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Hi, it's Andrea Gunning, the host of Betrayal. I'm excited to announce that the Betrayal podcast is expanding. We are going to be releasing episodes weekly, every Thursday. Each week, you'll hear brand new stories, firsthand accounts of shocking deception, broken trust, and the trail of destruction left behind. Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
I'm John Walczak, host of the new podcast Missing in Arizona. And I'm Robert Fisher, one of the most wanted men in the world. We cloned his voice using AI.
In 2001, police say I killed my family and rigged my house to explode before escaping into the wilderness. Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere. Join me. I'm going down in the cave. As I track down clues. I'm going to call the police and have you removed. Hunting. One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world. Robert Fisher. Do you recognize my voice? Listen to Missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.
Hey guys, I'm Andrea Gunning, host of There and Gone South Street. In this series, we follow the case of Richard Patron and Danielle Limbaugh, two people who went missing in Philadelphia nearly two decades ago and have never been found. Unlike most cases, there is not a single piece of physical evidence connected to this crime, but the FBI knows there was foul play.
I'm also excited to tell you that you can now get access to all episodes of There and Gone South Street 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription available exclusively on Apple Podcasts. Plus, you'll get access to other chart-topping true crime shows you love, like Betrayal, Creating a Con, The Story of BitCon, Paper Ghosts, Piked in Massacre, Mindscape,
Murder homes, unrestorable, the godmother, the girlfriends, and more. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search for iHeartTrue Crime Plus, and subscribe today. Danielle had gone on a few dates with Richard. At that point, she had started to find herself again. Like she had just started to turn a corner. And I was so happy for her. And then she's gone and there's nothing we can do. I'm Andrea Gunning, and this is There and Gone South Street.
Episode two, Personal. Just to note that the views and opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals participating.
This podcast also contains subject matter that may not be suitable for everyone. Discretion is advised. The iconic South Street is a melting pot of Philadelphia's culture. It has something for everyone. That's where I recently met with FBI agent Vito Rosselli. As you can imagine, he spent a good amount of his career on South Street investigating Danielle Imbo and Richard Patron, the two that went missing in February of 2005.
South Street, very popular area. You got different bars on one side. You got some of the hard rock, head banging bars on the other side of the street, blues bars.
It's a one-way nightmare with drunks running in between the cars. So everybody has to drive slow and you got people blasting their music in the cars. So it's a pretty lively place. It's not a place just for locals. It's a very touristy spot. Anybody comes to Philly, comes here. You got famous state places that are right across the street from each other. So South Street is a hopping spot. It's a crowded spot. There's always people here, but it's a nice spot.
Danielle and Richard were last seen between 11:30 and 11:45 p.m. leaving Abilene's bar.
Abilene's was a very popular bar. They had a lot of bands that would come in. I have a picture of Vito from that day. He is standing inside what was then Abilene's, staring off in the distance, searching. My heart aches a little when I look at it. The building is a restaurant now, but in 2005, Abilene's was a two-story bar. On the first floor, there was a narrow bar on the right-hand side. On the second, a bar and stage for live music on the weekends.
That particular area, 4th and South Street, is usually more crowded because you have some popular bars that cater to the whole genre of, you know, partygoers. I asked Vito what Abilene's was like that night. Abilene's was crowded, both first and second floor. The band that Abilene's had that night was a locally popular band. Rich Patron's friend Anthony Valentino asked him to meet him that night because he favored that band.
They weren't supposed to be together that night. That stuck with me.
When I talked to the families, I got the sense that Danielle and Richard were close. The relationship was nuanced. But if you do any digging into this case, it's widely reported that they were a couple. We'll get into that a little later. At the end of last episode, Vito's colleague, Jerry Williams, called what happened to Danielle and Richard personal. ♪
When Daniel Embo and Richard Patron disappeared, initially there was a concern, a public safety concern. But as everyone learned a little bit more, it started to look like this may have been a very personal crime. That also stuck with me.
So I want to spend the next two episodes getting personal. Specifically, I want to know who Danielle and Richard were as people, who they were to one another, and why they were together. And according to Vito, both Danielle and Richard's lives looked a lot different a year before they disappeared. So I decided to go back to the families to understand what was going on in their lives in the years leading up to their disappearance. I mentioned in episode one that Richard's family owned a bakery called Viking Pastries.
It was an old-fashioned Swedish bakery located in Ardmore, Pennsylvania, less than 10 minutes from where I grew up. For a couple dozen years, Viking pastries turned out sweet treats like pies, cupcakes, and danishes. It's also where you'd find Richard Patron. He was either working in the kitchen at Viking or upstairs in his apartment. Here's Richard's mother, Marge. He worked very hard in the bakery. He lived right upstairs, so it was convenient. We'd hear us 13 steps down.
He really ran everything in there. Marge told me Richard never settled down and got married, but he was well known by brides-to-be. You see, Richard was famous for his wedding cakes. I'll tell you what he did so beautifully. He made the roses. And a bride could come in, you know how you get the swatch of a color you would like your roses to be? I'd say, you know, I don't know if we're going to be able to match it exactly. And Richard would say, staple it onto the order. I'll do it. They would be perfect.
Most people were surprised that these gorgeous wedding cakes came from a guy who liked to blast heavy metal and classic rock at the bakery. My outgoing, bubbly nature, he definitely got from me. His love of sports and music, he definitely got from his father. He made him listen to music from when he was in the crib. Richard's best friend, Frank. He can go from being like in a mosh pit to then going right to the dance floor on the same night. Like he can go listen to Metallica to listen to Madonna.
You know, that's how wide his music range was. - Going to concerts was Richard's thing, and he loved sharing that with his family. His youngest sister, Alisa, said Richard drove her to see her first concert, no doubt. - He took me to my second concert also, I think it was the Alanis Morissette. It was the '90s.
Richard's cousin, Stacey. Richard had every rock album under the sun on cassette. Metallica, Iron Maiden, and Bruce Springsteen. Bruce Springsteen was always a favorite of Richard and his father's. Stacey said whenever Richard and his father were working together at the bakery, they always had on Bruce. That was their thing.
And no matter what mood Richard was in, she said whenever a song from Springsteen came on, there was Richard, covered in flour, dancing like no one was watching. There was always laughter and noise and music from his bench where he worked. Stacey also worked at Viking Pastries.
I'd come around the bend, and lo and behold, there'd be a cupcake in my face. That was Richard. He was a practical joker. I had heard about Richard's love of hockey, and according to Stacey, he was always trying to get a group together to play. If it was a sports-related activity, Richard drove it. And generally, it was some kind of hockey. Just wondered whether or not it was going to be a puck and how scared you had to be.
You were hoping for the ball, not the puck. And I'll just never forget, we were out in the driveway and he just was drilling me with slap shots or slap shots, trying to defend them, but I couldn't. And all he would do is just laugh, but just in the most fun way. But it wasn't all jokes and pranks. Richard had a soft and sensitive side to him, and that was on full display with his daughter.
Richard became a dad young in life. He was only 20 years old when he had a daughter named Angela, or Ange as he called her. He stepped right into the role of raising that child by himself. I can remember teaching him different hairstyles. He did Angela's hair in the morning and he made sure that she was fed and that she was schooled and that she was loved and that she had everything that she could possibly need.
That's Richard's former girlfriend, Julie, who's also Ange's mother. After Julie got pregnant, she moved in with Richard. But she said it was a struggle for both of them. They were just too young. Julie admits she wasn't ready to settle down and become a wife, much less a mother. I had Angela, and then...
"I was partying all the time, you know, drinking with the friends and going to bars and stuff like that. So, you know, we had a child young, so we weren't ready to settle down." But Richard stepped up and became the primary caregiver. "I was kind of a wild child, and I couldn't really give Angela what she needed, so she went and moved in with Richard. And it was hard on both of us." Julie said she credits Richard for being the parent to Ange that she wasn't ready to be.
I know he could have used some help. I wish I was, you know, available a little more, but he was very good. Richard managed to get a lot of help from his family, especially Marge. They talked every day. I think it's pretty much in the Italian culture that, you know, the boys are more like mommy boys. And he was very, very close with his mother. You know, they were a tight-knit Italian family. My dad raised me up until I was about 13, 14 years old.
That's Richard and Julie's daughter, Ange. We lived on top of the bakery that my family owned. He was basically a girl dad. Today, Ange has a child of her own and
and said she's constantly amazed at how much her dad was able to juggle back in the day. He would literally be rushing to finish wedding cakes, like whipping up maybe five wedding cakes in a matter of two hours or so, rushing to get me out the bakery door to make it to soccer games. And I'll never forget that he would just be covered in cake,
standing out there watching me play soccer. And back then I would be like, oh my goodness, my dad looks crazy. But I mean, now when I think about it, how hard it is to juggle everything in life.
He did a remarkable job. As Ange developed into a teenager, she decided the time was right to move in with her mom. And this was around 2004. I was going through certain girl things. It was hard for him to grasp or understand. And at the time, I just felt like, you know, I needed my mom a little closer. And so I decided to move in with her.
From age 20 to about 34, Ange said Richard's life revolved around her and the bakery. So when she left, she said Richard really struggled with being an empty nester. It was really hard for him. It was hard for me, too. It was an adjustment. Richard decided to get a tattoo on his left arm that said Angela, but it didn't fill the void. Not long after, he said, you know what, you're too far away.
He packed up and moved maybe five minutes up the street. Richard moved out of the apartment above his parents' bakery and into South Philly. Ange lived right down the street, but he found himself with a lot more independence. For the first time since Richard's teen years, he suddenly had free time. More specifically, he was able to start dating again.
Hi, it's Andrea Gunning, host of Betrayal. I'm excited to announce that the Betrayal podcast is expanding. We are going to be releasing episodes weekly, every Thursday. Each week, you'll hear brand new stories, firsthand accounts of shocking deception, broken trust, and the trail of destruction left behind. Stories about regaining a sense of safety, a handle on reality after your entire world is flipped upside down.
From unbelievable romantic betrayals... The love that was so real for me was always just a game for him. To betrayals in your own family... When I think about my dad, oh, well, he is a sociopath. Financial betrayal...
This is not even the part where he steals millions of dollars. And life or death deceptions. She's practicing how she's going to cry when the police calls her after they kill me. Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm John Walzak, host of the new podcast Missing in Arizona. And I'm Robert Fisher, one of the most wanted men in the world. We cloned his voice using AI. Come on, Paul.
In 2001, police say I killed my family. First mom, then the kids. And rigged my house to explode. In a quiet suburb. This is the Beverly Hills of the Valley. Before escaping into the wilderness. There was sleet and hail and snow coming down. They found my wife's SUV. Right on the reservation boundary. And my dog flew. All I could think of is him and the sniper me out of some trees.
But not me. Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere. For two years. They won't tell you anything. I've traveled the nation. I'm going down in the cave. Tracking down clues. They were thinking that I picked him up and took him somewhere. If you keep asking me this, I'm going to call the police and have you removed. Searching for Robert Fisher. One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world.
Do you recognize my voice? Join an exploding house to hunt family annihilation today in A Disappearing Act. Listen to Missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.
Hey guys, I'm Andrea Gunning, host of There and Gone South Street. In this series, we follow the case of Richard Patron and Danielle Limbaugh, two people who went missing in Philadelphia nearly two decades ago and have never been found. Unlike most cases, there is not a single piece of physical evidence connected to this crime, but the FBI knows there was foul play.
I'm also excited to tell you that you can now get access to all episodes of There and Gone South Street 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription available exclusively on Apple Podcasts. Plus, you'll get access to other chart-topping true crime shows you love, like Betrayal, Creating a Con, The Story of BitCon, Paper Ghosts, Piked in Massacre, Mindscape,
Murder homes, unrestorable, the godmother, the girlfriends, and more. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search for iHeartTrue Crime Plus, and subscribe today. Danielle Embo's brother, John Ottobre, has been a reluctant spokesperson for his family ever since Danielle vanished back in 2005. I sat down to speak with John a few times over the course of a year. But I have to say, that initial interview wasn't easy to get. I told Vito, I don't do these anymore.
He called me three or four times and he said, Johnny, I need you to do it. And I said, if you need me to do it, I'll do it. As my team set up our equipment around the Ottobre's dining room table, I told John I'd try to keep this whole experience as painless as possible. But who was I kidding? How could this not be painful? I was speaking to one of my mentors, telling him about it. And he's like, John, when's enough going to be enough? When are you going to stop torturing yourself? Right. And I said, you know what?
It'll never be enough because I owe it to her to do this every day for the rest of my life. Because I owe that to her to never give up. Because she would never give up if it were me. John was not just Danielle's little brother. They were incredibly close. I actually considered her one of my best friends. You know, I could tell her anything. She told me everything. In their early days, Danielle was John's protector. I do remember being a freshman and walking down the hallway and
And this kid is coming to beat me up. I'm getting ready to get into a fight with a kid that I don't even know. And here comes Danielle to the rescue. Danielle directs guys to chase him. And here I am like, hmm, you want to mess with me? You got to talk to Danielle. It was cool. And then she came home and then she told my parents. She goes, oh yeah, Johnny almost got beat up by a junior today. I had to get involved. Like, I didn't almost get beat up. I was fine. I had it all under control. In fact, their four-person family unit was incredibly tight.
John, more like his mom. Danielle, much like her dad. They were each other's fan club. They just were so identical in so many ways. From the singing career to their personality to the way each one of them can just take over the room. Everybody just wants to be around them all the time. John said their father used to be a famous doo-wop singer. He went by the name Johnny October. Danielle inherited her dad's voice and stage presence.
John has a handful of old VHS tapes of Danielle singing in a local cover band called The Schoolboys. Even through the grainy footage, Danielle stood out, commanded the stage. She had shoulder-length jet black hair and fair skin. She also had a smile much like Madonna, you know, with that ever so slight gap between her two front teeth. And I don't hesitate to say this, she was beautiful.
I always envied that I didn't have the confidence and self-esteem as Danielle and my father. I didn't have the voice of Danielle and my father. At 21, Danielle met an older guy. In a matter of months, they got engaged and then married. The marriage, it didn't last. I think Danielle was just a little too young to commit, and he was very possessive.
She wanted to live her life. She moved to New York City and had that experience for a few years. She even worked as a blackjack dealer at an Atlantic City casino. Then she followed in her dad's footsteps in the car business. And that's when she met her second husband, Joe Imbo.
Joe was from New York, had lived in San Diego. For the life of me, I have no idea what he was doing in Burlington, New Jersey, but he was driving up the highway where the dealership was, and as luck would have it, his car broke down right in front of the dealership. Joe and Danielle quickly hit it off, and John understands why.
There is a saying that women marry guys who remind them of their father. And that's what happened with Danielle. In 2001, she and Joe tied the knot. And unlike Danielle's first husband, Joe fit right in with Danielle's family.
As you can imagine, to grow up and have your sibling close to your partner and go through life together, it's a dream for most. Here's Jody, John's wife.
I have a younger brother, so I never had a sister. And it was just the fun and excitement. Like, she liked fashion, I liked fashion. She liked sports like I did. It was an instant connection.
Danielle and Jodi were inseparable and were more like sisters than sisters-in-law. She had a convertible, so we would go pick up her paycheck on a Friday and just put the top down and drive all the way down the shore, pick her paycheck up, and then watch Friends on TV, you know, things like that. And it wasn't just Jodi and Danielle who hung out. The two couples spent most weekends together.
Late nights at Smokey Bars eventually went away when Jodi got pregnant with twins. And then came another surprise.
John and I were watching Sopranos. It was a Sunday night and everyone knew, do not call the house when Sopranos is on Sunday night. Like we are watching our show. And the phone rings and it's Danielle. And, you know, back then there was no pause or rewind on your TV. And John's saying, tell her we'll call her back. Tell her we'll call her. And I said, is everything okay? And she said, it is. But in her voice, she sounded sad.
So I said, are you all right? And she said, I'm pregnant. And I screamed that you could probably have heard me in Florida. I was like, oh my goodness, we're going to be pregnant together. This is amazing. And she starts crying and she's like, you're not mad. And I said, mad? Why would I be mad? And she said, because I don't want it to be like I'm stealing your thunder. You're pregnant.
I'm like, this is amazing. I said, no, I am not mad. I am so happy for you guys. They were going to have each other and their kids were going to grow up together. Three boys all around the same age.
The life the Ottobreys wanted to build, one that prioritized family, was coming together. Every night after work, her and I would go and get ice cream because at this point we were like fatty, you know, with the big belly. I mean, we would both sit there and just rest our hands on our stomach and like eat the ice cream as it was dripping down our chins and not even knowing it.
The twins were born in March of 2002, and Danielle gave birth to her son Joe Jr. two months later in May. John remembers how happy his sister was. She would just look at him and she would start crying. She'd be like, "Isn't he the most beautiful thing you'd ever seen?" We're like, "Yeah, Danielle, he's beautiful. We got it." Yeah, she was a great mom. I think her exact words were, "Now I know what it's truly like to be in love with someone." Like, instant in love.
The three of the kids would just be crawling all over each other, like just barely like walking, right? And Danielle and Jody would be Indian style on either side and they would just play all day with the kids, all day. She loved those kids. I have so many pictures of Danielle with them as babies. Life was good for the Ottobreys and the Imbos. So many family memories, but that would all be short-lived. That football trip happened and it just, it ruined everything.
Hi, it's Andrea Gunning, host of Betrayal. I'm excited to announce that the Betrayal podcast is expanding. We are going to be releasing episodes weekly, every Thursday. Each week, you'll hear brand new stories, firsthand accounts of shocking deception, broken trust, and the trail of destruction left behind. Stories about regaining a sense of safety, a handle on reality after your entire world is flipped upside down.
From unbelievable romantic betrayals... The love that was so real for me was always just a game for him. To betrayals in your own family... When I think about my dad, oh, well, he is a sociopath. Financial betrayal...
This is not even the part where he steals millions of dollars. And life or death deceptions. She's practicing how she's going to cry when the police calls her after they kill me. Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm John Walzak, host of the new podcast Missing in Arizona. And I'm Robert Fisher, one of the most wanted men in the world. We cloned his voice using AI. Oh my God.
In 2001, police say I killed my family. First mom, then the kids. And rigged my house to explode. In a quiet suburb. This is the Beverly Hills of the Valley. Before escaping into the wilderness. There was sleet and hail and snow coming down. They found my wife's SUV. Right on the reservation boundary. And my dog flew. All I could think of is him and the sniper me out of some tree.
But not me. Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere. For two years. They won't tell you anything. I've traveled the nation. I'm going down in the cave. Tracking down clues. They were thinking that I picked him up and took him somewhere. If you keep asking me this, I'm going to call the police and have you removed. Searching for Robert Fisher. One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world.
Do you recognize my voice? Join an exploding house, the hunt, family annihilation today and a disappearing act. Listen to Missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your favorite shows. Hey guys, I'm Andrea Gunning, host of There and Gone South Street.
In this series, we follow the case of Richard Patron and Danielle Limbaugh, two people who went missing in Philadelphia nearly two decades ago and have never been found. Unlike most cases, there is not a single piece of physical evidence connected to this crime, but the FBI knows there was foul play.
I'm also excited to tell you that you can now get access to all episodes of There and Gone South Street 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription available exclusively on Apple Podcasts. Plus, you'll get access to other chart-topping true crime shows you love, like Betrayal, Creating a Con, The Story of BitCon, Paper Ghosts, Piked in Massacre, and more.
Murder homes, unrestorable, the godmother, the girlfriends, and more. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search for iHeartTrue Crime Plus, and subscribe today. By 2004, Danielle and Joe Embo were still newlyweds. They'd only been married a couple years, and life was just getting started for the two 30-somethings. They owned a condo in New Jersey and just had a baby boy, also named Joe.
There was even talk of Danielle and Joe moving into a house across the street from Danielle's brother, John. But things never got to that point because of what happened at a football game. Joe, you know, he was into football. Of course, he was into gambling. So Sunday, he fit right in with the family, watching the games.
Football was a Sunday ritual at John's house. John said he and Joe even started a tradition where the two of them and a few of their friends would fly down to the Super Bowl every year. So we went to one Super Bowl, then we went to the next Super Bowl together. We talked about it being a tradition. And as the boys get older, we'll take the boys with us. Their kids were all less than a year old in 2004. So John and Joe made plans to fly to Houston with some friends to go to the game.
We're getting ready to go to the Super Bowl and we get this massive blizzard. There's like two feet of snow on the ground. First, it was Mother Nature. Then the flu bug tore through John's house. His wife and twin boys got sick. And so did Danielle. Both the girls are sick.
John's wife Jody said Danielle wasn't happy with Joe's decision.
I think she was expecting the same from Joe. And then when she didn't get it, I think it was more of at first angry, but then more hurt, you know, that the Super Bowl would be more important than your son being really sick with a high fever and your wife not feeling great and still having to take care of him because it's baby.
You might remember the 2004 Super Bowl for Tom Brady and the Patriots, holding on to beat the Panthers. That was the game with the halftime show that featured the infamous wardrobe malfunction between Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake. That was a memorable game, and Joe Embo got to see it all. At least he was supposed to. He meets this girl on the plane and has an affair.
John said as soon as word got back to him, he immediately called up every one of his friends who went on that trip to find out what the hell happened. And they're like, dude, I don't know. All I know is he met this girl. He was sat next to her on the plane. He was talking to her the whole time and we didn't see him the whole trip. John learned that while all of his guys were at the game, Joe was busy fumbling away his marriage. But things were about to go from bad to worse. Joe comes home.
Danielle's still sick. The baby's still sick. Danielle said, hey, hon, how was your trip? And he's like, I don't love you. I was never in love with you. And I'm leaving. He moved out, filed for divorce. That's how the bomb was dropped. Next thing you know, he's talking about moving to Atlanta to go live with this girl and her kid. It's like a movie, you know, like one day you wake up and you're angry. Your husband left you and your child while you were sick, meets a girl on a plane and then just leaves you.
Jodi told me she was shopping with her twin boys at Target when she got a phone call from Danielle. I was pushing the kids in a stroller in the parking lot. And I stopped in and I was like, excuse me? And she said, yeah, he just packed up all of his stuff. Where are you? Can I come over? I just waited for her in the parking lot and she got there, put little Joe in the stroller and, you know, she was hysterical. I don't know what to do. Do I just keep calling him and telling him, let's try to work this out? I don't want this. I don't want this.
We literally walked through Target for three hours just talking about different things of what she wanted to do. Just to put this into perspective, all of this happened just about a year before Danielle and Richard disappeared. And John said once Danielle and Joe's marriage started falling apart, it sent Danielle spiraling. It just got dark. She didn't eat. She didn't sleep. This whole time, she's asking him, why are you doing this?
Joe packed up and moved down to Atlanta to be with the woman he had an affair with at the Super Bowl. By that spring of 2004, Danielle and Joe's son celebrated his first birthday. There was, of course, cake and ice cream and plenty of presents.
And Danielle was doing it all by herself. He was living his new life with this girl. And each day she would call him and he wouldn't answer. Or if he did, he just didn't want to be bothered.
But according to John, the damage was already done. She was not the same person after that. She was self-conscious, cried all the time, chain-smoked, lost a ton of weight. She would call herself a two-time loser.
Here I am, a two-time loser with two failed marriages. Most surprising, Jodi said Danielle was still open to reconciling with Joe. I don't know if it was necessarily that she loved him so much that she wanted to get back with him. She just did not want little Joe growing up in a broken home. If it meant him coming home after what he did, but little Joe had a father at home and always grew up with a family, she would have done that for him.
But Jodi had some advice for Danielle. My answer to her was, if you two are only going to be fighting in front of him, it's not good for him. So if you want to just walk away from this, no one will think any less of you that you are a single mom raising a child on your own. John said Danielle was also afraid she couldn't make it financially. She didn't know if she could afford the condo on her own. And I told her, pack up your stuff and move in with us.
We'll sell your house. It's in your name. Pay off the condo, you pay off your bills, and you stay with us until you get back on your feet again." Danielle wasn't ready to do that yet, but she became a fixture at their house. Sometimes she was crying. Other times, she seemed to be moving forward with her life. "Even through all those dark times that she was going through with her husband, the fact that the three of us could be together, it was great." "It was probably about five or six months.
At that point, it was kind of like, I think I'm done with him. Danielle and Joe went to a mediator to start the divorce process. And they had gone two times basically to discuss who gets this, who gets that. We'll sell the place. We'll split it down the middle, all that kind of stuff. Eventually, Jodi started to see less and less of Danielle. When things started happening with her and Joe, obviously she was here a lot.
And then when she had met up with Christine, I had started to see her a little bit less and she was spending a little more time with Christine because Christine was going through a divorce at the time too. Christine, as in Christine Patron, Richard's sister. Christine and Danielle had been friends since high school and seemed to bond over both of their impending divorces. And all of that time with Christine led Danielle to Richard. She's known Richard her whole life. Richard was a single parent.
And it was just good company. The two of them would go to a movie together, go to dinner. As 2004 wore on, Danielle finally seemed to be turning the page on everything that happened with Joe. And that's when John said it all came to a screeching halt. Something flipped in Joe. And all of a sudden, Joe did a 180. That's when he started pressing her to get back together. And it ruined her. It ruined her.
That's next time on There and Gone. If you have any information about the disappearance of Danielle Imbo and Richard Patron, please call the Citizens Crime Commission tip line at 215-546-8477. Or you can reach out to the show and our team by email at thereandgonepod at gmail.com. That's thereandgonepod at gmail.com.
Thank you so much for listening. One way for you to show support is by subscribing to our show on Apple Podcasts. Don't forget to rate and review because five-star reviews go a long way. A big thank you to all of our listeners. There and Gone is a production of Glass Podcasts, a division of Glass Entertainment Group in partnership with iHeart Podcasts. The show is executive produced by Nancy Glass, Ben Fetterman, and me, Andrea Gunning.
It's hosted and written by me, Andrea Gunning, with additional reporting and writing by Ben Fetterman. The series is also written and produced by Todd Gans. Our associate producer is Kristen Melchiorri. Research by Mason Klinder, Anna Hamilton, and Bella Ricci. Our iHeart team is Allie Perry and Jessica Kreincheck. Audio editing and mixing by Matt DelVecchio. Additional editing support by Nico Arruca.
There and Gone's theme and original compositions were composed by Oliver Baines and Dari McCauley of Noiser. Music library provided by My Music. Special thanks to both the Patron and Entobre families. For more podcasts from iHeart, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, it's Andrea Gunning, the host of Betrayal. I'm excited to announce that the Betrayal podcast is expanding. We are going to be releasing episodes weekly, every Thursday, every Sunday,
Each week, you'll hear brand new stories, firsthand accounts of shocking deception, broken trust, and the trail of destruction left behind. Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm John Walzak, host of the new podcast Missing in Arizona. And I'm Robert Fisher, one of the most wanted men in the world. We cloned his voice using AI. Come on.
In 2001, police say I killed my family and rigged my house to explode before escaping into the wilderness. Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere. Join me. I'm going down in the cave. As I track down clues. I'm going to call the police and have you removed. Hunting. One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world. Robert Fisher. Do you recognize my voice? Listen to Missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.
Hey guys, I'm Andrea Gunning, host of There and Gone South Street. In this series, we follow the case of Richard Patron and Danielle Limbaugh, two people who went missing in Philadelphia nearly two decades ago and have never been found. Unlike most cases, there is not a single piece of physical evidence connected to this crime, but the FBI knows there was foul play.
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