How CJ Overcame the Hardest Time of His Life 01:40:21

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Yeah, this one should be a good one. We'll get into it, but we got CJ in the hot seat. If you guys saw the title and thumbnail, we're going to base this podcast around the mind of CJ and everything that is, which I'm extremely intrigued to see what we get into because I personally have a lot of questions, and you guys will get a good backstory on everything that is today from the root of where it all started, so it should be entertaining. But yeah.

How you guys doing? Doing pretty well. You don't look too good. Yeah, I'm good. The gallon of water? Is that a sign? Yeah, everyone drinking a gallon of water looks bad, obviously. I like to be hydrated, normally. Well, pretty much always. You feeling good, though? You didn't get into it last night? I feel great.

You didn't answer my question. I was like, I got into it last night and feel good. Yeah, I did. I did get into it last night, though. But yeah. Ben hung out with his girlfriend. I went. I worked out. I worked out last night. Well, you need it. And then I do need it. Bro, it was in the last video. I was like, damn, I got a gut. So then I went and worked out. Deleted the gut. Deleted the gut. It's all done. One workout. I'm good. And then I went to bed. Smart man. Good for you, Ryan. I almost went and joined you, but instead I was like, I'm hungry.

And then one game of darts turned into a blackout. That's what we were trying to get to. We don't need to talk about that. We'll brush over that. We'll brush over that. So last time we were sitting on the podcast, we had Evan on. And things got a little weird. Some of us were sleep deprived. Some of us were hammered. And we ended it with CJ saying to Evan, have fun on your trip.

If you break the dirt bike or if you total the dirt bike out, it's fine. And I think Evan literally took that to heart because I don't know if that was his mission, but it seemed like it. If you guys saw the video, Evan looped out twice. He ended up putting the bike up on this hill and we kind of showcased it. But like it was seriously one...

Quick little slide away from totaling the entire bike out. You couldn't even stand on the hill. And it was a rental bike. Did you guys have insurance? Yeah. I would have pushed it down. The issue is we were with the owner. So we were with the owner of the resort. Was he tripping? Yes. Yes, he was tripping. And you know who was tripping even harder? Evan, dude. Why? Well, he was afraid of heights. He's afraid of heights. And this was, I shit you not, the steepest hill I've ever been on.

And, dude, it was so sketchy. It was so incredibly sketchy. Evan didn't even, like, help up on the hill because he was, like, trying to claw into the dirt because every time he looked down, he'd get so scared. Evan. Fearless Evan, dude. I've seen that guy do things that no human should do on a dirt bike. And he's scared of heights. I mean, I wasn't there, obviously, but just, like, knowing how things get, like, portrayed after, like, on camera...

It looks steep on camera, which is saying how steep it was in real life. Because it always looks so not steep on camera. It was just...

steep enough, or not steep enough, I guess, for rocks to still be able to hold themselves on the hill. But it had to have been, what, 55 degrees? Yeah. Well, Ryan was trying to climb up to us, and we were trying to climb down to the bike and to Evan. And every time you take a step, it would just spit up a bunch of rocks and hit Ryan down below, or whoever was down. It was literally terrifying. Evan was like, dude, this is a rental. I don't want to destroy it. And we were like, dude, don't worry about it.

We'd prefer if you didn't, but this is such good content. It is so entertaining. And yeah, I mean, the video turned out as a banger. You guys will see the other part of it. We went to our friends, Grindhard Plumbing Co. That was fun. Ethan and Edwin. Basically, if you guys aren't familiar with them, they build like the craziest, craziest toys. Like basically anything from...

off-road teslas to baby barbie jeeps like the the little electric ones they'll put like 450 motors in it and so we showed up we showed up to this uh their place in the middle of idaho like in the middle of nowhere like we thought we lived in the middle they are out there yeah seriously out there i don't even think they had like service or wi-fi

Well, they had Wi-Fi, obviously. They upload YouTube videos. But, dude, seriously, middle of nowhere. So we show up, and it's like when people come to our shop and we give them a tour, like, we're just so excited to share, you know, like, our life with people and, like, all these toys that we built and all these things that we're proud of, right? Yeah.

And just, like, share the excitement with people. That was them to us. And they had so many cool builds that we were just, like, literally running around for, like, three hours straight. And they were like, all right, check this out. Hop in it. So then they put zip lines across all these trees, right? Or, like, from one treehouse to this, just basically to this tree above their house. And then they have a few other zip lines across a creek. And we were up on this super steep hill with Evan. And that was scary. But it was way scarier zip lining because I'm like, well...

So what do you do? They take out this sketchy welded metal bar that they had with no grip, and it's raining, and it's dark, and they're like, yep, just zip across to the other side. And put your feet up because you'll hit the tree pretty fast. And you... Man, if you fell... This one was attached to...

Ethan's house. So one anchor point was Ethan's house. And then the other one on the other side of this massive ravine, like at the highest point was probably what? 50 feet, 40. Yeah. It was a big drop. Yeah. If you fell, you'd break your legs for sure. And, um, they just like, yeah, just go across. Dude, hold on. That's when I think I looked at, at,

I was like, dude, you guys are nuts. Yeah. This is crazy. People look at us like, man, the things you guys do is so reckless. But I was like, I feel like I'm that guy watching you guys right now. Like, you need to be careful. Yeah. So we left there with quite a gentle rush. Yeah, it was cool. That was fun. Besides for me and my gut, I don't know.

Well, basically, when we were ziplining, to add to the chaos, Ethan's dog tries to attack you. He doesn't like people ziplining. Yeah, it was super weird because I have a video of it, but I was like, hey, Bjorn, can Ben zipline? Because he's sitting there barking at him, and then Ben goes, and he literally jumps and tries to attack him. It's like this furry little dog, too. It's a bear-looking thing. Yeah, bitch you. Bites me.

Drew blood. I was pretty worried. Yeah. That's when I decided I didn't want to zip line. I was like, I'm good. Did it hurt when he bit you? Yeah. I've never been bitten by like a full-sized dog. I can't imagine it feels good. Dude, because those teeth. Yeah. No, it didn't feel good at all. It's like a gnarly bite mark, too. It's on your guys' thigh. Obviously, I don't know if you can show it on camera, but... I didn't really think much of it until I got home, and my mom was like, you could have rabies. I was like...

Is that bad? She was like, you can't get rid of rabies. Like, there's, like, no treatment, or maybe there is, but it's like, it sticks with you. It's like Lyme's disease. And I was like, oh, shit. I didn't know rabies was an STD, bro. Like, well, it's obviously not. You think Lyme's disease is an STD? No, but, like, I didn't know you couldn't get rid of it. I didn't know it was like a... Any disease you can't get rid of is an STD. Actually? No. Oh. I didn't know the right term. You know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, I know what you're trying to say. But, yeah, I didn't know that. Rabies stick with, like...

Your whole life, huh? No treatment. I don't know. So I was tweaking a little bit for a couple days there. But Edwin was like, oh, no, it's got its shots and everything. You're good. I was like, all right. Were they apologetic when the dog bit? No, he didn't. He's evil. He's like, oh, Bjorn. I mean, granted, he didn't bite you super hard where you needed to go to the hospital or anything. But...

I was more worried about him making Ben fall off. Yeah, because I was in the middle of like – or I was at the beginning of the zip line just before like the cliff or the drop-off. So then I get to the other side, right? And Bjorn, while I was going, he was like, I'm hunting this guy down, right? So he is trucking through the ravine and I get to the tree and I like take my hands off and I'm standing there. Bjorn's just like coming –

barreling up this hill and I'm like shitting my pants. I'm just standing there like ready to honestly, I was ready to just punt this thing. Cause I was like, dude, he's coming in for seconds. He's coming in to finish the job. Right? So he comes up,

Like full speed jumps at me and then just was like back to being like a playful dog. And I was like, oh my God. Then you had to hook up to, you have to like unhook. I was scared, dude. Yeah. Oh, I was terrified. Hook up to the other zip line to zip line back across. Yeah. Do it all over again. I was like, oh God, here we go again. Yeah. And then, and then Mike went and he did the same thing to Mike. So I was like, well, at least it's not personal. It was weird though. He just, it's only zip lining. Just the nicest dog.

I think we do, actually. That's hilarious. We got some footage. All right, CJ, how's it feel over there? Honestly, pretty good. I might move my spot over here. This is kind of nice. I like this side better. I think I'm going to stay here from now on. This spot does actually feel pretty nice. I'm going to be sitting there next time. What do you mean? I'm just kidding. You were like, what? This is the CJ hot seat. We want to make you feel comfortable. Ken, bring in the drinks. Oh, yeah. That's what I was going to say.

Okay, so I was going to say, CJ, I have never truly seen you, whenever you're drinking a beer mosa, you're in just a chipper mood. It's like almost comical. Like if you have a beer mosa in your hand, just beer and OJ, you know? I feel like the king of the world right now. I think I'm just happy because normally if I'm drinking a beer mosa, that means I don't have to do that much important stuff that day.

So it's like a day off. Yeah, there is something nice about that. Starting the day off just like, man, this is a chill day. Yeah. Like, I mean, I always have something I need to do, but like it's something that it's not necessarily super important. Honestly, I wasn't planning on drinking for this. Too bad. I mean, I guess I'll have one, but I'm just saying.

I don't know. I just want to be on my A game. If you don't want to, we don't have to. No, I still will. Okay. What the fuck? Why is this such a big deal? What's going on? We didn't mean for it to be a big deal. You're the guy who loves beer most. I know, but what's this thing? Ken had to leave the other room. Man, bro. CJ isn't even in his hot seat yet. He's already nervous. We haven't even done anything. He's going to come out with a paintball gun or something. I don't know. That would be great. Can you imagine? Yeah. Ken shooting, I would need like...

Eye protection. I would need to get that. Honestly, Tint and Mark over there would have to be ready because who knows where those things are going. Might hold the gun wrong. I don't know.

I actually don't know why he went in the other room. I'm a little curious myself. It's just a big build-up for a beermosa. It was supposed to be like, Ken, bring in the drinks. You love beermosas. I do love beermosas. Thank you, guys. Ken, you were kind of supposed to have them prepped here. What the fuck have you been doing back there? I give Ken just one instruction. Hey, Ken, can you just prep some beermosas for us? That is true, though. I do like beermosas.

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I have fully done things around the home that I think look good and then a bang in the night and I wake up to a shelf collapsing, a painting falling off the wall. Like it, I've seen it all go south. I own a home and I can tell you, I know how much work it can take. Whether it's everyday maintenance and repairs or making dream projects a reality, it can be hard just to know where to start. But now all you need to do is Angie that and find a skilled local pro who will deliver the quality and expertise you need.

Whatever your home project, big or small, indoor or outdoor, you can Angie that and connect with skilled professionals to get the project done well. Right now, one of my wish lists is I want a bike for my condo in Milwaukee and I would love to rig it up on a pulley in the ceiling because I have one of those like lofted ceilings.

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Yo, okay, so you're the last C-boy to be in the hot seat. Is it feeling hot? Yeah.

Pretty hot. Yeah, it feels good. I feel like everybody else has gotten off pretty easy. Yeah, so that's what I was going to say is everyone got off pretty easy, not too grilled, you know, going into it. It's like, well, shit, I'm going to have the other guys just like hitting me with the hard truths, you know? I think, no offense to you guys, maybe this is more of a hit at myself, but I feel like there's way more things to go in on me than anyone else.

You said it, not me. I obviously have way more... I don't know. I feel like I've had a lot more like... I don't know how I should say it. See what I'm saying? I knew there was something to this. You didn't want one. It's going to be like a big ass fucking thing. I'm not dumb. No, I...

I mean, I somewhat agree. Yeah, I don't know. I just feel like I have a lot more weird things about me than actually I have significantly more weird things about me than you guys. All right, let's just... Maybe Mike is the next closest. We'll just start then. We'll just start. Oh, and Ken's kind of weird too. Wow. I think we're all pretty weird. Thank you.

But I think we, as far as like opinions, yours differ from ours a little more. Okay, yeah. Yeah, no, no, no. That's why I said like I'm excited to dive in. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's probably a good way to put it. But let me just start with this. All right, for somebody who has such a strong gut, you know, you –

Once you have an opinion on something, you stick to it. Most of the time. Most of the time, right? And it's one of your strongest qualities, I would say. You can always... I don't really question if you got a bad feeling on it. I usually go with it. I trust your gut too. Why is it that one of the most...

strong-minded people I know, you can't even decide what you're going to eat when we go out to dinner. You switch up on the waitress four times before you finally order. You are so indecisive. About certain things. Where does this...

Fine line drawn in the sand of like, yeah, but you don't overthink on certain things like, you know, spending a bunch of money on this house that you guys might see soon, right? It was like a very easy decision, right? But then going out to dinner, it's like you give this dude an extra 20 minutes just to figure out what he's going to order. There's a lot of choices. Yeah, but what do you think? What do you mean what do I think? Why do you do that?

I want to make the right choice. Because if you ever ordered something and fucking you get it and you're like, God damn it, why didn't I get this? That happens to me all the time. And I think you're right. Maybe it does come down to overthinking then. Yeah, but I do definitely overthink. Because CJ has buyer's remorse more often than anyone I know as well. Yeah, I do. Yeah, but why do you have buyer's remorse on certain things but not on others? Like, where is... Well, most people are just like, no, they just stick to it. But it's like, you're so black or you're so white. I don't know. I guess...

The only time I have buyer's remorse is when I don't like something that I buy. Like, what's something I have buyer's remorse on? I'm pretty smart, I think. Most of the things I like to think I make a lot of good decisions. But you definitely like think a lot. Like, how about, for example, for your wheels?

You looked, you looked, you looked, you looked, you ended up getting the, almost the same wheels. I like looked, but honestly, honestly, I didn't spend that much time looking. It's when I don't think about what I do. That's why I make sure I think and like make the right choice because I didn't think that deeply on my wheels. Honestly, I, I was looking GTR wheels and like,

I'm not trying to brag, but I feel like I'm a pretty busy guy. I have to do things quick. I didn't want to spend... I don't think that's a flex. I didn't want to spend fucking two weeks or a month browsing around the internet like, oh, what wheels should I get? And then you have to see if you can get them in the right size because fitment is almost more... It's as important...

As having a good looking wheel. If you have the coolest looking wheel, but it doesn't like fit flush with the car when you, when it's like lowered, it's not going to look good. Right. So I fucking typed in Nissan GTR. Like I'm looking at all these wheels and I saw this video of those exact wheels on my car. Yep. So then I went to Fitment Industries and I was trying to fucking find them. Well, actually there was a couple of them, but Fitment Industries doesn't carry like super, super, it,

Super expensive wheels So these were like the only ones They actually didn't even carry those ones In the size that I needed But I was able to like Use our Fitment Industry points And talk to Vossen And I had to have them custom made

And the reason why I did those wheels is because they were like, these wheels fit and this is the spec sizes we use with these springs for this fitment. So it just made it easy. And that's why I got those wheels. But yes, I didn't think that much about them. And that's why I immediately had like the remorse is like, fuck, why didn't I get a different color? Because I literally made the decision like this.

That is the hard part about the busier you get, the faster you have to make decisions. So to answer your question, the reason why I overthink things is because when I don't think about them, then I regret them. So there you go. That was actually a very long explanation, but well-worded. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess I had some evidence to back there. But yeah, that's why I overthink things. I try not to overthink things, but I'm always thinking. Do you think there is something to be said about...

people that don't overthink or don't think into things enough that it's just, like, not as effective? Like, where do you think... So, like, obviously... I've thought about this for a long time. If you overthink things, it's, you know, like... It's good and bad. It's good and bad, right? But if you underthink things, then it's good and bad. So I actually have a theory on this because I...

I came up with this theory, you know, five years ago, actually. Maybe six. So it's like, if you don't think about things, it seems like you're really happy in the present and you're just doing whatever. But it always does come around to bite you eventually. But do you think that the people that don't think about things also, when it does come around to bite them, they don't think about it biting them? Where they're just like... I think once the biggest... Once something...

to a certain scale happens, then they think about it. It makes you reflect. No, I think you'll be happier in the present, but long-term, it doesn't help you as much. It's like the kids in high school that just fucking...

We're out, like, smoking weed during, like, and just, like, during school, like, on break and shit. Like, they're fucking happy or they're not doing their homework or they're not doing the things they're supposed to be doing. You're, of course, you're less stressed. You don't give a fuck about grades. They're less stressed. They're having a great time. But it always comes, there's always a price to pay. There is.

And that comes back around later when they fucking can't get into college or, I mean, college doesn't really matter, but they're just fucking dumb. And now they're at a disadvantage in life. That's very true. So, yeah, so if you're thinking a lot, you're not necessarily at peak happiness in the present time, but in the long run.

You're going to be way happier. I think, yeah. Because your thought, you know, because your process is thought out. I think you could get lucky, though, and just, like, not have any repercussions. And it's like gambling, basically. I think it's your environment that you're surrounded by. It's like, well, if you think a lot, then other people in the group don't necessarily have to think a lot about certain things. And they can, you know, delegate their time and get carried. But it's like...

If everyone in the group thought a lot, I don't know if that would help us more. Because it's like anything that's successful has to have a balance, right? And it's like if our group as a whole dynamic is going to be successful, well, it can't all have the same balance.

personality trait or, you know, everyone being the same. Right. So I think it is, it is good to have the balance of you thinking a lot and Micah not thinking at all. No offense, but I'm just using you as I guess I do. I mean,

I do overthink things. Like when we do the merch fucking presentation and we decide what we want to keep, what we don't want to think, like keep, I like look into everything so deep. Like I'm always like, how is this going to look to that person? Like, what does this resonate with them? Like I'm always just, and I do that a lot with like thumbnails. I also do that a lot with like editing. Cause like we might mean something totally different, but then when you watch it, it, if, if you put yourself in the shoes of someone viewing it and they've never even, this is the first video they've ever watched.

It's like, how does this look to them? You know, I think about that too. Yeah. But also I am terrible at thinking about how I act probably a lot of the time, like just normal. I feel like I probably make bad impressions out the gate. I feel like you're hard on yourself for that. Like you, you definitely self reflect a lot about how you not only like portray yourself, but how you act. I do. Yeah. Like all I go home, I'll be like, fuck, like,

Like, I'll be like, well, like come home from eating and like, I'll be asking Alex, like when I said this, like, was that bad? Like, I don't know. I just, that's what I'm saying. Like, you're so sure of certain moves and then you're like in your head thinking about it and it's like, it, what's done is done. Like what is, yeah. Then I, then I just tell myself, fuck it. Can't change it now. But, but yeah, I guess if I have the, like the time I want to make sure it's the right choice.

Yeah. But also you have to make the decision. You can't spend all fucking day thinking about it. I mean, you can each word depends back to a little bit. What you're going to say earlier when you were like, you're thinking about in thumbnails and videos and stuff like that, how other people like see it. I feel like you always, ever since I first met you, you've had like your finger on the pulse of like what,

a large group of people. Like you're very good at like seeing what people want to see and how they want to see it. And like, what's going to happen. Like I've always given you really good or tried to give you good credit for that. And like, yeah, CJ understands, uh,

Like what people want. Yeah. Like extreme foresight. I think. Yeah. Yeah. I, I guess I did. I will agree with that, especially when we were young. Cause like when we started hanging out, let's say like really, really hanging out like eighth, ninth grade, you went to like your small private school and,

You were relatively sheltered and you lived out here. And I had been going to a public school in Fargo where you're just exposed to fucking pretty much everything. There's a lot of stuff going on there. And I just, I don't know, I just had seen a lot of shit, been around a lot of shit at the time, more than you. Dude, when we first started hanging out, I looked at you as like a god. What the hell happened, baby? I don't know.

I grew up. I got to know you. I realized you're just an idiot. I like based my entire young adult life. Like CJ would do something like CJ is the coolest kid I know. Like I got to be more like CJ. I was just advanced over you. You were...

CJ had been up in the streets, you know? Not that, but I don't know. I just fucking... No, I remember one time you came and you picked me up in the boat and you're like, yeah, let's go surfing. And you came and you drove over in your boat and I was like, damn, CJ gets to drive the boat. And you had a girl with you, one of our friends that lived on the lake, and I was like, holy shit, there's a girl on the boat. CJ knows how to talk to a girl. You can hang out with them. It really wasn't too hard to be advanced over you at the time.

No, dude. I was like a child. I was like a child. But yeah, I was like, damn. CJ's the cool guy. I had it going on back then. I mean, I still have it going on now, but I didn't carry that same trajectory of cool guy. I was going to ask, do you...

I don't want to say do you think you peaked, but do you think that you capitalized on... I definitely didn't peak, but... No, no, no, no, no, no. But do you think you capitalized on your high school experience? Do you think you maximized the amount of fun that you could add? Oh, 100%, dude. I had a great time in high school. I was a maniac. If I think of someone who just like...

You did all the things that you could do in high school? I was pretty lucky in high school because I was a cool kid. I was popular. For some reason, all the girls liked me. I'm not trying to toot my own horn, but this is just how it was. Dude, you never closed the yearbook.

I don't talk about high school at all. No, I'm kidding. But then on the vice versa, I fucking had a terrible college experience. Like, had a terrible, like, two, three years after high school. So, I mean, look at that. It's interesting to hear that. You know, you'll get a lot of people that are like, oh, yeah, the cool kids will roll into college and they're just a nobody. But it's not like... Not always. But I'm saying it's not like you were necessarily upset about that either. You weren't in college. Yeah, you weren't like, oh, I don't have any friends. Yeah, I mean, that was like a result of, like,

Something else, which we'll get into later. But no, speaking of like close to yearbook, dude, I never, never fucking look back on high school or anything for that matter. I don't scroll back and look at my pictures. I don't have time hop. I don't like being reminded of things because it's all just pointless. Like I don't care about that shit. It already happened. It's time to move on. You got to look forward. Like a lot of people like fucking like go back and like look at their pictures and like old videos on their phone from like fucking just –

some random thing. Well, I do that for, like, entertainment. Yeah, see, I don't do that at all because I don't, I don't care. Like, I mean, I used to all the time, but, like, I don't want to, like, look at that and be like, oh, like, that was, like, so fun. Like, I wish it was like that then. But, like, it's done. You gotta move on, dude. It doesn't matter. Also, I think a big part of that is being that, so, like, I don't take pictures on my phone.

ever because i know i'm not gonna look at them i don't take like videos and the only time i interesting take the only time i take and so true the only time i take uh pictures or videos is for uh like posting yeah um so yeah but i think that also was maybe like i realized that probably three four years ago and i started doing that um but yeah i just don't give a fuck like

About looking back on the past. Unless you're reflecting to learn something, there's really no point. You ever watch her old videos? No. I don't either. I mean, I really don't either. When someone looks back, or when they were like, summer of 16, we're never going to top that. I hate that energy. That's a terrible mindset. Terrible energy. Exactly. Or when they're like, oh, we're peaking right now. Why would you say that? When people go like, oh man, it's all downhill for me. Why would people peak?

When people refer to, like, we're peaking, it's like you're at the top of the mountain. Now it's like... I don't think anyone actually, like, says that. I remember in high school, like, I played hockey, and, like, a lot of, like, the guys would be like, oh, we're, like, peaking right now. Like, this is the peak. Like, you know... Yeah, it was the peak of the night, the peak of the weekend. Like, you know, like, this is the peak, like, senior year. Like, I don't fucking know. I never... I didn't like that. Can you imagine going back, like, looking at yourself...

back in senior year of high school and being like man yeah enjoy it now because it's all downhill from here like how depressing for most people that'd be very depressing yeah like how young you are yeah in high school and then just like dude i don't even remember i barely remember senior year of high school and like i can't imagine it being like the peak i literally have to like dig deep to like remember some of these things because a lot of things i just

Pretty much erase in my mind. Like, memories like that. Well, I mean, the thing about us is we are, especially when we're trying to produce, like, two videos a week, we don't have time to look back. Like, dude, I have to think, like, what did we even do with the video before the one we posted? I do reflect. We were talking about, do I watch old videos? I always watch the latest video. Like, I'll watch it, like, two, three times. Oh, yeah. Like, maybe four. And, like, I watch it.

Just to like see... Like... How did it turn out? Like... Should I have changed this? Like I reflect and then I move forward. Like when we went reckless golfing... I went and watched the old reckless golfing. Yeah. Just because I was curious. Like what... What do we all do? Like how did it look? Like... Just so I was prepared. But no I don't watch like...

old ones yeah i just wanted to correct that and you watch it on like different screens like you're watching your phone and then you'll watch on the computer and then you watch on the because i want to hear all the audio sounds on every different type of device and like experience of it because if you watch it on tv normally the subwoofer like kind of overrides during like certain songs it'll override the voice but if you watch it on like a phone it'll sound like perfect and then i also listen to it with headphones on but i do that normally like during editing i'll do like

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Thank you, Raycon, for being a sponsor in today's episode. Now back to the podcast. Going back to you overthinking things, that's one of the benefits of overthinking it. If you pay attention to the fine details of it or you're constantly being your biggest critic,

in a way of, of, uh, reflecting versus reflecting on like the good times versus how could I make those times better to better yourself? Yeah. You're like, uh, you have like subconscious quality control. Like you don't think necessarily about doing it. You're just doing it. Yeah. It's like certain things though. Cause the other things I'm like very, I don't like it. I have to care about it obviously. But yeah.

All right, so basically the reason we're sitting here today and everything that's been created in the past six years is due to the effect of one of the worst things that's ever happened to you. Yeah. I think it makes sense to just completely dive into what happened that basically altered

Your life completely and has led us here today, but like the lowest point of your entire life. Like start from the very beginning of like the very first time that you had like a brain injury. Well, fuck dude. I literally...

If people think I was reckless, like, reckless, like, on videos, which I'm really not. I'm probably, like, the most tame just because I try to be careful, like, protect my head. But, like, dude, when I was a little kid, like, I was always just, like, riding dirt bikes. Like, I was probably...

I was pretty crazy. Like I would normally be the one to like hit the jump first or like I was in skateboarding and obviously I played like hockey and football and stuff. I've had so many concussions. It's like terrible. Like I don't even know how many. And I remember like getting them back when I was a kid. I would, I would like get them and like, they weren't like as known or like prominent back then. Like you didn't know like the effects and like, obviously my parents didn't either. And like, just like,

like just going back and playing or like just going on with like my day. Like I remember one time I got like hit in hockey super bad. It was in like eighth grade. I got like, I don't know if I got knocked out. I can't remember. But anyways, uh, it was a school dance like that night after the game, it was like a game. And then there's like school dance. And like, I remember feeling like shit, but I didn't want to miss school dance. And like,

I just like sucked it up. And like, I was like telling my parents, but like, it was such like a, no one thought anything of concussions. Maybe we just didn't know, but at least there where we're like, Oh, just suck it up and go to like the dance. I would never tell someone with a concussion now to go to a fucking dance with disco balls and lights flashing around and loud music. That'd be the worst, dumbest thing you can do. I've had so many. Um, but none of them were like,

I'd say, like, bad. Like, it was, like, it lasted me, like, a day or two, and you just were fine. The one that actually, like, really changed my life, it was senior year, and we were playing... It was, like, the very first, like, exhibition game of, like, the year, and I don't know what... I got, like, a bad pass, and this kid, like, just hit me. I don't know what the fuck he was doing, but he hit me, and, like...

Like, full speed. And I flew back, but there was, like, a gap between me and, like, the wall of the boards. And it was, like, a really hard wall. Like, some boards in hockey rings, like, they have a little bit of give to them. But this one was, like... I don't know why. It was fucking rock hard. And...

I just fucking flew back, and it was, like, the perfect distance where, like, I went and hit, like, the back of my head on the board. And, like, I, like, fucking lawn chaired, I guess people said. Like, it was terrible. It was really nasty. Like, what I remember of it is, like, like, I was laying on the ice, and, like, I literally heard, like, it sounded like a dial-up internet noise, dude. That's, like, the sound I was, like, hearing. And then, like, I couldn't, like, my whole body, like, it was, like, a wave. It was, like, mmm.

Like, it felt like I literally just decreased so much. Like, slowed down. I, like, couldn't, like, move, like, my legs or, like, my... Like, anything for, like, a second or two. I don't know exactly how long. And then, like, this one dude was, like, trying to help me, like, get back up. And I was, like, trying, but I fucking couldn't. I was falling over the damn place. And then, like, eventually I got up and, like, went and, like, got to the bench. Also...

The team we were playing was like Sartell. So if anyone fucking knows who the guy is, Sartell. Honestly, I'm not mad. It ended up working out great for me. But Sartell, 2015. Wait, it would have been 2014. It was in November, and it happened in Detroit Lakes, Minnesota. It was an exhibition game against Davies Hockey.

Some fucking big ass kid hit me And I flew in the Hit my head on the boards Fucked me up Still fucking have problems with it From today To today But I'm like curious who that guy is Anyways Yeah so that happened And like It like really really fucked me up I was like out for I don't know

Like weeks, obviously. But like after like a certain amount of weeks, this still was like at a time when like concussions weren't publicly known that they're really bad. Like it was just on like the cusp, I feel like, of it like kind of becoming very known. Anyways, so like a week or two went by and like, you know how it is. Like everyone's like, oh, you got that concussion, like, you know, whatever, like in...

Didn't take it very seriously. I sucked after I came back from it. But at the time, I was probably one of the better players on the team. So, like, everyone wanted me to come back. And, like, it was... Like, I was, like, being pressured by, like, certain players on the team, like, to come back. And, like, some people would, like, call me a pussy and shit like that. And, like...

I don't know. It was just, like... It was just a lot. And I didn't feel good, though. So, like, my head hurt. Like, when I touch it, like, my skull, it literally fucking would hurt. Like, I couldn't rest my head on the back of, like, a car. Like, if I was riding in a car, I couldn't have my head, like, leaning on the car seat when we were driving because that would fucking hurt. Like, it just hurt. And, like, I was super dizzy. I couldn't, like, see straight. Um...

Just nauseous shit like that. I'm, like, trying to gather my thoughts and, like, put this in a straight line. Because I've literally, like, tried to, like, pretty much erase it. Like, I don't like thinking about it at all. What were you doing...

In those weeks after the concussion, like... Like, I was doing what they were telling me to do. But what were you, like, what... I was just nervous. Like, I wanted to get back because it was, like, I had worked so hard and I was, like, finally, like, the first line, like, starter, like, of the team. And I was, like, going to do good. Like, I wanted to do good. At the time, like, it always seems, like, in high school that that was, like, the most important thing. Like, you know, playing hockey or whatever. Right. After the concussion, though, like...

Besides for it hurting on the back, did you have any other symptoms? Yeah, it constantly hurt. I was, like, dizzy. It just didn't feel right. I did not feel right. That's all I really remember is I really did not feel right. And I would, like, tell the athletic trainer, like, I don't feel right, you know. And he was, like, the only person that was, like, actually on my side, I felt like. Like, he was, like, I don't even remember his name. I think his name was Scott. He's a man. Anyways, he, like...

He like was like, well, then don't you're not ready. Like he wouldn't even bother like running tests He's like i'd come and i'd say like I don't like feel right He'd ask me how I feel today. I'd have to do it every day. I was like, I don't know something's wrong Like I don't feel right. Anyways, like I don't know how long went by like three weeks maybe a month and then uh

It was, like, so bad. Like, I just remember, like, people fucking, like, really pressuring me to, like, come back. If I could go back in time, I would have just literally quit the team right there and just, like, stayed away from everyone. Like, that would have been the smart thing to do, but, you know...

I think that's an interesting take is like in your case, you're very good and you felt pressure on yourself to want to go back and your teammates and coach, I'm sure, were like, I hope he gets back. I don't really want to say the coaches. Okay, well, the teammates. They didn't do that. I'm just saying like let's say you have a dad. And it wasn't all teammates, just like a few kids. And honestly, like I don't hold any grudges against them because like they were just dumb fucking high school kids anyway. It could happen like –

a lot you know you get an injury and you have like a dad who like undermines the injury and he's like i want you to keep playing soon um but yeah so like yeah i just felt like i didn't feel right but after like a certain amount of time uh i was like kind of like getting mad at myself because i was like god like what is wrong like why am i being a pussy because i was i'd like to say i was pretty tough um and uh like i remember like my dad was just like i think you just need to

like get back and like get playing. Cause I think a lot, maybe he was thinking like that. I was just overthinking it. Like I do. And, uh, once I got going, I'd be okay. So anyways, like I had to go through all these tests or whatever, you know, just normal concussion protocol. But I remember like, this is not right. Like when I like ride the bike or run, like it didn't feel right. Anyways, I came back too soon.

Fucking played the rest of the year. And like, I remember like I'd get like hit and I'd get very like rattled easily. Like, like, like I would get dizzy or, but I'd normally bounce back relatively quick. But my head hurt and I always have headaches. And then, so I graduate high school and,

and we're out, you know, doing the things we normally would do like wakeboarding. Ben and I were like really good at wakeboarding. I don't want to say really good, but we were like pretty good. Like we'd do flips. We would get big air. Like we were, we were, we were good. Um, anyways, I was trying to like a new trick and, uh, I don't know.

I don't know. I just crashed. And when you crash wakeboarding, although it is in water, you're going like 21.3 was the speed that we always went at. 21.3 miles an hour. And if you're like fucking 10 feet in the air going that fast and you land and your board catches its edge, it slams you so hard that the water is like fucking cement. It's why no one wakeboards anymore. But fucking did that.

Hit my head, and, like, I was just not right. Back of your head came down. Oh, that... Boom, yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah, and then... Same place you got your other one. Yeah, it was, like, the same spot. Yeah. So then I was like, God. So I...

When that happened, you knew it was bad news. I just thought I had another concussion, and I had been through so many. And also at the time, I was thinking to myself, like, that wasn't as hard as the hit. Like, the way that I thought of concussions was, like, the harder you got hit, the probably worse the concussion would be. But that's not true at all. You could get fucking...

you know, something light and still have one that's worse than the other. You know, they're all different. So, but people that don't know exactly what a concussion, like how to cause a concussion, to my understanding, it's basically, it's your brain rattling in your skull, right? So do you think that,

there's like certain things that keep your brain from moving that and then it just depends you got hit it was just like it was looser in there or no no how does that work the thing is like the more you have i think the easier it is to get them and like especially in my case i never fully recovered from the one that was really bad right due to coming back so early um and

And who knows if I ever would have recovered from that, but I never fully recovered. So I was just like weak and I was already like injured. And then I fucking did something that injured it worse. It was something that was already bad and I hit it again and made it really bad. Yeah. So that, I thought, I didn't think anything of it though at the time. I was like, fuck, like I'll, you know, wait, take it easy for like a week or two. At the time I was like, I don't have any like sports or anything I need to do. I just don't go wakeboarding or anything.

dirt biking, shit like that. Crazy for a little bit, but it just never fucking went away. And it was like two weeks, three weeks, four weeks, two months, three months. Now college is coming up. I got to go and go to my dorm. I feel like shit. Like I felt terrible. Uh, I should mention that the, I had like nausea and I felt like I was moving all the time. And, uh, I had like, uh,

After, like, I had really bad, like, anxiety and, like, I was very depressed. But the depression, I think, came more so on... It got worse the longer it went by. Because, like, at first I just, you know, you had hope. But, like, it kind of seemed like I was, like, losing hope the longer it went and the sadder I would get. And I couldn't do anything. Like, I couldn't work out because I'd get super nauseous to the point where, like, I would literally have to just lay on the floor and, like...

Look at the ceiling And like You just constantly It's like Being on a boat Kind of what it felt like And like I'd And like my eyes Go like this It felt like So when I close I'd still feel Like that I'm like I'm trying to like Were you doing anything For um Like treatment At the time No I mean I didn't really Know there was anything To do About it Um

So, like, I just wasn't drinking. I wasn't, like, working out. Because back then they thought, like, working out was really bad if you had a concussion. Like, you weren't supposed to have blood flow, which I nowadays personally feel the opposite towards. We can get into that later. I'm sorry. This is so all over, but I'm just trying to, like... No, no, no. No, it's good. I'm trying to, like...

Gather my thoughts I guess It was a big part And it was a long part Of your life So to like Sum up All of those events Yeah I've like really Done a good job Of like

fucking erasing it from my memory because it was such a terrible time. But anyways, so I go to college. I couldn't do anything at college because I felt like shit. I felt like I was moving. I felt like I was going to throw up all the time. And I just couldn't do anything. I couldn't watch TV because that would make it worse. I couldn't go on my phone because that would make it worse. So I would do pretty much nothing. I would maybe talk with friends when they weren't doing anything. I'd try to hang with them and talk. And then on top of that...

We were, like, trying this weird thing with my diet where, like, I wouldn't eat gluten because they were thinking, like, well, maybe, like, you have a gluten allergy. So, like, that might help. Or, like, and then you raise sugar and, like, milk. So, I couldn't even eat good food at the time. And that's probably, like, one of, like, the biggest moments in my, like, one of my favorite things to do is fucking eat. Yeah. I just love eating. Basically, I just go through the whole college year.

Feeling like shit, sleeping in this little shitty-ass dorm, not able to do anything. And, like, I didn't make any new friends because I couldn't do anything. I obviously had Ryan, which was great. But I was busy. You were busy. Ryan was very popular in college. Isn't that funny how things work? I was the fucking, like, star in high school, college, fucking shit. There's always a price to pay, man. There's positives and negatives. It was my time to get a negative.

You fucking maybe had not a great high school, but then college was great. You know, it was always a, it was just a balance. Yeah. Every, with everything. Like Ryan was great, dude. Thank God we had Ryan. Cause like I would hang out with him as much as we could. We go eat. Same with Justin. Uh, Justin was great. And there was like a few other guys that were really, uh, nice, but like, I mean, we didn't do anything much other than just maybe a chill, but yeah, it was just super, super depressed, super sad. Um,

Couldn't do anything. I was basically, like... I mean, I just couldn't do anything. Like, I was disabled, literally. Because if I tried to do anything, I would fucking get, like, really disabled. Like, it would, like, stir me up so much that I'd have to, like, literally fucking lay on my floor for, like, two days to, like, get it to settle down. Could you sleep? Not really. Because if I would sleep, it was like... I'd, like, lay on my side and, like...

It just feel like you're falling. And then, like, if you, like... So, like, you try not to, like, move too much because once you, like, somewhat got settled, it would be a little easier. Yeah, I don't know. It was just... It was terrible, man. So, like, during that time, though, I was so sad. And I was planning on going to school to become a chiropractor, but it felt like, to me at the time, every time I got an adjustment, like, it would, like...

make me feel worse, which like they kind of later realized, like, since I felt like I was moving so much, this is probably too technical. But like my muscles in my neck were super stiff to try to like stabilize my head because my brain was like telling me that it was moving. It was like so super stiff. And when you get an adjustment, they would like basically loosen that up, which because normally you wouldn't want that.

Um, and it would make me feel worse. So I'd wanted, I wanted to be a chiropractor. I was going to school to be a chiropractor. Um, and I was like, well, how am I going to be a chiropractor if I literally can't even get an adjustment? And that's when I was like, fuck, like I,

I was kind of thinking, like, I think I might be like this. I'm going to try, but, like, this might be how it's going to be forever. And, like, that's when you really start to, like, you know. Get in a slump. Yeah. And when you lose hope, that's, like, the worst. And that's when I was, like, there's not really any point in me going to school because, like, I don't know. At that point in my life, I kind of thought, like, I'll just be kind of like a –

a person that just tries to get by, maybe. You know? Like, I just work at... Like, I remember I was gonna just get a job at, like, this shoe place in the mall. Um... Because, like, I...

Couldn't really do anything. So that's like, I dropped out of college and I was going to do that. But I remember being so nervous about working there because I'd have to bend down to like pick up the shoes. And like when I'd like bend down like and like move my head, I'd get super dizzy. But I remember I had to get a job. So I was like, fuck, I guess I'll just suck it up. I don't know. I was kind of just thinking I was just just grind it out for as long as I could. But I ended up getting a job at this gym called.

Uh, which was great. Do you remember back then feeling like you couldn't talk about it? Yeah, I really couldn't cause no one understood. No one understood. But then, uh, I actually found, uh, a neurological doctor. Uh, her name is Ayla Smith, Dr. Ayla Smith. She's a place in Fargo now. I'm going to backtrack actually. So I'm in college and I fucking feel like shit. I can't do anything. I'm very depressed. I'm very sad. Um,

I kind of come to the realization I'm not going to be able to be a chiropractor. So I stopped going to school. I'm also thinking at the time, like, I'm also thinking at the time that, like, realistically, like, I'm probably not going to, like, just keep living this way forever because, like, I was just miserable and there's not really any point. So, like, I'm not going to waste time and money at college. During that time, then, my dad, like, found this neurochiropractor. She's like...

More, I'd say, like... He's, like, a neurologist. And they had this thing called functional neurology, which is, like, a program for people like me that had, like, really bad brain trauma. And they would, like... They'd, like, retrain your eyes. And you'd do, like, all these, like, exercises and stuff where you'd just fucking, like, do therapy to try and, like, get you back to doing things. And... Deep breath. No, bro, you're good. Just...

It's really hard to talk about because, like I was saying earlier, I just have really, like, took this part out of, like, my memory. It's just a really hard time. Just one second here. Want a cut? I'm such a crier. So anyways, like, I fucking do these therapy protocol things, exercises, to, like, try and retrain my eyes and brain. And listen to this lady. Like, I'm fucking doing them now.

Like, my life depended on it, which it kind of did, to try and, like, get myself to be able to, like, go back into society and, like, do things. I just wanted to be able to do things, like, just a few things, you know? Like, I really wanted to work out because I loved working out, but I couldn't work out because every time I'd work out, it would make me worse, feel worse. So anyways, like, I followed, like, her instructions, did that for, like, a couple months or so, and I started, like, getting a little better. And it was, like, so nice for me because it gave me, like, some hope.

Um, and she was like, I want you to like to try and start like exercising again, but we have to like do it slow. So like I would ride this stationary bike and like, I remember like I'd start out, like I literally could only ride on it for like fucking one minute because then it would like make me worse. Um, so like I would ride on it for a minute and then I'd have to take a couple of days off. And then like, I basically just slowly built to back up.

And then pretty soon I was able to like ride on it for 25 minutes after a really long time of slowly building your blocks up, you know, to get better. It's like anything recovering from, you know, any kind of injury. And yeah, then I was able to start lifting again.

And at that time I had just started working at a gym. It was in Fargo courts plus like that place was great. Like everyone who worked there was so nice to me. The employees were awesome. One of my best friends, Logan cassette, he worked with me there. Um, and, uh, yeah, I know. I just kind of like, I started getting better and like able to do stuff again. I still didn't feel great, but, uh, I was right around the time, like at that time in life,

I had, it was kind of nice for me because I think it really added a lot of like just clarity, I guess, as to like what's important in life. So like I was just doing the things that I really wanted to do and like cutting out any like the shit that I didn't care for. So I really wanted to be a YouTuber because I always watched YouTube growing up. And I just thought it was crazy that like people are just doing whatever they wanted to do and getting paid for it.

Um, and it seemed like they were getting paid like pretty well. I didn't really even care much about that. I think I just like the idea of like making a video and like having it. And, uh, I just thought it'd be cool. So, uh, being at that time, like I was just doing the things like I didn't care. I was basically living like very in the present. I was just like, fuck it. Like I'll just spend all my money and buy this camera and just start trying to do it. Um,

So I did that got the camera obviously and fucking mike had just mike would always make like little edits. Uh So like he had just made an edit and I remember he posted on facebook and I was like yo like I was thinking about making a youtube channel Would you want to post that on there and then like we can both own it together? It'll just be our youtube channel. We'll just post videos on there and he was like, yeah and uh

I was like, all right, well, I'll come up with a name and make it and whatnot. And then you can upload on it. So like the very first video was technically like a Facebook, like summer recap that you made. And we put it on our YouTube channel. Um,

And then obviously then I started trying to figure out how to use the camera and just practicing with it. I like bring it around whenever we were hanging out and doing anything. I just film it. And I got familiar with it and kind of learned how to use it. Now I'd go on, go home and I'd like dink with the footage and like learn how to chop it up and stuff.

Shout out to my friend Jason Gilberth. He taught me the basics on this is how you cut, this is how you drag in. But the rest I did. But yeah, shout out to Jason. So I was just working a part-time job, basically. And I would go home. You guys were all in school. And I would mess with the footage and learn how to edit, basically. I taught myself how to edit. It was really tough at the time because I couldn't stare at a computer really long.

Because it would make me like if after a certain amount of time I'd get really dizzy It kind of like fucked me up. So it made editing really hard I'd like edit for like an hour and i'd have to take like an hour break or two I'd maybe get like another hour in. Um Yeah, so I learned how to edit

basically that's like the start of c boys tv um was that the first thing that you could do without having to physically do something you almost used us as like the outlet yeah like it was like a way that i got integrated back into like the activities you guys were doing because you guys uh i was still i was just kind of reintegrating back into like activities back in my life obviously um

But yeah, the idea was like the crazier stuff I'll just film and like kind of be a part of it. It was nice because like the thing that like YouTube and like the idea of like trying to make this work, it gave me such like a, it like really saved me in the fact that like it gave me something to do.

And something like I was excited about, you know, like I like really wanted to do it because at a time I didn't have much I could look forward to to even, you know, it gave me like a purpose, I should say. I think that's like the biggest thing is just having like a purpose, a reason to like, you know, get up and like try to do something or whatever. And so like that was what YouTube was for to me. And then obviously we just slowly started kind of blowing up and, uh,

I think it was like three videos. So technically it was me and Micah. It was like our channel initially out the gate, but then after like the video started like blowing up and it was like very apparent that obviously this is a group thing. Cause it's like, you know, everyone's involved, uh, that it would be our channel. And that's when like, obviously Ken, we had just started making money. So Ken made the LLC with all of our names on it. And, uh, yeah. Do you, so back to like the concussion, um,

side of it where would you say you are now i'm much better than where i was like i'm like way better uh obviously but like the reason why i oftentimes don't go like on these crazy dirt biking trips and stuff is because it is easier for me to get like rattled like and get

like a concussion again. And I just don't really, it's not enjoyable for me. If it's something that obviously it's like high risk, I'd rather, I don't think it's like any point. Yeah. I'd rather not risk it. Not worth it. What's the point in jeopardizing like your lively? Yeah. Not even just like,

An injury. Yeah, it's not just an injury. It's not as enjoyable for me either when I'm going because I'm like, fuck, I'm trying to be careful. But do you live your life in fear that, you know, like the smallest thing could put you back into that state? I would, I mean, I wouldn't say that, but I just, I'm just cautious, I guess. And, like, the real reason is, like, also if I went, like, since I wouldn't be doing, like, the fucking, let's say, like,

crazier things, I would end up just filming it and it's like

If I'm not really contributing, then I'll just stay back and I can do more here. That's why, like, I don't go to, like, the crazy snowmobile trips and stuff like that either. Yeah. I mean, that makes sense. But, yeah, it is easier for me to get a concussion than, I mean, obviously other people. I remember one time we had just filmed the, like, demo derby. Right. And we were, like, driving around the field. Our field is, like, a bumpy mess. And you had hopped in the car and, like, we're all as –

we realized the like seriousness of like concussions in general, but also my situation. Yeah. We were like, okay, we got to be conscientious of like, you know, like I wouldn't get in a car with you and like go bomb through a ditch unexpectedly because I'm like, okay, if you're going to like, you know, there there's risk, there's risk with everybody. But like you say, your risk is higher. But I remember one time, uh,

We were driving in the car, and I was literally driving you over to go film something. And we hit this clump of dirt that if we'd been going 20 miles an hour, we probably skipped right over it. But we were going slow, and literally just boom. And I remember, dude, like... I was sitting weird, and I remember my head hit the windshield.

And, yeah, then obviously it shook me up. Yeah, it shook you up. I remember my blood ran cold, and I didn't know what to do. That stuff happens all the time with me. I mean, fucking, I fell on the pit bike. Even if I don't hit my head, it'll sometimes kind of stir me up for a day or two. I don't know what it is. I really don't. I've tried talking with my...

the lady that, like, basically fixed me about it, and she doesn't really know either. She just says, you know, I don't know if it's, like, fucking PTSD or what the fuck it is, but it, like, can, like, make me feel out of it for a little bit. Like, when I crashed a smart car into the log, even though I didn't hit my head, it was still, like, such a joke that, like, it, like, fucked me up for, like, I don't know, like, a week. I wasn't, like, fucked up, like,

how I was though. Like, it's just like, I just feel a little out of it, but I go and like work out and, uh, like I just have like a routine. If like, if that happens, say I was walking, like I fucking one time I was walking and I slipped on the ice. I landed on my back, didn't hit my head, but it still like gives me the, the, I don't know, like I get dizzy or whatever that, that feeling. Um, I just, it's happened so many times. I'm really good at like

fixing it now like i just i have like a routine where i'll go and like work out and like i find that like running and like getting blood flow and oxygen that like really helps me and then just getting back into like doing things but not like pushing it too far um but yeah nowadays it's completely it's not even close to like that was like one situation that like really fucked me up

For people that are listening that have really bad concussion symptoms, like what do you think helped you the most? So what I had was post-concussion syndrome. So that's something where like after I think like two weeks or a month, you have like lasting effects. Yeah.

Are you asking about that or are you asking about someone who just got a concussion? What do you think helped you the most? Helped you recover the most? I mean, if it was somebody who just got a concussion in a football game, I would tell them just to take it easy or do whatever you're supposed to do. But if you're someone like me who's had lasting effects for a month now, I would say that you need to slowly integrate yourself back into doing the things you were doing that...

aren't gonna risk you hitting your head again. So like working out, for instance, like working out is literally the biggest thing for me. Um, but like that's super good for you because it brings oxygen in your blood to your brain. Um, that's really good. It just helps me, I guess. I don't know. That's what helps me working out. And, uh,

And doing like my exercises where I'd follow like the dots, I guess. Retraining your brain or your eyes. Basically, you just got to slowly integrate yourself back into society and do things that aren't harmful. There's like so much fucking like substance to this. Like there's so many things I need to like that is like involved in this that it's hard for me to explain on a podcast without it being 10 hours long. I'm like not trying to like...

go too in depth to bore people but also like cover things that are important so sorry i think it's a very crucial story that like needs to be told and concussions aren't to be fucked with no obviously you're a perfect example of that but it's like you know people on the internet they just see like the the bright side of of everything we do and like

is, is knowing like the extreme lows of like the brick by brick, step by step to like get out of that. And it is like, I'm sure if you reflect back on it or like could go back, like you, you might think like you're never going to recover. Right. Yeah. And plenty of people probably feel that way about, you know, so many different situations in their life. If it's not a concussion, it might be, uh,

Loss of a loved one or your parents' divorce or something like, you know, so many things that could affect, you know, kids at different ages, like, in an extreme, extreme way. But it's, like, finding that thing, like, you finding your passion and purpose. You need to just get back to integrating into life, man. You got to get back to living. Yeah, man. I mean, it's a crazy story. Honestly, like, I didn't even know, like, the full effect of it really until...

You know, we started talking about it, but as you said, like, you just... You locked out that period of your life. It was terrible. I don't like thinking about it at all. Which is tough. Like, so I'll say...

We are me as a person. I didn't know you very well at that point yet. You know, we were at even like early on. This is right before we were starting the YouTube channel. We're all hanging out. But at that point, you were just, you know, another buddy that came to hang around. And so like I felt now hearing all this, I feel really bad about.

not understanding that better. Just because, let's say, I should say fast forward a little bit. We had started the YouTube channel. We were like, let's make videos. Let's do this. It was after we got a little bit of traction and you had taken like three months off and I'm over here like,

What the fuck? What is he doing? I thought he wanted to do this YouTube thing. And I should have been asking. I knew it was from your concussion is why you had to step back for a little while. But instead of asking, yeah, like what the problem is, you know, I was just kind of upset. So anyway, just, you know, reaching out and and I think the hardest part when we would be like, well, how do you feel?

And you're like, like shit, you couldn't really explain it. It's hard. You know, you could be like, I'm dizzy. I don't know what to tell you. And you'd be like, what, why? Also like, I, I don't really like, uh, bringing like bad energy.

You know, like when you like talk about something not positive, I just don't really like bringing that to the room. Yeah. Which ended up creating like a lack of communication. Right. I was like, and also I just don't think you guys understood, which no one really understood. I didn't. My parents didn't really like, you know, very few people, which made it very hard to like talk to people about and just lonely, honestly. Yeah. During those like college years, did you kind of use YouTube as like an escape? Yeah.

like the limited time. Like I remember he had the cracked iPad, but like, you were like, dude, this TJ hunt guy, he's making filming with cars. Like look at the WRX he had. Cause you had a WRX. Like you were on DJ hunt way before anyone else among many Danny Duncan too. So what did make you want to become a YouTuber? Uh,

And where did that stem from? Because you wanted it before that was even a thing. I mean, I just, I thought it was really cool. I thought that they got to just do whatever they want, which obviously I've learned that it's not really like that. Um, but, but you also made a lot of money and I, I wasn't necessarily like infatuated with like, Oh, I need to make a bunch of money. I didn't necessarily care like about being super rich. I just liked, uh,

Like, cars. And I wanted, like... I had a pretty simple taste. Like, I never expected to, like, own a GT-R or, like, anything like that until, like, later years. But, like, I just had, like, a WRX and I fucking loved that car and I wanted to put parts on it and, like, make it cooler. But, like, at the time, obviously, buying a fucking set of replica wheels that were $800 was, like, unachievable. You know? I'd fucking...

No money And I was just making Fucking ten bucks an hour Working the little bit I did And uh

Yeah, so I think that's why. I thought it was cool that these guys were making... Initially, why I bought the camera, actually, was for making a car channel. Because I thought I would see TJ Hunt and Evan Shanks. They'd make the YouTube videos, and they'd obviously make money off of it. Then they'd buy more car parts with it. And then they would film putting the car parts on their car and then make more money. So I was like, that's a great system. And I also thought it was cool. Like, I like talking cars. I was super into, like, tuner cars. I still am, but...

I feel like I've just maybe moved on to other things in life. But yeah, I fucking loved Subarus and WRX STIs and Evos. So speaking of Subarus...

Remember that time that you went to Las Vegas, Nevada to buy that board? Dude, that thing was so sick on Instagram, but I think the guy who got it or the guy that sold it to the guy that got it fucked it up. So it was like this show car thing.

We'll put up on the screen STI on bag. Like everything was done to it. Um, and someone fucked it up in the process and then they were trying to sell it, but the seller didn't like disclose that it was fucked up. Like he was just like, yeah, it's perfect. Like perfect condition. Like,

I mean, I didn't really ask that many questions because I was just looking at it like, no one's going to fucking ruin a car like this, you know? Yeah. So I was like, I've seen it all over. Obviously, it's perfect. Got there, thing was a pile of shit. I mean, that's basically it. And then I took the YouTube video down because I felt like...

I didn't do a good job of showing it. But that video was blowing up. It was blowing up. For the time, yeah. Which was kind of crazy looking back that we took it down because it was getting tons of views. But we're like, this is not the way we want to get our views or portray ourselves. Yeah, I feel like it made us look bad because...

because I didn't do a good job of telling the story of what happened. I think I had G-Rag holding the fucking camera. Like, I should have brought one of you guys. Well, you were going to surprise me. I was going to surprise you guys. Early Seaboy's days, and CJ flew out to Vegas with G-Rag and his dad to buy this car and then surprise us with it. Before, we were, like, surprising each other with, like, different things. Because I had totaled my blue Subaru WRX hitting two deer.

Oh, yeah. So that's why I was getting that. But then I ended up getting the Evo. To this day, that's the only YouTube video we've taken down. And I'd say it's not even really a bad reason. Yeah. I mean, it just...

I watch it now, and if I did watch it, I would be like, ugh. Yeah. That's cringe. I don't know. So, throughout the years, you know, we've been doing this for a while now. In your opinion, what would you say, like, our biggest hurdle has been? All of us getting on, like, the same page and moving together as one. I think, like, it was so tough at the beginning because...

Um, I mean you guys weren't like super into YouTube like me like I was fucking just obsessed with it and like I felt like I was trying to learn and stuff and you guys I don't know if you guys quite understood what it could be like something that was really nice about uh, you know my Really bad concussion and like kind of being a hermit and doing nothing was it gave me a lot of time to sit by myself and like think and

You know? Because I didn't have anything else to really do. So I'd think a lot. And I would, like, Google stuff. And I don't know. I just... I, in a way, was, like, just learning. Like, I would sit on the computer and, like, I'd Google stuff. I would fucking...

Like, watch YouTube. I don't know. I just learned about a lot of stuff. Like, that's why... That's how I knew about, like, Bitcoin and shit way before. Just because, like, I was just fucking... Yeah. Do you see anything ever coming in competing with YouTube? Not right now, no. But, I mean, it'd be really hard to, honestly. Like, I mean, MrBeast says it all the time, too. He's like... I mean, YouTube right now is just obviously the goat. Content king. Getting bigger and bigger. Yeah, it's kind of like... It's just a form of entertainment, you know? Yeah.

Yeah. It's like a way to give yourself a TV show. If you like that, that was really the big thing too. I always wanted to be on TV. Like I was super, uh, like as a kid growing up, like Rob Dyrdek was like my idol and like Bam Margera, Viva La Bama. Just watch that. Um, like shit like that. And I just thought they were so cool. Who's your favorite now? Like who's my idol? Yeah. Like who do you look up to? Not necessarily idol, but like, who do you look at as like, man, they're doing a really good job and I respect them for this reason. Like,

There's a lot of people that I look up to. I mean, Logan Paul, obviously. Fucking Chase Hero. Fuck, dude. There's so many. Mr. Beast. I'm trying to think of people that aren't YouTubers. Obviously, Rob Dyrdek. He's like a very big entrepreneur. God, I have a lot of people. Like Heavy D.

It'll be cool to meet him. What do you like about him? Heavy D? Yeah, for like... Yeah, yeah, yeah. For Joe Rogan, obviously. Heavy D, the reason why I like Heavy D is because he's just a man, dude. Like, he gets down... Like, you know, he's just... He's to the point. Like, he's no bullshit. You can just tell he's just a good guy. And he's a hard worker. And he gets shit done. Yeah, he does. And he's also smart. Like, he's just fucking well-rounded. Dynamic. Yeah. You know? And same with Joe Rogan. Like...

Joe Rogan can talk to anybody. Like you look at like his podcast, he'll have like a Navy seal on. And then the next one he has a person who escaped from North Korea and he asked like the best questions. And I think he just learns like they're just smart, you know? And like, they're like the definition of a real man. Like I think like he hunts and not that hunting makes you a man, but like just does manly stuff.

Takes care of his family. Very respectable. Yeah. Yeah. Like you just, they just do the right thing. I mean, we talk about this all the time, but you're so addicted to just constant stimulus. I know, dude. Like when you were talking about like trying to stay like this, like I'm such a sicko. Like I fucking love just like the, the, the, like I fucking love the views. I love it when like videos getting views. I love seeing the money keep coming in. I love like,

constant like change like i like like upgrades i love that would you consider yourself more of like a materialistic upgrade like you like you like working towards buying that next thing no one wants to be like oh yeah i'm materialistic like i care about money but do you

like making money and like constantly growing and becoming bigger and better so you can buy different things and grow your lifestyle or are you like no no i i just want to make like better videos or have the videos receive more or do you think they like go hand in hand i think it goes hand in hand honestly like i i wouldn't want to make like shitty videos and then make

more money off of them. I'd rather make good videos than also... Yeah, because we can. A lot of people do. I don't know. Yeah, I guess I just like... I like feeling like my life is getting better. I like making... I like just building, I guess. That's probably the best thing, the best way to put it. Building, growing. Yeah.

Like, yeah, I don't know. It's like modifying your car. Like it sucks when it's stock. So you fucking buy parts and put it on. You heard it here. Yeah. That's a, that's a great way to put it. Yeah. It's a great way to put it. Nobody wants a stock life. I like being able to do what I want. I realized six years ago that money is power and money is freedom. Maybe not. I shouldn't. Money is power, but more so that money is freedom. Yeah. Um, but yeah,

Money can also kind of like fucking lock you down. You know how they say like more money, more problems? Yeah. I don't think that's true. Really? I think higher lifestyle, more problems. True. Because you can have a shitload of money in the bank. You got a million bucks sitting in the bank, but you're still living a pretty chill lifestyle. Yeah. Right? It's just how you struggle. You're chilling. Right? But you got...

You got $100,000 in the bank, but you got a million dollar house. You got a $100,000 car. You got all these payments. You got people, you got employees. Yeah. Uh, depending on you, that's like the, you're making more money, but you got more problems. You got more headaches. So it's like if your lifestyle doesn't grow with your income, then you're,

yeah do you have more problems i think it's more stuff more problems like the more you buy like you get a boat you gotta take the boat in you gotta take it out you gotta bring it to get service yeah everything the more stuff it takes up your time then you have less free time yeah less mental space i think elon musk was talking about got rid of all the shit sold everything because like it takes up too much of my time and then he's in space like six months later yeah that is true like yeah the more stuff you have the more you have to maintenance

And Lord knows we don't like maintenancing. There's something easy about like you look at like the start, like we didn't have any money or anything, but it was just fun. Like I was, I was just happy to be like doing something, I guess. I think just doing what you love is probably the biggest part. Like if I have to like do things for the videos that I don't want to do, then it would suck. What's your favorite, like in all the roles that you have, what's your favorite role?

What state actually state your roles? Like, what do you do in the company? And then, and then answer it. I'd say like, I come up with a lot of content ideas, uh, structuring of like maybe what bits go into videos. Cause obviously we have multiple different segments in a video. So I like what flows in the best, uh,

um obviously like the camera guy a lot of times and then i'd say also like almost director behind the cameras at times like just like hey like i missed you saying this like or like if you say this like this will be really funny you know yep um obviously editor and then like thumbnails stuff like that i guess title and title like i do like a lot of the up

A lot, mostly like a lot of the YouTube backend stuff I do, I guess maybe over, like I, I see, I have input like everyone else in the moves that we make as company. Right. What's your favorite? Of my roles? Yeah.

I guess my favorite thing about what we do, it doesn't matter what we're doing that day. This doesn't even answer your question, but I love it when everyone's just having fun. I love it when we're like, we can literally be doing nothing, but when we're just all laughing and it's just vibing, that's

Like that's the best. Cause that's when like the best content comes and also it's just the easiest and it's just fun. I love that. Yeah. I mean, I think we all do. It is tough, you know, cause it's like not every single thing we do is super easy to just get into that like flow state. I'd say like for me, um, filming a video is like kind of,

It seems like it maybe is a little bit more work for me than some people in the group. Just because I'm running around with a camera. I'm trying to get certain shots. And I'm also trying to be like, hold on, don't do this yet. Because I need to do this first. I don't know. I agree too. And I don't even do as much as you do. But yeah, it's a lot of work. I believe you're a creator at heart. Yeah. You love to create.

like a piece of content. Yeah, I'd agree with that. Like through and through, you love like coming up with a vision. Like even say, you know, Micah comes up with the idea, but you're like, yes, this is how we can make that. Execute it. Yeah, how to execute it and how to make it the best. Because like,

You could come up with a great idea. There's tons of people that have filmed way cooler things than us, but they have an iPhone like this and nobody talks and we explain what's going on and it's not good. And that's what you're really good at. I guess I'm good at like figuring out how to put it into a video and make it work. Oftentimes someone will come to me and be like, Hey, this is a really good idea. And it is a good idea, but I'm like, that just wouldn't work for a YouTube video. Cause I don't know how I'd film that. Like how would I capture it and how would I make it make sense? Exactly. You know? Um,

So that's, like, something other people don't think about. But, yeah, going back to your question, like, do I like, like, making money so I can buy, like, materialistic things? I think I just like building. Like, building my life. Yeah. Like, building fucking... Like, just growing, you know? Creating, I guess. I think all of us do, and that's why we all get along pretty well. Yeah, we do. It's not always for the same reason, you know? Like, you like building. You like making good videos. But then...

You also better videos, more views, more money. You can buy a nice house where Micah is like, I don't really give a fuck about that, but he has a completely different agenda, but it's all pretty much the same. Deep down, we all do love to create. Yeah, exactly. When something is unfolding in front of us, basically in front of the camera, it's like we all have hard-ons, you know? Not actually. But yeah, it's just like, yes. Mike, I don't want to get into this again. I know, it's like, Jesus Christ. I like making people laugh.

Or, like, making people happy. I don't know. Yeah. Like, I just, I'm just, like, very lucky, I'd say, that, I mean, all of us are, that people, like, watch our videos. Like, super grateful for that because there's so many people out there making videos that aren't getting any views. Grateful for, like, the positive comments, too. Like, we read them, and when we hear them, we're like, sweet. You like what we're doing. We like what we're doing, too. We're going to keep doing it. Just happy that I get to do this every day.

And, yeah, I bet, like, I worked for it. And that's my whole thing. I tell other people, it's like, you can do it too. Yeah. You just got to do it, man. A lot of people sit around and talk about it. I often think back to, like, how many videos we've created, like 300 videos. I don't even remember, probably 90% of them. But, like, putting in the work back then just seemed like –

it just seemed like so mindless of like, Oh, this is just like what we got to do. And now it's, now it's luckily paying off and it's really cool to see like all those old videos still pulling really, really good views. And, um, you know, looking at like the creator studio and be like, Holy shit. Like a video two and a half years ago pulled like a hundred thousand views this week. And it's like, man, I'm glad that I put the work in back then. Yeah. I think I just love achievement.

I've been really stuck on that question you did a while ago. I just love achieving. That's really what it is. I don't necessarily love like I fucking hate editing videos. I hate it. It's like the worst time of my week is sitting there and working on a video for 12 to 14 hours editing it. But nothing feels better than when it's done, uploaded. People are watching it, liking it. And I go out to eat and get a beer. Like I feel like I did good.

That's what I like doing. I like achieving. And the cool thing is with what we're doing, you get a lot more achievements and they're a lot, they're all different. You know, like there's a lot of achievements that we can reach towards versus at a job, the same job, same day. Yeah. How good did it feel to hit a million subscribers? Oh, really good, dude. I mean, fuck. Like I like had, I don't know. It's like you,

you want it so bad but you don't know like if it's really gonna happen you know would you say that was something that you worked for like since the beginning was that your goal yeah i mean i've obviously it was like a fucking 100 subscribers it was just fucking getting views at first obviously and then you know your goals the posts keep changing but uh yeah i mean that felt amazing dude i was so happy so happy just because it's like felt so official you know it felt like

I mean, obviously we were doing it no matter whether you got the subscribers or not, you're doing it. But like, it just felt like it sealed the deal kind of, I guess. I don't know. It's a lot easier to tell people. Yeah. I guess, yeah. It feels good. Like 1.2 million versus 864,000. I like like maybe just being respected by people. You're like a million stamped it? I don't know. Just like earn me more respect.

in the community and like going places and yeah yeah i agree you know i agree completely you know it's bullshit though youtube still hasn't sent us our 1 million yeah yeah i know can you imagine that you're asking like yeah how many subscribers you have oh we're like 1.3 now and then they're just like oh but do you have your plaque you think people ask no but if they did yeah and you're like no and they're like not

Not that official. Yeah, it's kind of bullshit. But also, like, it's so weird because, like, when you're... Like, I remember when we got our 100,000 plaque, I thought it was so... I mean, it meant so much to me. But, like, the plaque really doesn't mean anything to me. It would be sick to get one on this channel. I would like to have it, though. Can we subscribe? No, I mean, in the grand scheme of things, it's just a plaque. Exactly. It's a thing on the wall that we walk by and you don't even look at it. What really matters is just the people that are subscribing and...

The content, I guess. I don't know. Video. Yeah. Wow. People like it. Yeah, man.

There you have it. CJ the Creator. That was a hell of an episode. Sorry if it was all over the place, dude. I don't know. It was just so much to talk about. I felt like it was pretty linear. It started from the beginning and ended here. I felt like fucking searching through so much shit trying to figure out what to include. I was watching, listening to you tell the story, and I could tell that you're thinking about

Not something completely different. You were like thinking about the rest of your story as you were telling your story. Yeah, I didn't want to. I would like jump ahead. But it's all good. It's all good. That was fun, dude. It was nice just sitting down and doing it. Yeah. I've been dreading this podcast because I knew it was going to come. I've been dreading it since we started making it because I knew I'd have to tell this story. And I just like didn't really want to tell it. You did fantastic. And I think a lot of people can take a lot of good points out of

The journey of your life and ours, but yours. Whether you are going through a hard time with a fucking concussion or if you broke your fucking leg and you're trying to get back to walking or something set you back in life, you just got to work towards getting back to where you want to be. And, yeah, just try not to get too down on yourself and find a purpose, you know? Like something Heavy D once said. Here's another reason why I like Heavy D. He said that...

You know, he was talking about all the people in the world that like depression is so like prominent right now, like prevalent all over the place. Like so many people are depressed. Well, he was talking like, honestly, like I think if people just like, I don't know exactly how he said, but he said if, if people just did more, they wouldn't be, uh, they, I think less people would be depressed. And that's so true. Cause if you have a purpose and a reason to get up and, and like go,

You fucking can do it. Like, I don't even have time to be depressed, dude. I fucking am worried about, I'm not worried, but I am worried, but I'm always thinking about what I got to do next. I'm always on to the next.

You know, like I'm always just building. Yeah. If you don't have time to sit there and think about your life or your issues, you know, you got to work on different things. Yeah, sit there and dwell on them, you know. So, yeah. Absolutely. It's tough to convince people that, you know. Right. And, I mean, obviously I'm not a fucking therapist or a mental health expert, but I think that it would help for, you know. I think working out is a big thing. That's why I love it so much. It is interesting, though, but.

Because you've been in a position where you actually can say something. Yeah. Yeah. I can. Yeah, you are right on that. But I don't know. Everyone's different. Yeah. I don't really try to give advice unless people ask for it. So many people fucking always try to give me advice back in the day, like with YouTube. Fucking, you know, I just like, yeah, maybe. So, yeah, I don't. If someone's like trying to do something like I don't go and tell them what to do.

Unless they ask me. Yeah, man. Dude, this was probably one of my favorite episodes. I think we uncovered a lot. I found it interesting because as you stated, like you don't, you don't talk about that stage of your life ever. You know, none of us bring it up ever because it was such a low point. So it was, you know, it gave us some clarity and it gave the listener a lot of, a lot of clarity as to like, you know, the things that built you up.

Makes it a little more under... You a little bit more understandable. Yeah, well, I'm glad. Glad we got it off. I could keep going. I got so much shit. We'll hold it for another podcast. For those of you that are still watching, we appreciate you. If you have not subscribed, subscribe. We're so close to 100K. Let's just get to 100K. Yeah, no kidding. And, yeah, I mean, we've been talking amongst the group, like... Where we want to take this podcast. Yeah, so, like, obviously...

We can sit down and talk just amongst the group, but it's like how many times can you do that where it's telling new stories and kind of getting into different things? Obviously, we have so many stories, but we want to continue to maybe bring on guests.

So it's like looking at, it's looking at like, well, we're kind of in the middle of nowhere. How do we get guests on the podcast without like- We can start doing that. We can. I think we should. Yeah. Yeah. And also we're going to Florida for Cletus' Leigh Mullets race in November. I'm going to, we're going to bring down all the podcast equipment. And obviously I bet you Haley will hop on for sure. Yeah.

But maybe we'll be able to get like Cletus or some of those guys. If we could get them on, that'd be amazing. Obviously, they're really big guys and I understand if they don't want to. But go spam their shit. Be like, yo, you guys need to hop on the Life Wide Open podcast. Or just say C-Boys TV's podcast. It'd be sick to get Haley Deegan, Whistling Diesel, Heavy D. Wow.

Wesleyan Champlin. Right. I love Wesleyan. That guy's the best. Go spam fucking all those guys. Say, go on C-Boys TV's podcast because then they'll start noticing it in the comments and they keep seeing prevalent ones. I'll be like, huh, maybe I will then. Yeah. But yeah, it'll be cool meeting all those guys. Yeah.

Shout out Haley. Haley's the one that invited us to be the co-driver. We haven't decided who's going to be the co-driver yet. We've got to figure that out. We've got to do a little race between all of us and whoever wins gets to race the second or the first leg with Haley which that will be fun. We're also going to SEMA

Yes. We're all doing that. That's going to be fun. We're going with Mark and Tim. It's like in a couple weeks. Beginning of November. Yeah. Mark was just telling us that we got a VIP booth at some club. Steve Aoki? Hold up. Are you paying for it, Mark? I already got two weeks. Let's go. Amazing. On that note. Yeah, on that note, Ryan and I are going to a Vikings game. Hell yeah. See ya. Thanks, guys.

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