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The Debrief with Shawn and Katie | #004 Nick Kefalides

Publish Date: 2020/7/21
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I knew that I knew who was responsible for that attack on our own soil and I just wanted I was out for blood all right 004 is in the books done done with only took about two weeks to edit but um it's nice to see you again yeah well it's nice to be back out of my dungeon but

Yeah, we got all this new equipment to streamline the editing process. And then we added two more camera angles and we had all that. Man, he had some fucking awesome footage that we put in there. That was really cool. Yeah. That was really, really cool. It took a while to go through all that. But man, him and his team must have had their helmet cams on.

the entire deployment because there's that much footage. Yeah. Did you have a helmet, Kim? No, we didn't. I didn't have that when I was running ops. I wish I did. I thought I had a lot of fucking material, you know, with the throwback posts on Instagram and shit. Yeah. But Nick has a metric fuck ton worth of material. Yeah. And all kinds of stuff that...

we couldn't put on YouTube, unfortunately. A little too graphic. But it was good. I think I got a glimpse of that here or there. Yeah, yeah. Sorry about that. But it was a good time. It was. It was good to see them. Yeah. I think it's been like three years, you know. I was thinking about that, too. I think it's been close to three. Yeah. Yeah, I guess the last time I saw them, I think the last time we hung out was teaching that last class together.

In Okeechobee, Florida. And, dude, Nick was a hell of a teacher. He just, when I first started teaching, it was hard to, it was really hard for me to break the fundamentals down because it's, when you get that advanced, it's kind of hard to go back to, it's kind of like teaching somebody how to walk. It's like, I don't, you just do it. Right. And so he actually, I learned a lot from him as well.

Learning how to when you guys were teaching. Yeah. Yeah, it was really he was good and But I'm glad he moved on, you know, he definitely seems a lot happier. Oh my gosh, they're both like Beaming, I mean, they're both like super happy they moved Pretty far from Boca. Oh, yeah, they moved down the middle of nowhere - yeah, they did didn't they it's funny, you know the more

I mean, we already kind of know this, but the more guys that come out here that jump on the show, everybody, I mean, you can really start to kind of see like... Like connect the dots? Yeah. We all kind of like fit a mold here. Yeah. And there's a lot of similarities between everybody. Yeah, I've picked up on that.

Did you? Yep. Sure have. Well, you and Jillian did that podcast. We did do that podcast. I have not even been able to crack into that. I know. I can't wait till you start diving into that, though. What did you guys talk about? All kinds of shit. It was good. We dove deep.

I know there is a discussion about him punching some dude in the mouth at a storage unit. Yes, there is that. Who I'm sure deserved it. Yeah, from the sounds of the story, yeah. But no, it was really good. And that's one of the things that Jillian and I talked about were the similarities between just the two of you guys. But after having a couple of guys and being here to see and meet them, there's definitely a...

a bunch of similarities between all of you. So, but yeah, that's going to be a really good podcast. So whenever you get around to editing that, that would be ideal. Let me stay out of the dungeon a little bit and, uh, and we got our next guest coming. So it might be just a minute, a minute, but it'll be worth it. It's really good. And that's one thing that I do wish that, um, we, Jillian and I sat down here, we did our podcast together and,

before you and Nick. And if I could go back to that weekend, I would have preferred to sit down with Jillian after filming you and Nick because we were here in the background doing the filming and whatnot. And there was so much from your podcast together that I kind of wish we could have touched on some of that, you know, in our podcast. So, yeah, but it's still really good. You know, I think people are going to like to see

the other halves of you guys. You didn't talk about me a lot in there, did you? Of course not. What's there to say? Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. It's all good stuff. All right. Well, I can't wait to dig in and edit that and see what you guys did talk about. Yeah. We got the clips coming, too. The couple, those couple stories that Nick told us to warm them up before the podcast. Oh, yeah. Those are pretty funny. I don't know what order we're going to release all this shit in, but yeah.

But I think we'll probably release that and then this and then probably your thing with Jillian. And then it'll be the next guy, but who we can't talk about quite yet. No. But it's going back, though. I can't fucking believe how nervous Nick was to sit in that chair. Yeah. I mean, he was... That's one of the first things he said when they came up, you know, after we, you know, did all the hugs and...

Welcome to Tennessee and all that kind of shit, but he was like man. He's like. I don't know he's like dude I don't He's like fucking Don has 30 something deployments. He's like Mike was a keg and the agency and SF and Kennedy you know how to I mean I can't remember how many fucking gun kept fights that guy's been in but I was I mean a ton of them and I was like Nick what I mean I

And I had known that he had fucking shot number three, you know, from when we were teaching together. And I knew a lot of that stuff. But I was just like, dude, like, what the fuck are you talking about? And he's like, I only have four deployments. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah. Like, dude.

Trust me, you rate you overrate to sit in that chair. Like it's a fucking honor to even have you here on the show. So don't, you know, don't fucking think like that. And, uh, and, uh, but now that it's out, I mean, he has an amazing story to share. Yeah. That was, uh, that was really fucking good. Yeah. You know, it really was. And, uh, the way, the way it got all put together and, um,

honestly, I don't, it exceeded my expectations and I learned a lot about them and there's so much more I wanted to go into with them. But I mean, shit, we're, I think it was like two hours and 50 minutes once we had it all edited. And, but, you know, we skipped some stuff and, you know, just what a fucking badass, you know? Yeah.

For sure. One thing I wanted to get to, but I didn't want to bring it up because we had already kind of passed that point, but I think it was in the infantry and Jillian told you that one of the times that he was blown up with that IED that he was the only survivor. And, I mean, fuck, man. You know, that's... Yeah, you guys didn't even have time to touch on that. Yeah, well, I didn't know...

i'm not shy to ask any questions but you know i didn't know that until afterwards actually or until we already passed that point when jillian brought that up but um you know and even the phone call with dan you know i mean i didn't know that and then you know when we were trying to figure out who the hell we were gonna we were gonna have call in and that was um you know when jillian told she told you that right yeah dan

And I don't know, I don't think Dan wants his last name out, but 03 underscore OG. I think that's what it is. Yeah. Or 03 under something like that. Whatever, we'll put it in the link at the bottom. But I wasn't expecting that, you know, and I was like asking him.

about, you know, if you have anything, it's always kind of weird because I had never fucking talked to him. You know what I mean? I didn't know who he was and it's gotta be, I'm thinking like this guy's probably like, who the fuck is this dipshit asking me about fucking war stories about Nick, but he didn't skip a beat, man. He just went right into it. And he's, he told me about Nick slapping those fucking guys off the stairwell and jumping on the machine gun so that it

him and his uh squad could go kill those dudes and they had the youtube video that was crazy right yeah there was so much good footage it was like perfectly synced with what he was saying yeah footage yeah but but yeah dan told me that and i was like holy dude i was like and this was i mean no wonder he got hand selected yeah twice um ma'am you know we uh

That made it too. It all made it, but I wasn't expecting that from the call. And I was like, fuck, man. This is going to be real good. Well, remember when after that we took a break and we all went downstairs and

Nick was getting like really into it because he was like all these stories and all this stuff is coming back. You know what I mean? Like after talking to Dan and like he was saying how like, you know, he's starting to remember all this other stuff, you know, that happened on his deployments. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I think I don't think we could have portrayed a Marine grunt gone soft any better. I mean,

What a story. You know, it like fits the mold of what I think of when I think of Marines, which I think fucking badasses. That's what I think. And Nick is definitely a badass. And, you know, we kind of talked about this the other day that SEALs kind of fit. You know, they were all kind of, you know, everybody has like their quirks and the things they're known for. And I think

and the word i'm looking for is it like stereotype yes okay yes every unit every branch every soft unit has a stereotype and i think nick in a good way is the picture perfect um stereotype that you think of when you think of the united states marine yeah and uh and i mean that with the most respect obviously and uh who do you think has a bad rap

Bad rap. Yeah, like who do you think has like a bad stereotype? Is there one? I mean we've all probably have a bad stereotype and a good stereotype But like good and bad with each. Yeah division There's definitely good things about and bad things about every branch. There aren't bad things about Navy SEALs though Yeah, okay. Yeah. Well, maybe we'll talk about that sometime but

But, yeah, you know, everybody's got the good and bad. Yeah. But, yeah, I think that was everything I was looking for. And he was nervous to get his story out. Now it's out. And it was fun to talk to him on the phone after we had done the release and we were approaching close to 100,000 views already. And he's like, man, he's like, I...

and booking charters left and right and people are donating yeah you know so that he can bring uh veterans out combat veterans yep uh on his uh on his charter and uh slay some bass which is cool as that is so cool that he's doing that yeah well i mean he was paying for that out of his pocket right uh and now because he got his story out and so many people can relate to it um

they're supporting him and uh that's with all the shit that's going on today you know what i mean every time we flip the news on i about have a fucking aneurysm to see something like that you know like a story like this that won out that was probably actually you know i mean fuck it was demonetized like right off the bat you know what i mean which that pisses me off and i don't

I'm getting sidetracked here, but you know, I mean here we have a fucking war hero trying to tell a story and it's being filtered for fucking political reasons and that shit sucks. It does. But, you know, with all the shit that's going on in the news to see like to put something like that out and to see the viewers

Donate buy his merch book charters all that kind of stuff It's just it restores a little faith in humanity it does and you start to realize you know like I

the news is fucking bullshit it is you know there are actually good people in the world yeah they just aren't in the media yeah and nick's such a stand-up dude and jillian's a wonderful woman and it's just like to see them doing so much good and and to see how the viewers are also seeing that and appreciating it that's really cool yeah and he's a damn good fisherman

How do you know? I see all of his posts. I know. We gotta go. Yeah. I bet he was really up the game with those gummy bears. Oh, that's true. That's very true. I mean, did you see that? He just pulled out like, looks like a 20 pounder today. That must have been the cherry flavor. Yeah. Lured that one in. Everybody likes some cherries. Speaking of which, the gummy bear sales have been like crazy.

That's been fun. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, everyone, for ordering the gummy bears. Yeah. They are fucking delicious. Yeah. I'm surprised I haven't eaten them all yet. I am, too. I put a good dent in them. It's pretty tempting to have them around all the time. You know who else loved those gummy bears? Who? Douglas. Oh, dude, that dog was so fucking cool. He's really cool. How fucking funny is that shit? We have Griffin. Yeah. Little Griffey.

the brussels griffon the brussels griffon yeah and they have a wiener dog a long-haired wiener dog yeah it's cool douglas yeah it's cool because and how about uh when jillian showed us that picture of how douglas sleeps with nick oh my gosh and douglas's head is on the pillow and the same pillow as nick

You know, yeah, it's just cool to see you know, everybody has the you know, the the attack dogs and those are cool as shit, but You don't see too many soft guys running around with lap dogs No, we wanted to film that thing where we actually did like kind of like a mini show I guess you would call it with our lap dogs right on our laps and

I wish you guys had done that. That would have been fucking hilarious. I mean, the whole time we were up here while you guys were filming, before we actually, you know, hit record, Douglas was with Nick and Griff was with you. Yeah. And then they created like a little bond. Griffin hasn't been the same since Douglas left. Yeah, he's all depressed and shit. He is. We got to keep the gummy bears away from him. He had a new friend. He's eating his sorrows away. But, well, we got apparel coming.

So maybe that'll cheer him up. That will cheer him up. Yeah, he doesn't give a shit. He's a dog. He's got to go easy on the gummy bears so he can fit in the new t-shirts. Yeah. Well, yeah, so we got apparel coming. That only took about, what, eight months to get back into the apparel game? But we made it. Yeah, what a fucking nightmare that's been. Yeah. I think this one, this time is going to go good. Yeah, I'm excited to see those go live and...

see people wearing the shirts again you know yeah well you know we got the next guest coming i want to tell everybody who it is i know but we've had a couple cancellations and uh so i'm not going to i feel like it would be jinxing it at this point like i'm just kind of nervous to well kovid kind of everything up and we had

a whole slew of cancellations. Yeah. And now it's back in the news again. So it wouldn't surprise me if we lose some more guests, but I think we're booked. How many more guests do we have coming that are on the schedule? I think we're like five. Do we have five? I think it might be five. We're almost to like the end of the year because now it's July. So yeah, I think we're going to be

book till all solid people yeah i'm like super stoked about that and one of them if it pans out is going to be our first non-military person on the podcast and that'll be it'll be interesting to see what the audience has to say about that i know i think yeah but um that will be cool yeah but let's wrap this thing up don't we have some questions from uh patreon we do have questions

We have questions from Patreon and Instagram. Which one would you like first? Well, Patreon's the best, so we'll save the best for last. Okay. So, from Instagram, Donnybrookfishing asked, "What was one cool thing you learned about Nick that you didn't know?" One cool thing I learned about Nick that I didn't know. I didn't know

Nick loved the lap dog so much. But no, I think probably the most important thing that I learned about Nick that I didn't know is I did not know that story that Dan told us about him. I mean, I think that's just fucking cool as shit. And I didn't know, actually, I didn't know about, you know, the ID and that he was the only survivor either.

Had no idea, you know, and we spent a lot of time together teaching and that just never came up. But, you know, that's a hard thing to live with. And so, but that's, I learned a lot of things, but I would say those are what, that's what sticks out in my head. Yeah. So two things. You learned two things about him this trip. Yeah. Three. Three. Yeah. But...

um next question from instagram is from dylan holzer what criteria do you look for when choosing a guest uh i would say it's all well that's we to start with but the initial things that i look for is i'm kind of i'm just looking for somebody that you know the one i like doing the ones like nick you know and don i like all of them but when you can get somebody's story out

that hasn't been heard yet and you're the first one to bring it out and then you watch the success that comes from telling that story on a platform of 500,000 subscribers. I mean, it just makes you feel good. And we get a lot of requests for podcasts of who people want.

But I'm always kind of looking for the guy who's been quiet who hasn't got their story out who doesn't have a fan club behind them who hasn't you know what I mean told their story eight million fucking times I want fresh material and one because a lot of times people just don't have a place to get their story out and not that everybody wants to but I

I like that. It's something different, and it keeps my interest. If I'm talking to somebody whose story I've heard 50 fucking times, it's hard to keep interest in that. So I don't know. That's kind of... And then other than that, I definitely want a good person, somebody that I think is a good person, somebody that I like being around. This isn't like the other podcasts where you just...

Show up, hit the fucking record button, and that's it. I mean, we hung out for, what, five days before we podcasted? And, you know, when Glover was here, I think he was here for five days. Kennedy was here for three or four days. Don was here for... I think Don was here over a week. I think so. But, you know, and it takes a minute, you know, to build that, to be comfortable sitting in that chair. And so...

We are definitely looking for somebody that we would like to hang out with, you know. I think that's one of the things, though, that makes the podcast so good is they're in our home. We're having a good time. There's no rush to it. And I think there's just like this overall feeling of comfort, maybe, is the word I'm looking for, where it's just like they just want to open up. They want to share their story like it just doesn't feel right.

Like anyone's pressed for time or, you know, we've got this checklist of stuff to go through and then you're out. You know what I mean? Yeah. So. It's a lot more intimate than that. And then we have a good time once it's over too, you know? Yeah. So. Yeah. Nick loves those fucking goats. I don't know if he likes the alpacas that much, but he loves the goats. And Jillian.

Loves all of them. I know so Nick also liked the duck though. He was getting a kick out of it Oh, yeah, he did like yeah the way the duck would waddle. Yeah. Yeah next question. Okay next question Malcolm Newton and this one's from patreon question for Sean Was there any one specific moment in your career that you thought what the fuck am I doing here? And why am I doing this that stands out to you?

Like every day of my life. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah, all the time. I'm not sure which career, but yeah, you know, I'll give you an example. When I was in the SEAL teams, my first deployment was to UCOM. And the first part of that deployment, I did nothing but go to the bar and get shithoused.

Hold on real quick. What's Ucom? Oh, I deployed to Germany. Oh. Everybody else was in Afghanistan, Iraq, fucking Pakistan, getting it. And here's my dumb ass sitting in fucking Germany at the bar listening to briefings like, "Hey, the guys in Afghanistan just killed like 125 people last night." And I'm like, "Cool. I probably drank 125 fucking beers. Great."

So glad I went through all that training to be here. And at that point, I was wondering, what in the fuck am I doing here? That's a good example. Yeah. Fast forward to another career when I was teaching firearms or gun training, tactics, whatever. And I remember, it's a lot more fun teaching when you have zero following.

Because nobody gives a shit who you are. They just want to learn they just want to like take the knowledge that you have and to make themselves better, but then you start building a following and It becomes what holster is this? What belt is that? What kind of magazines are those? What kind of this is that? What kind of barrel is that? What what who makes those sunglasses?

"What kind of shirt is that? Can I smell your socks?" You know, and I remember the first course that happened to me, Nick, and Scott were there. And that was another moment that I was like, "What the fuck am I doing here?" You know what I mean? Like, I'm here to fucking shoot and teach people how to defend themselves. And nobody gives a shit about anything but what brand nods I have on and what my shoes are and

what fucking jeans I'm wearing and my belt and my holster and my mag pouches and I don't like that. Yeah. I distinctly remember that night when you came home from that. I did not. Where that happened. It felt really fucking weird. You were not a happy camper. No. And, um, but anyways, so there's two what the fuck moments. You want a third? Sure. All right. Bring it. Here we go. Number three. Uh,

Get like that sometime with YouTube, you know, I mean, I guess something youtuber now so but yeah, but you know when you put a video out and it doesn't fit the political agenda of Certain people it gets fucking censored and you know on all social media platforms and

And when you put that much time into something like this one, you know, fucking two weeks I spent editing this damn thing. And it was worth it, you know, but we've put out a lot of content that never got any traction and it's because it doesn't, you know, it's not in line with whatever agenda is going on at the time. And so that makes you wonder what the fuck you're doing here and why you're even wasting your time doing this shit. But, yeah.

Luckily, this was not one of those. Right. And you're not wasting your time because I see the emails and you see all the comments and everything and you help a lot of people too. And all the guys that sit in this chair and they all help a lot of people. Yeah, it's all worth it. I'm not talking about necessarily any specific podcast or anything, but there are videos that's like,

Yeah, I'm like, that was a really good one. There was a lot of good information. Some of the COVID stuff we did. When we were giving information out on YouTube on how to prep and stay out of fucking panic mode and all that shit. A lot of those were being censored right off the bat. It's crazy to me. And then for some reason they wound up taking off. So yeah, there's three things. And there's a lot more, you know. I know there are. All right, you want one more?

What else we got? We got one more and this is coming from the blood analyst. Oh, yeah, you're familiar with this one. This is the blood spatter. Yes blood spatter Analyst and forensic scientist. That's the one this lady is interesting. She's very interesting She has she's we haven't watched the Netflix thing yet, but she solved that big us that big

what's that guy like serial killer yeah isn't like chopping people up and putting them freezers or something i'm drawing a blank but i know the documentary on netflix but we have to watch it but um i'm completely drawing a blank well we're gonna watch it soon yeah it was a really popular one though yeah like definitely unlike the little trending menu on netflix anyways she's a badass and she solved that and uh which is cool so

now who knows maybe she'll be a guest on here someday that would be really cool blood i mean do you think she watches dexter uh i would assume so do you think she does things that dexter does i don't know we should hide the saran wrap if we have her out i'm gonna wrap this whole room in plastic we're gonna do the show in that that would be cool um okay well she has um two questions here for for you

How long does it take to record an entire episode from start to finish and how much recorded time verse how much time it takes the act how much it on the actual show Oh how much makes it on the actual show? That's a good question Shit damn near everything makes it onto the show I mean there's very I would say less than 5% of the footage gets pulled from the show I mean

And you can help me out with this 'cause you do all the filming. But how long did we film with? Was that like eight hours? - It was a long time. And I know with Kennedy, they've all taken a minute for sure because Don, we had to take like a lot more breaks. - Don, we'd had to pull a lot of footage. - Yeah. - Because it took us what, three times?

Three times we tried to do that. Yeah. Three or four times. I think so. But I think with Nick, yeah, it was probably like an eight-hour day. Yeah. With all the gummy bear breaks, it would probably be about an eight-hour day. There was a lot of gummy bear breaks. Yeah. And a pizza break. Yeah. Yeah. Dog walking. But it's not all... So anyways...

Shorter answer would be just about everything actually makes it into the podcast, even though we just said it's eight hours. That also includes sound checks, video checks, sound checks again, sound checks for a third time, getting Griffin to shut the fuck up and back in the crate, you know, stuff like that. So but I would say anywhere.

from five to six hours it takes to do a full recording or five to eight hours, I guess, to do a full thing. But I mean, that's, you know, half of that's the lighting, the sound. I mean, we got boom mics, we got labs, we got three to four different cameras and all the lighting, all that shit. So it takes a while to get set up. Right. And then with every break that we take,

We end up coming back up and then kind of refocusing. Yeah. Brushing crumbs off. Brushing crumbs off. You know what I mean? Yeah. So there's a lot. Yeah. But it's totally worth it. Yeah. But yeah, it's not, what you see is what happens when you're not missing much. Yeah. And we even put a couple of the clips that you did miss on my Instagram, like us burping and then we're in the middle of the show and I'm like, oh fuck, are we recording? Yeah.

I'm over here fucking crunching ice cubes and everybody else thinks we're recording. But yeah, what was the second question? You pretty much answered it. How much recorded time versus how much makes it on the actual show? Oh, all right. Well, I guess that about wraps things up, but I hope you guys all liked 004. I think you're really going to like 005.

Yeah. That person's coming out on the 9th of July. Fingers crossed. Yeah, hopefully. But I will tell them about... Should I tell them about the pilot? The pilot? Oh. We might have a Vietnam F-4 Marine fighter pilot who flew over 100 combat missions in Vietnam. And I used to give private lessons to this guy and...

To be honest, he makes us all look like a bunch of pussies. But here's the real kicker with him. What? He's not on social media. Yeah, no, but you can't follow him. That's like the coolest part. Andy owns a huge engineering company, so he doesn't give a fuck. Unless you're going to build a 50-story building in Miami because of this show, he probably doesn't give a shit. So it's pretty cool, you know. But I really hope he comes. Yeah, I do too.

But yeah, we've got a solid lineup. Yeah. I'm super pumped. Me too. Me too. And just stay tuned for me and Jillian. Yeah. When we take the hot seat. I'll get on that. I'll get on that. I needed a break, but... I know. All right. Well, I hope you guys like 004. Sign up for Patreon. Buy gummy bears.

Buy a hat. Get ready to buy a shirt. Rep the brand. And if you support us, we will still keep cranking out content. So thank you, everybody, for listening, for watching. I hope they like the debrief. We'll be seeing you soon. Yeah.

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