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From the art of the deal to keeping it real. Keeping it real. Live from the Simply Vegas studios, it's The Power Move with Jon Gafford. Back again, back again, back again. Whoop. Cold. Another one. No.
You're not, it's mid-afternoon, you're not saucing. No, I haven't ate today, so even like one drink would probably make it so I shouldn't drive, so. We're trying to get ratings here, buddy. That'd be a solid show. Oh, trust me. I don't need to be sauced up to make something stupid. Well, I'm just glad you're here, buddy, and as always, Chris Connell, Esquire. Chris. How you doing? I'm doing
Good, buddy. Doing good, doing good. Welcome back for our, this is going to be our Friday episode this week. Glad to be back in a regular rotation. Had a little bit of a drop off there because of obviously the Egypt trip, which we already unpacked on the last episode. Not going to rehash that again because, man, there's a lot going on. A lot of things coming up. A lot of things coming up. And I got to tell you, obviously Halloween is the big one, is the big one coming up now. And while I was in Disneyland last week,
I want to talk a little bit about, you know, let's talk about what's offensive because there's a lot of things going on. I mean, I want to have a whole episode on what is offensive because it seems like the goalposts move constantly. And I think I just want to help everybody listening narrow the goalposts to what's offensive. Now, granted, you're going to get a pretty – I mean, I think Colt's goalpost is probably at a different place than yours or mine. Dave Chappelle just dropped his –
You want to talk about a viper's nest of offensive and how it's being portrayed out there. Reviewed right now. We'll talk about it. We'll talk about that. But I want to start with this because it is obviously it's Halloween season, or as I like to call it, pumpkin spice latte, which if you're a realtor, you're probably not listening to this because you're in hibernation because for some reason when pumpkin spice latte comes out,
All realtors go to sleep, which I love because my team will make so much money between now and the end of December because for whatever reason, realtors go to sleep. I don't know what it is. But so I'm at Disney this weekend for the trick-or-treat fest there. And I look up as I'm walking around and I see a cat. A guy comes walking towards me and he's dressed like Fidel Castro. Yeah.
And I thought, no, he can't be Fidel Castro. And I looked at him and I kind of gave him the head bob and I was like, Fidel? And he's like, hey. And I'm like, oh, man. Spooky. And as somebody, you know, I am Floridian by birth. I grew up in the great state of Florida and lived there for many, many years. And I thought to myself-
this guy would probably get his ass kicked in Miami dressed like that. - Oh, for sure. - He probably would. So it got me thinking, where is the line of offensive when it comes to Halloween costumes? And if you're planning to dress for Halloween, how far can you push it?
and still be maybe okay, but not be okay. Because let's face it, in this day and age, I mean, you trying to crack a joke at a Halloween costume today, tomorrow, you're no longer working at Sears. Can I go on absolute record right now and say, if you are in 2021, and there was a realtor that did this last year, a realtor in our community, dressed up in blackface as Mr. T. You can't. I just remember looking at it going,
You know, maybe in the 70s there was a point where we didn't have the internet and you didn't live under a rock, you know. Yeah. Where you didn't realize why you don't do certain things. And then the 80s, you started going, ooh, then Ted Danson did it. Yeah. With Whoopi Goldberg. Oh, yeah.
That was the final time. That was it. That you had. Blackface was done right there with that. Like John Gruden's use of the term, you know, whatever. Well, there was a time where you could plausibly be like, oh, I didn't know that meant that.
Yeah. That time is gone. Well, let's talk about that. So that's a great place to start. Because as we sit here, three white guys, even though Colt does identify as Hispanic. Do that so I can't get canceled. As we sit here. El Colte. El Colte. As we sit here.
Let's start with that. Can a white person dress up as an African-American known person as long as they don't do blackface makeup? Well, there is always running the risk of appropriation, but here's the thing. No, but it's a costume. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, like, for example, who would you say? Okay, I'll give you an exact thing. So I don't know if you guys know this or anybody may have not known this, but I have one of the joys of my life. I
I have many, but one of the joys of my life is ruining people's dress up parties when they have a dress up, like when those burger mystery things, you know, when you get invited to the burger mystery party, one of the joys of my life is ruining those parties. So I will quite simply, if you invite me, oh, it's, it's on like Robotron. And I promise you the majority of the people I like to say will have fun if I go, but
but the host or more importantly, the hostess will. Yeah, I'm one of my friends, you know, if you've got a wife that thinks this is a good idea, she ain't gonna let your hair with me after this party.
Most recently. You'll go to an 80s party in 1980s or 1880s. Yes, I could go to 1880s. That's a great, see, that's a good move. More importantly, I'd probably just go as like a super old man in my 80s with like fake balls hanging out of my shorts. But pretty much where I'd go with that. But instead, that's where I immediately go. The murder mystery. Yeah, just to make it the murder mystery party. So I get invited to a murder mystery party and I'm supposed to go as, I just read the invitation and it says, Joe Jackson basically,
baseball player who has amnesia doesn't remember where he is. So I just pretend that I never read past Joe Jackson. Like that's all I saw. And I went as 1970, not blackface, just I had the cabbie hat on. I had a big silk scarf. I had like a full on disco looking shirt that was denim. And I had like, I just, I drew the sideburns on like this and the little paper thin mustache, right? And a little critique. Just the mean look. Yeah, the mean look. Just the mean look.
And all I did, I went as Michael Jackson's father, Joe Jackson, and all I did was walk on this party and bitch to anybody that would listen for as long as they would listen how Tito don't practice. Tito does not practice. Tito don't practice. And I just would not let it go to the point where people were on the verge of hyper angry at me for this. It was. I would find that incoherent.
just hilarious hilarious but the problem the problem is people don't have the question is so the question is now i mean now can i dress as joe jackson yes i didn't there was no afro there was no blackface i didn't do anything it was it was the essence of the man himself you were told first off here's where you get a pass okay you were told to dress up i
As Joe Jackson. Now, not shoeless Joe Jackson, the baseball legend, you know, whatever. Yeah. You were told Joe Jackson. If someone said to me, you know, come as a bottle of Tito's or something, maybe I would dress up as Michael Jackson's brother and, you know, whatever. There's a way to be funny. It's a play on word. Right. That is without. Okay. But also. I think you get a very clear path. Okay. Let's say your son or, you know, Colt's son.
He plays basketball. My son. What do you want to go as for Halloween? I want to go as LeBron James. Yeah, but you can wear a LeBron James jersey. Yeah, no. Okay, that's okay. Totally agree. Okay, that's okay. I think that one, I think I spoke for the woke left here. That is completely fine. To emulate, right? To emulate. To emulate without obviously taking on. Okay. Somebody probably takes. All right, so hang on. Okay, so hang on. So now I'm going to throw a double whammy at you now. All right.
So now it's okay to impersonate a public figure as long as it's done in a positive way. What if it is a public figure that most people don't like and you do it in a negative way? For example, can I go dressed as OJ with a bloody glove?
- Yes. - How would you emulate OJ? Because here's the thing, if you start putting on like an Afro or something, if you start putting on things like that. - That's the line. - I think that's the line is where you start taking on sort of cultural, I don't know, like-- - See, this is why I'm passing this. But here's the thing, there is no actual line. This is the thing about, so first off, there is this thing that I hear, and I'm not gonna make it political, but there is a constituent in this country
that doesn't want people to have to face the consequences of their shitty words. There is things, there are things that happen. I've had people come up to me because they think I'm a white guy. Like I'm in a, I'm in a,
Okay, now I'm confused. Is there more to that? I'm going on a different version. I'm not going to lie. I thought you were a white guy. I'm not going to lie. I've had white people come up to me and say some nasty shit that I am completely abhorrent. It's completely abhorrent stuff. And they think that I'm going to be like, I'm boring because you're white. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, wait, why the fuck would you think you can say that to me? Yeah, this guy gets it. No, I don't get it. No, no, no, no. I'm not that. Whoa, whoa, whoa. So...
I've had, I know it exists. We want to deny that certain things exist. So when people have shitty words that come out of their stupid mouth, you sometimes have to own it. Okay? And you have to sometimes own, if you were too dumb to realize that not everybody's going to think the same way or take jokes or whatever, use...
public emails, your work emails. That girl who said, I'm going to Africa, I hope I don't get AIDS, haha, just kidding, I'm white. She thought she was being funny or whatever, but that is so stupid. We're going to get to the context of your own work.
I'm going to stay on Halloween right now because there's a lot of people right now could be listening to this on a headphone, could be at Walmart trying to decide what to be. I don't know. I'm trying to be helpful. I'm trying to bring value. But to my point is this. There is no actual line. People always want to complain that, oh, there's a line. No. Right.
I know what you're saying. Let's make it easy. Everybody's got their line. There's no real line. There's no real like, hey, you can do this. We can all agree that blackface is an objective line. That's a line. We can't all agree that. There's people that still argue to this day that it's okay, which is crazy. But I think once you start getting in there.
80, 90% of people. Yeah, let's clarify. We're looking for her to pin in here. 80%. I'm not looking for the fringe ends. Yeah, because the fringe ends believe all kinds of good things. We're looking for the middle. I flew over the North Pole this week. I literally saw it. So if you want to be a flat earther, for all other reasons, I can send you a picture of the North Pole. We saw it. The line, though, in terms of taste, right? Is it bad to be a sexy nun? Well, yeah, a really religious Catholic person might find it offensive.
But then again,
Who cares? There is that part in Halloween costumes too, right? Unless it's a work function. Unless you're not willing to have that photo of you taken and shared, right? I think one of the few jokes I can ever remember Carlos Mencia saying that I thought was funny. That was his? No, Carlos Mencia when he was like, look, let's call a spade a spade. Halloween is international dress like a whore day. Which Vegas is. I'm going to be a sexy veterinarian. Don't take this from us. Anyway, but
So let's talk about world leaders. Let's find a line there. I think we can all agree Hitler off limits. But see, a lot of people do like a really funny Hitler where it's Hitler in drag.
Right? So you're making... Oh, you're making fun of him. You're making fun of him. You can't just go be Hitler. Harry the... He paid the price for that. He paid the price for it, right? He paid the price for that. Because it's like, if you understand what Nazis actually did... Everybody talks about Nazis nowadays. People don't realize... How terrible it was. What actually happened. Yeah. Go read some history. Go look at the pile of bodies. That's one of those things you go, I can see why this is maybe not as funny as... Yeah. But if you're Hitler and you dress up like he's a closet drag queen...
Right. Like the Jojo rabbit, the Jojo rabbit. I still think, you know, I'm not doing it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I can't wait. I'm saying, I don't think there's any, I think that I don't think there's any rendition of Hitler. You're going to get away with. I think that is beyond the line in today's world. I think, I think Hitler's there. So let's, let's move the line a little further. Okay. This is a great, this is a great little segment. We'll move down a little further. Let's say, let's go with like, let's go with like a,
Obviously, we talked about Fidel Castro. Where are you with Castro? So Castro, I think that one is just sort of, I wouldn't even think about it. I would say, yeah, it's just a goofy. Because people wear Che Guevara t-shirts. Well, which is just asinine. But people are also ignorant. People are so ignorant, and they're not to date of what really happened. Like you say, you go down to Miami, you're getting your ass kicked. Yeah, dress like Fidel Castro. That's a problem. Well, but I mean, talk about something that scares them.
It's Halloween, right? You can have an ax. The thoughts and feelings of Chris Cottle. You want to talk about somebody that you can say, oh, that scares me. Okay, what about Russian leaders? I mean, can you get away with Stalin? You know what's funny is you can, and that's a funny, weird thing about who writes the history books, right? Because Russia, I'm about to say something real unpopular. Russia was a real big reason why that World War II was won. Real big reason. Like,
Real, real big. Right, right. And so when people talk about Stalin, they don't realize that he had committed far more atrocities objectively than Adolf Hitler ever did. Oh, sure. It's not an apology for anybody who commits the most murder, but Stalin murdered. Can you get away with Stalin? I think you could.
See, I don't think you can. I don't think people, because Stalin's not a part of the cultural fabric as much as Hitler. Because everything that anyone does that is bad, you're now Hitler. That's good. Nobody says you're Stalin. You're a Stalin here. Okay, let's talk about the North Korea guy. Totally him. Just because you're making fun of how he looks at that point. He's such an absurd looking little man. Great golfer though.
18 whole months. And he doesn't, he's never taken a shit. Pretty impressive. Ever. Ever. He should go to Egypt. But yeah, that can be made fun of because it's absurd. He's absurd. His haircut's absurd. He's walking absurdity. The hermit kingdom is absurdity that people think, oh, this fat little dork is somehow impressive.
whatsoever. Okay. He's literally the least impressive thing I've ever seen. And yes, his haircut is on the table for pure mockery. Okay. So let's say this. Okay. Let's say that you go and you dress as, you know, you have the box of cornflakes on you and you have a knife and you're a serial killer. Yeah. Right. Well, what if you had a school bus and a gun and you're a school shooter?
Is that okay or is that not? Yeah. See, why is that different? Why is that different? Well, because, I mean, little children being massacred is never like... What's the... Who says the serial killer is not killing kids? What's the difference? Look, again, I would laugh at stuff because I don't have sensitivities about a lot of things. But I'm saying, what's going to get you thrown out of the old Halloween... There's just like a couple of triggered things, right? Where...
A lot of people are going to find that funny. A lot of people aren't. Here's the thing. You are probably able to go do that. Like school. People just look at you like an asshole. I think it just goes. So what people have been trained in their life to accept, right? Which serial killer we've all trained to accept is something that's, Ooh, scary, but,
Yeah, they don't realize serial killers are raping kids and doing all that, right? So I don't think they just look at the scary movies. So I think a lot of it's what's trained in somebody's mind as what's offensive or not. I'm like, Chris, I can watch some stuff that people say some really bad things, and I can find the humor in it and be shocked, but they're –
I mean, right now you gotta be careful on anything you say or do that. Like this podcast scares me. I get anxiety every time. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
This is a serious conversation. I mean, it's funny at some points, but where... People lose their jobs every year because of this. Yeah, the goalpost keeps moving, and I'm just trying to figure out where we currently are and what you can and can't do. Yeah, I think... I don't know that a lot of things are off the table. I think, like you said, if it doesn't make fun of protected groups in a way that people can call punching down or whatever, if it's not touching protected groups, you're fine. Okay?
Okay. Now in protected groups, like I said, you can dress up as a woman, as a slutty woman, right? Quote unquote. You see those costume stores that actually will say like the check, the bad knockoff ones will be like slutty nurse. Yeah. Like,
I think you just... Wouldn't it be funny if the costume was just like a normal nurse's outfit that said, like, Kim? Because at one point they knew Kim and she was a little risque. I think that... I think you can't play into stereotypes anymore, right? Like, I think you can't do any of that stuff. I think you can be slutty, whatever. I think you can be generic, whatever, but...
But you got to be careful, especially with protected classes or anything like that. But people literally lose their jobs. There's two things that people lose their jobs over that are just stupid. Halloween being a little crazy and Christmas parties being too drunk. Right? Those are people who lose jobs all the time. Social media. Social media. Yeah. But you know what's funny? You bring that up, John, because you can't dress as Muhammad, right? Yeah. Yeah. You can have that priest costume with a kid blowing you.
Yeah. And people are okay with it. Why is that not over the line? I mean, because in all fairness, that's like nobody has any sympathy for the Catholic Church after what they've done. Yeah, that's true. So you don't get a pass anymore. You can make fun of that. It's on the table for ridicule because they had known child molesters and were hiding it, right? So that is safe. But Muhammad...
If you were dressed up with whatever, other than there being a cultural issue, but if you had a tag, you just walked around Mohammed and you were dressed up in robes and people would freak out. Yeah, they would. Oh, for sure. Like, you are an insensitive piece of shit. I'm like, who is offended? Nobody would be, right? Because not a lot of...
practicing Muslims in the city specifically. I don't even know if there's a mosque here. It might be a very small one. No, there has to be. It's not a large population of practicing. So it's not something that you would think would be super offensive. But other people would know that that is going to be offensive if somebody's... You know what I mean? If somebody's not... I was sitting there last night and I didn't have power. When you don't have power and your phone dies, you could...
just start thinking of stuff, right? But no, I just started thinking like... Okay, Cole, top five things you think of in the dark. Well, first off, I was thinking how crazy it'd be to be landing in these winds. It was crazy windy. There had to be 70 mile an hour gusts. But then I thought, we have become so sensitive about...
I mean, every year you think, okay, we can't become more sensitive as a society. And every year it gets more and more, and you're just like, this has got to stop, right? Like it's got to go back to somewhat. Well, everything's a pendulum in life and society and what's acceptable. But here's the thing. I watch Netflix specials. Go back to the Dave Chappelle special. He was saying some things in that special. One had to do about –
It was like a meta approach about how his relationship with the trans community has been in his comedy. He's got a reputation for saying things that are... Yeah, he does. Whatever, blah, blah, blah. And he really leans into it. So much so that I was watching it and some things I found funny just because I find things funny generally. There's a lot of humor and tragedy. One was about his trans friend who had killed herself that he had brought up on stage and because...
And about, she defended him publicly all the time because she's like, he's not a critic of trans. He's a comedian and he just talks shit about it. He's doing his job. But even in that special though, I wanted to see him being like post. So there's things, right? Like there's post-modernism. So the post-offense culture. He's going to be so offensive that it actually...
kind of brings it back to you know the middle or whatever but even in that special there were some things i'm like geez man this is kind of poor taste it's not really funny it just kind of doesn't sound right you know and there is a line where you go yeah i mean i've probably grown in things there's words i've said on the playground that you know if you heard those words talking about you know right well you you grow up and you understand things change and things kind of progress but um
If you listen to a lot of comedy specials of Colt, I don't think that the line has changed. I just think that people are fighting
finding themselves in the niche they want to be. I think that content's still there. Oh, no, I think the lines changed. I think these guys would love to be doing stuff. But also, sometimes it's good that it changed, right? I watched a Dean Martin roast all the time, and man, some of that stuff was real racist and not funny, right? Everything Dean Martin ever said to Sammy Davis Jr. was racist. Yeah, like you sit there and you're like, again, I can find funny in everything. You watch a lot of that and you're like, God, man, that's just...
That's not even funny anymore, or never was. Race is a weird one, too, because there is things about race that I find hilarious. I hope we don't get to a point where it's off limits because that shit's funny. If your black friends are making fun of you for being a stupid white person, it's hilarious and you laugh together. I agree. And then you'd be like, hey, amongst friends, that's a great time because guys can shit on each other and it's love.
Yeah, well, I mean, when you're with your weird buddies, you're harassing each other. You're right, it is. You take shots at people, but if somebody else did it, you'd all jump in the shit. Yeah, you'd all go find them. So I don't want things to be totally off-limits.
the table. I just like when people get clever about how they do things, right? Yeah. Like, you know, Chappelle leans into race real hard and I find it funny because he does it in a way that I find funny. Like even at the end when he's like, you don't realize I'm not against you. I'm against white people, right? Like I'm sitting there laughing. I'm like, that was hilarious. Like I don't, you know, and I was with you. I was watching and some of it, I was like, not so much. You're missing the boat. But I just feel like we've gotten so much
so sensitive as a community but again then you get some stupid stuff like the raiders you know john gruden's email that's then yeah now now maybe maybe there is right you know of course big news here in las vegas john gruden out as raiders head coach uh chucky super bowl winning and monday night football hallmark cornerstone of the game if you will
out at the Raiders for obviously the emails that he wrote 10 years ago. So the question becomes with that, you know, you look at a situation where, and the stuff he wrote was offensive. There's no question. And some of it was three years ago, wasn't it? Yeah. No, no, no, no. And sorry to cut you off real quick.
You guys, this goes back to what we talked about two episodes ago. Like do not put stuff in emails that you would not want read out loud. Right? Like in a courtroom, not even that in front of your locker room, like some of this stuff, like that's your people. Like that is your team. Everything you do in business, write it down.
Yep. Everything about a deal, about an agreement, about a transaction, always put that in email. Social commentary, conversations with your buddies. Never. Never email. That's one of my best pieces of advice I always give everybody is you want to cut through and clarify everything. And if you want to save yourself a lot of trouble in sales and business and everything else is eliminate that –
to eliminate that situation where your client says, I don't remember saying that, or you didn't say this. And this is how you do that is every single time you have a conversation with a client that involves a deal point devolves anything that's a hinge within that transaction, send them a follow-up email and just say, Hey Bob, just following up with the conversation we just had. This is what we discussed. This is our course of action. This is what we're doing.
And then if later at some point, if they say, well, you didn't say that, or I didn't say that, you go, go back to your email. You can refer back to it. And it diffuses the situation instantaneously because what a lot of people will do is they will, their clients will forget or misremember or whatever you want to say it, something that happened or they said, or you were supposed to execute on or a deal point. And that person will then go back and say, well, I don't remember saying that. And then they fight with, start fighting with their client.
And I always tell people, if you win an argument with your client, the prize is losing a client. That's what it is. That's in, what is that, Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People. Was it? You've never won an argument in your life. Yeah, true. What are you talking about? I mean, I have because I go to court, and that's a different thing. Right. But you've never won an argument with a friend. No.
Because even if it's a friend, you still kind of hurt their feelings. Yeah, they walk away feeling belittled. So no, you don't win. There's no winning. Unless you tell them their kids are fat. And they turn that around. Hey, you, dress like Hitler. You got a fat kid. That's what you can't do. So, Colt, where do you think the line is? I want to know. Colt's line. What's the line on what's the most, what's the furthest you would go personally? In a costume? In a Halloween costume.
Yeah. You know, I mean, unpopular opinion. I don't love Halloween like everybody else in Vegas. Of course.
Of course he doesn't love Halloween. I'm not a candy guy. Of course you're not. But you are one of those guys that likes candy corn. Oh, God, no. Top five worst candies. But do you know what? Every time I have to go to a party that you have to be dressed up on, you know what my go-to is? Spider or Spider-Man? Superman. Superman.
I have. I wear a black suit with the Superman. I go as Clark Kent. Clark Kent. Every time. I'm the lamest Halloween guy, but those candy corns, God, they're horrible. Is it amazing that they can still sell those in 2021? I mean...
honestly can we get a cancel culture against candy corn if you like it let me know it is the spirit airlines of candy you know what's the most underrated candy whatchamacallit I love the whatchamacallit I agree with you sir great great candy but no I'm somebody that you can people come up to me all the time and
Hey, why don't you ever get your teeth fixed? Right? Like, I don't know. Cause I like it. I don't get offended by shit. Like I, I, you could make fun of me. You could do whatever. Um, I always tell people you can make fun of somebody for anything and
Other than something they're born with. Yeah, because that's what I don't. Inalienable characteristics will hurt. Yep. If you talk to a guy who's short, that's always a sting. Because what can you do about it? Yeah. Because if you're fat, you can get in shape. Yep. If you're whatever, you can get your, you know, you can get contact lenses, whatever it is. I could fix my teeth tomorrow if I wanted to. But there's things that if you can't change them, that's always going to, and I don't care if they say they're cool with it. They're not cool. You hear a little guy.
Saying, oh, I need a step stool. That's total defense mechanism. That is a survival technique learned. Yeah. But other than that, I think a lot of things are fair games, though. I mean, again, I find humor in a lot of stuff. You know, and that probably some stuff that I shouldn't. Like, I'll be sitting there somewhere and I'll figure out something and start laughing. What was your best Halloween costume of all time? Mine.
my mom made them. We didn't have the best money, right? She took a sheet, put it over his head. Yeah. Charlie Brown Ghost. Nah, she made me like a NASA thing, spray painted it. I think I was high the whole night. So it was pretty cool. So I was just put on a bell clava and was a ninja. Ninja. Because it was like freezing up by October 30th. I love to tell me about my ninja disguise t-shirts. I love that. That's great. We picked it up.
No, the best one I ever had personally, this is maybe 10 years ago now. I'm going to say Kenny Powers. Nice. Dude, and I had it down. It was like the black ecstasy outfit. And my wife was like, that is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. Nobody's going to know who you are. Everybody knew. Dude, eh.
Everybody knew. Don't you love people? I feel like you should be able to dress up once a month to just kind of see if people get you. You know who your real friends are. At that point, people that were like, hell yeah, you know what? We could be friends. Figure out who's friends and not. If people are offended by it or don't get it,
It's all right. Keep moving. We're not going to be friends. But we all do come from an era, though, where you had to memorize things because we didn't have the internet and memes. So we had to memorize things like movies and music. Yeah. Right? To do something, to have something to talk shit about your buddy. Yeah. No. But,
But memes, man, how funny is that? The only good thing about the internet, I can get lost in memes. Well, let's take a quick break. Guys, we'll be back from the break. When we come back, we're going to talk about if you've been listening to this and you're thinking to yourself after hearing the John Gruden news, if you're thinking to yourself, oh shit, I probably did something stupid maybe 10 years ago. Let's talk about how to get a plan for getting ahead of that to maybe minimize that damage if that's something that you actually did. Back in a minute.
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If you've got bad ideas, stupid, where's the line with Halloween costumes? Just all kinds of stuff. But if you saw John Gruden get fired for some stuff, he said, you know, 10, 3, whatever, how long ago it was, just stupid things he may have done. And you may have thought to yourself, oh, shit. I used to be a moron. I used to be an idiot. And, you know, the first thing I'll say about this is I'm going to celebrate one of the Beastie Boys. I don't know which one it was. Whichever one it was. They were doing an interview and they said, you know,
how can you come out here now and say that you support women when your lyrics were so misogynistic in the past and all of these things? And his comment back was, he goes, look,
I would rather be called a hypocrite than be somebody that's never learned and evolved as a human, is what he said. So, you know, I like to think that we all get better as we get older. We've all said and done dumb things in the past, some more dumb than others. But let's say, Connell, you're sitting there and you're somebody at home and they're sweating it out right now. Actually, you know what? I'm going to save your voice of reason for just, you know, the voice of whatever might happen. So, Colt, let's say it's you.
What's your plan, buddy? I think it was Ad-Rock, by the way. Yeah, yeah. Was it Ad-Rock? You know, I don't know. Tell people go F themselves. Like, right? Like, no. Double down? Yeah, just double down. Be like, you know what? I believed it then. I believe it now. And, yeah. No, honestly. Just went in doubt. Just go super defensive and double down. Triple down. You forgot about it completely from 10 years ago? No. Look, I...
If anybody's out there and says they don't have something, they said something stupid. Hey, first off, something 20, 30 years ago that was completely normal is now something stupid sometimes. So things can get dragged in and, you know, it can become an issue where, hey, you know what? Back then, 20 years ago, what I said.
wasn't as bad, but you have to own up to it, right? Like you had John Gruden resigned that quick because there was no owning up to it. And there was no, you could not fix. There was too many. He went after, uh, women. He went after, uh, black people. He went after, uh, gay people, gay people. He went after,
He went after, I mean, he just knocked it all out in one email. It was the bingo card of offense. Yeah, no, you know, but I. Try off one. You know, he could have probably came back from it if he'd own up to it and everything. But I think in this culture, you can own up to one, not four. You know what I didn't like? Dude, this is what I really didn't like that Gruden did.
I didn't like the spin on the lips comment was supposed to mean he's got rubber lips and he's like, like, is he like looking at some 1700s thesaurus for analogies that will somehow balance that out? Try to see if that's actually a phrase that people use. Yeah, I didn't look. I'm going to look it up now. You know what's funny though? The irony is this, is that the Raiders, now here's the thing. People talk shit about the Raiders sometimes. Oh, a bunch of thugs.
think of the history of the raider in terms of how um they had the first black coach art shell yeah they had the first hispanic coach right nasib came out as openly gay player right right right they're they're like the most woke team in the nfl oh yeah they are entirely out there this had a strong just wanted to win he did it doesn't matter pro race relations pro player
well i think that's when the raiders have a strong history of inclusiveness and so does las vegas as a city we don't it's a place with a lot of kind of transient people and blend yeah 60s it wasn't nowadays things grow over time right and i'd like to think our city is well i think anytime you're in a cool little spot like vegas or miami or new york you know you'll still go to you know somewhere in the middle of
or something that it's not. Right. And I think that's a beauty of, like you said, traveling, right? When you travel, you get around all these different cultures and stuff. The great thing about living in a big city is you get to see different cultures. I mean, I never in my life, uh,
ate cuban food you know like we didn't have cubans growing up you know we had a lot of mexicans a lot of guatemalans but to get that or real like authentic asian you know like chinese food or something like that like you don't get it and then to get the cultures you don't understand people people that's why people even come to las vegas that's why that's why it's everything a piece of show like zoomanity which to me is just laughable i think
You know what? I think we've actually hit it on Zumanity as much as we've hit it on Chili's. Let me tell you something, Chili's. You thought you were going to get away with it. We have a segment where we didn't talk about you, but no, you didn't. You served me six margaritas and then towed my car, Chili's. Towed his car? Did he ever get your money from that? Salt Lake City Chili's.
I'm going to Salt Lake. No, I'm going to Salt Lake. I'll be right next to there. Would you like me to take some? No, I think you should go in there and you should tell them. Say, hey, look, dude. I don't know if you guys know this. There's this podcast and they talk about you guys every week. There's a target on here. Follow Colt underscore Amidon on Instagram. I'll send a picture of the show. No, here's what I want you to do. No, seriously. Want me to serve them? No, I want you to go into Chili's.
And I want you to say, hey, did you guys know there's a podcast that talks about your restaurant every week? And they'll be like, really? Say, yeah. And then I want you to get the manager on live. Say, can I get to sit and be like, why is server guy six margaritas in the towless car? That's what you're asking. It's up to you, Chili's. I might do it. And then he'd go, why are you going to a Garth Brooks concert?
John. Allegedly. John. Counselor. Allegedly, counselor. But yeah, no, so to Colt's advice of doubling down, I'm not sure if I would take that one. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. People, if you, there's this Chinese saying that the nail that sticks out gets hammered. So the more you're in a public situation,
forum, the more you're noticed, there's just going to be greater income. 99% of people aren't going to be at home and that stupid email they sent to their girlfriend or whatever, it's not going to resurface for the most part. Just it's not. Everybody has skeletons in their closet.
You know what's even the worst thing is when you get those Facebook memories from 10 years ago. Oh, God. Fringy. I delete. And you're in blackface as dressed as Hitler. You're like, oh, man, that was probably a bad choice. Blackface, that's meta. So, no, it's one of those things that's probably not going to fix. But if it does, you know, obviously...
Think people that apologize in terms of now here's the other thing you don't have to apologize for every little fucking indiscretion that people accuse you of yeah, here's so so there's two things that happened at the same time back in the day Tiger Woods was busted for adultery and you know who else was at that very same time was Dave Letterman and you remember Dave Letterman's response
- No. - You know why you don't remember it? - Yeah. - 'Cause he didn't put one out. - He didn't respond. - 'Cause he said, "Hey, go fuck yourself, private matter." - Yup. - And you know what? Because he wasn't gonna give people reasons to keep clutching their pearls and feed into, what did Tiger Woods do? He went and ran and he went and hid and he let it affect him. - He let it tore him out. - He thought it was like, yeah, anyway, on to the next thing, none of your business. People went, well, if we're not gonna get a response from them that we want, it's not gonna go anywhere.
So, Justin. So, Colt. Top five hottest Tiger Woods mistresses. Well, so I actually knew.
I can't go into that. So I got really cool. So I I'll tell you guys that off. I can't. Yeah. No, sometimes, sometimes. Well, hang on. Stop. No, stop. Stop. I'm not. Wait a second. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no. You know, our, our 10,000 plus subscribers. Now we have our responsibility to the people. Colt to share the story with. Nope. I tell you what, just change the names.
And I'll click the camera over. So when they look like it's on YouTube, it looks like Chris, move your mouth. It looks like you're telling the story. Um,
No, some of my buddies, they knew that he was married to the girl that blew it out, right? He called Tiger Woods and was like, hey, the wife's going to throw you in the car. No, no, no. It was going to call and tell him. He's saying she was married to one of the mistresses. Oh. And, you know, called and said, hey, you might want to get in front of this. But there's a lot to it. But he went on tour. Sometimes –
You're making things worse. You are. I keep talking about stuff, right? Like sometimes if you're going and don't do the bullshit, if I offended, you did offend people. Just say I offended people, right? Like don't do if I offended you. I'm sorry. That's such a bullshit. I'm sorry. You're offended. Yeah. Just just sit there and say I offended you. That's a hollow apology. I'm sorry. No. And I think that's it. I think when people sometimes it's the most appropriate. Is it? I'm sorry that you're
you are incapable of managing your own feelings. But you know what? If you said it that way, it's different, right? Like if you say that's what you said offended me, I said, I'm sorry that you're incapable of managing your emotions as an adult. I'm sorry that it's... I'm sorry that's true. But you know what? Honestly, it just depends on how bad it was, right? Like John Gruden, there was...
there's no coming back at that when you are relied upon with 90% African American people, you know, and you're supposed to be the leader of that. You can't pay $10 million to make better decisions. Well, yeah. And in all fairness, he wasn't working for the organization. He wasn't doing that, but, but Chris, it goes to me, my, my issues with you're working, you're working in the game. Yeah. My, my issue with Gruden is, um,
You're not some guy that's around nothing but white guys and don't know. They don't know the difference, right? Like they're not hidden in some little town in the middle of nowhere. You've been around. When you're around different cultures, you understand. Look, there are a piece of crap. White people, there's a piece of crap. Black people, there's a piece of crap. Mexicans, there's a piece of crap, right? That when you become to that point is my problem with him is
how are you around these people and still after being exposed and not not being oh god maybe he was so a lot of those players came out and were like you know he's not a racist here's the other thing too
There's a lot of people that say stupid things, right? You can say stupid things and not be an actual racist, right? Yeah, I agree. And I think sometimes people forget that...
that a lot of times we have to look at people as flawed messengers of things. We have to look at people as... Not everybody's good with their words. This guy thought he was making a joke, and he's an idiot. If you come out and you go, hey, what I said there was really shitty, and I would never do that again. And I was stupid and maybe wasn't exposed to it. He's got black hair.
And he's got gay athletes on his team. I know. That's why he was resigned. Everybody sat there and goes, oh, he'll come back from it. No, no, no. As soon as I heard that it went after both, I'm like, he's done. You can't. And they were the first female president. The Raiders were the first organization that are female in a C-level position. So he went all three levels of protected individuals that have faced historical problems, discrimination.
he went after white three and, and as a power broker is like a white man and you know, all that, he, he really, it would have been really, uh,
it would have been really encouraging if he had made better choices for people because he's in a position of leadership. So if you see people in positions of leadership make high character decisions, right? It's, you're going to, you know, it's really going to double down and reinforce your love for them and your loyalty. But when you have people in those powers of, you know, we've all been in, in text chains where people say things. Well, let me ask you, let me ask you a question. We haven't asked yet. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Well, yeah. Let me ask this question.
Let me ask this question. The score at the end of the fourth quarter this weekend, if it's 35-3, the Raiders win, does Gruden retire? I know. Yes, absolutely. That's what I'm... If he wins, if he wins... Raiders are 5-0? Yeah. We're going to send him to that rehabilitation shit where they send all the celebrities. He's getting treatment. He's getting treatment for being an asshole. The problem is he didn't go after just one...
He didn't make it. But I'm telling you, I think he could be undefeated. No, no, no. You could punch your wife out in the middle of an elevator and come back. Not anymore. Joe Mixon's still playing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No kidding. Yeah, but if that would have happened three years later, no. Even though it just – we are at a time that is so extreme, and I'm telling you, every year is getting more and more.
More and more. If you watch all of the NFL shows, you watch all the NFL shows this week, all they talked about, it's going to be interesting to see how the players respond in the locker room.
how the players respond to Gruden after seeing this. And I think if they would have come out and won 35 to three, I don't know if we're talking about this right now. I completely agree with you, John. I completely agree. Michael Vick is an analyst for Fox Sports. The guy fought dogs. The guy fought dogs. Literally, the one thing you can't do in this world is abuse animals. Yeah. You can see children starving. People don't give a shit. If a dog is starving, oh my God. Did you see the cats thing? Did you ever see that? The cats thing on Netflix? Yeah.
Oh, don't fuck with cats? Did you ever see that? Perfect point. Don't fuck with cats on Netflix. Perfect point. About somebody that tortured a cat, right? And they found them through the most forensic... And the guy turned out being a murderer as well. Yeah. Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. Murderer. But if the Raiders are 5-0 and they're putting up like...
Bills-level play, okay? We're not having this conversation. Joe Mixon hit that girl. This was three years ago. He punched her like Evander Holyfield in his prime. He punched her like I've never...
Those guys can come back if you win. Money is the only thing that matters in the NFL. They don't care about it. They don't give a shit about what you said, what you did. If you're winning and you're making money for the broadcast, you're protected from a point of high by the principal. Kaepernick would still be playing if he was good. No. Kaepernick would be playing if he was good. Yes, he would. Oh, if he was good. Yeah, if he was good. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Patrick Mahomes came down and was needed. Oh, no, for sure. For 1,000%. The problem is Kaepernick just really was –
serviceable yeah flash in the pan he's serviceable right yeah
If you look at any of these guys that are producing at a high level, there's a place for them in the NFL. I agree with that. But not as a coach because you're on a whole different – you're almost a boss. If Urban Meyer was 5-0 in Jacksonville, he could have the entire – Well, that's – Well, I think we – you know what Urban's – Urban's doing what he always does. Urban's Urban. No, no. Urban is doing what Urban always does, which is –
That USC job came open. It was reported not, I guess, last week. I promise we're not devolving this whole thing into a sports show, I promise. But no, it came out last week that a source that's a friend of his said Urban made the comment that playing in the NFL was like playing Alabama every week. Every week, yeah. Every week. And it was wearing on him. And then here he's like, okay, so let's see. I was a guy at the University of Florida. I could do whatever I wanted.
Bend the rules. And when the heat came, I just bailed out, said I needed to go to some sort of, I needed some time, whatever. And then I go to Ohio State where I do whatever I want and I get treated like a god. And that's good. And then I come here and I'm getting my ass kicked every week and it's not good. And oh wait, did USC just fire their coach? No, apparently he had been in talks for the USC job. Now he's not getting it.
Oh, really? Yeah. You think USC has now pulled the plug on it because of that? I think. I hope so. He's got to retire. I mean, it's not just a Florida State Seminole and me talking, but I hate that dude.
that dude. So I hate that guy. Anyway, it might just be the Florida state seminar. I'll be talking, but I hate that guy. But anyway, you know, when crisis hits in crisis, it could hit you in any time, who knows the way that things go and everybody has a past. And I got to tell you, I have a personal experience with this. It was, it was pretty brutal and it was bad. And here's my story as to what happened is, you know, I was on the apprentice with Donald Trump many moons ago. For those of you didn't know that I was a contestant on that show in season three.
And that show dramatically changed after season two. And what I mean by that is there was a very major change that happened between season two and season three, The Apprentice, and it was this.
If you watched that show years ago, essentially it was people competing for a job to work for Donald Trump, which I know you can put as much value in that as you want now. But back in the day, it was the number one show on NBC. It was huge. I mean, there's millions of people saw it. The exposure you got from being on the show was worth kind of whatever happened. So season one or two, you'd watch it. It was like watching a great horse race where you would have contestants name with the horses would run and you would pick a horse. And then, you know, as it would go along, they get eliminated and your horse would lose. And then came a contestant named Omarosa.
Omarosa for lack of a better phrase was an absolute just train wreck villain villain she I think she came on the show with the intention of being a villain and it was season two and when Trump fired her when he got rid of her and
everybody went berserk and yay trump yay trump for firing her well like here's a little known fact about about our former president he feeds on attention in case you didn't know that he likes he likes the applause likes the applause of the big arena i know shocker right likes the applause of the big arena enjoys it thrives on it it powers him so the big change between season two and season three was trump became an executive producer on the show he was hired help first two seasons he
He had no say so with anything and how the show was run, but to stay on, he wanted producer cut, which means he got input on how the show was. Now, when you film a reality show, for those of you don't know, you have camera, multiple cameras on you all day long, right? It's just, it does not stop. I mean, we were there for 50 something days and you live with a camera on you where you're sleeping, where you're walking, talking everywhere you go. There's always a camera.
And essentially what they do is the job of the reality television producers is not necessarily to report the truth. The job is to create a compelling story that you'll want to watch. It's entertainment, right? So for example, I could tell Colt a joke. I could tell him the moth joke, which I won't, but I could. I could tell Colt the moth joke and it could go on for eight minutes, whatever. And at the end of it, Colt could laugh like crazy hysterically. And then 10 minutes from now, I could tell Colt my grandmother died and I could get Colt's reaction.
The people editing the show could decide it's better to take the joke and then the reaction from the grandmother and mix them together to make it look like the joke fell flat. They could very easily do that.
And what The Apprentice became, and it was subsequent seasons until it was over, was you could see who was going to get fired on The Apprentice a mile away. Because they started doing things like playing the French horn music when you walked by. And it became the goal of production, or I think really under the direction of Trump, to villainify everybody that got fired.
It became very easy to watch and figure out what was going to happen because Trump wanted to look like the hero every week when he got rid of
The idiot contestant, the moron contestant, the mean contestant, the, this person contestant. So long story short, how this affected me was I went to New York to watch my final episode. Cause they, you don't show it to you that you're filming, you're filming it. Then you go home and then they come back the week you get fired to do all your press. And I went back to New York and I was sitting in Jim down who was the lawyer for NBC. He's passed away since nice guy, but I was sitting in his office watching my final episode and dude,
Now, granted, this stuff came out of my mouth at certain times, but I would be joking around with some of the girls like Aaron and Stephanie and some of the girls were on the show with me and I would say something funny. And during this task, I made a comment that I was going to go pimp some girls and they were all giggling. It was funny. We were laughing about this. But they cut that together to make it look like they were hyper offended by it. So I get labeled a sexist.
Even though I was partner, you know, every company I had at the time, I was partners with a woman. I've been working around women my whole life. I had tons of female employees. And it was just, it was so crazy to me as I'm watching this unfold that I kind of got the tone of what they were trying to do with the edit. And I was like, holy shit, this is going to be bad. And I literally, I literally picked up my chair and threw it at the wall in Jim Dowd's office. I'm like, you can't air this. He's like,
It's done. There's nothing we can do. This is where you're at. You signed away. You signed away. Exactly. You signed it all the way. And so there comes the French born on John. And it was so bad that literally Katie Couric refused to interview me on the Today Show.
She refused. Cause you're the heel. Cause I was, did Matt want to? No, Lester Holt. I had to do it. Lester Holt did not be interviewed, but Katie was supposed to, she refused to do it. That pig. And then I spent an entire day on press of what should have been me promoting my company and talking about positive things that I do playing defense.
to my performance on this thing. - Like Homer Simpson when he grabs the Venus de Milo off the gummy. - Yeah, so literally here's what happens. And this is back in the day. So back in the day there was Television Without Pity was the forum where I'm getting murdered on these online forums.
you know, people are up in arms about me. I'm just getting demolished. And, and, you know, I like to say my claim to fame is the, the, you know, I took the most dramatic nosedive in reality show history. Cause everybody, the first episode, they're like, this guy's going to win. He's the smartest guy ever. And man, like this guy string them up. And I'm like, Oh my God. And it was dude. And it was a mind twist. Cause especially it was something that, you know,
Taken out of context. I didn't even really do so What I did was I played defense all day and I tried to explain this and I tried to explain you know They're they're telling a story and they're playing me as a character and they wanted me to be the evil prince or a boss blah blah And that even made it worse So thinks he's so important that they're gonna time out - God Yeah, it did it made it worse so the reality of it is is if anything like this happens you do a couple things and
What I should have said and what I should have done was, number one, as soon as it came out, both Aaron and Stephanie, the girls that were supposedly hyper offended, came kind of rushing to my defense. I'm like, dude, that was crazy. Like, if you want us to go on and say anything and, you know, in this day and age, it'd be much easier with social media because you could just connect up to people and put stuff out. It would be everywhere. Then literally I had the 45 seconds that the camera was on me to make a point.
you know, when I was doing these interviews, it'd be much easier to deal with now. But if you, if you deal with it now, I think a couple of things, number one, own the fact that whatever came out of your mouth came out of your mouth. Don't double down on it. Own the fact that what it was, I really like social proofing. If you supposedly offended someone or a person or said something directly to that person, I think that person directly saying I was not offended is a positive. Sure. I think it's, I think it's hard to continue to get on the road of, of,
of saying, you know, like for example, if I send an email to you and I say something mean to you and it comes up and people are like, oh, he's so mean. You'd be like, dude, that I was not offended by that. We were just joking around. Don't, don't be there. Don't also be this guy to your point, John, don't be the guy that's like, I'm not racist. I have a black friend. I'm not racist.
I'm not a sexist, I have daughters. You can be a sexist father. What you want to do is say, look, yeah, I said that, and I wouldn't say that again because I don't feel like those words are appropriate anymore. And that's not how I feel.
That, I think, is one of those responses where if you don't take that as good enough, that's a you problem. I can't help you. I can't help you manage your own feelings because I want people to grow and change. Like you said, the Beastie Boys point.
It was Thomas Jefferson or something. He said, you're a flip-flopper politically. You felt this position one day and now you feel this way. He goes, well, when the facts change, my opinions change. And I've learned, oh, I didn't realize that, you know, I hear people say this all the time. Why don't these people pull themselves up with the bootstraps? Or why don't women do this? Or why don't, I don't like when gay people shove it in my face. It's like, well, is it being shoved in your face or do people just want equal rights?
You go, oh, well, I didn't realize that my perspective made me only see something one way. I've changed my opinion. That's what I want to see in this world. And if it hasn't changed after reviewing the facts objectively, then it hasn't changed. But at the end of the day, we need in our culture to be open to change and growth. But I think you're going to be the victim. I mean, thank God, honestly. I said the comment earlier, it would have been easier with social media that I could have put out a better –
statement to deal with that when it happened 10 years ago or 15 years ago whenever it was jesus but it would but it would get old sitting here i think i did but no i could i could have put out a better statement dealing with that but the reality of it is is it probably would have been worse i mean look at this and i'm going to talk about this i don't know if i should i'm going to talk about it anyway but i don't know if you guys saw this but um nascar race at talladega i don't know if you saw this or not um
Racer wins. It wins the truck race. His name is Brandon something. Let's go, Brandon. Let's go, Brandon. Yeah. All right. Do you know who that reporter is? No. That's Gavin's wife. That's my partner's wife. Oh, wow. Yeah. So let's talk about that. What happened? Okay. So here's what happened. Here's what happened. Here's what happened. So everybody's on the sidelines of this thing and they're chanting, they're chanting, fuck Joe Biden. Right. She's got those NASCAR.
pit headphones on where I'm sorry, these headphones are designed to let you talk to the booth while there's a 2000 horsepower, whatever car revving at 9,000 RPM standing. Yeah. NASCAR race. You don't not understand. It's so, it's so, it's so incredibly loud. Here's the thing. I'm telling you this right now is she got a bullet about people like, Oh, the left wing media, you know, they made her say that it's covered up, blah, blah, dude.
This is my business. This is not like I heard from a dude that kind of knows a chick that maybe news. This is my business partner's wife, right? He told me for the love of God, that's what she thought they were saying. Why wouldn't you? There was no, there was no, there was no coverup. There's nobody in her ear. NBC is not trying to do anything deliberate. Now I'm going to, am I not saying that NBC is left-leaning liberal? Of course they are. Yes, they are. But in that particular moment, she,
She had no clue what they're saying, and she got absolute vitriol tossed at her social media. Gavin got emails attacked at him. Oh, left-wing libertarian. Dude, no. She's trying to do her job at a NASCAR race, not make a political statement about what it is. And because of the echo chamber that people like to exist in online, now she's – and here's a newsflash for you.
I'm pretty sure because I know the net worth of my partner and as well I'm pretty sure they don't vote blue let me go and help you out without you know let me help you out right now pretty sure they vote with the old checkbook there buddy I'm I don't know that for a fact but I'm pretty sure they're conservative yeah have you seen that meme that it has uh um the English Chanters in the soccer stadium
The chant is, that is embarrassing. That is embarrassing. So in English, they chant this thing, that is embarrassing. But there's this thing, it has eight different things. It's like, Flintstone vitamins. Which one is this? It's like that guy that did the whole comedy sketch. But the point is, like, okay, number one...
It's not what she said. Right. But number two, even if it was her and on the headphones, you get a live broadcast from Talladega and this is not what happened. But even if it was, and you got your boss in your ear saying, you need to address this and say this.
You're a paid employee with headphones on. Listen to the booth, the producer, tell you what to say. Even if it was that, she doesn't deserve to get smashed the way this just, and it's disgusting and offensive that people think that they're somehow defending some ideology by attacking her is ridiculous and offensive. But what about this? Let's say she heard them clear as day in here.
And they're saying, fuck Joe Biden. What is she going to do? What's she supposed to do? Say, oh, those people behind you are saying, fuck Joe Biden. You hear that, Brandon? So wouldn't, isn't like literally the most, um,
nimble on your feet thing to do would be to say, Hey, I think they're cheering for you, Brandon. Yeah. But I'm, but I'm telling, but I'm telling you, I'm telling you galaxy brain shit. No, she could have done that on her feet. I know it is. It's super way. But to John's point, that's genuinely what she thought they were saying. And genuinely is. And now she's dealing with that Viltro. And she is one of the sweetest people that I know. And it's, it's, it's such a realize that they've got multiple people talking to them. They've got headphones. They've got headphones.
when you're doing interviews or you know these guys have two or three people in their ear like talking stuff you can't hear anything you can't hear anything so not only are you not listening if you could hear something but you're focused you know well that went back to yeah we talked about before it's the it's the anonymous green egg on twitter that's got all these big opinions they don't do though yeah she's out there on tv she's out there you know presenting herself i
It's childish that people would think that she's got some Illuminati level. Well, let's hope. If you listen to this, let's hope you've never said anything stupid. If it does come to light a day, hopefully it gets dealt with in a way where people are kind to you and accept the fact that you can grow as a human. Legally, though, here is something I would say. I always tell people,
Have that phone call, have that conversation, even if, and again, I'm not trying to say diffuse responsibility, but admitting mistakes in an email is,
probably not a great idea yeah don't don't double down on on the fact that the written word is going to screw you over call them and say hey look i apologize whatever blah blah blah if you send an email oh mea culpa you know oh i was wrong that could have consequences right so apologies are better in person on the phone plan on that being read anything like you always say anything that you put in writing plan on being read in the courtroom yeah and if you're not happy with that
- Facing those exact texts in a deposition order. - Exactly, exactly. All right, well, that's gonna wrap it up for another episode of The Power Move. Thanks again for subscribing. If you like what we do, tell a friend. If you hate what we do, tell two, 'cause it doesn't matter if they're talking as long as they're talking. Hey, it's John Gafford. If you wanna catch up more and see what we're doing, you can always go to thejohngafford.com where we'll share any links that we've, things we talked about on the show, as well as links to the YouTube where you can watch us live.
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