"Taste!" (w/ Dua Lipa)

Publish Date: 2024/5/1

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Look, man. Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. Not only did Bowen and I get the denim memo, but our guests like auspiciously showed up in denim.

Let's just say we're all on the same page today. It's a hot one. It's going to be a good one. I'm radically optimistic about it. Eye contact. Eye contact? Eye contact? Down the barrel? 100%. We were sent the new album and it is so good. It's my favorite one. It is?

Why do you sound so shocked? What do you mean it is? What do you mean it is? Was I like surprised? Was I, was there supposed to be an introduction? I don't even think we need the intro. I don't think we need the intro. Can we say, well, yes, let's give the intro. I wasn't surprised, but I'm just so happy. Oh my God. First of all, you should be very happy about what you've done. So happy about what you've done to our lives. Yeah.

Quickly, this is Grammy Brit Award winning icon. Both of her prior albums are two most streamed albums by a female artist ever. She's headlining Glastonbury this summer at the end of June at the Pyramid Stage. That makes me so happy. And also, I was at Coachella last weekend. And if you don't think I'm bullying you to do Coachella next year as a headliner, don't worry, everyone. I've got your back out there. This is a bully episode.

- This is an episode where we bully Dwayne Butt into doing what we want. Us gay men, she hasn't given us enough. Like I was getting in the words of Adele a bit emotional on the way here because I thought about club future nostalgia. - The first time I met our guest was when she was at SNL and we were talking over the schedule. I was like, you're gonna be grinding on me as like a wartime nurse. - SNL conversations. - By the way,

Club Future Nostalgia, that entire special, kind of the first like concert adjacent experience I had in the pandemic, right? I mean, yeah. And I looked her in her eyes and I was like, thank you so much for that, by the way. That was the highlight of that, like November. I was like, it made me feel like I was at the club for the first time in months. Yeah. Like, oh my God, this is- Remember that New Year's?

Yes! That was like pandemic New Year's. We were like, it was us, like six of our friends, and Dua. And Dua. Yeah, you were there. Dua and Kylie. But, I mean, you know her best from her performance as Marjorie on SNL. You know her best from that. That is her top credit. By the time this comes out, she will be hosting this week. Yes! On May 4th. We're so excited to have her there and here. Everyone, welcome to Alipa!

You're shocked that it's my favorite? Well, I just love that it's your favorite. It's my favorite. I'm just getting these early reviews from you. It's not out yet. Oh my God, are we still embargoed? Not so many people have heard it, so it makes me really happy that you love it. It's such a party the whole time. Like, we love it. I mean, also like, these walls, like that song, I feel like Dolly Parton would be

proud of that melody. It's a country song. It's beautiful. Yeah, you think? It has the structure and the storytelling of a country song in a way. Yeah, well, my gosh. Now when I listen to that song, I look at it really fondly, but it was like a hard song to write in the moment. I bet. It's really that kind of personifying the walls and

understanding how much more they know about you than almost you do yourself. It's like they see everything in a way and they know the breakup and they know when something's bad for you before you know something's bad for you. Wow. That it's imbued with all this like knowledge. Yeah.

Or something or like, I would imagine what these walls have had. I know what we've edited. What you've edited. Exactly. So wait, when you're writing a song like these walls, though, it has to be hard to write because like, are you experiencing that emotion as you're writing it? Or are you someone that like writes down what they're feeling and then later you'll return to it to like musicalize it? Or are you putting your emotions into the work as you're feeling them?

I guess for this album, it was very much like a dear diary. But These Walls was a feeling that I'd previously experienced. And then I was reliving it and writing it down.

You have, I think, my favorite. And I'm not just being superlative because you're in front of us, but the Song Exploder episode of Love Again is incredible because I'm just like, this feels like such an intimate look into the way you were writing for Future Nostalgia, but I feel like I can extrapolate it to this where I'm like, oh, you're basically working with just three people? Mostly you really paired back the team on this.

for Radical Optimism in a way that I was like, this must be so intentional. This is such a nice focused way of like writing an album like this, especially in like a follow up to like this amazing moment in your career with Future Nostalgia. Like what was it like zeroing in on like Danny and Kevin and Caroline too? Like who's like the through line? Yeah, well, it was definitely intentional because I was so excited

almost jealous of hearing stories about bands going into the studio and honing in on certain songs and

It would be like they would start a song and then the next day they would work on something else and then go back to it. And I always felt like I pressured myself or never gave myself that luxury of going back to a song. It was like a song a day. I had to just keep writing and just see what happens. And this time around, I kind of never let a good idea die in a way. Like I would start something and I'd be like, OK, we have something good here. And then if we

We wanted to move on to something just to keep the flow going. We would change onto another song and then go back to it. And we did so many rewrites and we just built the songs in that way. And we just...

As Kevin likes to call it, we were just more of like a spiritual band. Like we just kind of would come in together and we would all just bring in our ideas and just flow. And there was no formula for the songs. It was very much like a free flowing writing session. And I think that just kind of came with a bit of confidence. Like before with all my other songs, it was like whatever I wrote that day with maybe some minor tweaks,

Like the demo was pretty much like what ended up being what everyone heard. I would just go in and rerecord the vocal with some minor lyrical changes. Whereas this time around, I felt confident enough that I was like, oh, I'm a good enough songwriter that I can go in and make this better or change this up or add to the story. I guess in a way that I didn't think I could before. In terms of like genre, I feel like in listening to this, like we listened to it together the other night and like,

The highest compliment I can muster, it's kind of giving, like, Ray of Light era. Like, it's, like, pure pop. Oh, wow. Like, elevated pop. Like, I think that everyone's going to be, like, really excited. But I wonder, like, as someone who has truly earned, like, this could have been an album, like...

that really could have sounded like anything. And I wonder in terms of how you were creating, if you were surprised at like the genres that were popping out, because like we were saying, there is almost a little bit of country on it, like stuff that's really different for you. And I wonder like, was there out of everything you wrote, like how did we pair down to this?

I think touring for a whole year had a big thing to do with it. Like, I think I just, I fell in love so much with the live instrumentation of the record of Future Nostalgia while I was performing it live more so than when I listened to the album version. And then I was like, okay, how do I bring more of that sonically into Radical Optimism? And so that's kind of where it began. It also was like, I was diving into influences of

Primal Scream and the album Scream Adelica and Andy Weatherall mix. And there's just moments in there that just feel like there's just such a freedom to the music and massive attack and Portishead. And it was more of an energy of this kind of free flowing melody and just letting the song kind of take me wherever. But I started writing for Radical Optimism in 2021 and I didn't get anything that I wanted to put on the album until now.

June 2022. Wow. Really? So I was writing for a really long time and I just felt like I had to write myself into a good idea and like sonically. But I guess June was my first session that I did with Kevin, Danny, Tobias and Caroline. Oh, Tobias. Yeah. Yeah. And Illusion was the first song we wrote. Basically, Kevin came down to London just to do one week with us. So Illusion was the first song we did. The next day we wrote Happy For You. And the next day we wrote What You're Doing.

And we were like, oh, we kind of have a good thing going on here. Let's keep writing together. Let's put in some more days. Let's do some more stuff. And then we wrote Training Season and Houdini and then French Exit. And we just kept writing. And we just kept flowing. And so we just ended up having so much of the album together.

It was just such great creative chemistry. Yeah. I feel like not surprised that Illusion was first. No, me neither. But I am surprised that Houdini came later down the pike because it seems like such a Kevin song, such a you song, of course. But I feel like that is such a good lead single because it kind of...

Is the top stone of the pyramid for the rest of the album in a way. Yeah. Well, I think it's definitely got that darker psychedelic. Whether it's the synths or the ambient sounds throughout that just kind of take you into a different world. That separates it from future nostalgia in a way. I think that was also the reason why I wanted that song to come first. Because it takes you somewhere a little bit different. I...

was like shopping for magazines a few years ago. Go off. And I just like looked at a stand. Hell yeah. I was a little chic. Well, I was just like looking at a stand of magazines. It's like that place in Larchmont that like. Oh yeah, I know the place. You know, there's like one with all the magazines. Larchmont girlies here. And this cover stuck out to me because of these words. Okay. And I brought it.

So I love it. It's pinup. It's an architecture magazine, but this was like years ago. Radical optimism. Whoa. Can I give this to you?

Yes. Okay, there's something very Dua Lipa about this magazine. It's like architecture. It is. It's like, look at the typeface. Okay, this is amazing. Like, this is so the album. This is the album. Look at that. Whatever that is. Naughty, naughty. I don't know. Was there a naughty picture in there? It was like... You're scandalizing Dua. It's kind of scandalized. Delete that. Delete that. But like...

Right? Like something seems like very aligned with the album. And like, I feel like there is something. It's synergetic. We were doing a Cowboy Carter episode. That's funny. That's crazy. This is even good. This is even good. This is the album cover. That's great that we got it. That's amazing. Anyway. 2021, 2022. This was like a couple of years ago. And I feel like we were talking about Cowboy Carter and we were talking about how like Beyonce is this like utopian artist. Yeah.

But I was like, when we were listening to the album the other night, I thought to myself, I was like, oh, there's something about Dua that is also like completely hopeful. Completely. - Yeah, you're a lifter. - Even with future nostalgia. - An upper. - You're an upper. - Dua's an upper. It's actually real culture number 94. Dua's an upper. - Crush her up. - Yeah, crush her up. Anyway, no, cut that out. - Cut that out. - I'm telling you about these walls.

These walls. Like, even future nostalgia in that title, it's like, oh, this is implying that there will be a future in which we can celebrate this work and look back on it and be like, oh my God, remember when this came out? Immediately that album has the sentimental value, right? Like, we all will forever associate that album with, oh my God, what's happening in the world? At least we have this. At least, like, I remember, like, our friends, like, on Instagram, like, that week of lockdown in New York being like,

Guys, at least we have Dua Lipa releasing the album a week early because she loves her fans so much and she knows what the world is going through. Yeah, you know what the world needed. Dr. Dua. Dr. Dua. You know what I mean? I feel like you must identify with this drive of like,

can I make the world slightly better? Can the point of view be like, things are going to be okay? I definitely love like that as a point of view, for sure, is something that I always aim for. Because I see music and words that I sing as like a mantra. And if I'm going to get up on stage and sing it every night, I might as well be saying something nice. Yeah. Or something good or something that's going to make me feel better. Because if I'm going to be singing this for a really long time, I'm not trying to, you know, drag me back to a bad place.

experience or something, or even if I'm singing about something that's dance crying in a way, there's always an optimistic flair to it in some way. Like that's always really important. But this is insane because I was thinking like radical optimism was introduced to me through like the term radical optimism through a friend of mine while I was doing a talk with him on his podcast. And he was like, you know what the world needs is radical optimism. And I just lived with it for so long. And I'm like,

I got to show him this. Yeah, the fact that that's physicalized in the world. It's unbelievable. It's really cool. It just...

But like, it landed on me the same way where like those words showed up and I was like, oh my God, why hadn't I considered that as like- And that you were walking Larchmont at that moment. You found this. I was going to go to Go Get Em Tiger, but then the magazine stand stopped me. You went to Sam's Bagels because they are better. No, but wait a minute. Cut that out. Go Get Em Tiger is going to- No, don't. That's my messy moment. Warring bagel stores on Larchmont. I can get involved in that. Wait, I just want to like know-

Because we're talking about how important feels like a crazy word, but it really was like to have future nostalgia, like during the time it came out. I wonder if you at the time were like, it's the pandemic. I don't want to do this, but I feel like.

a calling to do it because now looking back like thank God you did that and I genuinely think it will bind you to people forever because they will have that association. That connection to it. Yeah. And the amount of people that actually I mean it is like that's how they connect the album is to that time period for sure.

But I guess like anyone else, like I thought, you know, we'd be in it for two weeks or it'd be like a month. And then my tour just kept getting pushed and pushed and pushed. And it was like two years later. And I was like, I don't even know if I'm going to go on tour. That's when I started writing Radical Optimism, but nothing was coming. And that was probably because I had to go on the Future Nostalgia Tour and do that before I was ready to start writing for anything new. But yeah.

Was it because it was so freewheeling in the process of songwriting, like maybe with Kevin and Danny and Tobias and Caroline, like naming all these names. But first of all, Tobias Jusso Jr. Have you listened to his actual album? Because he kind of got like,

swept up in the songwriting milieu like with Adele with like when we were young but he has a great solo album that I think you would love I'm sure you've heard of him yeah he's amazing yeah I know yeah yeah you gotta check him out in this time of it feels like there is so much new music it feels like every couple weeks like there's this incredible banger coming out in terms of that like the amount of like volume what do you attribute that to like the fact that like everyone feels like very creatively juiced right now like

That feels like that way to me. Yeah, for sure. You don't feel like it's been like that? I guess so. I feel like there's such a heavy influx of music and artists. And I think streaming has made it possible to just constantly discover so many people from all around the world. I've never seen...

seen it more than now. In the past few years. It definitely feels like a change. I was at Coachella, like I said, about a week and a half ago, and I remember leaving and being like, music isn't such a good, fun place. Because everywhere you looked, there was something cool happening or someone interesting...

I found this artist, Olivia Dean. Oh. I think she's incredible. She's amazing. Yeah, and I didn't know of her. And meanwhile, she's so the vibe of- Did she perform at Coachella? She did. Was she good? She was great. She was in the Goldby tent, which is like a more intimate. You've been to Coachella. Amazing. I went for a day.

You went for a day? Yeah. You should go for two weeks. I should go for a little longer. I went one time because I went to go sing a song I did with Martin Garrix years ago. And so I went for the day and I explored it and I haven't been and I've never performed other than that. You must. You must. Do a cello. It has to happen. I could see that...

That's on your agenda for today? It's on my agenda. I have an agenda here. There's an agenda. Yeah. I mean, it's like that silly thing of when you leave Coachella and have a good time, it becomes your personality for like a week and a half afterwards. I was just like, that was so good. And everyone was talking about the potential of Duochella. I mean, nothing... It's not going to be confirmed here on Lost Coach today. I can tell you that right now. Unless... Unless... Look, it's not necessary.

No, there's just no plan for it right now. Right. But maybe. I'm starting. Okay. Wait, Glastonbury. Glastonbury. But Glastonbury. But Glastonbury first. But Glastonbury first. Like, Glastonbury's my biggest dream of my life. That was always the biggest dream. Yeah. That's like the pinnacle for me. That's something that I've dreamt about since forever. Yeah. And...

Yeah, the more I think about it, the more scared and nervous I get. But I'm just, I just can't believe that I get to do it. And I'm so excited. It's Friday night. Yeah. Because that means I can like party afterwards. Yes, afterwards. And say Saturday and Sunday. Exactly. Let the days roll. Yeah. I'm so excited. Have you been to Glastonbury? Oh, no, I haven't been. I'm dying to go. Dying to go. Oh.

Maybe this is the year. Maybe this is the year. No, honestly, that would be... You know what's funny? We talked about going. We talked about going. I know I can't this year. I know. What? No one's booked in busy. We're shooting a film. But I can go. I'm tech avail.

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I feel like I can put you and Kylie's Glastonbury set like on the same sort of... Oh, Kylie's Glastonbury set. I went to go see that. Yeah. And it was amazing. Yeah. It was amazing. She's unbelievable. I absolutely love her. But even like Adele's Glastonbury set, like I normally go to Glastonbury with my parents and like with my friends and it's just like we all roll deep and I turn around and my mom's just bawling her eyes out to Adele. Oh my God. It's hard not to. And it's so like...

everyone's just so emotional and holding each other and it's just beautiful like the best time ever oh my god but I feel like the reason I bring up Kylie is because I think she's also talked about Glastonbury in the same sort of emotional way where it's like

Oh my God. It's a spiritual experience, Glaston. Yeah, totally. And for her, she was like, oh, now I have to go. You have to. I want that. There's nothing like it. It's its own world that you go into. And there's so many different stages and so many different artists and so many different worlds you can get lost in. Yeah, it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. You have to go like...

You're so excited. I love this. I'm so excited because I'm such a fan of the festival. Are you rehearsing already? Like I would imagine like for all that. No, I've already like set list everything.

musical direction, what we're doing, what it's going to look like. Oh my God, I love how excited you are. I'm really excited. And the thing about Glaston and the way that you, I guess, kind of make a special, it's just like, it's a one-off show. You do it once, never to be repeated again. That's it. That happens that one night. So just don't fuck it up. It's so exciting. The pyramid, like that fucking, just that stage picture alone. Incredible. What do you mean, uh-uh? Oh, you're just like, I'm like, uh-uh. I just can't think it. What are you most nervous about?

Just like holding my shit together. Yeah. You're the best in the biz. So I just have to just be like, yeah, you're going to be great. I'm strong. I can do this. Radical optimism. I'm not going to bawl my eyes out up here on stage. Yeah, but if you do, that'll be part of it. And you'll funnel it in and it'll be incredible. It's fine. But yeah, it'll be fun. What's like the most emotional moment in a Dua set for Dua? Is there a song that you're like, that's like especially like your song?

I don't know. I haven't thought about it in that way. From the new record. Yeah. Like maybe these walls. It's so good. If I perform it.

I just think about like, it's like, if it's a Glastonbury, it's this like moment that you've waited for all your life and it's going to happen. Every song that I write in the studio, my barometer is like, how is this going to sound at Glastonbury? 100%. And the live instrumentation on this album. That's all I think about. Yes. You're going to have so much fun doing it. So, let's see. Happy for you is going to fucking tear. I love it. Happy for you is a very special. Ah!

It's so good. And also that feeling, the way that that song, Happy For You, ends the album, and especially it being titled Radical Optimism, I think that something that's the hardest thing to achieve is genuine, genuine,

Genuine. What the hell is that? Genuine happiness for the person. Genuine. That's really the top achievement is genuine by Pony. No, just like that feeling of, wow, I saw a picture of my ex and his new girlfriend or boyfriend or whatever, and I didn't feel like I wanted to throw myself off a building. In fact...

It was actually the opposite. Actually, it was nice. I felt good about it. Like, my God! Like, this idea of, like, you guys look hot together. If my ex and someone else ever looked hot together, it would be tough. But to get there... Yeah, to get to that place, it's like, even being able to write that for me, I was like, oh, I'm reaching new levels of maturity here. Yeah. This is great, you know? Both of you are more evolved human beings than I am. Yeah, how's it going? I've never had that. Never had that experience. It scorched earth every time? It scorched earth every time.

how can you guys get over yourselves like that? You know what I mean? I'm like, it's the ego. I know it's the ego. Like,

superseding all, but I'm like, no, like this is a huge mistake. This is a massive error in judgment for you. It will never be right for me. So you're just not going to release Radical Optimism, the album. Yours is not going to be that. Well, I think the album doesn't really have any bitterness to it. I don't think. No, even like French Exit is kind of like, I hope you understand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're hoping for someone else to have Radical Optimism while you're slowly...

Yeah. Leaving. Drifting out of the room, floating away from a situation. I think, okay, can I say something about Dua? I think. Please. I feel like you are, what you embody beyond like the music, the work, the writing, the talent, the effortlessness is also taste. Because I feel like. Say it.

with Service 95, which is your editorial platform, which I literally, I wait for the newsletter. You do? I read it and I'm like, oh my God, she's writing about like drag kings this week. She's writing about like lesbian bars this week or whatever. I'm like,

There is like your time, like you don't have to be honest about this, but like how much of that is you like looking at? Like, I'm sure you have a team of people. Yeah, I have a team for sure. Yeah. Well, I sit in in the right. It's not really a writer's room like SNL, but it's like it's it's a team meeting that we would do on a Tuesday and we would sit and everybody just kind of brainstorms different ideas and.

And it's like, oh, this is interesting. Let's dive more into this. Or, you know, we've done so many different things on drag and it's like, why don't we make a whole issue on that and dive in deeper into that and going in and talking to different chefs from around the world and getting them to make recipes and all those things are things that I love and I just want to know more about. So this is stuff that keeps me curious and excited and learning. And so it's like, okay, let's commission interesting stories from all around the world and

learn more. So it's fun, but it's a team effort. It's a team effort. Of course. But there's like undeniably like your sort of like layer on it. Like as I read it. That's the things that I love. Yeah. The things that I just want, I'm constantly wanting to know and learn more of. Like I turned to service 95 when I'm like looking for restaurants.

There you go. To take your own recommendations. No, some are mine and then some are like from other people that we go in. We had like a whole piece on Cairo and it's like, I haven't been to Egypt yet, but I know that when I go, I'm going to go and look at that and look at those recommendations. So it's really exciting to have those bookmark and have something to look forward to and something to learn from as well. Because I was lucky enough to do At Your Service, which is the podcast, a piece of it.

And you were like, oh, like, give me like seven things. Like we do this thing where everyone does a list. I do lists. And I was like, oh, yeah.

do what puts together lists. I always remember this. I always remember that like, well, Dua Lipa keeps a list of restaurants in every city. I should do this. I like maintain these lists. And part of Service 95 is like the travel piece, right? It's like, that is like a huge focus of it. So when I see these people say, she's in every city, she's traveling so much. I go, this is who she is. Yeah.

Literally. It's just, it's such a big part of me. Like I love, and when I was touring, so much of it was like, I'm trying to have fun. I want to make sure that I can dive into the culture, try the different restaurants, see the art that's around, go to the different bars, feel the city in a different way. Like I don't want to travel the world and then later down the line be like, yeah, I've been there. I've been there. I've been there, but I've

haven't seen anything. I haven't experienced anything. This way I can like go do all the things, have a lot of fun and then share it with everyone. Yeah. Yeah. I love it. I wonder like someone that like appears as busy as you, do you feel rested when you need to feel rested? Like, do you feel like you prioritize that? Because when you're on an album cycle, I can imagine it's crazy. I mean, you're doing a lot for this and it feels obviously the future nostalgia rollout was different because of the pandemic. But I wonder like,

Do you consciously say to yourself, like, I'm going to chill for this period of time? Or are you like someone that's like energized by moving all the time? Like, I wonder about the balance. I think a bit of both. Like, for me, this past, like, I don't know, few months, like I had a couple weekends off and I was like,

I want to go to Madrid. Oh, yeah. Have fun. You're like him. And do that. You know, I'm like, I'm in London. It's so easy when you're in Europe because you can just like bounce around. I'm going to go to Paris for a weekend. I'm going to, you know, go to different restaurants, drink good wine, have fun. Like I'm trying to just have fun in the midst of it.

Like, I'm working nonstop. So why can't I just do whatever the fuck I want to do on the weekend? And so I just, I take the opportunity whenever I can to do that. But then sometimes when everything's like really intense and I'm like, all right, I'll go into the countryside and do that for two days. That's still like a getaway and like doing something and going on walks and hikes and stuff. But it's...

It's more chilled. But I'm an activity gal. I bet your Google calendar is crazy. Oh, it's my favorite thing and it's popping off. It's full to the brim. It's completely

Completely. There's a dot under every day. I'm busy every day. And you love that. I have plans. I know what I'm doing. I know where I'm going for dinner in two weeks time. Yes. There's not going to be... Anytime I... I'm the same way. Like when I look at my Google calendar and there's like a whole white day like it has nothing on it. I'm like... What can we do here? Am I going to be crazy that day?

I know you guys. All I want is a day that's blank. He's so bad at that because honestly, I'm in all the group chats with him. I know what he's planning. It's like he'll have a few days off and he's like, should we do this? Should we do that? Should we go here? And I'm like, don't you need to sit down? I don't have the self-governing

piece in my head that like but do you get energized from that or do you then are you then why did I do this I'm exhausted you're gonna see the eye rolls you're gonna see cause I am telling the truth with my eyes if these walls could talk let's check back in after you host

Because, I mean, it's a different thing entirely for you, obviously. But like, you thought you were busy? Wait till the SNL schedule. Yeah, I know that week's going to be madness. It's going to be so fun. No, I know. I'm so excited. I've never been more excited. Have you always wanted to do it? Or was it like an opportunity? No, this is my dream. Oh, hell yeah. I've been like working towards this, hoping that, you know,

I'd get asked to do double G-E. I mean... It's your American Glasto. American Glasto title event. Exactly. American Glasto. Wow. For you to say that about SNL. So, such a company man. You're such a great NBC employee, Beau. Yeah, yeah. You really are an icon. You know. Speaking of icons, we turn to you now to ask the central question of our podcast, which is Dua Lipa. What was the culture that made you say culture is for you? This...

formative pop culture moment that you can look back and be like, oh yeah, Dua Lipa definitely became Dua Lipa because of that. You know, when I was 15, I went to a Katy Perry concert. Well done. Good job. Already. We're happy. Do you know about this? No. Oh, there's a story. There's a story. Okay. Tell the story. So I went to a Katy Perry concert when I was 15. It was at the HMV Apollo in Hammersmith in London.

And I was so excited. Went early to get to the front of the queue to be in the front row. And there was a moment where Katie was bringing people up on stage to dance with her. I don't know about that. And I...

Oh my God. Was climbing over people to be paid. You were being that girl. It's like, it's me. And then like one of the dancers like pulled me up and I get up and I'm like dancing. And, uh, it's to Whitney Houston. It's like, Oh, I want to dance with somebody. Yeah. And we're all dancing. It's like the best of my life. My friends are in the front. I'm like, I did it. I'm up here. And, um,

Every time now when I get off stage, when I finish my show, that's a song that I play to keep people dancing at the end. So I just wanted to keep that going. And it's so great because when I get off stage, I get videos from my whole team of seeing people in the crowd carrying on the party and carrying on dancing. And that was something that Katy Perry brought into my life.

And I just, I loved being on that stage. I loved being there with her. And she was wearing like the most amazing, like it was California girls. So she was wearing this like sparkly body suit with the swirly boobs and the whole thing. It was just amazing with the blue wig. Oh yeah. Yeah.

That is such a good fusion of culture moments too because it's like Katy Perry's concert like giving the ground for I want to dance with somebody and that moment altogether like that you can see that even in your work and in your energy and what you do that it is about like keeping on dancing, keeping the party going quite literally. So to look back and be able to connect that has to be pretty cool. Yeah, it's really fun and I think about it every time.

Every time when that song plays, I think about that moment when I was 15 and on stage and that happened.

Does Katie know about this? Yeah, she does. She does? She does this photographic, like, evidence of this. Oh, there's a photo of Dua Slaying. Of me on stage. Of Dua Slaying. Honestly, Future Nostalgia was giving me teenage dream vibes at the time because I remember, like, you had your incredible first album, as did she, but then there was, like, that moment. I wonder, could you feel...

that moment? And was it like something you expected? Like you were super proud of Future Nostalgia and kind of knew it would do that? Or... I didn't know it would do that. It was definitely something because I was at home while, you know, people were listening to the album. I didn't feel the intensity of

I guess the success of it and how much people listened to it. And it was only when I went on tour and I basically the future nostalgia tour was all the songs from the album and people were singing deep cuts that I probably would have never performed in a different scenario had it not been that people lived with the album for two years. Yeah. That I was like, oh,

Like, people love this album. If It Ain't Me. That's my song. Oh, you love that one. I love If It Ain't Me. I want to see If It Ain't Me at Glastonbury. Yes to the deluxe. Yes to the deluxe. I always say yes to the deluxe. Oftentimes, the deluxe gives you everything. It has some secret bangers. Yes. Yes.

If it ain't me, I mean, that is... If it ain't me. Is that a rule of culture? Oftentimes the deluxe album will give you what you want? Wow. I'm sorry, I'm still in the song in my head. I'm like in a fugue state now. Okay, so can I just quickly walk through the story of the sketch that we did together? Yes. Okay, we write it. Marjorie. Marjorie! Marjorie became a legend in a second. I've been looking for those. Yeah.

Marjorie must return oh my god Marjorie must return yes she must yeah we should bring her back we should bring her back she's a saucy minx she really is she's everything and more I mean that cut to you and it's just you holding the frame like I've been looking for those so fucking fun I mean we like walk down to your dressing room we like tell you the sketch you're like yeah I'll do it we were like oh my god okay great and then you stayed and you were wearing this like gorgeous like

camel colored coat on the floor and you were just standing there with our stage manager, Chris. And I was looking over, I was like, oh my God, Dua's being so patient and so sweet. And she's, I can't believe she's like sticking around for this. And then we did the sketch. It was great. I don't know if you remember this. At dress rehearsal, it was dead last. Yeah. And that usually means it's like buried. It's like, okay, like this could go either way. It could either be great or if it's, it'll close the show on a high note, but maybe it's not like

top of show, like doesn't give it the burst of energy up top that the show needs. And I was like, okay, this might get cut. I really hope it doesn't. It's so stupid. It's so silly. Like Dew is in it. And like, I really hope she has fun this show. And then it did well at dress rehearsal. Yeah. And then between dress and hair, they moved it all the way to the top. Yeah. And I was like, wow. It was like one of the best nights of my life because it's

we did the sketch it went great and then for the rest of the show i was like chilling i was like i'm done and then i got there's footage of this mary ellen matthews the photographer at snl has video of me dancing to you doing levitating in like the jellyfish valentino yeah yeah yeah that was such a moment and that exact moment was me thinking to myself wow we just did like because that was the christmas show i was like we just did like

10 shows that were so hard to do in like lockdown. We're all so tired. And then I went,

I can't believe I'm one of the lucky few people in the world right now who gets to see like live music. A live performance. Because it was just like, there was no live music. It was like literally December 2020. And I was just like, I can't believe I get to see this. And it was just like looking at you like, wow, wow. I was like,

This is so cool. And like, I feel like you've given me so many like hits of euphoria, like at every stage with every album. I remember where I was when I saw New Rules for the first time. I like remember where I was when Physical came out. Like every rollout, I'm like, there's a time and a place for it. And that's like, that is like the emotional connection that I think you make in people's minds. Oh, thank you. You know? Thank you so much. I mean, when I think back to that SNL, I was...

I was so nervous. It was my second time performing at SNL and I remember doing like the soundcheck and my knees were shaking. I think it's just like that pressure of it. Just you're there. They just go, all right, three, two, one. And it's time. You just go for it. And yeah,

Yeah, I was so nervous. And then we did the dress rehearsal skit. And then afterwards, when we all come into the room and Lorne comes and gives everyone notes, something shifted in my brain where I was like, okay, I'm part of a team. That's fun. That's how I felt. I was like, oh, I'm part of a team. And we're all here to support each other. We all want this to be the best show it can be.

And when I got up on stage to perform again, it was almost like I had this separation of just going and performing. Like I just felt like I was more embedded in the team. I was like, this is a production and we're just putting this all together. And this is just another part of...

a bigger thing less individual pressure and more like achievement based on everyone that's how it felt and I felt like now when I look at those videos I look at them so fondly because I see a different kind of

of being part of a unit. Yeah. Right. So I just, I love those performances. Yeah. And that's kind of also where I was like, I think I'd really like to host. Yeah. And now it's probably going to be even more fun because it's going to be another level of that feeling, which is like, you'll be in every sketch and performing twice. So it's like, you're going to be like,

Almost like the word is like executing. Oh my God. Instead of like, no, you're going to be so good. No, no, no. It's the same. It's the exact same like epiphany that you had. It's the same thing where it's like, yes, you're hosting. Like it's like you being everything, but it's a team thing. That's what I, yeah. Yeah. Everyone at every level is there to make sure that like you have a great time that you come off well, that you score, that it's a funny show. And also that like,

So much of each show and episode is dictated by the host's vibe, for lack of a better term. And like I say, it's like everything you do brings this sort of radical optimism, brings this sort of like very cool kind of joy, this like bridled, but not bridled as well. But I just mean to say like,

It's like deeply comfortable. It's a comfortable, confident kind of joy. I feel like you've always brought that. I'm just like hurtling compliments. Thank you. I love it. I'll take it. I will take it. I appreciate it. Thank you. But the taste thing, I'm just like...

Every gay man at a party is somewhere, like anywhere in the world right now, there's someone holding a cocktail being like, Dua Lipa has the best taste. That's literally happening right now somewhere. Right now somewhere. I don't know where it's like. 10.30 p.m. right now in the world. There's gays there being like, Dua Lipa does have the best taste. And she always has. And she always has.

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So you said Illusion came first, and I think Illusion might be my favorite on the whole album outside of these walls. Is there a moment when you're writing Illusion where you're like, now I'm fucking excited? And is it the pre-chorus? Oh. To me, I was like, when that came into the song, I was like, here we go. This is it. And I'm wondering, because you say that was first. Yeah. What was it about that? Yeah, we got really excited about it.

I know it was different. I also love the dance break. I think that was also just like all the crazy instrumentation. And it's again, thinking about like the live performance. It's like, how can we, what is this going to sound like when people come to see it live? You know, what is the different things that we can bring and how can I dance to this and how can we make this fun and exciting and joyous? And yeah, that was like the first song that just really gripped me. And I was like, I'm not synesthetic.

But I feel it when I listen to the album. Does that make sense? I feel like there's a lot... What do you see? For Illusion, I see like neon blue. Does that make sense? Is that because the album is at a pool? I mean, the video is at a pool. But like, I don't know. I just feel like it's like...

But there's also yellow. There's yellow. I don't know. You know what I'm saying? It's coming. It's coming to you. It's the denim. It's the denim. We're channeling. It's what I'm wearing. It's because I looked at myself in the mirror and said, it's blonde and denim. Illusion is blonde and denim. I was actually wondering today. I was like, are people going to think like, oh, they booked Dua for the podcast and Matt went bleach blonde. That's what broke you. Radical optimism. I think that's what it was. Do you feel that way? I love it. Thank you so much. I love it.

Taste. Taste. She wouldn't lie. She might. No, I love it. I love it. I probably just wouldn't say. Yeah, you probably would. You know, the girls at my coffee place in LA, I can tell don't like it because they didn't say anything. But that was before I toned. That was before you toned. Like, it was a little brassy. And so I walked in and I was like, hey. It's like whenever you see someone with like a new hair or a new look and you're like, hi. And they're like, hey, um...

So how's your day going? And I'm like, oh God, not how's your day going. They really skipped over the headline. The headline of. That nasty headline of, wow, you're blonde now. You really did it. Well, I love it. Thank you. My therapist does too. I logged on and it was like that moment of like, I had to laugh because I was like, I'm logging on Zoom and she's going to see me blonde. And then the therapist is, you know, going to have to like,

Okay. My 34-year-old gay male client is blonde. So go ahead. But I'm fine. I'm great. What's one reaction that stands out to you of you showing someone your new hair? This color, which is stunning, by the way. Thank you. Someone was like, oh, hey. It's nice. I actually don't know. People will be too scared.

Do you think I'm scary? No, no, but people wouldn't want to like sow doubt in your mind. Just be like, oh no. Yeah, no, I think it was more initially I had it a little bit bleached to get it to the red because my hair was really black. Right. And I think it was really my hairstylist, Peter, who just took one look at it and he was like, it's in good condition. Yeah.

We gotta do a little bit of work here. And he was just like speed dialing, calling people, being like, her hair's gonna fall out any moment if we don't do something about this. And I think it's like the fear in his eyes that I saw that I immediately, I was like, oh, I'm in trouble. No. After the first round of bleach or just the color? It was just like the first round of bleach and the hair just wasn't in good shape. It was more just like, I got lucky because like the front bits were,

holding out all right. Like they didn't have a lot of bleach on them for a very long time. So they were fine. And it was just almost like at the back, it was just like little clumps of...

hair clumps is such a dramatic word bring it back I say bring back the dance break and clumps only you can don't bring back the clumps no one wants the clumps next album we want healthy hair there's so much going on with hair that you don't realize even my friend did this Greta and she was like

we might have to double process. And I'm like, what is double process? I was like, and was the first process bad? Like, but there's so much, it's so much more complicated than you think than just like, I'm going to change my hair. It's so much technicality with it and you have to be so careful. Right. But it's good now. Yeah. That's great. It's good now. But the first glimpse I caught, I was like, oh,

Oh, no. Yeah. You're like, who's that person? Yeah. You're like, now I feel like, yeah, you don't recognize yourself. Just waiting because my experience being blonde, that was traumatic. Was it? Really? Oh, yeah. Like, it was fun for a little bit. But when I went like Draco Malfoy level, like I wanted to be like...

peroxide blonde it just every shower oh yeah it just clumps the clumps drama it was the clumps the clumps then I had like an involuntary like what's it mullet

Not an involuntary mullet. Involuntary mullet. That's when you know things are not going well. All mullets should be voluntary. Or it does not at all. Right. The mullet thing doesn't take off for me in my mind. No, not for me either.

but I had one. So it just, it was there and I'd wake up in the morning and I'm like, great, let's try and zhuzh it up. For electricity? Like that era? No, electricity was a wig. Oh, great. So it was after, it was for Don't Start Now. Oh, but like the roots were coming in chic.

I think so. I think they were. The bleach blonde is like... No, it worked for a little bit, but there had to be a lot of magic behind the scenes that was happening there. That's why I couldn't keep it for long enough because it was just...

So... Clumps. Clumps. We just said the words don't start now. And do you know what song never got the respect it should have gotten? Even though it was a single and did well, this should be the national anthem internationally physical. Yeah. Yeah, you think? It is my favorite song. Yeah, I still... Being in the industry, I still haven't quite figured out how like... Which one is going to like absolutely crush. How things like work or whatever. Like I just put them out and it's good because on tour, it just like it kicked off. So I'm like...

This is the one. This is the one. Yeah. I guess I just never really think of things in terms of like chart stuff because it's, but I get it. Physical is a, it is a banger. It is so good. You know, when we were guest judges on Drag Race, the lip sync song was Hallucinate. Oh, that's fun. And we were very happy. That's fun to perform live. I love that. Yeah, it's really good. Oh my God. That was a moment. When you look, like, have you guest judged Drag Race before? No, I haven't. Oh God, they got to roll out the red carpet. Yeah.

They do so many of your songs. I know. I've seen a few of them. There's been some iconic ones too. Like the Gondra, Astralgia doing physical. Physical is incredible. You've seen the physical one. I've seen the physical one. I've seen physical. Unreal. Yeah, it's so good. I've also seen... What was that? I saw The Sweetest Pie. Oh, that was... The Sweetest Pie. They did Break My Heart. I saw Break My Heart. I think I've seen...

All of them. Yeah. And they're all pretty indelible. They're really canonized in Drag Race. And I think it has to do with the song. There's one that Simone did too. Break My Heart. Yes. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so fucking chic. It's so good. I don't know. I feel like there's a concentric circle around what you put out that also makes other people do something beautiful and tasteful and joyful. This is like...

I mean, I got so shy talking to you the first time and I still am. But like the first time I talked to you because I was just like, we have to go like picture a silly little sketch to do. Because you're such a superstar. But the thing is, no, but I mean, you are. But like you also are so kind and cool that it's like I understand what he's saying because like

You are like, this is like such a bizarre word. It must be bizarre to be this. But like being like an idol, like a pop icon, like very few people are. And so you understand why a gay guy is like, I was nervous to meet you. You get it.

You get like Bowie and Yang are shaking his booty. These gay guys. There's so many gay guys telling you, holding cocktails, talking about your taste. And they're nervous to meet you. But then they meet you and it's like, it's like we can hang out. And we're going to the bar together. We're going. That's the vibe. Are you going to go to the after party? Yes. You gotta. One thousand percent. I don't think so. Ryan Gosling did not show up to the after party. And that's okay. It's not a real. I don't think so. Because he's like,

No, he's Ryan Gosling. You gotta go. 1000%. But also sometimes like, I'm so excited. There was one moment where I'm just going to say we were there. It was the Lizzo episode. And there was the after party and Lizzo showed up ready to party for the after party. And no one was giving the party. And I was like, you guys, Lizzo just showed up and is ready to turn up. And literally about 20 minutes later. Are we dancing? Are we hanging? Are we? We need to push for dance.

Yeah, push for dance. Yeah, because normally it's like not a dancey situation, but the push for dance. The only time it got so dancey was when, in recent memory, was when RuPaul

I feel like you're on that level where it's like, we got to bring the party for two. Okay. Okay. We're going to do that. Let's dance. Let's dance. You have, well, I guess like you both can kind of make this happen. Where should you pick in? Like, just tell Lauren, like, or whoever. Yeah. Like Lauren books, the after party. I'm just wondering if zero bond is available on the fourth. We're actually going to have to do so. That's my iconic Lauren. We should do the after party somewhere fun and dancing. Yeah. Let's get sweaty.

Have you been to basement yet? Oh my God. You would be mobbed at basement. I haven't been to basement yet. It's like a Berghain inspired like club. Do you put on a wig and go incognito?

No, I have not done so, but maybe I should. Do you feel like you need to? Like, could you walk down the street? No, I know. I just do that. I just walk. You just go. I just go. You just go. I just go. You wouldn't be mom if you... Me, a gay guy. Can you go nowhere? You can't even go into McDonald's, can you? It probably is a scene. The way gay men talk to you must be insane. Like right now. No, we're not insane. We're being normal. No, but it's like...

Do you know what goes to basement? She's not going to be bothered at all because it's going to be all of these gay men like shaking in the corner being like, we can't go talk to her. But you can. We can. Are people getting sweaty at basement? Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Is it like an every night thing? Weekend thing? Mostly weekends. Okay. People love to come out as the sun rises. It's that kind of thing. Love it. I think it's your vibe. There's no like time curve for you? No.

Really? Because that's like a really American thing where things close at like three or something. It's three here. It's like one everywhere else in a very shocking and traumatizing way. It's like you're sending me home now at 12.55. It's just started. I'm like, this is crazy. Like I'm acting like I have all this energy like to be out till four every night. But like-

Sometimes it does feel weird. Like in LA, everything's down. I know. Yeah, that's crazy. People kind of do like the London model where it's like, go to Dalston Superstore and stay there. I fucking love London.

Yeah. It really is the best. They've got to do the Spanish thing where people like go out for dinner at like 10 p.m. And then you go to the club at like 2. And then you leave crawling at like 5. Yeah. Out of there. Perfect. That's what I got to do. The Spanish. They know what they're doing. In a lot of ways, the Spanish know. Okay. We've talked...

We've talked on this podcast about Spanish people. And not to generalize, but it's like... That they fuck? I've talked about the Madrid airport at length. Oh, Bowen. Yeah, sure. Are you public about this? I'm public about this. He had a grinder hookup at the Madrid airport. It was just like layover. I love that. Oh. Mallorca to Madrid. Taste. Taste. Mallorca to Madrid. Back to London. The walk from gate to gate was like 20 minutes, right? The Madrid airport has a chic thing where it's like...

To this terminal, it's going to be like a 15-minute walk. Get ready. And so you walk. And every guy I passed was like eyeing me. And I was like, wait a minute. And then every guy would get progressively hotter and hotter. And I'd be like, what is going on here? And then finally, it was like, okay, let me just open up my apps. And then like 10 minutes later. They're like, you were blowing up. It was...

Do you have a Grindr account? That would be iconic. If you were just on Grindr, training season's over. By the way, Barry's? Do you have a thing with Barry's? Yeah, we did a training season thing. I did a duo class. How was it? Really good. Shout out to Matt Conrad in LA and Hollywood. It was an all duo class. Oh my God. So fun. It was good. And then there was a shake.

Named after training season. And I had it. And it was good. I just guest taught a Barry's class. Oh, how did it go? I was like, oh, I have all these bets planned. Didn't do a single one of them because Lindsay Clayton, who is a star trainer at Barry's Chelsea, was like, okay, everybody, like, get on the floor. And like, I did like one shoulder tap. I was like,

My brain melted. I couldn't say a single sentence. It's hard. Those berries. Do you take berries? I've done berries. Yeah. It's a lot. It's so intense. I don't love running. Like I much prefer like double floor or something. Do us double floor, everybody. Do us double floor. Double duty, double floor. Things like that. F29. F29.

I'm F10 or whatever. No, I'm in the 20s. Do you always pick the same one if you can? I'm always on T18. Or no, T12. No, but that's a nice, auspicious thing. It's an auspicious thing for me. Anyway, if there's a do a class at Barry's, take it. You're going to sweat. It's going to be fabulous. You won't regret it.

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I think it might be time for I Don't Think So Honey. So this is the segment where...

We kind of go off for a minute, if you will, on something in pop culture that's bugging us. And I have something topical. All right. Top of my head and topical. Matt Rogers, I don't think so, honey. Time starts now. I don't think so, honey, just because someone is blonde that they're in crisis. Okay. I really appreciate your concern. I promise you this is a reflection of my happiness and my, say it with me, radical optimism. If I was in crisis, I would not roll the dice on my head.

I get that some people do this. That's not how I am. This is an expression of the color of my spirit. Blonde. I also feel that I've been spiritually moving in this direction for years. Will it remain this way? No. For the summer? Yeah. When I'm at Glastonbury, I'm going to be

looking like this come up and talk to me the vibes are gonna be high because I'm gonna be seeing Dua Lipa I'm literally I don't have a ticket yet but I'm getting one I'm talking myself into going and yeah I'll be blonde and it won't be because I'm upset it'll be because I'm thrilled so please join me everyone dye your hair blonde what you do is you go and you get the bleach you put it all over your head your friend can do this

And then you put a little bit of toner on. Make sure you get that purple shampoo. If you have to double process, do it. Purple shampoo is major. Used it today. Am I overusing it? Maybe. But we'll find out soon if my hair is lavender. But for now, it's blonde and I'm happy about it. That's one minute. There we go. And it's the colors of illusion. I feel like I held my breath through all of that. I'm like...

I feel like I've gotten the color of purple shampoo. Listen, if you overcorrect, it's actually fine because purple also, that silvery kind of blonde looks kind of cheap. It could be kind of good. You know? But then you were saying in the elevator that a little bit of brass is in. I was like, okay. I think a little bit of brass is in. You've been blonde. Yeah. Coppery. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Brassy. But what I'm saying is it's like, my therapist didn't think this either when I logged on. She was like, oh, I didn't necessarily think something was wrong.

But I also think it's like an easy way to pick on someone like, oh, he's blonde. Right, right, right. Like I was reading through the comments. I should not have done this on that post where you premiered. You absolute stalker. Well, I was just like, what are people saying? Because I was seeing some nonsense and I was like, y'all, he's fine. My dad dragged me. He was like, well, I bet there'll be an Instagram live to debut this. And I was like, dad, no, I didn't do this for everyone else. I did this for me. Seconds later, me. Like, yeah.

But he really got me there. I bet there'll be an Instagram live. Uh-oh. Anyways, he knows me. Are you ready to do your I Don't Think So Honey? I think so. It's a little bit pedestrian, but I'm going to do it. I don't think that's for you to say. I think that's for the critics out there to say. This is Bell and Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. His time, in fact, starts now. I Don't Think So Honey, the crisping drawer. What are you doing? The crisping drawer in the fridge.

It's not doing the work. Are you familiar with this? The crisping drill? The crisping drill. What do you call it in the UK? You throw it in your refrigerator where you put lettuce. Where you put produce. Vegetables. Vegetables. Okay. Fruits. Doesn't do anything. Right. Could be a box with a poor handle. Go off. I come home after three days away from my apartment. The grapes shriveled. Oh.

The spring onion, moldy. The ginger, absolutely fungally destroyed. I don't know what I have to do to keep my produce fresh. I'm looking up all of these solutions online. It's 15 seconds. Fill a jar with water and cut up your cucumber and then put it. No, no, no. I'm not doing any of that. I'm keeping the vegetables whole. Five seconds. Mother nature intended. And I'm,

If you're not going to do anything from your refrigerator, I am just going to salt everything. That's one minute. It's really the world against you, isn't it? It's the world against me. The crisping drawer can't get it right. I was like, what even is that? I had to take a second too, but that is what it's called, huh? It's the crisping drawer. Is it something else in Europe? I don't know. I just, I thought it's just a drawer in your fridge. Okay. Yeah, exactly. Now to have a name for it, to say...

That it sucks. I might be crazy. I might have named it something that no one else calls it. My issue with the crisping drawer is the authority back there. Becca, it's called the crisping drawer. She's actually looking it up. Are you literally looking it up? No, because I broke my crisping drawer in my fridge in my last minute. It's incredibly easy to break. It wasn't doing anything to begin with. It wasn't doing anything. That's why I took it out. Because it got moldy.

Yes. And that's my concern is that the crisping drawer is where I put everything where I'm like, well, I guess I'm healthy now. Healthy girl. And then you put it in there and it's like, you never touch it. No, I get it. I get it. I get it. No, I understand. I understand. I get it. I get the drama. Here's the part where you pop off. Are you ready to do your I don't think so, honey? Because you came in and you definitely had one. Yeah, I had one. And now I'm like, no, do it. Stick with it. What do you think? We were pretty

Okay, this is Julie, but I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now. I don't think so, honey. I think you can work hard and play hard. You can not be... You know, I feel like no matter what, people are still going to call you the Vakanza queen. The Vakanza queen! I know!

People think that I'm always on holiday. I'm not always on holiday. I'm actually always fucking working. But I make sure that I do the work. I get it done. I never make... I make sure that...

30 seconds. You make lists for God's sake. I make lists. I also never do the same job twice. Right. I make sure that I do it well and I do it well the first time. Yes. And so I never have to do it again. So then I have more free time to hang out and chill and do nothing but have fun when I'm not working. 15 seconds. So that's it. And I'm working and I'm having fun right now. Yes. You can work and you can play. You can do both. And you can do anything you want. You can do whatever you want. That's it. Yes.

When Dua Lipa goes on vacation, that is a text write-off. That's going into the work. That's going into the work. I need to chill so I can then come back refreshed. Yes. And looking cute so I can do more work. You don't have illusion if Dua doesn't go on vacation. Period. Do you want that, world? So shut up.

Shut up, Pop Craig. And she might do Coachella, but stop. Glastonbury first. And stop. You're being too much. If she's the Vakonza queen, then we are the Vakonza jesters in the court. I just booked with Vakonza to go to Coachella. And Vakonza to go. It was a Vakonza...

A Vaconza to go. I have so many emails from Vaconza asking me to review. I don't have the greatest review of the place I stayed in Coachella. It was really hard to get in the gate. It was like a gated community Airbnb. And let me say something about the gate. There has to be a button. Because human error can happen. There's someone there 24 hours. There wasn't. Cut to me at three in the morning after Neon Carnival. Can't get into my damn home.

- Oh no. - After DJ James Kennedy's big set. Do you watch Vanderpump Rules? - No, I don't. - Do you watch any reality TV? - No, I don't. - You're just so tasteful. - I should though, because I just feel really left out 'cause everyone's like, "Vanderpump Rules," or like something else. - I feel left out 'cause everyone's like, "Vanderpump Rules." - You are queen of taste, you don't have to touch it. Don't change anything about yourself. - What shows do you watch? Or are you just always... - She's being pachinko, she's not watching television.

But you know what I just watched is Baby Reindeer. Oh, wait. Oh, my God. Taste. Everyone is talking about this. I've got one more episode left. Yes. I heard it pops off. I hear it's great. Unbelievable. Okay. This is going to be the show of the year. All right. Love it. Baby Reindeer. I'm watching. I always look to him as like my chic tastemaker friend because he always finds things first. Have you ever watched Perfect Blue? No. No.

Tell her about it. You should watch Perfect Blue. What is it, a series? Satoshi Kon, did you ever watch Paprika, that anime film, or Tokyo Godfathers, or Millennium Actress? Okay, so she is like, was at the time a contemporary of like a Miyazaki, kind of. People were kind of putting them in the same camp. But his first movie is about this pop star who transitions out of a pop girl group in 1990s. This movie comes out in 1987. But then she transitions into acting and then her stalker

gets mad and then she finds this like blog that's written in her voice but it's not her who's writing it but for some reason it knows all these details about her there's all these twists like her manager is a little bit suspicious and then it's about how like the internet is distorting her reality and

and like she's believing what the internet version of herself is like being fed to her it's like it's really fascinating like it's about all these things but like i watch it as a reminder that like whatever is going on in here is like not real not yeah yeah you know what i mean or is actually lethal perfect or the perfect blue perfect blue perfect and it's a title of like a pulpy novel japanese novel that like was adapted the director of satoshi kone was like

I don't know why it's called that, but I'll make it. Yeah, I didn't know why it was called that either. I don't think anyone knows why it's called that. It's very dark and scary, but at the end, again...

There is radical optimism at the end, I believe. Like there is a moment at the end where you understand that there's been like some growth and a change. And just like while we're talking about that, I wonder because he picks up the phone and you're like, it's not real. Was there a moment that there was like a transition for you and like I'm engaging with people and like what they think to now? Or do you find yourself like still engaging? I think it's a bit of a push and pull. I took myself off Twitter just recently.

as I was writing Future Nostalgia. But it was like people were so mean all the time. And I started thinking that everyone thought that of me. Yeah, that it was real. That it was real. Until like I would go out and I'd be in the park and someone would just come up and be like, hey, I love your song. Or this made me feel really good or whatever. And I was like, oh, wait, maybe like the public perception isn't the way that I think it is. Like I would get really like nervous because I would think that maybe people were having all these like

weird thoughts about me or like I would be almost like in a way self-obsessed in a weird thing and it wouldn't allow me to connect with people because I'd be like, oh, they probably hate me or they probably think this about me. Very distracting creatively. I don't want to have that at all. So I got rid of Twitter and then I was able to write an album that felt really freeing and good and whatever because I was like, it's not real. It's completely separate.

People spend a lot of time online to try and bring you down or make you feel bad about yourself or make themselves feel better or whatever it is. It's like an outlet. And instead of being like, you shouldn't say what you think or trying to retaliate in that way, it's like, I'm just going to remove myself. And then I don't hear it. I don't see it. And I can just get on with things in a different way and have...

normal experiences, I guess. And do what you do instead of... Without having to let that sit on my head kind of thing. Because this movie is great because it's like...

she engages with this bizarre, distorted reality. And then literally in the film, that physicalizes for her. That character becomes like real to her. And it's like very surreal. It's almost like Black Swan, where it's like, there's like another version of her that's antagonizing her. And it's really interesting. Like the created, fantasized version of her. I have to see this. And this came out like,

Pre-Y2K, too. Like, so pretty ahead of its time in terms of, like... Yeah, 97. Especially talking about the internet. Like, the computer that she uses in the film is, like, a 90s computer. Like, so way before there was, like, virality on the internet or anything like that. Or Twitter. This was, like, right on the pulse. But for you to talk about Twitter in a way that, like, everybody talks about it, which is...

Everyone's me. Yeah. Like every, literally everyone has that experience. And that says it all. Favorite place to vacation. Such a hard left. Favorite place to vacation. If you said Epcot right now, it would rock. It would rock. Disney World. Is that what Disney is? I love you. What is that? What is that? Disney World. No, you're so chic to a taste. Disney World.

You know what? Period. No, I think like South of Albania or Ibiza. I love Ibiza. We've never been to Ibiza. Ibiza's really fun. But when I say Ibiza, people immediately think of like the one strip with all the clubs where it's like absolute carnage. But you can do really like peaceful, quiet. There's amazing restaurants in Ibiza. It's really chill. Beautiful little beaches, little coves.

It's amazing. And then you can like dip out once a week and go to DC 10 and just rave. So you just need like, it's about balance. But I love Ibiza because you get best of both worlds. Damn, that's cool. That's cool. I love it. This has been so fun and such a joy. I'm like so galvanized to go to Glastonbury now because I've never been. And if I'm going to go, I should be here. It will be...

Absolutely mad. Who are the other headliners? Coldplay, SZA. Coldplay's on Saturday. SZA? SZA's on Sunday. Shania Twain is doing the legend slot. The fuck? Yeah. No, it has to happen. I mean, that's nuts. Shania Twain is doing the legend slot? Last weekend of June. It's going to be totally mad. I feel like you're a... Are you a Shania girlie? I love Shania. Shania, come on over. I actually met her after the Grammys at an after party and she came to say hi and I was like, oh, Shania! Oh my God. Wow. So I'm very excited. Yeah.

Yeah. That's a fucking stacked lineup. But like you, I think, are holding a very, very beautiful position on that poster for me because it's like, I think you're first. You're first. The Friday night. Because then that means you can just rally. And also it's like the Friday night spot is,

really important because it does set a tone like Lana just kicked ass like at Coachella like it was so sick and then Billie came out and that was like a moment forever and it did like set the whole weekend on fire afterwards it was just like well we're all living the best experience

Cannot wait. And the album is coming out, I guess, in two days from when this is out. And you're doing SNL. That's going to be incredible. Just like all the most exciting things. Thank you so much for having me. This has been so much fun. I'm happy. So you can work and you can play. You can work and you can play. And there you go. And Dua's actually writing this episode off on her taxes. Because, yeah, it's vacation. We end every episode with a song. But if these walls could touch.

We're not necessarily off book yet because we just got it, but it is the vibe. It's pretty good. Bye.

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"Taste!" (w/ Dua Lipa)

Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang

Chapters

What Makes Fiji Water Earth's Finest Water?

How Did Dua Lipa's Concert Experience Influence Her New Album?

What Was Dua Lipa's Formative Pop Culture Moment?

How Does Dua Lipa Balance Work and Play?

What Are Dua Lipa's Thoughts on Social Media and Creativity?

What Excites Dua Lipa About Upcoming Performances?

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"Taste!" (w/ Dua Lipa) 01:09:15

Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang

Chapters

What Makes Fiji Water Earth's Finest Water?

How Did Dua Lipa's Concert Experience Influence Her New Album?

What Was Dua Lipa's Formative Pop Culture Moment?

How Does Dua Lipa Balance Work and Play?

What Are Dua Lipa's Thoughts on Social Media and Creativity?

What Excites Dua Lipa About Upcoming Performances?

Shownotes Transcript

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"Taste!" (w/ Dua Lipa)