Episode VI: The Sacred Flame 31:55

Ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring.

Five rings? Two guys saying five rings? You know, Ariana Grande has a song called Seven Rings, but five is just in the Goldilocks zone for me. Absolutely. Just right. Just right. Seven's too much. Seven's too much. Too much, Ariana. Your opulent lifestyle. But you know what else is opulent? The Olympics. And that's really what we're here to celebrate on Two Guys, Five Rings, the podcast that talks Olympics.

I'm Matt Rogers. That's my name. And I'm Bowen Yang. And we're the two guys, wouldn't you say? Passing back and forth the torch that is conversation. That is how podcasts do work.

And episode six of this podcast is going to talk all about the Olympic flame and torch. OK, two separate things. And one thing needs the other in order to survive. I didn't actually know that the carrying of the torch around the world was real. Oh, yeah. And then you really do understand that this is the spirit stick. But for real, like if this Olympic flame were to be extinguished or hit the ground, like this would be true chaos in Olympic fashion.

I think it's like world building. I know we're using that term a little bit too much now, but there's a world building there. It makes you go, oh, the flame. It's like very like Game of Thrones, wouldn't you say?

Absolutely. Well, it symbolizes the coming of the games and spreading peace and friendship along the route. So it's less Game of Thrones in that that was more like competition for supremacy. And this is more like love and peace, but definitely fire. Certainly, that's what the Olympics and Game of Thrones have in common for certain. For certain. Now, have you ever carried a torch for someone, Matt? Oh, God. Haven't I? Haven't I? No.

I think we all have a story of, you know, a time when we just had feelings and couldn't find where to put them. I remember I was in high school, you see, and I carried a torch for my best friend. And sometimes...

You know, I would go hang out with him and his girlfriend and I would sit on AOL Instant Messenger while they hooked up behind me in his bed. And I would be in the room and I'd be on AOL Instant Messenger just talking to my friends, hanging out with my friends. And one day I said to them, hey, do you guys ever not want me to be around? And they go, no, we love hanging out with you. Then you make us laugh. I said, okay. So I continued to hang out with them while they sort of hooked up in the room with me in it. And I would just not turn around. So yeah, I've carried torches before.

I was going to say, I was going to be like, back up, back up. So they would be like macking on each other while you were on the computer. Like, imagine me. I would be on the computer. I think I was like 15. And I would be on the computer sort of on aim, just like talking to my friends, like trying to make plans for the weekend or later. And they would be behind me, like messing around.

Well, that and I always was like, I wonder how far it's going. But I thought, well, that would be uncool for me to ask as if it wasn't uncool for me to be there in the first place. Not uncool. Maybe they liked to be watched.

They liked how I was a little voyeur, but I wasn't. They wanted an audience. They liked the danger of me being able to turn around. That's so funny. I barely even think about that, how weird that was. But that was a thing that probably happened between five and six times is I would just sit there and they would hook up behind me. And then I was like, do you guys ever not want me to come? And the excuse was like, no, no, no. You got to be there. Wow.

I'm a kink. You are a kink. And you will never be shamed.

You can't be ashamed for wanting me present when you guys hook up. And by you guys, I'm talking to you, the listener. If you ever want to hook up and have me just around, I'm so used to it. It's not that you like to watch. It's more for them. It's for their kink. It's not a kink for you. It's a kink for them. Have you ever carried a torch? I was going to say that I've literally said the words, I think I've been carrying a torch for you for too long.

And then that was my way of sort of like, of like release, of dropping the torch as it were, of being like, I can't do this anymore. I can't do this. Kind of dramatic, right? I wish people could see the release. We're sort of dramatically releasing our torches. I really, I encourage all of you to tell the person you've carried a torch for to say the words, I've carried a torch for you and it's time for me to drop it.

Like it's a Mandy Moore movie of some kind. Oh my God. I mean, we are recording this after the Culture Awards in which we gave Mandy Moore a lifetime of Culture Award. And one of the clips that I forgot about that is now constantly playing in my head is her in A Walk to Remember telling Shane West, I do not need a reason to be angry with God. I do not need a reason to be angry with God is an amazing line. Great line. And she delivered it.

I do not need a reason to be angry with God. Incredible. The key to acting is to barely allow noise to come out when you're talking. That's the key to emotional acting. It's to be quiet, literally. It's to barely even give anything. You can understand everything that someone is feeling.

even if they don't make us happy you are so good I'm compelled honestly girl no you are the dramatic phenom watch Fire Island now if you're listening to this podcast turn it off watch Fire Island now watch me shed a tear to a perfume genius song

to a perfume genius needle drop. You know who would be so happy? Greg Louganis. I bet Greg Louganis saw Fire Island and liked it. I don't think he knows about... I'm just saying, it has Sponjang, it has Gaze, it has Fire Island, it has water, it has everything that everyone loves. I just know he watches SNL with his partner and says, I love him. I think he's so funny. I know it. I can't be sure. Well, we'll have to find out. Tee hee hee hee hee!

Maybe I'm placing the breadcrumbs for Greg Louganis to come on the podcast. Greg, we would love to have you. We would love to meet your dogs. You're invited! You're invited! As Mary-Kate and Ashley once said, yeah. And how did that song end?

It was Benet, N-N-N-E, R-S-V-P. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Were you a Mary-Kate and Ashley fan? Well, through my sister. And she got all the Mary-Kate and Ashley videos from the library. Chelsea also liked it. My sister. Oh, my God. My sister bought the Sister of the Traveling Pants. And I stole it from her shelf.

and read it in my own bed and then hid it under the bed because I didn't want anyone to find out that I was reading a girl book. Did she ever find it? I think she did. Good. But I like, well, I could just, all the girls at school were reading it and loving it. And I was like, I really want to read that. I know. This is before the movie came out. That's how I was with the show One Tree Hill. It was like a closet thing for you? Yeah, because like, remember when the OC was out and everyone liked the OC? Yeah.

But not only the only girls. Everyone in high school. No. Not the boys. I don't know. I got away with watching the OC for sure. I don't know what it was about. Maybe it was like cool California culture. But One Tree Hill, there was something like girls only about it. Chad Michael Murray was only for girls. It was only for girls. Like you couldn't watch Chad Michael Murray as a boy that age and be like, yeah, I like the show because I'm a fan of his acting. It's like, no, you loved his appetizer plate size nipples. And he lit off a fire alarm in your groin.

And speaking of fire, the symbolic flame, let's just chat about the Olympic torch and the flame just a little bit, okay? The first time a symbolic flame made its appearance at the Olympic Games was for the 1928 Amsterdam Games. The main purpose of this fire, placed in a large bowl on top of a slender tower named the Marathon Tower overlooking the Olympic Stadium, was to indicate for miles around where in Amsterdam the Olympic Games were being held.

A similar flame appeared once more in Los Angeles four years later, this time at the top of the gateway to the Olympic Stadium. So fire is life. It's very Survivor. It's very Jeff Grillsby. I'm like, in this game, fire is your life. In this instance, fire is where the Olympics happen, but you get it. The fire, if you see it shining tall, shining bright, you know you had that way for excellence and excitement. When they cut to the torch, a flame...

during the games you know like you'll be watching beach volleyball and then they will cut to in broad daylight the stadium that makes me go this is once again about the human spirit about human accomplishment and that's what the olympics are about oh i could relish this forever i love it here's another factoid okay

The 1936 Berlin Games were the first in which an Olympic torch relay was used. Chief organizer of the Games proposed the idea two years earlier to link antiquity and modernity. The original relay took 12 days and passed through seven countries. Greece, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Hungary, Austria, Czechoslovakia, and Germany. A lot of pop stars come from that.

Cheaters.

So this is, once again, linking ancient times to the modern era of the Olympics. The Olympic flame for Berlin was lit with the aid of a parabolic mirror reflecting the sun's rays, which is a time-honored method that guarantees the purity of the flame. The lighting of the flame takes place in front of the ruins of the Temple of Hera in Olympia, Greece. Every Olympics, I believe. Now, the dark...

origins of the relay have to do with Nazi propaganda. As we said, this was in the 1936 Berlin Games. And sorry about that, guys. It's just true. It's just true, y'all. The Nazis didn't invent fire. It's fine. Fire is for everybody.

They used the original torch relay for propaganda purposes. The Olympic torch relay now is used to signal the Olympic Games are coming and to spread a message of peace and friendship along the route. So decidedly anti-Nazi stuff now. You don't have to be worried whenever you see the flame be in a past. Okay? When you look at the flame, you should think Central Perk. You should think Ross, Rachel, Phoebe, Chandler, Monica, and Joey. You should think friendship. You should think...

Harmony. International harmony. You should think, world peace, you should think of Miss Congeniality, the film. Light slapstick. Light slapstick. Light fare overall. But for serious reasons, which is an occasion to bring the countries of the world together in the name of sportsmanship.

You think the Goblet of Fire was inspired by the Olympic torch? I do. You know, because it never goes out, right? Is that part of the deal with the Goblet of Fire? I don't know. The whole sports and fire thing? Yeah, of course it was. Of course. It's the Olympic. The Triwizard Tournament, that is the Olympics.

I ask if it never goes out because our Olympic flame, the sacred fire, is never extinguished. In the event of a problem, did you know this? Several emergency backup flames exist, but they are kept secret. As the protocol also dictates, the flame can only be rekindled with an emanation of the original flame. So this is serious. When it is not being carried by an Olympic torch, the flame is sheltered in a specially modified security lamp, similar to a miner's lamp. Every eight hours, the lantern is...

filled with liquid kerosene and the wick is also changed about every two weeks and at night time the flame is kept in a special cauldron. So this is the fire. When you see the Olympic fire just know that's the doll. Is it the same flame as 1928 Amsterdam games? That would be completely insane. Do you think? We'll never know.

We'll never know. I think it's one of the most things we can ever know. And also, by the way, it kind of says here, like, if something happens, like, low-key, that there's a backup flame. It exists. I'm saying, like, the continuity of the flame is a big part of the flame's lore. Yeah, but people lie all the time, Bowen. This is Hollywood. It's smoke and mirrors. You know, the Olympics ultimately at the end of the day, it's a show. This isn't Hollywood. We're in Paris, mama. It's a television show.

Peek behind the curtain. This is all entertainment. Girl, you're so confusing sometimes. Talk about the use of technology when it comes to the torch. Well, I'll say that it's integral. As the torch must be able to stand up to difficult weather conditions, including wind, rain, extreme temperatures, and snow, it must also be capable of burning longer than the amount of time anticipated for each leg of the relay in the event of problems along the route. They have really thought through every scenario before

For the first torch relay, German manufacturer Krupp created a steel-clad torch featuring a magnesium burning element that was designed to stay lit regardless of weather conditions. Over the years, many other products such as gunpowder, resin, and olive oil have been used to fuel the Olympic flame. These days,

We're talking gas cartridges in the body of the torch. That is usually the most popular thing. Interestingly, the type of gas can influence both the intensity of the flame as well as the color, from white to yellowy red.

Now, a white flame is, as we know, the hottest color. Well, isn't the blue the hottest flame? Blue is the warmest color, but white... You know, when someone says white hot, that means it's the hottest kind of hot. Whoa! Can I ask you what your favorite type of fire is? We've never had this conversation. Like, what is your favorite fire to see?

When I'm at the Korean barbecue restaurant and I see the blue flame lighting my table, I go, that is... I'm thinking of Hades. I'm thinking of James Woods as Hades. Great performance. Bad man. Bad man, great performance. I'm thinking... Just like...

Slay color. 100%. What about you? I think blue flame is amazing. I'm very attracted to the phrase white hot. But you know, when I go to the club, I like to hear these club classics. And for me, fire is yellow. Fire is yellow. Like, it just is. Yeah. In the movies, fire is yellow and red. I feel the sun is yellow. It's really, goodness gracious, a great ball of fire. By the way...

Justice for one of the greatest pop songs of all time. Goodness, gracious, great balls of fire. I am telling you, listen to it again. It goes off. That is such a hook. Goodness, gracious, great balls of fire. Whoever wrote that.

The Greg Louganis of songwriting. The greatest of all time and gay. I just went to a show and someone sang Goodness Gracious, Great Balls of Fire. And I was like, hold on a second. This is a hit and a half. It sounds like Chapel Roan. It sounds like Chapel Roan.

Absolutely. Goodness gracious, Great Balls of Fire. Bowen, I'm telling you, listen to it after we record this. You'll listen to it three more times right after. You will be in. You are going to love the way you look. You don't know me. You don't know me. This is the second time you've said this. I do know you. I know you well. So, you know, speaking of the flame and the Great Balls of Fire and et cetera as it relates to the Olympics, there have been some mishaps.

There have been some flame and cauldron mishaps. Despite the safeguards taken to prevent the flame from being extinguished, it has happened. In 1976, during the Montreal Games, an unexpected violent thunderstorm, the worst,

doused the flame at the Olympic Stadium. No events were taking place at the time. The only people on site were workers. One of them rushed up the steps of the platform, holding the Olympic cauldron, using a cigarette lighter to light some pieces of newspaper and the cauldron. When Olympic officials learned of the situation, the makeshift flame was extinguished because it was, you know, terrible, terrible flame, fake fire.

imposter of a light and the back of torches were used to relight the flame. A similar incident occurred before the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi in Russia with a security officer reportedly relighting the flame with a lighter after it had gone out at the Kremlin in Moscow. This is just... These people are... They're trying their best. Like, they don't want anyone to know that it was on their watch that it went out, so they whipped the lighter out. But that's... Listen, there are safeguards in place...

For when that exact scenario happens, please, if you're handling the Olympic flame in the future, don't use your little Bic lighter, okay? The torch deserves the real flame and there are backup torches and flames in place and available.

Bic, please. Bic, please. Faulty burners have caused flameouts too, but beyond weather related and mechanical issues, there are some instances caused purposely, this is insane, by individuals seeking to make political or social statements. In 2008, protesters decrying China's history of human rights abuses managed to extinguish the flame multiple times. Slay. That is a heist movie I want to see. Yeah. Extinguishes. Extinguishes. Extinguishes.

Should that be our film? Yes. Extinguish Us. It's about two gays who want to put out the fire of the Olympic torch just cause. For attention. For attention and likes. They do it for the likes.

They did it for the shares. They did it for the reels. This is kind of slay. At the 2010 Vancouver Winter Games, they had four pillars kind of meeting up towards the center to light the torch. One of the pillars failed to light from the stadium floor. The trap door was faulty and froze prior to the cauldron lighting, even though it had worked fine early in the ceremony. This is why let's not get too stunty with the flame lighting, okay? Let's just have it be...

You light the fuse or whatever, and it travels all the way up, and then it lands in the bowl. That's all we want to see.

Let's not get too innovative with fire is all we're saying. Keep it simple. Keep it simple because if you want to get all stunty with fire, you're going to be sorry for whatever reason. Well, one mishap had lasting implications, though, in since 1920. So this has been a thing for years and years and years since 1920. Doves had been released at the Olympic Games opening ceremonies to symbolize world peace.

So for the 1988 Seoul games, the one where Louganis slayed, birds had been trained for a year in preparation of the event. They were supposed to fly around the stadium in circles until they reached the rim and then fly off in five different directions. Unfortunately,

Several of the birds landed on the Olympic cauldron as it was being lit. Although the call for world peace remains a part of the opening ceremony, the public outcry from the 1988 Seoul Games led to the permanent replacement of live birds with inanimate objects or human actors. And then we literally do have a picture here in this document of what looks to be... All these doves perched on the rim of the bowl and one unfortunately flying right into the flame about to get...

toasted and roasted. Bye, sister. Bye, sister. You had one job. You can train birds as much as you want. There's a reason why they call it bird brain. Very small. Hey. I don't like saying it. As a new bird watching enthusiast, I really don't like seeing a bird die. Certainly not. You want to see a bird fly. I want to see a bird fly. And these will always be a symbol of peace. This is two bad things coming together already.

Try to manipulate fire and try to manipulate animals. Yeah. Just don't ever, ever have the two converge into one thing. Just everyone just keep the fire away from the birds, please. Please. Wait, speaking of bird watching, did I tell you I just saw a bald eagle in person? I sent you the video. I must not have watched it yet. Oh my gosh. I sent you a lot of videos from my vacation. They're scary birds, aren't they?

They are huge, the bald eagles. They're majestic, but they're scary up close.

Well, did you hear that the bald eagle population has actually skyrocketed as of late? Skyrocketed, rather. There are TikToks out there of these bald eagles, hordes of bald eagles just like munching on trash at landfills. And I'm like, oh, y'all are ruining the image. 100%. I mean, the greatness that is America eaten in trash. Yeah, absolutely. 100%. Can I say something? They're still birds. Like, you can look at a bald eagle and think dignified. The bitch is eating trash. Okay? Yeah.

At the end of the day. But apparently, yeah, the population of bald eagles is up, up, up because they made certain pesticides that were killing the birds illegal. So that's the reason why. But they're still quite endangered. But, you know, if you see a whole bunch of bald eagles chowing down on your trash. Just Tuesday. Just Tuesday. Let's talk through some memorable moments of lighting the Olympic cauldron.

We have Barcelona 92, Antonio Rebollo, Spanish Paralympic archer lit the cauldron for the 92 games by shooting a flaming arrow over the cauldron and igniting the gas. Katniss Everdeen found, not even born yet. So Katniss of him. Had she been born.

Had she been born. 2000 Sydney Games track and field superstar, Aborigine, Australian, Kathy Freeman, wearing a white bodysuit, stepped into a pool of water and touched the torch to the cauldron with the water. A ring of fire encircled her and the cauldron rose from the water, ascending to the top of the stadium. I remember this. I was but a child of nine. Yeah. And I went, wow, that was cool. That was really cool. That was definitely one of the fire moments I remember most.

Like, that was pretty epic. Anytime water is on fire, to be honest with you, I'm kind of gagged. Well, this is the only exception that we are throwing out there when dealing with fire. There better be more water than fire involved. Oh, yes. And this was definitely the case. It's very Poseidon's Adventure. Very... What else? Like... Free Willy? Free Willy. Also, um... Fantasmic. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I mean, you can't talk about fire and water together without talking about Fantasmic. Absolutely.

And really all...

The Waterworld show at Universal Studios Hollywood. Have I ever taken you to that? I think you have. It's pretty fabulous. It's pretty spectacular. Very spectacular. It's a lot of high-octane energy. It's really, really... It's stunt-driven, and there's fire on the water for sure. 2008, I remember this. Beijing Games decorated Olympic gymnast Li Ning lifted into the air on strings, very Crouching Tiger, very Wuxia film style.

Mm-hmm. He then flew-ran a lap atop of the rim of the stadium before lighting the cauldron, and then that itself traveled the rim and lit the cauldron that was perched on... I'm going to say the word rim one more time.

on the rim of the stadium. Li Ning is sort of like the Michael Jordan of China. He has his own very popular clothing line. He's sort of like the symbolic Chinese athlete who was able to parlay that into a huge thriving apparel business. Go off. So we celebrate Li Ning. Go off, sir. Uh,

The 1996 Atlanta Games, the greatest Muhammad Ali gets the honor of lighting the cauldron. That was a moment in time. And, you know, of course, we've got our key figures from the upcoming 2024 Paris Games because, you know, we have to always bring it back to Paris. We always have to bring it back to Paris.

The flame arrived in France via boat across the Mediterranean Sea from Greece on May 8th. The relay will span 68 days only on French territory. I think that's kind of chic. Keep it in the borders. Keep it within borders. Keep it very French. 65 territories involved, including six overseas territory, Guadalupe, French Guyana, Martinique, French Polynesia, New Caledonia, and the island of Reunion. Hmm. The relay will go through more than 400 cities.

So are they going to get like all of France's best to like carry this? Like, are we going to get some celebrity sightings? We're going to get Charlotte Gainsbourg. We're going to get Marie-Anne Cloutier. We're going to get Natalie Portman's children who grew up in Paris. Benjamin Milpied. That's the name of her ex-husband. Ex-husband. You know, they met doing Black Swan. That's right. That's just some Natalie Portman history. I'm made of that stuff.

I'm going to do a peek behind the curtain. For all the Olympics facts, we need the Google Doc that we use. But if you ask, like, what's the name of Natalie Portman's ex-husband who she has French kids with? Benjamin Millipied. And they met during Black Swan. There you go. Natalie Hirschlag. Wow. Natalie Hirschlag. That is her real last name. You know, I saw her once in a CVS. Tiny. I saw her once smoking a cigarette outside of a Broadway theater.

Tiny. Were you seeing the same show as her? No, she, I think she was like in rehearsals and she was like out, like this was like my first year in New York. This was like 2008. And I was like, Oh my God, Natalie Portman. And then, um, she did bring her kid to SNL one time and we said hello and she looked so normal style. Like I'm a mom. My kid wants to come to SNL to see the musical guest. She was very sweet. Um,

I am excited to hear that. Oh, she was so cool. And she said hi back. She said hi back. And then I didn't want to say anything else. I was just like, kind of like, oh my God, hello. She was like, hi. And then that was it. I was like, this is all that needs to happen. I am truly starstruck. I've told you about when I was walking. I think I was walking. Remember that old, when we were in NYU, there was that bar called Forum. Yeah. It was on like 3rd Ave.

It was like a third Avenue, right by 14th street, maybe like 12th and third. I was walking by it one day and up, you know how, whenever they're shooting something in New York or wherever they have those like posters up to prohibit parking. Yeah. It was like, we are shooting a movie. And I asked someone, I'm like, what are they shooting? And they were like, Oh, it's a new Natalie Portman movie called black Swan. Ah,

They were shooting the scene with Natalie and Mila with a then unknown Sebastian Stan. Oh, my God. It was happening right in Forum. And then when I watched the movie later, I was like, oh, my God, that is Forum. Where the strobe lights kind of go crazy. Yes. Like, well, now it's not there anymore. It's something else now. But at the time, I was like, wow, that really is that bar. And they really were shooting this scene that night. And it was around that time that I saw her in the CVS two blocks away.

Tiny as hell. Well, let's hope that she gets to be one of the Torch Relay people. Well, you know what's funny is it's like Black Swan, like that is such an athletic thing she had to do to accomplish playing her role in that film. And I think that's really what brings it back to Paris. Absolutely. ♪

We have so many people that are not only working hard to make sure that their performance in the athletic games and the Olympic Games themselves are on 10, but we've got people who are so dedicated to seeing this fire make its way all the way to the Olympic Games still alight.

from its origin. And I think that is to be commended. And I think if we're going to give a gold, silver, and bronze medal today, we have to give the gold medal to everyone carrying the torch. Throughout history. Throughout history. If you carried the torch, gold medal from us. Except for the people who used their Bic lighters to light a sham flame. Y'all don't get a medal. You should have just owned up to it and said, hey, I'm sorry, but...

There was a literal thunderstorm happening, and that's why... Imagine that the flame went out. Can we get the backup in? Can we fly in the backup? Simple as that. That is your job. Who gets the silver medal here today? Silver medal, I would say... I'm going to give it to the continuity of the flame. The protocols that are put in place are...

Really admirable. This is another testament to the human will, the collective human drive to preserve something, something like the Olympic flame. Humans can do amazing things when they come together and figure out a way to put meaning into something. And that is what continuing the flame is all about. Yeah.

100%. And speaking of perseverance and excellence, the bronze medal is going to Fantasmic. Yes. It continues to push the boundaries of how much fire can be on water, how fun a show can be. How much it can inspire Kathy Freeman. I mean, let's just say that without Fantasmic, we would have no Kathy Freeman lighting the water on fire. I'm sorry. And that's on...

And that's on truth. And that's on truth. Well, Matt, I've had such a wonderful time discussing the Olympic flame with you. I always have such an amazing time discussing anything with you. And this is a testament to the human spirit. Absolutely. I keep saying that, but I really am so inspired by the Olympics. And I talk about, you know, they are an arena for all kinds of human history to happen. You have, you know,

All the crazy conversations that I'm starting to get political that we have about trans athletes, that's been happening at the Olympics since the early 20th century. The Olympics are the place where all of this, where humanity comes together. This is why I love the Olympics. Honesties, though. It's a place for legends. The Olympics is a place for legends. And you can watch every moment.

of the 2024 Paris Olympics, beginning July 26th on NBC and Peacock. And for the first time, you can stream the 2024 Paris Games on the iHeartRadio app. And we close every episode with that amazing Olympics melody. Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do,

Wow. If only podcasts were a visual medium, you could see the flame. You know what? If you're at home listening, light something on fire and look at it. Thanks, guys. Talk to you next time. Bye. Bye.