Holiday Re-Release: Jennifer Aniston: The Callback Queen 40:13

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And I wanted to give you a little special something, a special re-release of my talk with Jennifer Aniston, who I adore. And this was recorded in 2021, just after the Friends reunion. It's a doozy, and I thought it might be fun to go back and have another listen. Enjoy.

We did it. Finally. We put this together. I can't believe it. Between our two schedules, I'm so happy to have you. Oh my gosh. I'm so happy to be had and it's been worth the wait. Well, you say that now. There's a lot of talking to be done. I know. We just started. What am I saying? Where are you, Rob? I'm in what they call Hotlanta, Atlanta. Oh, yes. Now, you must have shot here, right? So many times. So many times. Yeah. Yeah.

I think, let's see, one, two, three, four, five. I mean, a lot. See, this is my first time shooting here, and it is like being in a wet blanket.

I know. It's really unpleasant. It's an unpleasant experience. Don't run outside, whatever you do. I was thinking about actually doing that today. It's funny you say that because I got off early and I'm thinking maybe I'll run through these because it's so beautiful. I'm like, oh, it's gorgeous.

But you just, I think I would, I would, I would, I would end up in the hospital. You'd melt into the pavement and it won't be, it won't be worth it. It's much better to be in a nice air conditioned gym museum. Okay. So I was looking over all this stuff about you, which makes me laugh. It's always funny when I, when I'm interviewing somebody that I know and love, but like, then I get like the factoids. Okay. First of all, Tali Savalas really is your godfather. Really? Is that true? A hundred percent. I,

I have a picture I can show you, but the people at home wouldn't know what I'm showing you. Okay. Yes. I want to know. So we both wanted to be actors when we were kids. You, I mean, your father was an actor, obviously, but you knew you wanted to do it. How young would you say?

11. 11. So I'm eight. So we're right. I was 11. What was, what was the early auditioning period like for you? I love sharing audition horror stories. It's my favorite. I want to do a coffee table, but here's wait, here's what I really want to do. A coffee table book. Did you ever have what they called a composite when you were like doing your baseball or your nerd look or the sort of sciencey person? Yeah, no, I didn't. I didn't have that. My mom took my headshot. Oh, you kept it in house. I like that. Yeah. Yeah.

But my mom was a headshot photographer for a spell. Oh, she did a lot of things. One of them being headshot photographer for a period of time. So it was it worked in my favor. And then I remember moving out to California when when I was 20 and needing new headshots. And I had to borrow 100 bucks from my friend.

to say, can I please, I need, I have no money and I need to get headshots. Did you have somebody in your auditioning life that was always like your cursed, like foiled again by so-and-so who got the pilot that you didn't want? Because I, I for a minute had a guy named Raphael Savarge. He was, Tim Hutton used to just kill me for a long time. Really? Yeah. Tim Hutton. He was, he was one to be, he was a nemesis. Did you have a nemesis?

I didn't. No. I don't really think... No, I didn't. I mean, I was definitely the callback queen. I used to always get a callback. Always get a callback. And then it just... I was very comfortable with never getting the job. I wasn't like, oh, God, again. But I kind of... It was always a shock when it happened. And same thing with whenever a show would get picked up. I was...

I was used to doing a show and having it go, you know, six to 13 episodes. And then they get canceled and you do another one.

So like when Friends was picked up for the back nine or whatever, I was like, what's that? Yeah, the back nine. We're going golfing? We're going golfing in the back nine? Yeah, what? What? It was such a big deal. But auditions were just awful. Am I wrong that they really wanted you for Friends, but there was some other really hot pilot who was hot and you were like, it was going to happen and like it was the thing and you were on it and they're like,

We're like, damn it. We've got to get Aniston for this. And then. No, Friends was that hot pilot. I was on another show. Oh. I was on a show called Muddling Through.

And then we weren't sure if that was getting picked up. So I was then auditioning. So I got friends in second position. We don't use these terms. We don't say these things anymore, do we? I mean, second position? I think to the uninitiated second position sounds a lot more interesting than muddling through. Yes, literally. I love it.

I loved that show. I had nothing, it was nothing against that show, but I was, when I read that script for Friends, it was all, you know, my contemporaries and it was a group of, it was my, the life I had actually been living at the time in Laurel Canyon with my friends. We all lived on the same street in this, you know, in Laurel Canyon on a street called Beach Knoll. And we were all in these little rentals scattered through this one street. And we would pop over just to each other's houses randomly and we'd

Then friends came along, you know, of course, in my brain, like I manifested this. And then that was it. I always think about because I'm so shallow and narcissistic and all I care about is my own looks and other people's looks that I instantly think about the Rachel, the famous Rachel haircut and the day that.

I just like to imagine you and Chris McMillan sitting in front of a mirror going, what do you think? Like this late? No, or what about that? I mean... I wish it was a conversation. I wish it was so much... I wish it was that... I was a...

I had literally no idea what even getting your hair done was. I mean, except for like walking into a random store and like super cuts or St. Mark's. What was that? Astor Place in New York City? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you just go wait in line and someone would just give you a haircut. Whether you didn't have, you had no say in what it was. They just sort of did it.

So, and then when I met Chris, my manager had sent me to Chris McMillan, basically saying like, this is a disaster. You need to go. We need to fix this. Make it look like a TV star. Something, yeah. And then I went into Chris's chair and he just, I said, hi, nice to meet you. And then he just...

like Edward Scissorhands chopped it all up and that was it. And then I was left with it because it wasn't a very manageable haircut to do on one's own. There has to have been a men's version of the Rachel, i.e. a haircut that some actor showed up with, male actor, and people went, oh my. You know what? It might be your ex's Brad in the Tank movie because everybody had to have that haircut. In which one? The Tank movie. Fury. Tank?

Oh, but that buzz cut? Yeah, the Fury haircut. Yeah, everybody had that haircut after Fury. Everybody. What about you, though? You know what I watched recently? Because it's one of my favorite movies of all time. And it literally... I had this... I went through this period during the quarantine. I mean, it feels like yesterday, but time really means nothing to me these days because what was yesterday was actually a year ago. And what was a year ago was yesterday. St. Elmo's Fire. Oh!

You had that mullet. Remember how that look was kind of a big deal in the 80s? The mullet was big time. That short on top and it tight kind of at the side and then it went a little shaggy at the bottom. Yeah, it was supposed to be hair extensions. Joel Schumacher, the director, wanted me to actually have hair extensions. And I got lost on the way to the hair extension guy's place in the valley.

What? They did that back then? Yes. I'd never even heard of them. I didn't know what they were. But apparently, my hair was already, that was what my hair was like. So what would they have extended it to? Like my butt? Like how long would it have been? Exactly. What was Joel going for? And you know what? We watched that. I'm sorry to go back to this. We watched that right before. When did he pass away? About a year ago. Yeah. Just about a year ago. Boy, I miss movies like that.

he wanted to make a Manhattan for young people. And so it sort of had that kind of like, it, it, it,

It treated those people like it's the same thing Friends did. Friends, you know, it treated those young characters with respect. And like it was like they were both funny and goofy and all that stuff. But it wasn't like it didn't feel pandering or any of that. You know what I mean? And I think that's why people like that movie so much still. And it was very simple. It was that there was something that was just very relatable, you

That you had, it was easily identifiable and you kind of, it was you. It was just an extension of the audience having an experience, a human experience. Very simple. And yes, and I think it's again, the same experience you had with Friends. I think you, they wanted you for a different part, but you wanted to play Rachel. Is that what I'm thinking? They wanted me for Monica and they wanted Court for Rachel.

That was who, that was the age that might, so I got the audition to, you know, and that was for Monica Geller. And then I read the script and I said, I feel like I'd have more fun with Rachel. And Court had the same instinct. She read it and thought, I feel a little bit more

Like a Monica. I love that because they wanted me to play the Judd Nelson part in St. Olaf's Fire. In fact, they didn't want to see me at all. I was listening to Molly Ringwald, by the way, speaking of this period of time in those movies and Judd Nelson. You auditioned for the Breakfast Club for the Judd Nelson role. Yeah, John Hughes was not having what I was selling. That was the other thing. Did you ever have somebody who just was not in the Jennifer Aniston business no matter what you did? Everybody. Everybody.

I could not get... You don't understand. I couldn't get commercials. There was like a period of time where I just was like, I'm just going to be a professional waitress who auditions on the side. There was nobody having what I was... Serving up. It just wasn't my thing. I mean, honestly, until... I'm trying to think of what my first...

Job what? Oh, it was a Bob's Big Boy commercial. That was the first job I got was a Bob's Big Boy commercial. Did you have any dialogue? Shrimp's up. The shrimp is up or something. And I wasn't even Bob's Big Boy. I was the fast food chain of not to go to. So I wasn't even representing Bob's Big Boy. I was sort of the waitress at the not don't go to this place. Oh, I see. You should go to Bob's Big Boy.

I had my one of my first was Carl's Jr. Oh, wow. And my dialogue mine was I've got taste. The little moments, the little tiny wins will just end up being a big, big win eventually. If you can't kind of I think it's also has something to do with not really being that attached to an outcome. Right. Right. I think it's like just enjoy where where you're at.

I wouldn't say a lack of ambition, but I didn't have that, like, I've got to get to that, like,

You know, that place was just kind of enjoying the ride. You have way better perspective than I had. But you're chill. You're very chill. I mean, that's my impression of you. I think it's a good one, right? You're chill. Yeah. Do you practice TM? Did I see this right? Yes. I am loving TM, Transcendental Meditation. Wonderful. Yes. Okay, I need to get some life hacks, as they say. Okay. Do you religiously do it?

Twice a day? No. Okay, good. I feel good. Yeah, no, it's something, you know, I do notice when I do it twice a day, there is a noticeable difference. And I can't, I wouldn't, I can't put my finger on what that is because it's not really tangible, but I feel a difference. Same. No idea what it is. And if I, if I'm not keeping up with that practice, I'm

there's a noticeable difference and it feels something just feels off. For me, what it is, is I'm just way less irritable. Yes. Yeah. Would you say you're a structure? You like structure? Yes. I don't idle well. Let's say that. Do you know what I mean? I'm happy in my own company. Yeah. And I'm good with that. Yeah. And I'm happy to sit and daydream. Mm-hmm.

Yes. And do nothing. Only for a period of time, though. That's right. Only for a very succinct period. How did you get into TM? Who turned you on to it? It was David Lynch benefit at Radio City Music Hall in 2009 or 10. It was like the David Lynch Foundation. Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr were going to be performing for the first time together. Jerry Seinfeld did some stand-up. And I remember just learning about it.

and seeing these, the film, this, this clip that they put together of the Beatles and, and,

And I mean, even Howard Stern was there because he's a big TM guy, you know? And I was just taken by it. And I thought, this is something I want to really look into. And then a couple of years later, I think it was actually 20, the next year I met, I found a wonderful person named Penny who came and sort of gave me my mantra and took me through a few days and like an hour a day for five days and

You sit and you kind of go through what it is. You learn about it and it's just, and that was it.

And I got my mantra and it's, it's my mantra to this day. And I'm, we're sticking to it. My friend got, had a, had a frustrating experience because he really, he got a mantra that he cannot, the word, the, the mantra, he identifies it with something really negative in his life. So I remember him saying, I need to change my mantra. And then the person was like, you actually can't, you, you are, you're stuck with it for, for life. Yeah.

I didn't know that. Really? Yeah. So I hope you like your mantra. Vitamin water is from New York. We needed a drink that can keep up with the music scene in the city. We got to see our favorite DJ perform in Brooklyn at 3 a.m. Or sing karaoke in the village also at 3 a.m. Drink vitamin water. It's from New York.

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along with Giselle Butchkin and Penelope Cruz. How about them apples? Huh? Huh? Geez, I need to... What on earth? People come in and they go, I would like that body type. And then they kind of...

Yeah. I mean, I understand that with a haircut coming in and saying, you know, I did that with Valerie Bertinelli. I walked into Vidal Sassoon when I was a kid. Right. I wanted that little one day at a time shag. She had that Angora sweater, red Angora sweater on the cover of People magazine. This is like from 1912.

And I walked in and handed that haircut. But body shape, I don't understand that request. It's sort of sad, actually, when you think about so many people. And I think that's a bit of an unfortunate part of social media today is that it's creating those kind of desires of, you know, things that are not real or attainable, you know? Yeah. I'm glad that my kids...

First of all, I think it's tougher for girls than boys. And I'm glad that my kids were the last generation to really come up in their formative years without social media. I feel the same way. Aren't we lucky, though? I'm so lucky. Apparently, when you finally decided to break down and join Instagram, that you broke the world record for fastest time to reach a million followers on Instagram.

Five hours and 16 minutes. That was my goal. You know, I, you got to have goals. And that was one of mine. And I think I actually have, I have a plaque actually from the Guinness book of world records. That's so good. No, I know. Isn't that cool? It's some, I shouldn't have it up in my office.

Listen, the great Ty Cobb said it isn't bragging if you've done it. Just stating the fact. Records are made to be broken, let's face it. Sure. Yeah. And it says something...

Like who breaks the record is almost as important as getting the record in the first place, I think. Check this out. How cool is this? Your record was broken by Sir David Attenborough. That is absolutely incredible, which also I find that that also says something. Right? I think so. I recently joined this and it's coming out of my mouth. It just I want to murder my own self. But I.

TikTok. I was at this dinner with a bunch of tech guys and they were like, look, TikTok is right now a lot of stupid dances and the new iterations of ice bucket challenges and dogs dancing and stuff. But what it eventually is going to be where you're going to get all your news. It's going to be the biggest thing in the world. It is absolutely going to be the biggest thing in the world, the biggest company in the world. It already is. In China, it is not

Even in China, it's where everybody does everything. It's like you get your news, you do everything. It's not this goofy sort of adolescent thing that it feels like it is here and it's going to age up into that eventually in our country. So get on it now. So aren't they just like set like 20 second clips? I mean, listen, I don't even know. But you still get your news like in 20 seconds. I got more information about pulling out of Afghanistan off TikTok.

Then I have no idea if we're even talking about the same thing. No, we are. But I didn't know that's what it was. I literally thought it was here's a panda bear and he's dancing. And it is that. But it's also as this happened five minutes ago at the Bagram Air Force Base. I'm going to do a deep dive on that. Do a deep dive on it. OK, I want to talk about the morning show because I'm loving it. Are you did you find it different at all coming back to this?

to television and and it's such a different world don't you think doing whatever eight or ten episodes however many you guys do versus 22 you would sometimes do 22 friends right 22 we would do 22 episodes and then we would have um what they called wraparounds which were sort of you would shoot over a couple weeks and they would piece it together and it would become one show but go

Going back to television, it doesn't, it feels so different now because I feel like we're just shooting a movie. Yeah. It feels like you're shooting a movie, but you're just doing, you know, there's way more material in a day. It's killer. Killer good or killer bad? Both. It's like, it's killed me. I'm still, we're still in post on season two. And everything, you know, shooting a show during a pandemic,

especially in that proportion, being a news show within a show, it was just like, it's enough to put you under your covers for a long time. And you obviously produce the show as well. So when, and your post, is it very hands-on for you? Do you enjoy post as much as the rest of it? I love being in an editing room. Right. And we get to, you know, that's...

What the fun is, and we even had, we just recently had this like creative disagreement amongst our producers about our finale. And it was just, it was just, it was very exciting and invigorating as, as, as well as frustrating, but just to have, be able to have that conversation and have that collaboration and respect everybody. So, so much that, that, um,

You know, eventually when you say, okay, I'm going to lay down my sword, not going to fall on it for this one. Those are fun and exciting moments. And I just love everybody that I get to work with. Every single one of them.

It's a great cast. The thing I love about you is you really embrace and enjoy your time away from work. Like you have fun. I do. You have fun. I know you've always been a big Cabo girl. Do you like Cabo still as much as I do? I do. Well, it's also really easy to get to. It's a quick, it's a nice quick, you know, flight.

But I haven't been on a plane since January 2020. I haven't gone anywhere. No. No. Really? Wait till you try that. Do you remember MGM Air? Yes. We just were talking about this. Was that like the Concorde, you mean? No. No. MGM Air was, it was like this late 80s, mid 80s, late 80s, into the 90s, and then it was over. And it was like this, these planes that had like,

Oh, dear.

On a couch. Oh. I just remember being trapped next to Ed McMahon. Oh, my God. And his little daughter was like, Daddy, are you drinking another one of your stinky tonics? And him looking over at me going, I don't know what she means. Stinky tonics. I mean. Ed McMahon. I do remember being on Mulholland doing a hike.

when I used to live up in Laurel Canyon. And I would run into he and his wife that would be on taking their walks on Mulholland. Was he drinking a stinky tonic? Not at that time. It was usually pretty early. I wasn't up on his habits and his times of the day when he began to partake in his tonics. But I think at this point of the day, he was pretty much cleaning out the day before. Did you ever have a disastrous talk show appearance? No.

Yes and no. My very first time I was on Jay Leno, I remember the guest who was, it was Michael Keaton, was the guest before me. Amazing. And he ran out my time. You got bumped. I got bumped by Michael Keaton. And I remember it was the beginning of Friends. It was the first year of Friends. And of course, I did my own hair. I did my own makeup. I had my outfit on.

And, uh, and then I was sitting in that just so nervous and a ridiculous, overwhelming feeling of relief came over when they said you were bumped, but also huge disappointment at the same time. And I took my little Jay Leno basket of treats and my whatever little flower baskets. And I just was in the limo that they had hired for me to get there. And just remember sort of

driving back home and taking my basket from the Jay Leno show and going through it. And then I went back like two weeks later and put the same outfit on. I did the exact same thing and I got the same basket. And you killed it.

That I don't know. I don't remember. I might have killed it, depending on what that means, but something happened. You know, I did Kudrow's Who Do You Think You Are? It was one of the most fun things I ever did. I cannot wait. Wasn't it... See, now, did you... And they really are lock and key. Like, they don't let you know anything. They are deadly serious about it. So for those of you who may not have seen the show, Lisa produces, still does. It's a show called Who Do You Think You Are? And...

They literally call you up and go, hey, so we would like to put a team of genealogists on you for the next year. And if they find something interesting, then the protocol is you will have eight days of shooting. You won't know where you're shooting or what you're shooting. All we will tell you is bring a passport and we will tell you what climate you're

Of clothes to hair. That's it. That's all they tell you. And it's eight days, which like, it's hard. I was like, do I really want, that's such a hassle. And yet it's the best thing I ever did. If you haven't done it and you have the opportunity, I'm telling you. What if you have no history? Well, you know, the worst thing is, and they do find this when they, it's the only thing worse than finding nothing. Is finding something. Is finding out like your great grandfather was in the Gestapo. Oh God.

Which they also do. They find that stuff for sure. There have been a couple of folks where they have stories like, you know what, we won't be telling you a story. But now are you able to have them keep, I mean, what does happen? It's all happening live. I mean, on camera.

There's no bad surprise. Right. Right. They're never going to do that. I have to see your episode. I'm so excited now. There's something I get to watch. It's super emotional. It explained so much to me about why I think the way I think and what I'm interested in. The really radical thing was why I am interested in specific things down to why I designed my house.

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what it would look like. I mean, we'd been hearing about it for a long time. We knew that people wanted it. Fans really wanted some kind of a reunion. But I unwrapped it perfectly packaged, you know, leave it where it was. Let's not disrupt it. So when Ben Winston, our producer director, kind of came to each of us with his idea, it just resonated with all of us. And it didn't sound

like something that would cheapen or tarnish something that was perfectly left in a, in a, in its place. And we just, but I think it really took us all down way harder than we anticipated. Really? Oh, for sure. Cause in your mind it's, you think, Oh, this will be really fun to time travel. It turns out, Ooh, ouch. It's kind of hard to time travel because you're going back to a time and mind you,

It is... When I say the set was put back exactly, it was the exact same everything, down to the little tchotchkes on the shelves and little tiny things that had been in a storage space for this whole time. All of a sudden, here you are, and, you know, 16 years, a lot has gone on for each of us, and...

16 years ago, we were all sort of wide-eyed and bushy-tailed and sort of had our whole lives ahead of us, even though we were heartbroken to say goodbye to these 10 years and this family and these people and the job we all love to do. And it brought so much joy to fans and ourselves. I mean, it was just, it was like having a happy pill every single day. Yeah.

And then so so going back there, you're it's it's nostalgic in a way that's that's kind of also a little melancholy, you know, because a lot has changed. And we had a we have all gone down different roads. Not so easy and some easy and not some not so easy for for each of us, you know. Even for fans, I think, to watch it and they go, oh, yeah, this is.

Like you said, time travel. Be careful what you ask for. People loved it, obviously. But I think there's an added second –

concussion effect of like when you, when you, when you do, right? Yeah. No, a hundred, a hundred percent. It was, it was brutal. And you also can't turn it off. You know, it's not like you're like, this is, there's cameras everywhere and I can't stop crying. Was, was there anything really, really gnarly that they had to take out, do you think? Oh, I'm sure there was, there was a period where we were all kind of in a puddle and that, that for sure.

Maybe David didn't. I don't think we broke David. Even LeBlanc broke. Jeez. At one point. You know, Mr. Tough Guy. You know, our brother. Mr. Impenetrable. Mr. Impenetrable, our big, you know, brother who would kill anybody if they looked at you wrong. Even he got a little misty. I have very special recollection because I was working on the West Wing. Yeah. On the same lot. And I just remember...

You guys would roll in – well, it wasn't so much you. It was the boys. The boys would roll in in the most amazing cars, like maybe around noon, maybe 1 o'clock. I don't know. I was already on my fifth meal penalty for lunch. Oh, gosh. Yeah. And then –

It was like, I was like, this is the charm. You guys, Friday nights, you taped on Fridays, correct? Yep. Yes. Friday nights, I remember it well. You guys would come in, you'd tape. And that was the big day. Friday's the biggest day of work, right? Well, yeah. We used to wrap it. Midnight was an early night. But it was usually like two in the morning. And then we figured it out. And you were there for how many hours? So on the horrible...

2 a.m. nights, we were just warming up over on stage 24. Because our first year of West Wing, on Fridays, we did not leave the lot until Sunday morning when the sun was coming up. Not once. Not one Friday. Not once ever. So you had a Friday, basically. You had a Friday. Man, that's brutal. I have to say, now, with this kind of television schedule, that was an incredible schedule. To go in until at 10 a.m.,

you're done by five and then you're, you know, God forbid on Friday, you have a sort of a little bit of more than a 12 hour day, which is a luxury these days. Totally. Um, what,

So you're in post now. What's the next six months? What are you doing? Are you chilling? No, I'm going to start Murder Mystery 2 with Mr. Sandler in January. Okay, where are you shooting it, more importantly? Because I know he always shoots in great locations. He really does. That's kind of why I love, I mean, not only do I just love him as a human being and everything he's about.

Uh, we're, we're figuring that out right now, but we are hoping it will be in a tropical location. Yes. And then in a European location. Okay. I, I vote for, um, this is good. Yes, for sure. Because I've never seen a movie shot there. Uh huh. I say the Maldives. Oh, we brought that up. It's very hard. It's very hard. It's going to be very, Oh yeah. The only thing was shot in the Maldives is one of the, one of the new star Wars did some stuff at the Maldives. Uh,

You just go shoot. I think you should shoot in George Clooney's guest house in Lake Cuomo.

We already did that. We did that for the first... We were literally... I mean, we were in... Literally, just to sort of plug your show, in Lake Como for three weeks. That's right. You just go back. It's a sequel. You gotta have some of the same stuff. And someone's gonna die. It's gonna be a mystery. That we know. And there's a bunch of other things that are on the docket. I do... I am looking... When you say when it's the next six months, I know that the next three months are just gonna be taking a break. And I will leave the...

the house eventually. You're going to have to get on a plane. I'm going to have to get on a plane, but where is the question? Well, that's the thing. I mean, clearly it's got to be somewhere you want to go, not somewhere you have to go. I'd like to go. I really want to go to New York and miss the city.

Do you like New York City? I do. I do love it. How do you feel about trains? I'm telling you, if you've never done a train. Okay. Yeah. Because that's the best is to get a sleeper car and just go. That I've never done a sleeper car. But that's something that I actually would love to do. Get a sleeper car. It's so romantic and so old school. And they're amazing.

The other thing you could do is you could rent your own Pullman car. They'll put it on the back of the train and you and friends can, you could like, yeah, it's pretty, I had a friend who did, it was nuts. I've never heard of that. A Pullman car? Yeah, yeah. You can get your, there's different ones you can get. You can get an observation car. You live, you know, three bedrooms, a chef. Wow. Well, you've just solved my next three months. You've just literally mapped it out for me. I feel very grateful. The only thing is you want to do it before it snows. Okay. Yeah.

You should, Siri, I would be so jealous of you. I've always wanted to do it. I researched it and I've never pulled the trigger on it. Maybe it's something you need to do in the next six months. It is something. Maybe I just go with you. Okay. Maybe we just get all of our friends together. Get all of our peoples. Get a Pullman car and we'll hook our wagon to some wonderful train and then there we go. I like it. That's good. My wife Cheryl sends her love to you. I just was thinking about her the other day.

She has, she said, tell, under very specific instructions, she has some new gold. Oh,

She wants to get to you. Is this code for something? No, it's her new, it sounds like drugs. Her fall line is built around gold and she's like, I have some stuff I specifically designed for her. I really got to see her and I want to give her that. Your wife has opened me up to so many incredible experiences that I've had, I have to say. Has she? Yes. Yes.

I've met so many people through her who have been life changing and I just appreciate her. And I was thinking it's been so long. I mean, I first met your wife, Cheryl, when she did my makeup on a, um, she hadn't done Paul Rudd. Yeah. Was it with Paul Rudd movie? That's right. And she had not, and she had put down her makeup brushes, but she kind of came out of retirement to do my, to do this pickup.

I remember she put my eyebrows and no one had ever done my eyebrows like that. She's kind of a genius, my wife. She really is.

And she just has her hands in so many different areas of life that makes this one rich, wonderful, gorgeous human being. I know. I know. She's pretty great. We miss you. So we have to... You've got to come up to Santa Barbara. I know. You're all up in Santa Barbara now, too. So I feel... So many of your friends are up there. I know it. I keep trying to get my...

But up there, I want to help you pick your Pullman car. I really do. That's the first thing I'm going to Google when we hang up this wonderful conversation.

All right, darling. I love you. It was so great to see you. You look amazing. This was awesome. Thanks for taking the time. And everybody, don't forget to watch the morning show. When is the new season come out? So people know. September 17th. September 17th. It's literally upon us. That tells me you better get the post finished. No, I'm literally going to go from the, I have a meeting after this and then I have to go to ADR for the finale. And then we'll, then we get, and then I think that's, we're practically finished. Okay.

Round of applause. Round of applause. Thank you, darling. That was great. She's lovely, isn't she? She's pretty lovely. And in celebration of having such a great talk, I'm going to have a wig made in the shape of a Rachel. The shape of the Rachel? No, the style of the Rachel. I'm going to do that to honor her and her graciousness for coming on Literally. All right, everybody. It is time for the lowdown line. Let's do it.

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Hello, Mr. Lowe. This is Ryan Guy, physical therapist here in Kona, Hawaii. And I was curious that when you make your way to the Hawaiian Islands, what is your favorite Hawaiian fruit? Look forward to see if I ever run into you out here. Take care, brother. Well, hey, man, thanks for calling in from Kona. You know I love Kona. I'm there a lot. I was just there about 10 days ago. My favorite Hawaiian fruit...

Man. Well, listen, I'll get to that. But you know, my favorite Hawaiian thing is I go to that little gas station right by the airport and I get this spam. You guys have a name for it. It's like a typical like local Hawaiian thing, but it's basically like a spam California roll. Masubi, I believe it's called. And it is the most delicious thing in the world. Spam wrapped in seaweed.

And a little, you guys know what it is, but that's my, that's my all time favorite Hawaiian thing. But fruit, uh, you know, I mean, you can't go wrong with anytime you can get fresh coconut, you can't go wrong. Coconut juice, you know, I mean, I, I think I'm going to go with that. I have to say I'm not a big fruit person on food. I like fruit as fruit. I like fruit as dessert. I like fruit as juice. Don't put it in my salad. Don't put it in my salsa.

Every once in a while, I can with a fish taco. You guys are big with putting it. You can make it. If anybody can make it work, it's the Hawaiians. If anybody can. But I kind of like to keep things in their lane. Fruit should stay in its lane. But anyway, hope to see you in Kona on the Big Island. It's one of my favorite places in the world. And thanks for listening to Literally. She's the best. There's a reason why she is America's sweetheart and always will be. Thanks, everybody. Thanks for listening.

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