaughtered us in last-minute voter registration. Democrats in 2022 dropped a nuclear bomb on us when it came to voter registration. We were so obliterated in 2022 voter registration that

It was hard to even keep up. I mean, we were losing on margins 10 to 1 sometimes in voter registration during COVID, during the race riots. What happened yesterday? Well, at Turning Point Action, we deployed our hundreds of full-time people, specifically in Arizona, but also in a national campaign to make sure that the last minute push of this voter registration season is not a bloodbath.

Now, understand, Democrats are supposed to, in general, have a registration advantage because people who turned 18 should be way more Democrat. But that advantage is fading. Understand, in the state of Arizona, which, of course, is our passion, our focus and our, dare I say, our obsession.

In the state of Arizona in 2020, Republicans had more registrations than Democrats by 100,000 voters. 100,000 more registered Republicans than Democrats in the state of Arizona in 2020. And that was decreasing and shrinking every month. April, May, June, July, August, September, October. At the very end, Democrats would dump and flood the system with voter registration forms.

Yesterday was the last day of voter registration in Maricopa County, which is the only county that we have accurate data from right now. Yesterday, Democrats added 2,000 new voters in Maricopa County. Republicans...

We added 4,000 new voters in Maricopa County. We outregistered them by 2,000 voters in Maricopa County yesterday. In fact, in just Maricopa County alone, not statewide, that does not include Yavapai,

Pinal, Yuma, Cochise, La Paz, Mojave. It doesn't include Apache. It doesn't include all of these amazing conservative counties across the state of Arizona. Just in Maricopa County, we now have 173,000 more registered Republicans than Democrats.

In the state of Arizona, 173,000 more registered Republicans than Democrats. Remember, voter registration right before an election is a sneak peek. It is a coming attraction. In just Maricopa County alone, we have 73% more increase of registered Republicans than Democrats than we did in the entire state in 2020.

And yesterday we saw the Democrats did everything they possibly could to dump forms at the Maricopa County office to try to run up the score. But what we were doing at Turning Point Action and the organic thrust was too much for them. I'm still getting the final reports from Tyler and the Turning Point Action team. But the final reports that we are seeing show that yesterday we were responsible for online and in-person 3,000 new Trump voters voting.

in Arizona alone. I'm getting that number double and triple checked, but just turning point action. That's 30% of the deficit of what Donald Trump fell short of in 2020 in one day in Maricopa County. But it gets even better than this. It gets even better.

Because statewide in Arizona, we're going to tabulate the final numbers. It looks as if we'll land around 300,000 more registered Republicans than Democrats statewide in the state of Arizona. If that ends up being correct, that would be triple the registration net advantage that we had in 2020. Now, by no means does this mean that we are going to win, but this does mean that

that our likelihood of winning has increased. And even more importantly, the raw material, the infrastructure, the table is set for us to now do the work to win. All this means is that the infrastructure and the terrain to win is more in our favor. That's all this means. It does not mean that Donald Trump's going to win. It does not mean that he's going to win Arizona automatic automatically. What it does is it sets the table now for,

for the greatest ballot blitz in the history of Western civilization. Last minute voter registration is a little bit of a sneak peek of what is to come. And for the first time in nearly 20 years, we beat the Democrats.

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So, yeah, I'm just messaging with Tyler here. It looks as if 3,000 new voters for Donald Trump were registered thanks to Turning Point Action yesterday just in the state of Arizona. And, yes, there's so much news today, by the way. We have amazing guests. I mean, Kamala Harris is on this press tour.

Oh my goodness. There is so much there to get through and the cuts are remarkable. And I just want to say one last thing here, which I think is really important, which is the work that have that Scott Pressler has been doing, that turning point action has been doing that Tyler, that Brett, that the entire team, that the entire turning point infantry is doing, uh,

It doesn't guarantee that we are going to win, but I guarantee you we would have lost if it wasn't for all this grassroots hustle. And it puts us now in a situation where the table is set for us to go take victory, for us to go run through it. Again, we warned you this was World War I trench warfare, that this was going to go, get your shovel, get ready to go dig a trench. That's what this is. Two steps forward, one step back, three steps forward, four steps back. And we're used to it.

And now the table is set. And tomorrow, ballots get sent out in the state of Arizona. Ready, set, go. The voter list is set. And just yesterday, I have the text messages to prove it. I personally registered three people to vote yesterday. I personally, one person came up in the morning, asked for a selfie. I said, register to vote. Oh, I'm from another state. I don't know if I have an ID. I said, no, no, you can go register to vote in person. Get a utility bill. Get your passport. Go to this address. And I harassed that person all day long. And to his credit, he went and did it.

And also, you remember I told you the story about the guy that refused to vote, the registered vote yesterday? Refused, refused. Got him registered yesterday. After the 24th time of nagging him, he is registered to vote. There's no excuses. And by the way, all of you guys right now in states that still have voter registration, you got to be tenacious. You got to be a little bit disagreeable. Don't take no for an answer. So what's the matter if you're not voting?

What kind of a loser are you? Register to vote. Take out your phone. tpaction.com slash vote. Five minutes. Save the Republic. Request a mail-in ballot. Let's go. Let's get our act together here. We have the energy right now. So right now, the voter registration numbers are telling me a story. And then if I build out the formula, I'm starting to see a picture here.

voter registration numbers plus Kamala Harris all over my television. This is a person who we mocked for 40 days that refused to take talk to the press. It's because she refused to talk to the press because at the time her polling looked good. She had tons of money and she didn't need to talk to the press. But all of a sudden you now have the voter registration numbers, which is like a mini poll. It's a sneak preview. It is a coming attraction. It's a harbinger, a canary in the coal mine. And then you have Kamala Harris out there talking to 60 Minutes.

talking to The View, talking to The Sex Woman, The Daddy Podcast. And what is this all about? This is a campaign that is increasingly not confident. This is a campaign, the Kamala Harris campaign, that is not acting within the parameters of the typical play it safe, put Joe Biden in the basement strategy. No, this is a campaign where

They know that if they don't start to play to win, that things are not going to go well for them. They see the voter registration numbers. They see themselves getting slaughtered in the Maricopa County dumps. They see themselves increasingly in Pennsylvania lose every six, all 67 counties and voter registration numbers.

So there's so much to play here and so much to go through. It's hard to even grasp all of it. But the one that I want to emphasize is Kamala Harris went on The View, which, again, I mean, can she do more female-centric media? I think Kamala Harris's new plan is just go win 70% of women voters. Now, to be clear, that's not going to happen.

Yes, you will get a fair amount of female voters. You'll win the female vote. But there are millions of patriotic women in this country, moms, grandmothers, and even single women who love the country and they can't stand Kamala Harris. And they are a lot smarter than I think Kamala Harris gives them credit for.

This right here is the one that should be played on repeat. Ryan, every cold open from now to the election, I want this in the cold open. Every cold open. I want this thing on repeat. I want this ingrained into the muscle memory of this audience. Listen to this. This is Kamala Harris telling you. Now, this is one of the dumbest political answers. This is why they've hit her. This is why they didn't put her out on the tour. Kamala Harris here doesn't realize 28% of the country

disapproves of this, doesn't think the country's going the right direction. But she says nothing's going to be different. Play cut 40. Well, if anything, would you have done something differently than President Biden during the past four years? There is not a thing that comes to mind in terms of and I've been a part of of of most of the decisions that have had impact. Yikes. You see, this would have been a great opportunity for her to say, you know what?

She should have said, I would have acted quicker on the border. That would have been a real fastball from her. That would have been good. That would have been good. Or she would have said, to be honest, I think we should have attacked prices quicker. Instead, she is going the party line and telling you nothing will change. The borders remain wide open. The lawfare will continue. The wars will increase.

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Okay, really important guest coming up here. We have George Barna, Director of Research and Culture Research Center at ACU Arizona Christian University. George, welcome to the program. George, please inform our audience and take some time to go into the findings of the survey that you publicized yesterday regarding Christians and their perspective on this election, please. Yeah, thanks, Charlie. As we look at what's coming up in the election, what we're finding is that

Much lower enthusiasm about the election among people of faith, which is leading to a projection that we're going to have tens and tens of millions of devoted Christians who intend not to vote.

So you can look at theologically defined born-again Christians. We're expecting that there will be about 41 million theologically defined born-again Christians who aren't going to bother to vote. Now, when you look at turnout levels, when you look at vote projection levels, that's a game changer right there. And when you look at who those people would be likely to vote for,

By a large margin, they went back Mr. Trump. By their refusal to show up in this election, what that basically says is that Mr. Trump is going to be very, very hard-pressed to win. That's a segment that he's been able to rely on. It is prior to election campaigns, but he can't really rely on them now. Now, one of the things that the survey showed is that part of the reason for that

is that the churches that people of faith, that regularly attending self-identified Christians, theologically defined born-again Christians, people attending evangelical churches, these were all the groups we were looking at where we've got tens of millions who are not going to vote. Well, we looked at what are their churches doing about the election, and what we discovered is that by and large, their churches don't want to get involved.

What we found is that only 56% of Christian churches in the country have even bothered to encourage their people to vote. Now, we did other questions in the survey that found that that would motivate a large number, millions and millions of Christians. It would motivate them to vote if their pastors said, look, voting is a responsibility of a responsible Christian.

And so I'm not going to tell you who to vote for, but I'm going to tell you, do your homework, check with the scriptures to see what the Bible teaches about the issues, pick the appropriate candidate and vote. That would bring out tens of millions more Christian voters. And yet our pastors aren't even willing to do that.

So we've really got to pull it together in these last few weeks, the election, where Christians can make a huge difference.

either by staying home or by actually voting intelligently. There's a lot there. And so I want to first ask, how does the enthusiasm that you are measuring and modeling compare to prior presidential elections? Well, you know, we have this algorithm that we use to predict turnout based on number of senators.

And so we look at things like interest in the election, intent to vote, knowledge about the voting process, knowledge about the candidates.

Those types of things. And what we're seeing is that all of those measures are down from prior years compared to 2020, where we had an unusually high amount of interest in almost all of those indices. What we're seeing is we're probably down between five to 10 percentage points in each of those measures. So that's what's contributing to the fall, the decline in projected turnout.

In the last election, we had about 61% of voting age adults who turned out. We're projecting that in this election, that's going to drop from 61 to somewhere down to 53 to 55%.

So let me ask, though, if the general population will decrease from 61 to 53 to 55, are evangelicals down more than other voters? Because if evangelicals decrease in enthusiasm alongside the general population, then it will basically be a wash. Can you speak to that? Yeah, that would be the best case scenario at this point. Right now what we're seeing is that

People who are committed Christians, biblical Christians, disciples of Jesus, evangelicals, sage gods, spiritually active, governance engaged, conservative Christians, whichever those segments you want to look at, what we're finding is anywhere from 10 to 25 percentage point drops in enthusiasm about this election.

it likely to turn in for this election. So, yeah, if it were a wash, I wouldn't be as concerned. It's not. We're dropping at greater levels. And that's what's raising the alarm. So you say 41 million who will not vote. I want you to also explain in your survey you explore as to why. What are the reasons for?

that born-again Bible-believing, church-attending Christians, many of whom who have kids and families, that will have to live with the consequence of this election. What are the reasons they give you as to why they will not vote? Well, what we're hearing from about two-thirds of them

is that they're just not interested in politics or they're not interested in this election. We've got a majority of them also saying that they dislike both of the major party candidates. We've got a majority of them saying they don't feel that either of those candidates represents their most important personal views on issues in the election process.

About half of them are saying that they don't feel that their vote will make a difference anyway. We've got half of them saying that the election is too controversial. They don't want to get involved. By the way, we're finding that born-again Christians are less likely than any other group that we're studying to

to talk to people who they believe will vote differently or think differently than them about the election. They don't want to even bring it up in discussion.

And so they're really distancing themselves from the possibility of being influential in this election. And then you've got almost half of them who are saying it wouldn't matter if I voted because the election is rigged anyway. And you've got about half of them who say, and I can't get accurate information about the candidates. So I don't really know what I need to know about the two candidates.

So I guess a question I have, George, is how much of this would you say is because church attendance has declined and the church is not as strong as it was before all of the lockdowns? Charlie, I think that contributes to it, but I don't think we can only point our finger at the decline in church attendance. I mean, what we're finding is among people who are regularly attending Christian church meetings,

You know, we're fighting that 32 million of those people say that they're not going to turn out to vote.

And when we talk with those people, they're telling us, well, the church isn't saying anything about the election. They're not encouraging me to vote. They're not giving me information about what the Bible has to say about the issues that are relevant to the election so that I can choose the appropriate candidate. So it's a mixture of, yes, some people are dropping out of church, but among the Christians who are still attending church,

They're not being advised that it's a Christian's responsibility to vote in an election, that we're called to be agents of influence in our culture, in every dimension of that culture. And that includes politics and government and public policy, whether we like it or not.

Maybe we don't like business, but we're called to be influential in business. Maybe we don't want to dirty our hands with what's going on at school board meetings and in public schools, but we're called to be influential players in that because those places are influencing the worldview of our children, the worldview that they're going to take with them for the rest of their life.

So it doesn't matter whether you enjoy the process of being a cultural influencer. God has called us to play that role. And so whether we like it or not, we better do our homework, put on our big boy pants and get in the game.

I have a text from a pastor yesterday who refuses to vote or get his friends to vote, saying that we must punish Trump and punish Harris for not being biblical and not being engaged with biblical worldview issues. I have the text right here. It's awfully sanctimonious. George, I just want to repeat one thing you said earlier so that people can

absorb it, because I think it's very important. If your numbers remain the same and there's no improvement and there's no surge in enthusiasm, is it fair to say that Christians staying at home will hand the White House to Kamala Harris? Yes, I believe that's exactly what's going to happen. Again, when you look at who the different segments of the population would vote for, if they would vote,

What we see is that the born-again Christians, the Christians who are churched, the people who attend evangelical churches who are planning not to vote, by large margins, more than 20 percentage point difference, they would be voting for Mr. Trump.

So by staying home, they are essentially saying, yeah, we're fine with Kamala Harris winning the presidency. We're fine with the Democrats taking over the Senate and the House in next January. We're absolutely fine with school boards across the country putting in people who would have an agenda to indoctrinate our children into

with unbiblical perspectives. And let me also just say, because it burns me up, that email that you got from the pastor saying, we need to punish Trump and Harris because they're taking biblical views. I'd love to ask that pastor, so what are you doing with the people in your pews to punish them who don't have a biblical worldview? Because my research shows that in churches all over the country, a majority of people

Bible-believing churches, allegedly Bible-believing churches, whether they're evangelical, whether they're fundamentalist, whether they're charismatic, whether they're independent, whether they're Bible churches, across the board, we're showing that large majorities of the people sitting in our churches week after week do not have a biblical worldview. What's the pastor going to do about that?

Well said, George Barna. Come back anytime. As George Barna said it crisply, if his data is correct, even a little bit off, Christians will hand the White House to Kamala Harris on a silver platter. And we know what happens after that. It's on the church. And right now, the church is giving the keys to the kingdom to Kamala Harris. George, thank you so much.

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Okay, I want to riff a little bit on that conversation we just had. So that is not just some random schlep that we put up on the screen and an interview with. That is one of the most reputable...

and respected pollsters and market researchers in the country when it comes to the Christian population. George Barna has been doing this for over 40 years. Of course, he started the Barna Group. He sold it. He has authored well over 50 books. He is proven time and time again to pinpoint with chilling accuracy, the enthusiasm and the energy of the Christian community when it comes to politics.

Now, could he be right? We don't know for sure, but he's not just talking out of his tail here. This is a guy that has a lot, a long track record to show that when George Barna warns you about something, you better listen. And I have a group text message of these wonderful pastors that I just adore saying,

many of whom are just so livid with Trump. And I think they're going to vote for Trump, but they're certainly not going to speak on behalf of him. They're certainly not going to say anything positive. They're not going to mobilize their congregation when in prior election cycles in 2020 and 2016, they will, they would have. So what is going on here? Well, number one, there is some consternation, somewhat understandably, but not really about the abortion thing. I get it. I'm 100% pro-life.

I wish the country was more pro-life. So a lot of people are emphasizing that issue. Secondly, a lot of the George Soros-funded evangelical propaganda is wearing people down. It's wearing weak Christians down. And most importantly, pastors are not leading their flock in a biblical matter. But here's the truth on the pro-life thing. This is the most important election if you are pro-life. This is the first time there are serious pro-life laws that will be repealed.

If Kamala wins, you realize that if Kamala wins, the serious pro-life laws in Oklahoma, in Georgia will be gone. And unfortunately, many of the pastors I talked to, they say, so what doesn't matter. So I said, what kind of point are you trying to make here? Do you actually want to protect the unborn? Are you just trying to say that you're a better Christian than Donald Trump? Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, North Dakota will all be gone.

The majority of American pastors are not speaking out at all on this election. They won't speak out against the transmutilation of our kids. They won't speak out on the 320,000 kids being sex trafficked. They won't speak out on our open borders. They won't speak out about the wars that are happening. I thought it was a specific scripture, blessed are the peacemakers. Most pastors couldn't care less about that. Most pastors are too busy expanding their wardrobe budget to be much bigger than their book budget. They run churches that are much closer to

auditoriums of motivational speakers, speeches that look like TED Talks with a rock concert, organized parking, and good coffee. You see, the problem here is that the American church has not been a strong, resolute organization for quite some time. It is afraid. And I visit a lot of these churches. They're terrified. And so here's the reality.

If American Christians do not wake up and pastors do not boldly speak out every Sunday from now to the election, this country might be lost. This last weekend, a clip was sent to me of an amazing priest in Scottsdale, Arizona, Father Klein.

spoke out for 15 minutes about the slaughter of the unborn and why Christians need to rise up and vote this election. God bless him. Father Klein, Scottsdale, Arizona, St. Bernadette Church. He did a great job. It could not have been a better homily. There are a lot of pastors doing the right job, the right work. But George Barna is not just some rando that we put on here. This guy's been doing it for 40 years. God revealed himself in Butler.

How many times do we need to emphasize that there are civilizational defining issues on this? And if we lose, if we lose, it'll be largely because pastors and Christians arrogantly say to God, we don't care. We're more religious than Donald Trump. I hope they enjoy the gulags. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.

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