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The 2020 Election Indictment Read by Ali Velshi

Publish Date: 2023/8/2
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Hello, and welcome to a special episode of Prosecuting Donald Trump. I'm Ali Velshi. For the third time in just four months, the former president has been criminally charged. Now, for the second time at the federal level. But legal experts say this indictment is the most serious one yet for Trump, and the most important for our democracy.

The DOJ charging Trump with four counts in connection with his efforts to overturn the 2020 election results, including: Conspiracy to defraud the United States Conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding Obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding Conspiracy against rights

The 45-page indictment also lists six unindicted co-conspirators who Trump allegedly enlisted to assist him in efforts to overturn the will of the voters. The former president, of course, denies any wrongdoing. As I did with the last federal indictment, I want to read you the entire document so that you have every detail of what exactly Trump is being charged with this time. So, here we go.

In the United States District Court for the District of Columbia, United States of America versus Donald J. Trump, defendant. Indictment. The grand jury charges that at all times material to this indictment, on or about the dates and at the approximate time stated below,

Introduction Paragraph 1 The defendant, Donald J. Trump, was the 45th President of the United States and a candidate for re-election in 2020. The defendant lost the 2020 presidential election. Paragraph 2

Despite having lost, the defendant was determined to remain in power. So, for more than two months following Election Day on November 3, 2020, the defendant spread lies that there had been outcome determinative fraud in the election and that he had actually won. These claims were false, and the defendant never lied.

knew that they were false. But the defendant repeatedly and widely disseminated them anyway to make knowingly false claims appear legitimate, create an intense national atmosphere of mistrust and anger, and erode public faith in the administration of the election.

Paragraph three, the defendant had a right, like every American, to speak publicly about the election and even to claim falsely that there had been outcome determinative fraud during the election and that he had won.

He was also entitled to formally challenge the results of the election through lawful and appropriate means, such as by seeking recounts or audits of the popular vote in states or filing lawsuits challenging ballots and procedures.

Indeed, in many cases, the defendant did pursue these methods of contesting the election results. His efforts to change the outcome in any state through recounts, audits, or legal challenges were uniformly unsuccessful.

Paragraph 4. Shortly after Election Day, the defendant also pursued unlawful means of discounting legitimate votes and subverting the election results. In so doing, the defendant perpetrated three criminal conspiracies.

a. A conspiracy to defraud the United States by using dishonesty, fraud, and deceit to impair, obstruct, and defeat the lawful federal government function by which the results of the presidential election are collected, counted, and certified by the federal government in violation of Title 18 United States Code Section 371.

b. A conspiracy to corruptly obstruct and impede the January 6th Congressional proceeding at which the collected results of the presidential election are counted and certified, the certification proceeding, in violation of Title 18 United States Code Section 1512-K.

and C, a conspiracy against the right to vote and to have one's vote counted in violation of Title 18 United States Code Section 241.

Each of these conspiracies, which built on the widespread mistrust the defendant was creating through pervasive and destabilizing lies about election fraud, targeted a bedrock function of the United States federal government, the nation's process of collecting, counting, and certifying the results of the presidential election, the federal government function.

Count 1. Conspiracy to defraud the United States. Title 18, United States Code, Section 371. Paragraph 5. The allegations contained in paragraphs 1 through 4 of this indictment are re-alleged and fully incorporated here by reference. The conspiracy. Paragraph 6. From

From on or about November 14th, 2020, through on or about January 20, 2021, in the District of Columbia and elsewhere, the defendant, Donald J. Trump, did knowingly combine, conspire, confederate, and agree with co-conspirators, known and unknown to the grand jury, to defraud the United States by using dishonesty, fraud, and deceit

to impair, obstruct, and defeat the lawful federal government function by which the results of the presidential election are collected, counted, and certified by the federal government. Purpose of the conspiracy.

Paragraph 7. The purpose of the conspiracy was to overturn the legitimate results of the 2020 presidential election by using knowingly false claims of election fraud to obstruct the federal government function by which those results are collected, counted, and certified.

The defendant's co-conspirators. Paragraph 8. The defendant enlisted co-conspirators to assist him in his criminal efforts to overturn the legitimate results of the 2020 presidential election and retain power. Among these were A.

Co-conspirator one, an attorney who was willing to spread knowingly false claims and pursue strategies that the defendant's 2020 re-election campaign attorneys would not. B, co-conspirator two, an attorney who devised and attempted to implement a strategy to leverage the vice president's ceremonial role overseeing the certification proceeding to obstruct the certification of the presidential election.

C. Co-conspirator 3, an attorney whose unfounded claims of election fraud the defendant privately acknowledged to others sounded crazy. Nonetheless, the defendant embraced and publicly amplified co-conspirator 3's disinformation.

D. Co-conspirator 4, a Justice Department official who worked on civil matters and who, with the defendant, attempted to use the Justice Department to open sham election crime investigations and influence state legislatures with knowingly false claims of election fraud.

E. Co-Conspirator 5, an attorney who assisted in devising and attempting to implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding. F. Co-Conspirator 6, a political consultant who helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding. The Federal Government Function, Paragraph 9.

The federal government function by which the results of the election for President of the United States are collected, counted, and certified was established through the Constitution and the Electoral Count Act, ECA, a federal law enacted in 1887. The Constitution provided that individuals called electors select the president and that each state determine for itself how to appoint the electors apportioned to it.

Through state laws, each of the 50 states and the District of Columbia chose to select their electors based on the popular vote in the state. After Election Day, the ECA required each state to formally determine or ascertain the electors who would represent the state's voters by casting electoral votes on behalf of the candidate who had won the popular vote and required

the executive of each state to certify to the federal government the identities of those electors.

Then, on a date set by the ECA, each state's ascertained electors were required to meet and collect the results of the presidential election, that is, to cast electoral votes based on their state's popular vote and to send their electoral votes, along with the state executive certification that they were the state's legitimate electors, to the United States Congress to be counted and

and certified in an official proceeding. Finally, the Constitution and ECA required on the 6th of January following Election Day, the Congress meet in a joint session for a certification proceeding presided over by the Vice President as President of the Senate to count the electoral votes, resolve any objections, and announce the result.

thus certifying the winner of the presidential election as president-elect. This federal government function, from the point of ascertainment to the certification, is foundational to the United States democratic process and until 2021 had operated in a peaceful and orderly manner for more than 130 years. Manner and Means

Paragraph 10. The defendant's conspiracy to impair, obstruct, and defeat the federal government function through dishonesty, fraud, and deceit included the following manner and means.

A. The defendant and co-conspirators used knowingly false claims of election fraud to get state legislatures and election officials to subvert the legitimate election results and change electoral votes for the defendant's opponent, Joseph R. Biden Jr., to electoral votes for the defendant.

That is, on the pretext of baseless fraud claims, the defendant pushed officials in certain states to ignore the popular vote, disenfranchise millions of voters, dismiss legitimate electors, and ultimately cause the ascertainment of and voting by illegitimate electors in favor of the defendant.

B. The defendant and co-conspirators organized fraudulent slates of electors in seven targeted states: Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, attempting to mimic the procedures that the legitimate electors were supposed to follow under the Constitution and other federal and state laws.

This included causing the fraudulent electors to meet on the day appointed by federal law on which legitimate electors were to gather and cast their votes, cast fraudulent votes for the defendant, and sign certificates falsely representing that they were legitimate electors.

Some fraudulent electors were tricked into participating based on the understanding that their vote would be used only if the defendant succeeded in outcome determinative lawsuits within their state, which the defendant never did.

The defendant and co-conspirators then caused these fraudulent electors to transmit their false certificates to the vice president and other government officials to be counted at the certification proceeding on January 6th. C.

The defendant and co-conspirators attempted to use the power and authority of the Justice Department to conduct sham election crime investigations and to send a letter to the targeted states that falsely claimed that the Justice Department had identified significant concerns that may have impacted the election outcome, that sought to advance the defendant's fraudulent elector plan by using the Justice Department's authority

to falsely present the fraudulent electors as a valid alternative to the legitimate electors, and that urged on behalf of the Justice Department the targeted states' legislatures to convene to create the opportunity to choose the fraudulent electors over the legitimate electors. D.

The defendant and co-conspirators attempted to enlist the vice president to use his ceremonial role at the January 6th certification proceeding to fraudulently alter the election results. First, using knowingly false claims of election fraud, the defendant and co-conspirators attempted to convince the vice president to use the defendant's fraudulent electors, reject legitimate electoral votes,

or send legitimate electoral votes to state legislatures for review rather than counting them. When that failed, on the morning of January 6th, the defendant and co-conspirators repeated knowingly false claims of election fraud to gathered supporters, falsely told them that

E.

After it became public on the afternoon of January 6th that the vice president would not fraudulently alter the election results, a large and angry crowd, including many individuals whom the defendant had deceived into believing the vice president could and might change the election results, violently attacked the Capitol and halted the proceeding.

As violence ensued, the defendant and co-conspirators exploited the disruption by redoubling efforts to levy false claims of election fraud and convince members of Congress to further delay the certification based on those claims. The defendant's knowledge of the falsity of his election fraud claims.

Paragraph 11. The defendant, his co-conspirators, and their agents made knowingly false claims that there had been outcome determinative fraud in the 2020 presidential election.

These prolific lies about election fraud included dozens of specific claims that there had been substantial fraud in certain states, such as that large numbers of dead, non-resident, non-citizen, or otherwise ineligible voters had cast ballots, or that voting machines had changed votes for the defendant to votes for Biden. These claims were false, and the defendant never

knew that they were false. In fact, the defendant was notified repeatedly that his claims were untrue, often by the people on whom he relied for candid advice on important matters and who were best positioned to know the facts. And he deliberately disregarded the truth. For instance...

A. The defendant's vice president, who personally stood to gain by remaining in office as part of the defendant's ticket and whom the defendant asked to study fraud allegations, told the defendant that he had seen no evidence of outcome determinative fraud.

B, the senior leaders of the Justice Department appointed by the defendant and responsible for investigating credible allegations of election crimes told the defendant on multiple occasions that various allegations of fraud were unsupported.

C. The director of national intelligence, the defendant's principal advisor on intelligence matters related to national security, disabused the defendant of the notion that the intelligence community's findings regarding foreign interference would change the outcome of the election.

D, the Department of Homeland Security's Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, CISA, whose existence the defendant signed into law to protect the nation's cybersecurity infrastructure from attack, joined an official multi-agency statement that there was no evidence any voting system had been compromised and that declared the 2020 election, quote, the most secure in American history, end quote.

Days later, after the CISA director, whom the defendant had appointed, announced publicly that election security experts were in agreement that claims of computer-based election fraud were unsubstantiated, the defendant fired him.

E. Senior White House attorneys selected by the defendant to provide him candid advice informed the defendant that there was no evidence of outcome determinative election fraud and told him that his presidency would end on Inauguration Day in 2021. F.

Senior staffers on the defendant's 2020 re-election campaign, whose sole mission was the defendant's re-election, told the defendant on November 7, 2020, that he had only a 5 to 10 percent chance of prevailing in the election and that success was contingent on the defendant winning ongoing vote counts or litigation in Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin—

Within a week of that assessment, the defendant lost in Arizona, meaning he had lost the election. G. State legislators and officials, many of whom were the defendant's political allies, had voted for him and wanted him to be re-elected, repeatedly informed the defendant that his claims of fraud in their states were unsubstantiated or false and resisted his pressure to act based upon them. H.

State and federal courts, the neutral arbiters responsible for ensuring the fair and even-handed administration of election laws, rejected every outcome-determinative post-election lawsuit filed by the defendant, his co-conspirators, and allies, providing the defendant real-time notice that his allegations were meritless.

Paragraph 12. The defendant widely disseminated his false claims of election fraud for months, despite the fact that he knew and in many cases had been informed directly that they were not true. The defendant's knowingly false statements were integral to his criminal plans to defeat the federal government function, obstruct the certification, and interfere with others' right to vote and have their votes counted.

He made these knowingly false claims throughout the post-election time period, including those below that he made immediately before the attack on the Capitol on January 6th. A. The defendant insinuated that more than 10,000 dead voters had voted in Georgia. Just four days earlier, Georgia's Secretary of State had explained to the defendant that this was false.

B, the defendant asserted that there had been 205,000 more votes than voters in Pennsylvania. The defendant's acting attorney general and acting deputy attorney general had explained to him that this was false.

C. The defendant said that there had been a suspicious vote dump in Detroit, Michigan. The defendant's attorney general had explained to the defendant that this was false, and the defendant's allies in the Michigan state legislature, the Speaker of the House of Representatives and Majority Leader of the Senate, had publicly announced that there was no evidence of substantial fraud in the state.

D, the defendant claimed that there had been tens of thousands of double votes and other fraud in Nevada. The Nevada Secretary of State had previously rebutted the defendant's fraud claims by publicly posting a facts versus myths document explaining that Nevada judges had reviewed and rejected them and the Nevada Supreme Court had rendered a decision denying such claims.

E. The defendant said that more than 30,000 non-citizens had voted in Arizona. The defendant's own campaign manager had explained to him that such claims were false, and the Speaker of the Arizona House of Representatives, who had supported the defendant in the election, had issued a public statement that there was no evidence of substantial fraud in Arizona.

F, the defendant asserted that voting machines in various contested states had switched votes from the defendant to Biden. The defendant's attorney general, acting attorney general, and acting deputy attorney general all had explained to him that this was false, and numerous recounts and audits had confirmed the accuracy of voting machines. ♪

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The criminal agreement, an act to affect the object of the conspiracy. The defendant's use of deceit to get state officials to subvert the legitimate election results and change electoral votes.

Paragraph 13. Shortly after Election Day, which fell on November 3, 2020, the defendant launched his criminal scheme. On November 13, the defendant's campaign attorney conceded in court that he had lost the vote count in the state of Arizona, meaning, based on the assessment the defendant's campaign advisors had given him just a week earlier, the defendant had lost the election. So,

So the next day, the defendant turned to co-conspirator one, whom he announced would spearhead his efforts going forward to challenge the election results. From that point on, the defendant and his co-conspirators executed a strategy to use knowing deceit in the targeted states to impair, obstruct, and defeat the federal government function, including as described below. Arizona, paragraph 14.

On November 13, 2020, the defendant had a conversation with his campaign manager who informed him that a claim that had been circulating that a substantial number of non-citizens had voted in Arizona was false.

Paragraph 15. On November 22, eight days before Arizona's governor certified the ascertainment of the state's legitimate electors based on the popular vote, the defendant and co-conspirator one called the speaker of the Arizona House of Representatives and made knowingly false claims of election fraud aimed at interfering with the ascertainment of and voting by Arizona's electors as follows.

A. The defendant and co-conspirator one falsely asserted, among other things, that a substantial number of non-citizens, non-residents, and dead people had voted fraudulently in Arizona. The Arizona House Speaker asked co-conspirator one for evidence of the claims, which co-conspirator one did not have but claimed he would provide. Co-conspirator one never did so.

B, the defendant and co-conspirator one asked the Arizona House Speaker to call the legislature into session to hold a hearing based on their claims of election fraud. The Arizona House Speaker refused, stating that doing so would require a two-thirds vote of its members and he would not allow it without actual evidence of fraud.

C, the defendant and co-conspirator one asked the Arizona House Speaker to use the legislature to circumvent the process by which legitimate electors would be ascertained for Biden based on the popular vote and replace those electors with a new slate for the defendant. The Arizona House Speaker refused, responding that the suggestion was beyond anything he had ever heard or thought of as something within his authority.

Paragraph 16. On December 1, co-conspirator one met with the Arizona House speaker. When the Arizona House speaker again asked co-conspirator one for evidence of the outcome determinative election fraud he and the defendant had been claiming, co-conspirator one responded with words to the effect of, quote, we don't have the evidence, but we have lots of theories, end quote.

Paragraph 17. On December 4, the Arizona House Speaker issued a public statement that said, in part, no election is perfect, and if there were evidence of illegal votes or an improper count, then Arizona law provides a process to contest the election, a lawsuit under state law. But the law does not authorize the legislature to reverse the results of an election.

As a conservative Republican, I don't like the results of the presidential election. I voted for President Trump and worked hard to reelect him. But I cannot and will not entertain a suggestion that we violate current law to change the outcome of a certified election.

I and my fellow legislators swore an oath to support the United States Constitution and the Constitution and laws of the state of Arizona. It would violate that oath, the basic principles of Republican government, and the rule of law if we attempted to nullify the people's vote based on unsupported theories of fraud.

Under the laws that we wrote and voted upon, Arizona voters choose who wins, and our system requires that their choice be respected. Paragraph 18. On the morning of January 4, 2021, co-conspirator 2 called the Arizona House Speaker to urge him to use a majority of the legislature to decertify the state's legitimate electors. Paragraph 19.

Arizona's validly ascertained electors had voted three weeks earlier and sent their votes to Congress, which was scheduled to count those votes in Biden's favor in just two days time at the January 6th certification proceeding.

When the Arizona House Speaker explained that state investigations had uncovered no evidence of substantial fraud in the state, co-conspirator two conceded that he didn't know enough about facts on the ground in Arizona, but nonetheless told the Arizona House Speaker to decertify and, quote, let the court sort it out, end quote.

The Arizona House Speaker refused, stating that he would not, quote, play with the oath, end quote, he had taken to uphold the United States Constitution and Arizona law. Paragraph 19. On January 6th, the defendant publicly repeated the knowingly false claim that 36,000 non-citizens had voted in Arizona. Georgia.

Paragraph 20. On November 16, 2020, on the defendant's behalf, his executive assistant sent co-conspirator three and others a document containing bullet points critical of a certain voting machine company, writing, quote, see attached, please include as is or almost as is in lawsuit, end quote.

Co-conspirator three responded nine minutes later, writing, quote, It must go in all suits in Georgia and Pennsylvania immediately with a fraud claim that requires the entire election to be set aside in those states and machines impounded for nonpartisan professional inspection, end quote.

On November 25, co-conspirator 3 filed a lawsuit against the governor of Georgia falsely alleging massive election fraud accomplished through the voting machine company's election software and hardware.

Before the lawsuit was even filed, the defendant retweeted a post promoting it. The defendant did this despite the fact that when he had discussed co-conspirator three's far-fetched public claims regarding the voting machine company in private with advisors, the defendant had conceded that they were unsupported and that co-conspirator three sounded, quote, crazy, end quote. Co-conspirator three's Georgia lawsuit was dismissed on December 7th.

Paragraph 21. On December 3, co-conspirator 1 orchestrated a presentation to a judiciary subcommittee of the Georgia State Senate with the intention of misleading state senators into blocking the ascertainment of legitimate electors. During the presentation, A.

A, an agent of the defendant and co-conspirator one falsely claimed that more than 10,000 dead people voted in Georgia. That afternoon, a senior advisor to the defendant told the defendant's chief of staff through text messages, quote, just an FYI, a campaign lawyer and his team verified that the 10,000 plus supposed dead people voting in Georgia is not accurate. It was alleged in co-conspirator one's hearing today.

End quote. The senior advisor clarified that he believed the actual number was 12. B. Another agent of the defendant and co-conspirator 1 played a misleading excerpt of a video recording of ballot counting at State Farm Arena in Atlanta and insinuated that it showed election workers counting suitcases of illegal ballots. C.

Co-conspirator 2 encouraged the legislators to decertify the state's legitimate electors based on false allegations of election fraud.

Paragraph 22. Also on December 3, the defendant issued a tweet amplifying the knowingly false claims made in co-conspirator one's presentation in Georgia. Quote, wow, blockbuster testimony taking place right now in Georgia. Ballot stuffing by Dems when Republicans were forced to leave the large counting room. Plenty more coming, but this alone leads to an easy win of the state. End quote.

Paragraph 23. On December 4, the Georgia Secretary of State's chief operating officer debunked the claims made at co-conspirator one's presentation the previous day, issuing a tweet stating, quote, the 90 second video election workers at State Farm Arena purporting to show fraud was watched in its entirety hours by Georgia Secretary of State investigators shows normal ballot processing. Here is the fact check on it.

On December 7, he reiterated during a press conference that the claim that there had been misconduct at State Farm Arena was false.

Paragraph 24. On December 8, the defendant called the Georgia attorney general to pressure him to support an election lawsuit filed in the Supreme Court by another state's attorney general. The Georgia attorney general told the defendant that officials had investigated various claims of election fraud in the state and were not seeing evidence to support them.

Paragraph 25. Also on December 8, a senior campaign advisor who spoke with the defendant on a daily basis and had informed him on multiple occasions that various fraud claims were untrue expressed frustration that many of co-conspirator one and his legal team's claims could not be substantiated.

As early as mid-November, for instance, the senior campaign advisor had informed the defendant that his claims of a large number of dead voters in Georgia were untrue.

With respect to the persistent false claim regarding State Farm Arena, on December 8th, the senior campaign advisor wrote in an email, quote, when our research and campaign legal team can't back up any of the claims made by our elite strike force legal team, you can see why we're zero for 32 on our cases. I'll obviously hustle to help on all fronts, but it's tough to own any of this when it's all just conspiracy shit beamed down from the mothership, end quote.

Paragraph 26. On December 10, four days before Biden's validly ascertained electors were scheduled to cast votes and send them to Congress, co-conspirator one appeared at a hearing before the Georgia House of Representatives Government Affairs Committee.

Co-conspirator one played the State Farm Arena video again and falsely claimed that it showed, quote, voter fraud right in front of people's eyes, end quote. And it was, quote, the tip of the iceberg.

Then he cited two election workers by name, baselessly accusing them of, quote, quite obviously, surreptitiously passing around USB ports as if they are vials of heroin or cocaine, end quote, and suggested that they were criminals whose, quote, place of work, their homes, should have been searched for evidence of ballots, for evidence of USB ports, for evidence of voter fraud, end quote.

Thereafter, the two election workers received numerous death threats.

Paragraph 27. On December 15, the defendants summoned the incoming acting attorney general, the incoming acting deputy attorney general, and others to the Oval Office to discuss allegations of election fraud. During the meeting, the Justice Department officials specifically refuted the defendants' claim about State Farm Arena, explaining to him that the activity shown on the tape co-conspirator one had used was benign. Paragraph 28.

On December 23, a day after the defendant's chief of staff personally observed the signature verification process at the Cobb County Civic Center and notified the defendant that state election officials were, quote, conducting themselves in an exemplary fashion, end quote, and would find fraud if it existed, the defendant tweeted that the Georgia officials administering the signature verification process were trying to hide evidence of election fraud and

and were, quote, terrible people, end quote.

Paragraph 29. In a phone call on December 27, the defendant spoke with the acting attorney general and acting deputy attorney general. During the call, the defendant again pressed the unfounded claims regarding State Farm Arena, and the two top Justice Department officials again rebutted the allegations, telling him that the Justice Department had reviewed videotape and interviewed witnesses and had not identified any suspicious conduct.

Paragraph 30. On December 31, the defendant signed a verification affirming false election fraud allegations made on his behalf in a lawsuit filed in his name against the Georgia governor.

In advance of the filing, co-conspirator two, who was advising the defendant on the lawsuit, acknowledged in an email that he and the defendant had, since signing a previous verification, quote, been made aware that some of the allegations and evidence proffered by the experts has been inaccurate, end quote, and that signing a new affirmation, quote, with that knowledge and incorporation by reference would not be accurate, end quote.

The defendant and co-conspirator, too, caused the defendant's signed verification to be filed nonetheless. Paragraph 31. On January 2, four days before Congress's certification proceeding, the defendant and others called Georgia's Secretary of State.

During the call, the defendant lied to the Georgia Secretary of State to induce him to alter Georgia's popular vote count and call into question the validity of the Biden electors votes, which had been transmitted to Congress weeks before, including as follows. A.

The defendant raised allegations regarding the State Farm Arena video and repeatedly disparaged one of the same election workers that co-conspirator one had maligned on December 10, using her name almost 20 times and falsely referring to her as, quote, a professional vote scammer and hustler, end quote. In response, the Georgia secretary of state refuted this.

Quote, you're talking about the State Farm video, and I think it's extremely unfortunate that co-conspirator one or his people, they sliced and diced that video and took it out of context, end quote. When the Georgia Secretary of State then offered a link to a video that would disprove co-conspirator number one's claims, the defendant responded, quote, I don't care about a link. I don't need it. I have a much, I have a much better link.

End quote. B, the defendant asked about rumors that paper ballots cast in the election were being destroyed, and the Georgia Secretary of State's counsel explained to him that the claim had been investigated and was not true.

C, the defendant claimed that 5,000 dead people voted in Georgia, causing the Georgia Secretary of State to respond, quote, well, Mr. President, the challenge that you have is the data you have is wrong. The actual number were two, two, two people that were dead that voted. And so your information's wrong. That was two, end quote.

D, the defendant claimed that thousands of out-of-state voters had cast ballots in Georgia's election, which the Georgia Secretary of State's counsel refuted, explaining, quote,

Everyone we've been through are people that lived in Georgia, moved to a different state, but then moved back to Georgia legitimately. They moved back in years ago. This was not like something just before the election, end quote. E, in response to multiple other of the defendant's allegations, the Georgia Secretary of State's counsel told the defendant that the Georgia Bureau of Investigation was examining all such claims and finding no merit to them.

The defendant said that he needed to, quote, find, end quote, 11,780 votes and insinuated that the Georgia secretary of state and his counsel could be subject to criminal prosecution if they failed to find election fraud as he demanded, stating, quote, and you're going to find that they are, which is totally illegal. It's it's it's.

It's more illegal for you than it is for them because you know what they did and you're not reporting it. That's a criminal, you know, that's a criminal offense. And, you know, you can't let that happen. That's a big risk to you and to your lawyer, end quote.

Paragraph 32. The next day, on January 3, the defendant falsely claimed that the Georgia Secretary of State had not addressed the defendant's allegations, publicly stating that the Georgia Secretary of State, quote, was unwilling or unable to answer questions such as the ballots under table scam, ballot destruction, out-of-state voters, dead voters, and more. He has no clue, end quote.

Paragraph 33. On January 6th, the defendant publicly repeated the knowingly false insinuation that more than 10,300 dead people had voted in Georgia.

Michigan, paragraph 34. On November 5, 2020, the defendant claimed that there had been a suspicious dump of votes, purportedly illegitimate ballots, stating, quote, in Detroit, there were hours of unexplained delay in delivering many of the votes for counting. The final batch did not arrive until four in the morning, and even though the polls closed at eight o'clock, so they brought it in and the batches came in and nobody knew where they came from, end quote.

Paragraph 35. On November 20, three days before Michigan's governor signed a certificate of ascertainment notifying the federal government that, based on the popular vote, Biden's electors were to represent Michigan's voters, the defendant held a meeting in the Oval Office with the Speaker of the Michigan House of Representatives and the Majority Leader of the Michigan Senate. In the meeting, the defendant raised his false claim, among others, of an illegitimate vote dump in Detroit.

In response, the Michigan Senate majority leader told the defendant that he had lost Michigan not because of fraud, but because the defendant had underperformed with certain voter populations in the state. Upon leaving their meeting, the Michigan House speaker and Michigan Senate majority leader issued a statement reiterating this.

Quote, the Senate and House oversight committees are actively engaged in a thorough review of Michigan's election process, and we have faith in the committee process to provide greater transparency and accountability to our citizens. We have not yet been made aware of any information that would change the outcome of the election in Michigan and Michigan.

As legislative leaders, we will follow the law and follow the normal process regarding Michigan's electors, just as we have said throughout this election, end quote. Paragraph 36. On December 1, the defendant raised the Michigan vote dump claim with the attorney general, who responded that what had occurred in Michigan had been the normal vote counting process and that there was no indication of fraud in Detroit.

Paragraph 37. Despite this, the next day, the defendant made a knowingly false statement that in Michigan, quote, at 631 in the morning, a vote dump of 149,772 votes came in unexpectedly. We were winning by a lot. That batch was received in horror. Nobody knows anything about it. It's corrupt. Detroit is corrupt.

I have a lot of friends in Detroit. They know it. But Detroit is totally corrupt, end quote. Paragraph 38. On December 4, co-conspirator one sent a text message to the Michigan House speaker reiterating his unsupported claim of election fraud and attempting to get the Michigan House speaker to assist in reversing the ascertainment of the legitimate Biden electors, stating, quote,

Paragraph 39. Similarly, on December 7, despite having established no fraud in Michigan, co-conspirator 1 sent a text intended for the Michigan Senate Majority Leader, quote,

So I need you to pass a joint resolution from the Michigan legislature that states that the election is in dispute. There's an ongoing investigation by the legislature, and the electors sent by Governor Whitmer are not the official electors of the state of Michigan and do not fall within the safe harbor deadline of December 8 under Michigan law, end quote.

Paragraph 40. On December 14, the day that electors in states across the country were required to vote and submit their votes to Congress, the Michigan House Speaker and Michigan Senate Majority Leader announced that, contrary to the defendants' requests, they would not decertify the legitimate election results or electors in Michigan. The Michigan Senate Majority Leader's public statement included, quote, we have not received evidence of fraud on a scale that would change the outcome of the election in Michigan, end quote.

The Michigan House Speaker's public statement read in part, quote, We've diligently examined these reports of fraud to the best of our ability. I fought hard for President Trump. Nobody wanted him to win more than me. I think he's done an incredible job. But I love our republic, too. I can't fathom risking our norms, traditions and institutions to pass a resolution retroactively changing the electors for Trump.

simply because some think there may have been enough widespread fraud to give him the win. That's unprecedented for good reason, and that's why there is not enough support in the House to cast a new slate of electors. I fear we'd lose our country forever. This truly would bring mutually assured destruction for every future election in regards to the Electoral College, and I can't stand for that. I won't."

Paragraph 41. On January 6, 2021, the defendant publicly repeated his knowingly false claim regarding an illicit dump of more than 100,000 ballots in Detroit.

Pennsylvania, paragraph 42. On November 11, 2020, the defendant publicly maligned a Philadelphia city commissioner for stating on the news that there was no evidence of widespread fraud in Philadelphia. As a result, the Philadelphia city commissioner and his family received death threats.

Paragraph 43. On November 25, the day after Pennsylvania's governor signed a certificate of ascertainment and thus certified to the federal government that Biden's electors were the legitimate electors for the state, co-conspirator one orchestrated an event at a hotel in Gettysburg attended by state legislators.

Co-conspirator one falsely claimed that Pennsylvania had issued 1.8 million absentee ballots and received 2.5 million in return. In the days thereafter, a campaign staffer wrote internally that co-conspirator one's allegation was, quote, just wrong, end quote, end quote. There's no way to defend it, end quote. The deputy campaign manager responded, quote, we've been saying this for a while. It's very frustrating, end quote.

Paragraph 44. On December 4, after four Republican leaders of the Pennsylvania legislature issued a public statement that the General Assembly lacked the authority to overturn the popular vote and appoint its own slate of electors, and that doing so would violate the state election code and constitution, the defendant retweeted a post labeling the legislators cowards.

Paragraph 45. On December 31 and January 3, the defendant repeatedly raised with the acting attorney general and acting deputy attorney general the allegation that in Pennsylvania there had been 205,000 more votes than voters. Each time, the Justice Department officials informed the defendant that his claim was false.

Paragraph 46. On January 6, 2021, the defendant publicly repeated his knowingly false claim that there had been 205,000 more votes than voters in Pennsylvania. Wisconsin. Paragraph 47. On November 29, 2020, a recount in Wisconsin that the defendant's campaign had petitioned and paid for did not change the election result and, in fact, increased the defendant's margin of defeat.

Paragraph 48. On December 14, the Wisconsin Supreme Court rejected an election challenge by the campaign. One justice wrote, quote, nothing in this case casts any legitimate doubt that the people of Wisconsin lawfully chose Vice President Biden and Senator Harris to be the next leaders of our great country, end quote.

Paragraph 49. On December 21, as a result of the state Supreme Court's decision, the Wisconsin governor, who had signed a certificate of ascertainment on November 30, identifying Biden's electors as the state's legitimate electors, signed a certificate of final determination in which he recognized that the state Supreme Court had resolved a controversy regarding the appointment of

Biden's electors and confirmed that Biden had received the highest number of votes in the state and that his electors were the state's legitimate electors.

Paragraph 50. That same day, in response to the court decision that had prompted the Wisconsin governor to sign a certificate of final determination, the defendant issued a tweet repeating his knowingly false claim of election fraud and demanding that the Wisconsin legislature overturn the election results that had led to the ascertainment of Biden's electors as the legitimate electors.

Paragraph 51. On December 27, the defendant raised with the acting attorney general and acting deputy attorney general a specific fraud claim that there had been more votes than voters in Wisconsin. The acting deputy attorney general informed the defendant that the claim was false. Paragraph 52. On January 6, 2021, the defendant publicly repeated knowingly false claims that there had been tens of thousands of unlawful votes in Wisconsin.

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The defendant's use of dishonesty, fraud, and deceit to organize fraudulent slates of electors and cause them to transmit false certificates to Congress.

Paragraph 53. As the defendant's attempts to obstruct the electoral vote through deceit of state officials met with repeated failure, beginning in early December 2020, he and co-conspirators developed a new plan to marshal individuals who would have served as the defendant's electors had he won the popular vote in seven targeted states, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and

and Wisconsin, and caused those individuals to make and send to the Vice President and Congress false certifications that they were legitimate electors. Under the plan, the submission of these fraudulent slates would create a fake controversy at the certification proceeding and position the Vice President presiding on January 6th as President of the Senate to supplant legitimate electors with the defendant's

fake electors and certify the defendant as president.

Paragraph 54. The plan capitalized on ideas presented in memoranda drafted by co-conspirator Five, an attorney who was assisting the defendant's campaign with legal efforts related to a recount in Wisconsin. The memoranda evolved over time from a legal strategy to preserve the defendant's rights to a corrupt plan to subvert the federal government function by stopping Biden's electors votes from being counted and certified as follows.

A. The November 18 Memorandum, Wisconsin Memo, advocated that because of the ongoing recount in Wisconsin, the defendant's electors there should meet and cast votes on December 14, the date the ECA required appointed electors to vote, to preserve the alternative of the defendant's Wisconsin elector slate in the event the defendant ultimately prevailed in the state.

B, the December 6th memorandum, fraudulent elector memo, marked a sharp departure from co-conspirator 5's Wisconsin memo, advocating that the alternate electors originally conceived of to preserve the rights in Wisconsin instead be used in a number of states as fraudulent electors to prevent Biden from receiving the 270 electoral votes necessary to secure the presidency on January 6th.

The fraudulent elector memo suggested that the defendant's electors in six purportedly contested states, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, should meet and mimic as best as possible the actions of the legitimate Biden electors, and that on January 6th, the vice president should open and count the fraudulent votes, setting up a fake controversy that would derail the proper certification of Biden as president-elect.

C, the December 9 memorandum, fraudulent elector instructions, consisted of co-conspirator 5's instructions on how fraudulent electors could mimic legitimate electors in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania,

Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. Co-conspirator 5 noted that in some states, it would be virtually impossible for the fraudulent electors to successfully take the same steps as the legitimate electors because state law required formal participation in the process by state officials or access to official resources.

Paragraph 55. The plan began in early December, and ultimately, the conspirators and the defendant's campaign took the Wisconsin memo and expanded it to any state that the defendant claimed was contested, even New Mexico, which the defendant had lost by more than 10% of the popular vote.

This expansion was forecast by emails the defendant's chief of staff sent on December 6, forwarding the Wisconsin memo to campaign staff and writing, quote, we just need to have someone coordinating the electors for states, end quote.

Paragraph 56. On December 6, the defendant and co-conspirator 2 called the chairwoman of the Republican National Committee to ensure that the plan was in motion. During the call, co-conspirator 2 told the chairwoman that it was important for the RNC to help the defendant's campaign gather electors in targeted states...

and falsely represented to her that such electors' votes would be used only if ongoing litigation in one of the states changed the results in the defendant's favor. After the RNC chairwoman consulted the campaign and heard that work on gathering electors was underway, she called and reported this information to the defendant, who responded approvingly.

Paragraph 57. On December 7, co-conspirator one received the Wisconsin memo and the fraudulent elector memo. Co-conspirator

Co-conspirator one spoke with co-conspirator six regarding attorneys who could assist in the fraudulent elector effort in the targeted states. And he received from co-conspirator six an email identifying attorneys in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

Paragraph 58. The next day, on December 8, co-conspirator 5 called the Arizona attorney on co-conspirator 6's list. In an email after the call, the Arizona attorney recounted his conversation with co-conspirator 5 as follows. Quote,

I just talked to the gentleman who did that memo, co-conspirator five. His idea is basically that all of us, Georgia, Wisconsin, Arizona, Pennsylvania, et cetera, have our electors send in their votes, even though the votes aren't legal under federal law because they're not signed by the governor, so that members of Congress can fight about whether they should be counted on January 6th. They could potentially argue that they're not bound by federal law because they're Congress and make the law, et cetera.

Kind of wild slash creative. I'm happy to discuss. My comment to him was that I guess there's no harm in it, legally at least, i.e. we would just be sending in fake electoral votes to Pence so that someone in Congress can make an objection when they start counting votes and start arguing that the fake votes should be counted.

Paragraph 59, at co-conspirator one's direction on December 10, co-conspirator five sent to points of contact in all targeted states except Wisconsin, which had already received his memos, and New Mexico, a streamlined version of the Wisconsin memo, which did not reveal the intended fraudulent use of the defendant's electors and the fraudulent elector instructions along with fraudulent elector certificates that he had drafted.

Paragraph 60. The next day, on December 11, through co-conspirator 5, co-conspirator 1 suggested that the Arizona lawyer file a petition for sorcerery in the Supreme Court as a pretext to claim that litigation was pending in the state to provide cover for the convening and voting of the defendant's fraudulent electors there.

Co-conspirator five explained that co-conspirator one had heard from a state official and state provisional elector that, quote, it could appear treasonous for the Arizona electors to vote on Monday if there is no pending court proceeding, end quote.

Paragraph 61. To manage the plan in Pennsylvania, on December 12, co-conspirator 1, co-conspirator 5, and co-conspirator 6 participated in a conference call organized by the defendant's campaign with the defendant's electors in that state. When the defendant's electors expressed concern about signing certificates representing themselves as legitimate electors,

Co-conspirator 1 falsely assured them that their certificates would be used only if the defendant succeeded in litigation. Subsequently, co-conspirator 6 circulated proposed conditional language to that effect for potential inclusion in the fraudulent elector certificates.

A campaign official cautioned not to offer the conditional language to other states because, quote, the other states are signing what he prepared. If it gets out, we change the language for Pennsylvania. It could snowball, end quote. In some cases, the defendant's electors refused to participate in the plan.

Paragraph 62. On December 13, co-conspirator 5 sent co-conspirator 1 an email memorandum that further confirmed that the conspirator's plan was not to use the fraudulent electors only in the circumstance that the defendant's litigation was successful in one of the targeted states. Instead, the plan was to falsely present the fraudulent slates as alternative to the legitimate slates at Congress's certification proceeding.

Paragraph 63. On December 13, the defendant asked the senior campaign advisor for an update on what was going on with the elector plan and directed him to, quote, put out a statement on electors, end quote. As a result, co-conspirator one directed the senior campaign advisor to join a call with him, co-conspirator six and others.

When the senior campaign advisor related these developments in text messages to the deputy campaign manager, a senior advisor to the defendant, and a campaign staffer, the deputy campaign manager responded, quote, Here's the thing. The way this has morphed, it's a crazy play, so I don't know who wants to put their name on it, end quote. The senior advisor wrote, quote, Certifying illegal votes, end quote.

In turn, the participants in the group text message refused to have a statement regarding electors attributed to their names because none of them could, quote, stand by it, end quote.

Paragraph 64. Also on December 13, at a campaign staffer's request, co-conspirator 5 drafted and sent fraudulent elector certificates for the defendant's electors in New Mexico, which had not previously been among the targeted states and where there was no pending litigation on the defendant's behalf.

The next day, the defendant's campaign filed an election challenge suit in New Mexico at 1154 a.m., six minutes before the noon deadline for the electors votes as a pretext so that there was pending litigation there at the time the fraudulent electors voted. Paragraph 65.

On December 14, the legitimate electors of all 50 states and the District of Columbia met in their respective jurisdictions to formally cast their votes for president, resulting in a total of 232 electoral votes for the defendant and 306 for Biden.

The legitimate electoral votes that Biden won in the states that the defendant targeted and the defendant's margin of defeat were as follows. Arizona, 11 electoral votes, 10,457 votes. Georgia, 16 electoral votes, 11,779 votes. Michigan, 16 electoral votes, 154,188 votes.

Nevada, 6 electoral votes, 33,596 votes. New Mexico, 5 electoral votes, 99,720 votes. Pennsylvania, 20 electoral votes, 80,555 votes. And Wisconsin, 10 electoral votes, 20,682 votes.

Paragraph 66. On the same day, at the direction of the defendant and co-conspirator one, fraudulent electors convened sham proceedings in the seven targeted states to cast fraudulent electoral ballots in favor of the defendant.

In some states, in order to satisfy legal requirements set forth for legitimate electors under state law, state officials were enlisted to provide the fraudulent electors access to state capitol buildings so that they could gather and vote there. In many cases, however, as co-conspirator 5 had predicted in the fraudulent elector instructions, the fraudulent electors were unable to satisfy the legal requirements.

Paragraph 67. Nonetheless, as directed in the fraudulent elector instructions shortly after the fraudulent electors met on December 14, the targeted states fraudulent elector certificates were mailed to the president of the Senate, the archivist of the United States and others.

The defendant and co-conspirators ultimately used the certificates of these fraudulent electors to deceitfully target the government function and did so contrary to how fraudulent electors were told they would be used. Paragraph 68. Unlike those of the fraudulent electors consistent with the ECA, the legitimate electors signed certificates were annexed to the state's executive certificates of ascertainment before being sent to the President of the Senate and others.

Paragraph 69. That evening at 626 p.m., the RNC chairwoman forwarded to the defendant through his executive assistant an email titled, quote, Electors Recap Final, end quote, which represented that in six contested states, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, the defendant's electors had voted in parallel to Biden's electors. The defendant's executive assistant responded, quote, It's in front of him, end quote.

The defendants attempt to leverage the Justice Department to use deceit to get state officials to replace legitimate electors and electoral votes with the defendants.

Paragraph 70. In late December 2020, the defendant attempted to use the Justice Department to make knowingly false claims of election fraud to officials in the targeted states through a formal letter under the acting attorney general's signature, thus giving the defendants lies, the backing of the federal government and attempting to improperly influence the targeted states to replace legitimate Biden electors with the defendants.

Paragraph 71. On December 22, the defendant met with co-conspirator four at the White House. Co-conspirator four had not informed his leadership at the Justice Department of the meeting, which was a violation of the Justice Department's written policy restricting contacts with the White House to guard against improper political influence.

Paragraph 72. On December 26, co-conspirator four spoke on the phone with the acting attorney general and lied about the circumstances of his meeting with the defendant at the White House, falsely claiming that the meeting had been unplanned. The acting attorney general directed co-conspirator four not to have unauthorized contact with the White House again, and co-conspirator four said he would not.

Paragraph 73. The next morning on December 27, contrary to the acting attorney general's direction, co-conspirator four spoke with the defendant on the defendant's cell phone for nearly three minutes.

Paragraph 74. That afternoon, the defendant called the acting attorney general and acting deputy attorney general and said, among other things, quote, people tell me co-conspirator four is great. I should put him in, end quote. The defendant also raised multiple false claims of election fraud, while the acting attorney general and acting deputy attorney general refuted.

When the acting attorney general told the defendant that the Justice Department could not and would not change the outcome of the election, the defendant responded, quote, just say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressman, end quote.

Paragraph 75. On December 28, co-conspirator four sent a draft letter to the acting attorney general and acting deputy attorney general, which he proposed they all sign. The draft was addressed to state officials in Georgia, and co-conspirator four proposed sending versions of the letter to elected officials in other targeted states. The proposed letter contained numerous knowingly false claims about the election and the Justice Department, including that A,

The Justice Department had, quote, identified significant concerns that may have impacted the outcome of the election in multiple states, end quote.

B, the Justice Department believed that in Georgia and other states, two valid slates of electors had gathered at the proper location on December 14 and that both sets of ballots had been transmitted to Congress. That is, co-conspirator 4's letter sought to advance the defendant's fraudulent elector plan by using the authority of the Justice Department to falsely present the fraudulent electors as a valid alternative to the legitimate electors.

C. The Justice Department urged that the state legislature convene a special legislative session to create the opportunity to, among other things, choose the fraudulent electors over the legitimate electors.

Paragraph 76, the acting deputy attorney general promptly responded to co-conspirator four by email and told him that his proposed letter was false, writing, quote, despite dramatic claims to the contrary, we have not seen the type of fraud that calls into question the reported and certified results of the election, end quote. In a meeting shortly thereafter, the acting attorney general and acting deputy attorney general again directed co-conspirator four not to have unauthorized contact with the White House.

Paragraph 77. On December 31, the defendant summoned to the Oval Office the acting attorney general, acting deputy attorney general, and other advisors. In the meeting, the defendant again raised claims about election fraud that Justice Department officials already had told him were not true and that the senior Justice Department officials reiterated were false, and he suggested he might change the leadership in the Justice Department.

Paragraph 78. On January 2, 2021, just four days before Congress's certification proceeding, co-conspirator Ford tried to coerce the acting attorney general and acting deputy attorney general to sign and send co-conspirator Ford's draft letter, which contained the false statements to state officials.

He told them that the defendant was considering making co-conspirator for the new acting attorney general, but that co-conspirator for would decline the defendant's offer if the acting attorney general and acting deputy attorney general would agree to send the proposed letter to the targeted states. The Justice Department officials refused.

Paragraph 79. The next morning on January 3, despite having uncovered no additional evidence of election fraud, co-conspirator for sent to a Justice Department colleague an edited version of his draft letter to the states, which included a change from its previous claim that the Justice Department had, quote, concerns and quote.

to a stronger false claim that, quote, as of today, there is evidence of significant irregularities that may have impacted the outcome of the election in multiple states, end quote. Paragraph 80. Also on the morning of January 3, co-conspirator 4 met with the defendant at the White House, again, without having informed senior Justice Department officials and accepted the defendant's offer that he become the acting attorney general.

Paragraph 81. On the afternoon of January 3, co-conspirator 4 spoke with the deputy White House counsel. The previous month, the deputy White House counsel had informed the defendant that, quote, there is no world, there is no option in which you do not leave the White House on January 20th, end quote. Now, the same deputy White House counsel tried to dissuade co-conspirator 4 from assuming the role of acting attorney general.

The deputy White House counsel reiterated to co-conspirator for that there had not been outcome determinative fraud in the election and that if the defendant remained in office, nonetheless, there would be, quote, riots in every major city in the United States, end quote. Co-conspirator for responded, quote, Well, that's why there's an insurrection act, end quote.

Paragraph 82. Also that afternoon, co-conspirator four met with the acting attorney general and told him that the defendant had decided to put co-conspirator four in charge of the Justice Department. The acting attorney general responded that he would not accept being fired by a subordinate and immediately scheduled a meeting with the defendant for that evening.

Paragraph 83. On the evening of January 3, the defendant met for a briefing on an overseas national security issue with the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and other senior national security advisors. The chairman briefed the defendant on the issue, which had previously arisen in December, as well as possible ways the defendant could handle it.

When the chairman and another advisor recommended that the defendant take no action because Inauguration Day was only 17 days away and any course of action could trigger something unhelpful, the defendant calmly agreed, stating, quote, Yeah, you're right. It's too late for us. We're going to give that to the next guy, end quote.

Paragraph 84. The defendant moved immediately from his national security briefing to the meeting that the acting attorney general had requested earlier that day, which included co-conspirator for the acting attorney general, the acting deputy attorney general, the Justice Department's assistant attorney general for the Office of Legal Counsel, the White House counsel, a deputy White House counsel, and a senior advisor.

At the meeting, the defendant expressed frustration with the acting attorney general for failing to do anything to overturn the election results. And the group discussed co-conspirator four's plans to investigate purported election fraud and to send his proposed letter to state officials, a copy of which was provided to the defendant during the meeting.

The defendant relented in his plan to replace the acting attorney general with co-conspirator for only when he was told that it would result in mass resignations at the Justice Department and of his own White House counsel.

Paragraph 85. At the meeting in the Oval Office on the night of January 3, co-conspirator 4 suggested that the Justice Department should opine that the vice president could exceed his lawful authority during the certification proceeding and change the election outcome. When the assistant attorney general for the Office of Legal Counsel began to explain why the Justice Department should not do so, the defendant said, quote, no one here should be talking to the vice president. I'm talking to the vice president, end quote.

and ended the discussion.

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Paragraph 86. As the January 6th congressional certification proceeding approached and other efforts to impair, obstruct, and defeat the federal government function failed, the defendant sought to enlist the vice president to use his ceremonial role at the certification to fraudulently alter the election results.

The defendant did this first by using knowingly false claims of election fraud to convince the vice president to accept the defendant's fraudulent electors, reject legitimate electoral votes, or send legitimate electoral votes to state legislatures for review rather than count them. When that failed, the defendant attempted to use a crowd of supporters that he had gathered in Washington, D.C. to pressure the vice president to fraudulently alter the election results.

Paragraph 87. On December 19, 2020, after cultivating widespread anger and resentment for weeks with his knowingly false claims of election fraud, the defendant urged his supporters to travel to Washington on the day of the certification proceeding, tweeting, quote, big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there. We'll be wild, end quote. Throughout late December, he repeatedly urged his supporters to come to Washington for January 6th.

Paragraph 88. On December 23, the defendant retweeted a memo titled Operation Pence Card, which falsely asserted that the vice president could, among other things, unilaterally disqualify legitimate electors from six targeted states.

Paragraph 89. On the same day, co-conspirator two circulated a two-page memorandum outlining a plan for the vice president to unlawfully declare the defendant the certified winner of the presidential election. In the memorandum, co-conspirator two claimed that seven states had transmitted two slates of electors

and proposed that the vice president announced that, quote, because of the ongoing disputes in the seven states, there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those states, end quote.

Next, co-conspirator two proposed steps that he acknowledged violated the ECA, advocating that in the end, quote, Pence then gavels President Trump as reelected, end quote. Just two months earlier, on October 11, co-conspirator two had taken the opposite position, writing that neither the Constitution nor the ECA provided the vice president discretion in the counting of electoral votes or permitted him to, quote, make the determination on his own, end quote.

Paragraph 90. On several private phone calls in late December and early January, the defendant repeated knowingly false claims of election fraud and directly pressured the vice president to use his ceremonial role at the certification proceeding on January 6th to fraudulently overturn the results of the election. And the vice president resisted, including...

A, on December 25, when the vice president called the defendant to wish him a Merry Christmas, the defendant quickly turned the conversation to January 6 and his request that the vice president reject electoral votes that day. The vice president pushed back, telling the defendant, as the vice president already had in previous conversations, quote, you know, I don't think I have the authority to change the outcome, end quote.

B, on December 29, as reflected in the vice president's contemporaneous notes, the defendant falsely told the vice president that, quote, the Justice Department was finding major infractions, end quote.

See, on January 1, the defendant called the vice president and berated him because he had learned that the vice president had opposed a lawsuit seeking a judicial decision that at the certification, the vice president had the authority to reject or return votes to the states under the Constitution. The vice president responded that he thought there was no constitutional basis for such authority and that it was improper. In response, the defendant told the vice president, quote, you're too honest.

End quote. Within hours of the conversation, the defendant reminded his supporters to meet in Washington before the certification proceeding, tweeting, quote, The big protest rally in Washington, D.C. will take place at 11 a.m. on January 6th. Location details to follow. Stop the steal. End quote.

D. On January 3, the defendant again told the vice president that at the certification proceeding, the vice president had the absolute right to reject electoral votes and the ability to overturn the election. The vice president responded that he had no such authority and that a federal appeals court had rejected the lawsuit making that claim the previous day.

Paragraph 91. On January 3, Co-Conspirator 2 circulated a second memorandum that included a new plan under which, contrary to the ECA, the Vice President would send the elector slates to the state legislatures to determine which slate to count. Paragraph 92. On January 3, Co-Conspirator 2 circulated a second memorandum that included a new plan under which, contrary to the ECA, the Vice President would send the elector slates to the state legislatures to determine which slate to count.

On January 4, the defendant held a meeting with co-conspirator to the vice president, the vice president's chief of staff and the vice president's counsel for the purpose of convincing the vice president, based on the defendant's knowingly false claims of election fraud, that the vice president should reject or send to the states Biden's legitimate electoral votes rather than count them.

The defendant deliberately excluded his White House counsel from the meeting because the White House counsel previously had pushed back on the defendant's false claims of election fraud. Paragraph 93. During the meeting, as reflected in the vice president's contemporaneous notes, the defendant made knowingly false claims of election fraud, including, quote, bottom line, won every state by hundreds of thousands of votes.

End quote. End quote. We won every state. End quote. And asked regarding a claim his senior Justice Department officials previously had told him was false, including as recently as the night before. Quote, what about 205,000 votes more in Pennsylvania than voters? End quote.

The defendant and co-conspirator two then asked the vice president to either unilaterally reject the legitimate electors from the seven targeted states or send the question of which was legitimate to the targeted states' legislatures. When the vice president challenged co-conspirator two on whether the proposal to return the question to the states was defensible, co-conspirator two responded, quote, well, nobody's tested it before, end quote. The vice president then told the defendant, quote,

quote, did you hear that? Even your own counsel is not saying that I have the authority, end quote. The defendant responded, quote, that's okay. I prefer the other suggestion, end quote, of the vice president rejecting the electors unilaterally.

Paragraph 94. Also on January 4, when co-conspirator 2 acknowledged to the defendant's senior advisor that no court would support his proposal, the senior advisor told co-conspirator 2, quote, you're going to cause riots in the streets, end quote. Co-conspirator 2 responded that there had previously been points in the nation's history where violence was necessary to protect the republic.

After that conversation, the senior advisor notified the defendant that co-conspirator two had conceded that his plan was, quote, not going to work, end quote. Paragraph 95.

On the morning of January 5, at the defendant's direction, the vice president's chief of staff and the vice president's counsel met again with co-conspirator two. Co-conspirator two now advocated that the vice president do what the defendant had said he preferred the day before, unilaterally reject electors from the targeted states.

During this meeting, co-conspirator two privately acknowledged to the vice president's counsel that he hoped to prevent judicial review of his proposal because he understood that it would be unanimously rejected by the Supreme Court. The vice president's counsel expressed to co-conspirator two that following through with the proposal would result in a, quote, disastrous situation, end quote, where the election might, quote, have to be decided in the streets, end quote.

Paragraph 96. That same day, the defendant encouraged supporters to travel to Washington on January 6th, and he set the false expectation that the vice president had the authority to and might use his ceremonial role at the certification proceeding to reverse the election outcome in the defendant's favor, including issuing the following tweets.

A, at 11.06 a.m., quote, the vice president has the power to reject fraudulently chosen electors, end quote. This was within 40 minutes of the defendant's earlier reminder, quote, see you in D.C., end quote. B, at 5.05 p.m., quote, Washington is being inundated with people who don't want to see an election victory stolen. Our country has had enough. They won't take it anymore. We hear you and love you from the Oval Office, end quote.

C, at 5.43 p.m., quote, I will be speaking at the Save America rally tomorrow on the Ellipse at 11 a.m. Eastern. Arrive early. Doors open at 7 a.m. Eastern. Big crowds, end quote.

Paragraph 97. Also on January 5, the defendant met alone with the vice president. When the vice president refused to agree to the defendant's request that he obstruct the certification, the defendant grew frustrated and told the vice president that the defendant would have to publicly criticize him. Upon learning of this, the vice president's chief of staff was concerned for the vice president's safety and alerted the head of the vice president's Secret Service detail.

Paragraph 98. As crowds began to gather in Washington and were audible from the Oval Office, the defendant remarked to advisers that the crowd the following day on January 6th was going to be, quote, angry, end quote.

Paragraph 99. That night, the defendant approved and caused the defendant's campaign to issue a public statement that the defendant knew from his meeting with the vice president only hours earlier was false. Quote, the vice president and I are in total agreement that the vice president has the power to act. End quote.

Paragraph 100. On January 6, starting in the early morning hours, the defendant again turned to knowingly false statements aimed at pressuring the vice president to fraudulently alter the election outcome and raised publicly the false expectation that the vice president might do so.

A, at 1 a.m., the defendant issued a tweet that falsely claimed, quote, if Vice President Mike Pence comes through for us, we will win the presidency. Many states want to decertify the mistake they made in certifying incorrect and even fraudulent numbers in a process not approved by their state legislatures, which it must be. Mike can send it back, end quote.

B. At 8.17 a.m., the defendant issued a tweet that falsely stated, quote, states want to correct their votes, which they now know were based on irregularities and fraud, plus corrupt process that never received legislature approval. All Mike Pence has to do is send them back to the states and we win. Do it, Mike. This is a time for extreme courage, end quote.

Paragraph 101. On the morning of January 6, an agent of the defendant contacted a United States senator to ask him to hand-deliver documents to the vice president. The agent then facilitated the receipt by the senator's staff of the fraudulent certificates signed by the defendant's fraudulent electors in Michigan and Wisconsin, which were believed not to have been delivered to the vice president or archivist by mail. Paragraph 101.

When one of the senator's staffers contacted a staffer for the vice president by text message to arrange for delivery of what the senator's staffer had been told were, quote, alternate slates of electors for Michigan and Wisconsin because archivists didn't receive them, end quote, the vice president's staffer rejected them.

Paragraph 102. At 11.15 a.m., the defendant called the vice president and again pressured him to fraudulently reject or return Biden's legitimate electoral votes. The vice president again refused. Immediately after the call, the defendant decided to single out the vice president in public remarks he would make within the hour, reinserting language that he had personally drafted earlier that morning, falsely claiming that the vice president had authority to send electoral votes to the states

but that advisers had previously successfully advocated be removed. Paragraph 103. Earlier that morning, the defendant had selected co-conspirator two to join co-conspirator one in giving public remarks before his own. When they did so, based on knowingly false election fraud claims, co-conspirator one and co-conspirator two intensified pressure on the vice president to fraudulently obstruct the certification proceeding.

A, co-conspirator one told the crowd that the vice president could, quote, cast the ECA aside, end quote, and unilaterally, quote, decide on the validity of those crooked ballots, end quote. He also lied when he claimed to, quote, have letters from five legislatures begging us, end quote, to send elector slates to the legislatures for review and called for, quote, trial by combat, end quote. B,

B, co-conspirator two told the crowd, quote, all we are demanding of Vice President Pence is this afternoon at one o'clock. He let the legislatures of the state look into this so that we get to the bottom of it. And the American people know whether we have control of the direction of our government or not. We no longer live in a self-governing republic if we can't get the answer to this question, end quote.

Paragraph 104. Next, beginning at 1156 a.m., the defendant made multiple knowingly false statements integral to his criminal plans to defeat the federal government function, obstruct the certification, and interfere with others' right to vote and have their votes counted. The

The defendant repeated false claims of election fraud, gave false hope that the vice president might change the election outcome, and directed the crowd in front of him to go to the Capitol as a means to obstruct the certification and pressure the vice president to fraudulently obstruct the certification. The defendant's knowingly false statements for these purposes included, A, the defendant falsely claimed that based on fraud, the vice president could alter the outcome of the election results, stating, quote,

I hope Mike is going to do the right thing. I hope so. I hope so. Because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win this election. All he has to do, all, this is from the number one or certainly one of the top constitutional lawyers in our country, he has the absolute right to do it. We're supposed to protect our country, support our country, support our Constitution, and protect our Constitution.

States want to revote. The states got defrauded. They were given false information. They voted on it. Now they want to recertify. They want it back. All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people, end quote.

B, after the defendant falsely stated that the Pennsylvania legislature wanted, quote, to recertify their votes, they want to recertify. But the only way that can happen is if Mike Pence agrees to send it back, quote, the crowd began to chant, quote, send it back. C, the defendant also said that regular rules no longer applied, stating, quote, and fraud breaks up everything, doesn't it? When you catch somebody in a fraud, you're allowed to go by very different rules, end quote.

D, finally, after exhorting that, quote, we fight, we fight like hell, and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore, end quote. The defendant directed the people in front of him to head to the Capitol, suggested he was going with them, and told them to give members of Congress, quote, the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country, end quote. Paragraph 105, during and after the defendant's remarks, thousands of people marched toward the Capitol.

The defendant's exploitation of the violence and chaos at the Capitol. Paragraph 106. Shortly before 1 p.m., the vice president issued a public statement explaining that his role as president of the Senate at the certification proceeding that was about to begin did not include, quote, unilateral authority to determine which electoral votes should be counted and which should not, end quote.

Paragraph 107. Before the defendant had finished speaking, a crowd began to gather at the Capitol. Thereafter, a mass of people, including individuals who had traveled to Washington and to the Capitol at the defendant's direction, broke through barriers cordoning off the Capitol grounds and advanced on the building, including by violently attacking law enforcement officers trying to secure it.

Paragraph 108. The defendant, who had returned to the White House after concluding his remarks, watched events at the Capitol unfold on the television in the dining room next to the Oval Office. Paragraph 109. At 2.13 p.m., after more than an hour of steady, violent advancement, the crowd at the Capitol broke into the building.

Paragraph 110. Upon receiving the news that individuals had breached the Capitol, the defendant's advisors told him that there was a riot there and that rioters had breached the building. When advisors urged the defendant to issue a calming message aimed at the rioters, the defendant refused, instead repeatedly remarking that the people at the Capitol were angry because the election had been stolen.

Paragraph 111. At 2.24 p.m., after advisers had left the defendant alone in his dining room, the defendant issued a tweet intended to further delay and obstruct the certification. Quote, Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and our Constitution, giving states a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth. End quote.

Paragraph 112. One minute later, at 225 p.m., the United States Secret Service was forced to evacuate the vice president to a secure location. Paragraph 113. At the Capitol throughout the afternoon, members of the crowd chanted, quote, hang Mike Pence, end quote, quote, where is Pence? Bring him out, end quote, end quote, traitor Pence, end quote.

Paragraph 114, the defendant repeatedly refused to approve a message directing rioters to leave the Capitol as urged by his most senior advisors, including the White House counsel, a deputy White House counsel, the chief of staff, a deputy chief of staff, and a senior advisor. Instead, the defendant issued two tweets that did not ask rioters to leave the Capitol, but instead falsely suggested that the crowd at the Capitol was being peaceful, including rioters.

A, at 2.38 p.m., quote, please support our Capitol Police and law enforcement. They are truly on the side of our country. Stay peaceful, end quote. B, at 3.13 p.m., quote, I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence. Remember, we are the party of law and order. Respect the law and our great men and women in blue. Thank you, end quote.

Paragraph 115. At 3 p.m., the defendant had a phone call with the minority leader of the United States House of Representatives. The defendant told the minority leader that the crowd at the Capitol was more upset about the election than the minority leader was.

Paragraph 116. At 4.17 p.m., the defendant released a video message on Twitter that he had just taped in the White House Rose Garden. In it, the defendant repeated the knowingly false claim that, quote, we had an election that was stolen from us, end quote, and finally asked individuals to leave the Capitol while telling them that they were, quote, very special, end quote, and that, quote, we love you, end quote.

Paragraph 117. After the 417 PM tweet, as the defendant joined others in the outer oval office to watch the attack on the Capitol on television, the defendant said, quote, See, this is what happens when they try to steal an election. These people are angry. These people are really angry about it. This is what happens. End quote.

Paragraph 118. At 6.01 p.m., the defendant tweeted, quote, these are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously and viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly and unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love and in peace. Remember this day forever, end quote.

Paragraph 119. On the evening of January 6, the defendant and co-conspirator one attempted to exploit the violence and chaos at the Capitol by calling lawmakers to convince them, based on knowingly false claims of election fraud, to delay the certification, including A. The defendant, through White House aides, attempted to reach two United States senators at 6 p.m.

B, from 6.59 p.m. until 7.18 p.m., co-conspirator one placed calls to five United States senators and one United States representative. C, co-conspirator six attempted to confirm phone numbers for six United States senators whom the defendant had directed co-conspirator one to call and attempted to enlist in further delaying the certification.

D, in one of the calls, co-conspirator one left a voicemail intended for a United States senator that said, quote, we need you, our Republican friends, to try to just slow it down so we can get these legislatures to get more information to you. And I know they're reconvening at eight tonight, but the only strategy we can follow is to object to numerous states and raise issues so that we get ourselves into tomorrow, ideally until the end of tomorrow, end quote.

E, in another message intended for another United States senator, co-conspirator one repeated knowingly false allegations of election fraud, including that the vote counts certified by the states to Congress were incorrect and that the governors who had certified knew they were incorrect, that illegal immigrants had voted in substantial numbers in Arizona and that, quote, Georgia gave you a number in which 65,000 people who were underage voted, end quote.

Co-conspirator one also claimed that the vice president's actions had been surprising and asked the senator to, quote, object to every state and kind of spread this out a little bit like a filibuster, end quote. Paragraph 120. At 7.01 p.m., while co-conspirator one was calling United States senators on behalf of the defendant, the White House counsel called the defendant to ask him to withdraw any objections and allow the certification. The defendant refused.

Paragraph 121. The attack on the Capitol obstructed and delayed the certification for approximately six hours until the Senate and House of Representatives came back into session separately at 8.06 p.m. and 9.02 p.m., respectively, and came together in a joint session at 11.35 p.m.

Paragraph 122. At 1144 p.m., co-conspirator two emailed the vice president's counsel advocating that the vice president violate the law and seek further delay of the certification. Co-conspirator two wrote, quote, I implore you to consider one more relatively minor violation of the ECA and adjourn for 10 days to allow the legislatures to finish their investigations and

as well as to allow a full forensic audit of the massive amount of illegal activity that has occurred here, end quote. Paragraph 123. At 3.41 a.m. on January 7th, as president of the Senate, the vice president announced the certified results of the 2020 presidential election in favor of Biden.

Paragraph 124, the defendant and his co-conspirators committed one or more of the acts to affect the object of the conspiracy alleged above in paragraphs 13, 15 to 16, 18 to 22, 24, 26, 27.

28, 30-33, 35, 37-39, 41, 43-44, 46, 50, 52, 54, 56, 57-64, 67, 71-75, 78-82, 84, 85,

87 to 97 99 to 100 102 to 104 111 114 116 118 to 119 and 122 in violation of title 18 united states code section 371 count two conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding title 18 united states code section 1512 k

Paragraph 125. The allegations contained in paragraphs 1 through 4 and 8 through 123 of this indictment are re-alleged and fully incorporated here by reference.

Paragraph 126. From on or about November 14, 2020 through on or about January 7, 2021 in the District of Columbia and elsewhere, the defendant, Donald J. Trump, did knowingly combine, conspire, confederate, and agree with co-conspirators known as the

and unknown to the grand jury, to corruptly obstruct and impede an official proceeding, that is, the certification of the electoral vote in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1512-C-2. In violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1512-K.

Count 3. Obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding. Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1512C2 and 2. Paragraph 127. The allegations contained in paragraph 1 through 4 and 8 through 123 of this indictment are re-alleged and fully incorporated here by reference.

Paragraph 128. From on or about November 14, 2020 through on or about January 7, 2021, in the District of Columbia and elsewhere, the defendant, Donald J. Trump, attempted to and did corruptly obstruct and impede an official proceeding, that is, the certification of the electoral vote, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1512C2 and 2.

Count four, conspiracy against rights, Title 18, United States Code, Section 241, Paragraph 129. The allegations contained in paragraphs one through four and eight through 123 of this indictment are re-alleged and fully incorporated here by reference.

Paragraph 130. From on or about November 14, 2020 through on or about January 20, 2021, in the District of Columbia and elsewhere, the defendant, Donald J. Trump, did knowingly combine, conspire, confederate, and agree with co-conspirators known and unknown to the grand jury to injure,

oppress, threaten, and intimidate one or more persons in the free exercise and enjoyment of a right and privilege secured to them by the Constitution and laws of the United States. That is, the right to vote and to have one's vote counted in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 241. Jack Smith, Special Counsel, United States Department of Justice.

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