Micah Tells Story of Dad Passing Away, Growing Up On the Farm and Not Caring About Money 01:04:36

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Are you recording right now? I think I follow him on Instagram. Let's start over. Was that good? Are we just running it? No. No, no, no. That was not the intro. Let's just start right now. Now that Ryan's saying it, I'm like, no. No, that is not the intro. We're starting over. I want a clean cut. Now you got skin in the game and the way it gets filmed. We're just like, Ryan, why don't you intro it for us since you'll be editing it. Intro's in, Ryan. All right. I think you can do that. Do it.

Do it. You're going to love it, I promise. Do it. All right, guys. Welcome back to the Wide Open Podcast with C-Boys TV. You didn't even get the name right. Life Wide Open Podcast. Oh, I thought you said Wide Open. He did. No, the Life Wide Open Podcast. I heard Wide Open Podcast, too. I think I might have stuttered on life. Play it back, Jamie.

Yeah. Idiot! Damn, dude. Jamie knows all. Well, everyone that has ears heard that you said it wrong, but Ryan, you've come a long ways from the first podcast and now you're introing. I'm introing. I'm still f***ing it up. Man, chase your dreams, kids. Yeah, welcome back, you guys. Even if your friends make you do it. It's a rainy Saturday today.

We were supposed to go golfing, actually. But real golfing. Yeah, not reckless golfing, as you guys just saw in our latest video. It was going to turn into reckless golfing. We already know that. Yeah, but to an extent. It wasn't going to be nearly as reckless as the video, though. Because we were showing up to play. I don't know, man. I think it might have. When we were filming the video...

We showed up and we were like, we're here to fuck around. We're probably going to get thrown off. It's going to be cut short. It wasn't a real game. That was the goal. But today, I mean, if it wasn't raining, we were going to show up and...

Like, compete. Yeah, but all of the boys would have been here today. And it's like, every time we talk about when we get the entire squad together, things escalate so fast, and there's no way that we wouldn't have gotten out of control. I'm not saying... Especially to the fact that we weren't filming it, so we were just like, probably getting into the booze a little bit. Man, every single... You guys think we're alcoholics out here, but we just talk about it a lot. But, you know, we probably would have started boozing a little bit, and then...

things would have escalated. Only to the extent of everything reckless except for wrecking a golf cart. I don't know if Micah would have drove a golf cart off a retaining wall again. We would have gone out without that. If we were leaving that golf course and had to buy another golf cart...

I would have been, I would have been alarmed. I'd have been like, okay, maybe we golfing is not for us. I didn't realize how much fun golf was. I know. I thought it was just kind of like a thing that old guy, old men did, but it's fun. I hear about all the time. All my, all my girlfriends, friends,

Boyfriends and husbands, that's what they do on Saturdays and Sundays. I'm like, huh, sounds kind of boring. Turns out it's a blast. It's a blast. And we're not even good at it. Except for Ben. Ben's not that good. Don't pump his tires. He's literally 30 times better than I am. Well, it's not that hard to be better than you, Mike. You literally break the club every time you go. For being, what did you play? High school golf? Right? Yeah.

For being in high school golf, that doesn't count. You gotta be hands down the worst golfer I've ever seen. That would consider himself a golfer. Were you on the special ed team or what? If they had one, I would have been. Bro, I've never seen somebody shank so many balls. Like,

At least making contact, and if you have just a gnarly slice or a gnarly hook and it's not going in the fairway, that's one thing. But the fact that you can't even make contact with the golf ball with the face of the club, and it might go just straight right or it might go in between your legs at one point. It went backwards multiple times. It's seriously a safety hazard to golf with my car, dude. It is. You don't know where to stand. You don't know where to stand. You don't know where it's going. It's okay. At least you can drive the golf cart.

Wait, don't you want to stand in front of the golf ball? You want us to stand in front of it or you stand in front of it? You don't know where to stand. I'm like, you just put it between the two white markers and then you stand in front of the golf ball. Not you, us, idiot. I'm like, bro, I know where to stand. Yeah, well, definitely stand behind me. You guys act like the ball, that one ball that went behind me, like...

If it hit you in the shin, you'd go, ah, and then that's it. Bruh. There was a couple ones that... Bruh, I saw them with my eyes. You could have killed somebody. Right. You would have been a pussy. If your club, the way it was like fucking the head of it every time you'd swim... You'd have to be like a fragile, fragile little baby for me to kill you with that.

I don't think most people are trying to get smoked by a golf ball off of the tee. There's still some heat behind them. Yeah, but not really. When you hear Micah's ratio to clubs broken to rounds played, it's one for one.

Every round of golf you play, you break a club. And if you didn't know Micah, and I was just telling you, yeah, my friend Micah, he breaks a golf club every time he plays. You'd probably think he's just this jacked, strong guy that's just smashing the balls. My brain would go more towards like angry. Oh, yeah, he's got a real anger problem. He's got a temper. Snapping him over his leg. Both of them quite the opposite. So, yeah, if you haven't seen that video, go check it out. We've actually been doing a really good job lately. Knocking out the podcast. Try and do one a week.

We still don't have the best schedule for it, so if you guys are watching this, just hit the notification bell because we sometimes post Tuesdays, sometimes post Wednesdays, sometimes post Thursday mornings. I'm doing my best out here, okay? I'm sorry. Ryan's killing it on the edits, dude. The beauty of the podcast is that you can listen to one from three weeks ago, and it's still relatively relevant. But yeah, no, we've been killing on the uploads. We've been doing the podcast, been rolling. And then on top of that, we just had a merch drop.

It's Saturday. We dropped the merch drop on Thursday, so it's been about a little over 24 hours. It was probably one of our top merch drops, and it's still going. It's still going. The giveaway pit bike is, that's, I don't know. People are stoked for it. I mean, it's that, but also I think it has a lot to do with the merch. Like, the jerseys, they're sold out. There's a lot of cool stuff on this drop for sure. And, I mean, there's a lot of jerseys, and they win. So cool.

So quick. So quick. We had two variations. It's just amazing. So thank you guys so much for that. And speaking of the merch shop, we got a duffel full of all the new merch going too. Caswell Customs. We announced last podcast that we were going to be giving away a full line of

um so yeah caswell customs we're gonna send you a dm we're gonna send you get your size and then we're gonna send you a little care package so what do you guys attribute the success of this last merch drop to everything i mean i'd like to give a good amount of credit to mike on the designs but also like i'll come up with an idea i think that the dare no can do was that mine that was mine right and like the icon came up with i just i tell micah about it right

And he makes it happen. He comes to me and he has it. And it just, it looks right. It's like whenever you come up with an idea, which all of us do, we all tell Micah, he makes it happen. Then we have this meeting. We look it all over and this is, you know, a month before you guys ever see it. And we go, change that or that looks golden. Maybe change this a little bit, tweak this or all this looks great. And then it just all comes together so good. But then also I think,

You know, it has to do with everybody just being entertaining, staying on their shit, working hard, and staying consistent. And obviously you guys buying it too. Exactly. That's why I'm like almost quiet about it. I'm just like silently stoked for like –

literally, I mean, thousands of people being like, I like that. I want to buy it. Right. I know some people do just to get entered, but I know a lot of people do just because they want it, which is the best. You know what's just crazy to me? When we go and we do a meetup, right, and I stand in line, or I stand at our booth and I take pictures for like seven hours, right, and you just have people just rolling in, rolling in.

And you're taking pictures and you're like, holy shit, dude. We've got to be making so many sales and there's just so many people here. And you get to the end of the day and you see how many you sold. And you're like, I mean, you're not mad, but you're like, oh, I thought we would have sold a lot more than that. And then compared to a merch drop when it's just like,

Puts perspective to the masses of people that can get to you on the internet. If you put all the people, if you put the 300,000 people that have already watched the video in a room, you'd be like, holy balls. That's a stadium. That's more than a stadium. I don't think there is stadiums. It's like two stadiums put together. Exactly. Yeah, that just shows the power of the internet these days. It's truly changed the way people...

sell things, do business, buy things, you know, obviously. But, like, the scalability is tenfold. So something you guys don't see is, you know, we plan out these merch drops, like, okay, we're doing one now, space it out. We go pretty much every two months about, right? And Mike is in the hot seat today. We haven't touched on that. So I hate to grill you too hard right off the bat, but for the longest time we would –

you know, have a, have a merch shop planned. Okay. So if it's in eight weeks, we need to have everything done, you know, six weeks beforehand. So then it can all get placed, ordered, and then we get samples. We can, you know, wear them, promote them, the whole shebang. And Micah, for the longest time, you're getting better at it. Would just, dude, you would just miss deadline after deadline by like three weeks for these merch drops. So,

I mean, it's tough because Micah does such a good job, and he absolutely kills it on the entire drop, and it takes a lot of work. So you hate to be too hard on the guy, but if there's a deadline, you kind of want to hit it or at least hit close to it. And, dude, would you just not –

Like realize that there was a deadline and just try and get it done like around that time or like what? Yeah, no, I definitely realize it. I think that is the worst part. You're just like, well, I just don't get it. It's like you're not even close. You're just missing it. Right. And so I honestly, especially for those at those times, I don't even have an excuse for that. The biggest thing now is it's like.

I am not just the guy who designs the merch. Being the merch coordinator is by far more work than being a designer. Product sourcing. Yeah. Talking with all these people. Yeah, we got to get these like heat presses for samples and then it's just like, well, it's going to be this much money and so then I try to like find another good place and if they're like not good...

Then next merch drop, I need to figure out a new place to get those samples, things from. And like there's so many moving components. Hi, I'm Angie Hicks, co-founder of Angie. And one thing I've learned is that you buy a house, but you make it a home. Because with every fix, update and renovation, it becomes a little more your own. So you need all your jobs done well. For nearly 30 years, Angie has helped millions of homeowners hire skilled pros for the projects that matter. From

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I have fully done things around the home that I think look good and then a bang in the night and I wake up to a shelf collapsing, a painting falling off the wall. Like it, I've seen it all go south. I own a home and I can tell you, I know how much work it can take. Whether it's everyday maintenance and repairs or making dream projects a reality, it can be hard just to know where to start. But now all you need to do is Angie that and find a skilled local pro who will deliver the quality and expertise you need.

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you know, screw these guys. I, I just want to chill. It is kind of your MO, Mike. Oh yeah. You disregard deadlines, no matter what the deadline is, whether it was, you look back to your days in school, you, I think you had like the record for most tardies. You were, you were showing up so late. Um,

You show up late for this, back when you had a girlfriend, you show up late to dates. You know, everything. You're just... Literally. You're on your own time. It's not a good thing. No. Yeah, I was like, it's not a good thing, but that is... I am on my own time. So it's not just the merch drop. I mean, at least you're staying on pace with, like... Yeah. You're staying on brand. When do you think that started? Did that start, like, going to school and just... Yeah, high school. Basically, just like, I was like, screw this. I think you just have... High school, 7.30 in the morning, like...

Bro. Would you say you have a disregard for authority? Yeah. Why? I don't... It probably came from... Honestly, it came from teachers. I think it came from your parents trying to tell you what to do younger than that. Yeah. And I think it was tough because my parents... A lot of that literally came with...

uh a curfew that's why i hated the curfew i hated it and and honestly that's probably a big part of it yeah they were they were like let's do midnight and then i'm like well if i'm gonna come home after you guys are sleeping what's the difference i was the kid i don't think that's the point of a curfew bro and it's not it's not and that's what they would obviously yeah mike they just wanted you to come home so they could chill with you yeah bro you got to be home by 12 because we're trying to hang out

That'd be funny. Not because we don't want you running around the streets. When I did get caught sneaking, I would never sneak out. I would only sneak back in. But when I got caught sneaking out, or sorry, sneaking back in, and my dad's like towering over me in the kitchen, hits me with the, what are you doing? You literally shit yourself, piss yourself, and gasp all at the same time. Let's get into that because you, I mean, your parents were pretty...

They're strict, but unstrict is just certain things because you come from a pretty religious family. Let's backtrack a little bit and start from the beginning here, kind of what your early years were like because, I mean, we didn't know you when you were a little kid. We met in high school, and we'll get into that, obviously, but tell us kind of growing up what it was like. Pretty much grew up in the country, which is good. We, like, moved to the country when I was, like, four, so that's all I really knew.

And, yeah, like, you know, going to church, going to, like, Wednesday school. That was a big part of it. Like, tractors. Basically, before I was in school, my grandpa was retired, and he just loves John Deere's. So me and my grandpa would chill every day. And just literally tractors, dude. He's like, what are we going to do today? Work on tractors.

Which is weird now because, like, I'm not super associated with it. You should get a tractor. Yeah. No, he gave me two of them, yeah. We got to do a video with it sometime. I'll bring it here. Yeah. But... So what age was that? That was basically from, like, five years old, four to five, up until, you know, when I was, like...

10. Obviously, I was in school at that point. You were kind of a farm boy. Yeah. Yeah. It's like that's just all I did, you know? Oh, can I – oh, this is funny. I remember asking my grandpa if I could mow, and I was like, yeah, six years old. And he's just like, ah, yeah, I don't know. I don't know if you should be turning the blades on. How about this? You can drive the mower in a straight line up and down the lawn, and I'll let you mow. And he did. I, like, proved him. And then, you know, shortly after, I was like, okay, this isn't all. It's cracked up. Yeah.

Yeah, is it funny? You still love mowing, though. You still want to mow. Yeah, well, I had a mowing business when I was, and that was when I was. I never knew that. What? Yeah, when I was like, I mean, it was like, I had like five lawns, but that would be considered as a business. I definitely didn't have an LLC. Good for you, dude. But I was like. As a kid, that's good. Five lawns. I was like 13, and I had like, I mowed a cemetery, which everyone's like tripping about that. Why do you mow a cemetery? Isn't that sketchy? I was like, I don't mow it at night or anything.

And then it was weird because my ancestors are in that. So it was a little weird. But and then I mowed like my mom's bank and a couple of apartments. So that was that was good. I do love mowing. Who was driving you around for that? My mom. Really? Well, yeah, honestly, my mom.

And then the cemetery, I would just drive the mower from my house. But yeah, lots of farm stuff growing up. Up until I got my license. Then I spent a lot more time in town. So where did it turn from you being like a country farm boy into like the flat brim skater boy that you were when I met you? Skinny jean way. Yeah, yeah. I would say it definitely, it all depends on your friends.

pretty much what you do in high school is dependent on who you're hanging out with. But, uh, skateboarding. So how did you fall into that friend group versus like the country boyfriend group? Like I never grew up wanting a truck. Like, you know, my, for my 16th birthday, I was like, I don't want to try, you know, which most country boys, they're like, I want a truck. I want a Silverado, you know? Yeah. Uh,

But yeah, I start... But before I had my license, I started skateboarding. And that was my way of getting around town. So that you just adopt that skinny jean, flat brim, skate shoes wearing lifestyle. It is amazing how your current friend group dictates who you are as a person. When you're younger and as you're getting older too. It does. I think the story of you becoming friends with us is incredibly interesting. Yeah, so basically I...

Broke my foot. How old were you? 2013. I was like 17. I broke my foot. Me and my buddy Pete rolled a ranger. And, you know, classic. You put your foot out or your hand or hopefully not your head. But the roll cage crushes it. Crushes it. I like broke all my toes except for my big toe.

And I was in like a wheelchair for like a couple weeks too. It was bad. And then I remember calling Jake up or Jake called me up because all my friends weren't hanging out with me because I was crippled, which it wasn't, it's not that deep, you know. I was just at home playing Call of Duty and they were like, well, there's not much we can do with you since we were always like skateboarding and snowboarding. And so then I called Jake and...

Jake Sherbrooke? Yeah, Jake Sherbrooke. And he's, yeah, dude, I met my dad. He's playing Mortal Kombat right now, like eating ice cream sticks. But you guys weren't that good of friends. No, I had just met him at basketball games. Which is like the most Jake thing ever. Like, oh, yeah, come on over. We're going to hang out. It really is. Yeah, I met him at a couple of basketball games, and he was just like stoked. He was just like, dude, I heard you're Mike Sandman from all, you know, like I don't know how he is.

how he really had a reputation. You were a Viner. Yeah, he was a Viner. You were a Viner. I knew you from Vine before I met you. Yeah, a bunch of people at Ben's school knew me from Vine, which is honestly par for the course now that we're social media. But he had like what? 2,500 followers. So yeah. I remember that being so huge at the time though. I was like, damn. So then the funny thing is that night that I like when hung out with Jake, we made Vines. Super weird. Jake probably was just trying to get some clout off. Yeah.

After that, I remember he's just like, well, I know your foot's broken, but like if it heals up soon, we could like duct tape your boot up or something. We could go snowmobiling. I'm like, sure. Yeah, I'm down.

And that's what we did. And then he was like, yeah, my buddies want to ride with you. And it was all of you guys. I don't know if you were with at the time, but basically all the Seaboys were with snowmobiling. Because we had a pretty, the group was pretty tight at that point. You know, me, Ken, Micah, CJ, and Jake. Not me at the time. Oh, yeah, yeah. Sorry. But I rolled in. I was there too, dude. Ignore that. I fucked all that up. The other cool thing was I met all you guys in the Cormorant store.

I don't know. That just makes it cooler to me. I walk in the car wash store. I see Ken. And keep in mind, I go to school with him. And at the time, he's Grant. I'm like, oh, that's Grant. What's up, dude? And we weren't friends in high school. We were just acquaintances. And so I saw him. And then I see Ben. And he's like 4'1". And I see Ryan. And I'm like, all right, cool. Let's go sledding. And I remember, yeah, all you guys had pretty nice snowmobiles. So I was pretty intimidated by that.

But shortly after that, I was like, well, that was really fun. I really like these guys. And that's what it's like to find friends at the lake, obviously. You know, there's no one around. So I was just like, this is great. I found friends who like to snowmobile around the lake. And then after that, everyone wanted to go or Ryan wanted to go snowmobiling, but no one else did want wanted to or could or whatever. And so Ryan asked me to. I was like, we don't know each other, but I'm down.

And then, honestly, from there, it was history. Yeah, man, you really fit with the group dynamic. Yeah, and then, yeah, as soon as I realized that you guys liked action sports, I was, like, sold. We got you into dirt biking. Yeah. Actually, that's crazy, too. I had never ridden a dirt bike besides, like, once or twice before I started hanging out with you guys. So, before, I hate to shit, I don't want to shit on your old friends, but, like, it was a, they weren't going down a good path. Right.

Right? No. And so do you attribute... Where do you think that you would be right now if you would have never met us and you would have stayed in that same friend group? Because when you started hanging out with us, you kind of ditched that group, right? Your mom even says that before you met us, you were kind of going down the wrong path. I think...

Especially where some of those guys are now is like I think I would just be working. I hate to overuse this, but like working 9 to 5. I'd still be very content because I'm a content, optimistic, happy person. But it wouldn't be much. Not even that though. It was like just the choices that they're making. And one of them is dead now because of drugs. Yeah, like one of my best friends for a long time. And he wasn't – that was almost like almost two different friend groups now.

But yeah, one of my buddies who I was friends with for a long time who was easily the worst, you know, like the worst. I don't mean to speak bad on his name, but things were just toxic. And I remember like canning that friendship and I was so happy. And then, yeah, like years later he OD'd, which is insane. So do I think I'd be anywhere near that path? Absolutely not. But yeah.

But it would be as far as a career path and maybe like my overall outlook on life would be a lot different. What did you see yourself doing? Like at that point in your life, what did you want to do? Around when I was like 16, I remember...

my mom would go to Bible study and then we'd go to the, this person's house from our church and he was a mechanical engineer. So he had dirt bikes and snowmobiles and all this. And I was just like, Oh, so you gotta be a mechanical engineer and you can, you can afford all these nice toys. And like, and then he was in the power sports industry. I forget where he worked, but, uh,

Uh, so I was like, I want to be a mechanical engineer. And then I met you guys and I was still stuck on that. I was like, sweet snowmobiles, love snowmobiles. And then I applied to the national guard. That's right. Sorry. Yeah. Or I should say they reach out to me and then I was like, well shit, if I can pay for college, like, and, and I know people that have done it and that have finished it. There's a lot of our friends. Yeah. Yeah. It's not, it's not that crazy, but,

Looking back, if it were me, it's crazy. Right. So what happened now, Mike, is you applied and you tried to go through with it to join the National Guard. And they make it very easy because they literally beg you to join. They beg you. And so then I remember halfway through that, the Air National Guard reached out to me and they're literally like, hey,

Army National Guard is like staying in a tent and Air National Guard is like staying in a five-star hotel. That's literally what they told me. These guys want everybody and anybody. So then, anyway, I was like, all right, cool. Well, if you're not lying, Air National Guard, cool, I'll apply. And then I applied and filled out all the medical questions and I said that I had asthma because I do, but it's very minor, like not severe. I've never seen you have an inhaler or need an inhaler. Yeah, it's basically like if I overexert myself in the winter, I'll get a little wheezy. That's about it. Yeah, wheezy. Yeah.

And so I applied and like, I said that and they're like, Ooh, you know, that could be a problem. And then I was like, well, let me know if it is like, I'll do some physical tests or some breathing tests. I don't know what goes into it, but no, I don't even need it. I don't know. It's no big deal. And they're like, yeah, it might be a big deal. And so they like push me around for like three months, you know, every month I'd be like, Hey, could I get an answer? Like I need to know if I'm going to basic. Cause I basically missed the summer basic, which I'm glad I wouldn't have gone because it would have been really hot. Um,

But I come two weeks before you're supposed to basically like be starting classes, August, whatever. They're like, I'm like, can I have an answer? Yes or no? Like, I don't, you know, it seemed very unprofessional. They're always like, I don't want to tell them. You tell them. That could have been what it was. And so then they're just like,

You didn't make her. Mike. That's fine. I just picture all of them standing in a conference room with a picture of just you with your flatworm and flippy hair and your purple skinny jeans standing there, and they're like, all right.

Seriously, we take everyone, but do we want this guy? You are literally the only person I've ever heard of in the history of ever that got turned down by the National Guard. And then begged. And then begged to get in. And they still said no. They didn't want you. Dude, they would go to a draft before they put Micah in there. No, seriously. I'm ready to fight. I want to serve my country. No, no. You can't do it. That would be a funny skit. Them just looking at me and they're like,

We can't. Who's going to tell him? But we can't let this guy in. We've kind of had that joke going for even in our content, though, too. Like, we'll be like, all right, who wants to do the stunt or whatever? And then everyone's kind of quiet. Mike's like, I'll do it. And then we're like, all right.

Seriously, anyone want to do this? Anyone else? Fine. All right. I guess, Ben, you're going to have to do it. We didn't even remember that whole story until like a couple months ago. But we've been doing that for the past like four years, dude. All I have to say is... Think how much different your life has been. Yeah.

so blessed that I didn't get in. Like, screw that, man. Respect to everyone that's in it, though, obviously. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's like, no hate, I'm just glad for my life that it didn't work out. So then I guess the way it took a turn in a really good way really fast was that I go to a community college, because at this time I'm like, well, I can't enroll in a university and like,

At that point, I was accepted to NDSU, but I still couldn't have enrolled. They just don't work like that. But you can go to a community college and enroll and schedule your classes all in one day. So I was like, cool, I'll do that. And then we go there, and they have their full list of professions, and I was like, can

Can you imagine just showing up to college? Because there's no generals there, really. Showing up to college and just being like, all right, pick one. That's what you did? Pretty much, like the night before. Actually? That's the most Micah thing I've ever heard, bro. You procrastinate and put everything off until the last minute. And you're like, I need a career. It wasn't his fault. It was not procrastination. That is true.

Not procrastination. Anyway. So one time it wasn't. That's true. That's true. Okay. So then I'm looking and I see like graphic design and then I hear they have a really good graphic design program. I'm like, well, this looks a lot more fun than accounting. It looks a lot more fun than being a nurse, even though the nurse's program is really good and you get paid really well doing that. But graphic design I picked and then they're like, I can see you being a nurse now that you say that. Can you guys picture that? Michael walking in. Yeah.

Here's your ointment. Rub it on some old lady.

I can check on you in 20 minutes. Ring the bell if you have any issues. Okay. So you go, you become a graphic designer or you start the course. Literally in a day I became a graphic designer. But I remember them being like, and keep in mind community college was cheap, but I remember them being like, you need a MacBook. And I was like,

Do I have to? Because at that time, I just was like anti-Apple because they were so expensive. And I still am anti-Apple because... It was the status quo. You've always gone against the status quo. You don't give a fuck about how expensive something is or if it's like supposedly nice. You just like care about getting the job done. Yeah, dude. So I bought... I like spent my entire grad money on the MacBook. And then that was the MacBook that we like...

built the company built the company it was crazy and and it worked for five years so like i never regretted it after that did graphic design and then once we started doing all this it was perfect couldn't have been more perfect it was like the stars all aligned you have made the most out of your two-year degree on so many levels dude yeah like can you did you ever even imagine

the amount of success you would create from that degree. Dude, like did you even comprehend that? Because most people getting like a trade job like that, they can maybe picture themselves starting their own business one day.

But it's like you've been out of college for five years and the amount of things that you've done with that degree is insane. Yeah. Think about how many designs you've made that are on T-shirts around the world, bro. Yeah. And that's obviously like a hundred thousand T-shirts around the world. It's sick that I would now I feel comfortable like legit teaching other people, not necessarily graphic design, but teaching them what they can do with it.

I remember when, you know, the people come into the classroom and they're like freelancers and they were talking to us and I was like, this is cool, but I can't see myself doing this in the near future. Like, I feel like I got to learn a lot. And then I did because you're thrown through the flames.

Which we all were. That's the best part about everything that we've ever done. It's basically like we were thrown into the flames.

Well,

What do we got going on here? Sorry, this is... What do we got going on here? I didn't expect the OJ, Ken. It's all good. Why don't you tell the audience what you're making? This is called a beer mosa. So we normally drink these in the morning, as terrible as that sounds. I love the normally. Not normally. No, like on a Saturday. Only on the week to get up and going, you know. But so you, like, normally bush can do course. But then you just, you pour a little bit of orange juice in. It has to be bushed.

And it's like a, instead of like a mimosa, it's like a manmosa. Mimosa. You know? Believe it or not, it's really good. Yeah, it's a phenomenal combo, actually. It's fantastic. Actually, super weird combo. Got like four dudes when I was at the corn run in just for the weekend. Were you guys all of us pranked? Were you sitting in a hot tub? No, no. But I turned them on to the. Oh, you turned four dudes on? Oh! Yeah, I mean, they were rock hard sitting there drinking these beermosas. They were fucking, because they're good.

They're good. But, yeah, no, that's a really good point, Ben. Would you have ever dreamed that your designs would be getting worn all over the world? You know? I mean... And sitting there in class learning how to do this shit. It's something I would have never even thought of. Exactly. I almost feel like... And your mindset has changed over the years. It's like the more you've hung around us... And I will say, like Ben and I especially, we always have really aimed and shot really high up, I would say. You know, we've always...

Aim for the stars. And the more you hung around us, I'd say like your mindset has almost changed. I don't know. Maybe I'm cocky saying that. For the record, it was hanging around you guys, but it was meeting all of your parents. Yeah. That's what it was. Really? I mean, my parents did just fine, but they didn't own their own business. They worked for someone and they hustled, but they never could scale it anywhere.

And so then I saw all of your parents, and I was like, every single one of their parents own a business, and I want that. That's all I want. That's all I want. I want to do, you know, American Dream sort of thing. Grant, I don't want to skip too far ahead here, but on the topic of that, what was your opinion on making a lot of money? Did you care about it? Yeah. Because a lot of people think, like, it's not...

It's not good to make a lot of money. It's good to make enough to sustain your livelihood. And that's all you need. And people think that people that make a lot of money are just arrogant assholes. I mean, some are. But I mean, everyone's different. Some poor people are the happiest people in the world. Some poor people are depressed, you know, or whatever. Did you want to make a lot of money? I wanted to be, honestly...

No, I wanted the little middle things like my family never took vacations. And I just saw like just a simple thing as taking your family to Florida. I'm like, how hard can that be? That'd be so fun. How much money could that possibly cost if we just like.

So I want to do just stuff like that. I have money to go on vacation and then not go, oh, we're not going to get a... This is how my family was, but we're not going to get a pop when we go out to drink or a soda, whatever you want to call it. We get waters to save money. I was like, screw that. I want to go out to eat and get what I want. I don't need to get the filet mignon, but... I think they almost...

Would you agree that they live very much so, they don't live beyond their means, you know, or needs? It's like, would you say the number one priority in your family still, and also obviously growing up, was God, you know, and church and religion, community, family, all that stuff, which is all really good.

But, yeah, I mean, that was your guys' main thing. Yeah. Yeah, we didn't need to do anything too crazy. Well, especially with, like, material possessions. Right, they didn't care about that. Yeah, they're like... Which, none of it does really matter. It doesn't. Yeah, it really doesn't. So, I mean, and that's kind of where I am, like, right now. It's like, remember someone goes, when are you going to buy your, you know, $100,000 car? I'm like, shit, I don't know, man. You don't care about that shit. I'm going to.

But, like, I don't know what it is. I don't know when it's going to be. Like, I'm happy with the Subie, dude. But I can relate to that. Like, for one, your Subaru is, like, so sick. You got that thing for, what was it, $10,000? $10,000. How the fuck? Wait, but put another $10,000 into it. That's true. But still, Mike, I remember when we went there, it was just me and you to buy it. And I was like, if you don't buy this, I'm going to buy it. It was sick. But it's just, it's so funny because you could have bought a lot of other vehicles besides that. And you could have fucking...

times 10 the value of that i'd say you care the least out of everyone by far about making a lot of money you just yeah which i yeah i was like which i don't want to be mistaken good for you which i don't want to be mistaken it's not cheap it's not that you're cheap you're not cheap but uh yeah which also and another thing to be said is like i don't want to skip the the build-up i don't want to skip the build-up skip the the work up so like i mean and this isn't uh like a hit at you guys but like

Ben, for example, has a brand new WRX.

We surprised you with it. It was amazing. You have a brand new WRX. That's because your family loves you and they're able to provide for you. Yeah. And so, anyway, I wanted that WRX that I never had. If I just skipped that, then I instantly would be like, why would I get it? So, anyway, I'm just taking it by levels, I guess, if that makes sense. If I were to go buy, I don't know, a Corvette or something or a GTR, I'd just be forever...

Yeah, I wouldn't want that. I wouldn't want that WX ever. That's true. I wouldn't. Do you think that you have everything you need right now? You have enough money in your bank account? You have a house? You've got every toy that you can... For the record, the only thing I don't have right now is a lot of money in my bank account.

Because he's buying so much stuff. From the house. From the house. But yeah, I have every toy that I could literally ever want. There's always new ones. But I definitely have the most toys out of all you guys. Oh, yeah. I know. You got a ton of shit. Yeah. A lot of stuff. This is fun. Dirt bike, snow bike, two snowmobiles, jet ski, two cars. Four-wheeler. Four-wheeler. A pit bike. A pit bike. Yeah. Oh, no. Another ranger. Yeah, ranger.

range yeah the way you're living though Mike honestly like that's the right way to live and I've told you this off camera many times because we always get into it maybe like because Ben and I are very like I'd say business oriented like we look at it like is this making a profit

If it's not, then we cut it, you know, and you look at it as, is this a good time? And that's honestly the better way to live. That's the best way to look at it. It is. The best way, and then the fact that we're able to mesh that into one thing is pretty great. Exactly.

Yeah, it is interesting how different we are but how well we work together because me, you, and CJ could not be more polar opposites, honestly. But it just works. And we do bun heads a lot too, though. It keeps Micah in line of looking forward and doing stuff. And it also keeps you two in line sometimes. Like, Micah will check your guys' decisions and be like, hey, no, we should do this for this reason. And I think it's what makes our group work is the –

five totally different attitudes towards so many things and that's why we work 100 yeah mike mike definitely keeps us grounded yeah exactly headed because dude like at the end of the day you have so many things to have an ego about you know everything that everything dude your your world is crazy right and anyone that has a brain can look at that and respect that but do you you have no ego

You have nothing that you brag about or you've got a chip on your shoulder when you're talking to someone. It is pretty amazing, Mike. It's funny when I do feel like a little bit of an ego coming on. I almost feel like there's like a monster inside me. You check yourself? Yeah. Well, that's good, Mike. Hopefully you stay that way. Your ego monster is like this tall and like literally anybody else's is like up here. Whenever he grows, I'm like, no. You know, I feel like...

I've never told you this before, but if you weren't obviously tied in with all of us, tied in with the business, you're making videos, all that, I feel like you would be traveling the world in your blue van before we wrecked it. You'd be traveling the world. It wouldn't be a blue van, but it would. You'd be traveling the world, living very minimally.

Just meeting new people, hanging out, chilling. Yeah. And by minimally... Would you agree with that? Yes. But by minimally, there's like two definitions of that. There's like...

You live minimally, Mike. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I want to live comfortably minimally, and you need money to live comfortably minimally, if that makes sense. There's minimally like you're eating sandwiches on the road, and you're showering once every three days. And I was like, no. If you wanted to grab a hotel and you wanted to, I don't know. I don't know if you'd do that, though, because if you were really out there doing it, you'd be like, eh, whatever.

I can just sleep in my van. But also like if I were to travel like that in a van, I would want to be making content and in the end want to be making money from that content. Like let's say at 21, it doesn't take much to travel the country in a van if you have the van already. Like it legit, you could live, you could travel the whole United States probably for like 10 grand, you know, and take months off. Right. But I don't really want to do that. Right.

Obviously right now is not the time. Yeah, not at all. But I mean, it's funny you say that because I would love to do that. I know you would. But the weird thing is as time goes on and you get a girlfriend, you need to have a girlfriend that's down for that. I would imagine that the next girlfriend you find would probably be down for that. I literally almost forget that you had a girlfriend. I feel like you've been single for so much longer than nine months at this point. And you just started hitting the market.

Like, smacking it, dude. Yeah, I know. Really hitting the market. Not really, though. I'm just, like, being single. Like...

I would not consider myself a ladies' man. I don't know, Mike. From what I've been seeing, dude, you're a magnet. You are a bit of a magnet. I almost think you can't get out of your own way on that. Should we circle back around to my incredible ability to be friend-zoned in high school? And the worst part is there's varying levels of it, but, like, oh, my gosh, dude. I...

There's so many nice pretty girls in my high school, and I somehow was best friends with all of them. You think they might have been misreading you? Yeah, they did.

Maybe. We didn't even touch on that. No. We did. We touched on it on the first podcast. Yeah, we did. No, yes, I was gay in high school. He wasn't actually gay, but I thought he was gay the first time I met him. Yeah, dude, it was just funny. And you just don't pull girls if they think you're in the friend zone. And then other girls are like, oh, yeah, he's super nice. Nowadays it's quite the opposite, though, Mike. You just got to avoid the friend zone at all costs. What do you think it is? It's because whenever there's any girls around us, whether it's our girlfriends, friends, or whatever...

You know, it's like there's only two single options, so it makes it nice for you. I mean, that's true. It's quite the setup. That is true. Yeah, if there's a group of girls around us, there's only, like, two people to choose from. I'd say we're a pretty good time, too. So, like, they're enjoying themselves. They're like, man, I'd like to come back. This is almost like a PSA. Like, if we're like, you just got to have a really good time and don't over. As soon as you're like, that girl's really cute, I want to, like, start moving in.

As soon as you start putting an ultimatum on it or whatever. Yeah, throws it off. Just be yourself. Dude, Mike, you Snapchat more girls than anyone I know, though. Really? Yeah, bro. You've got like 25 on the hook at one time. That is an exaggeration. But not far off. I know.

I agree. It's close to that, dude. It goes in waves. Also, dude, it's crazy. I mean, this is kind of more of a Gen Z thing, but what is a high snap score? I know you guys don't even keep track of that. You literally have no idea. Everyone says like a million is a super. Like you a hoe if you have a million snap scores. Do you have a million? No. What do you have? 998. I just crossed 600K, which I think is a lot. Yeah.

I got 120. Decent. Yeah, dude. But also, I've had Snapchat since it came out. Oh, that was another really, really funny thing. Dude, when I was, the first time I ever met Jake at the Lake Park basketball game, he comes up to me and goes, dude, so you got to get this app. It's called Snapchat. And keep in mind, this is like 2012. I don't know, whenever it came out. And he was like, you got to get this app, dude. So basically, you just send pictures. It's

It's mostly meant to send nudes. You just like send pictures and they just disappear. That is kind of what it was actually meant for. I mean, and I don't know if it was meant for that, but that's what it was used for. No, it was. That was the initial concept. And I remember downloading it and it was just him. And then this one other girl that I was friends with that had it. And that was it. I was just like, man, well, no one uses this app. Well, thank God you picked a good username, Mike. Yeah.

No kidding. So many people just picked terrible Snapchat usernames because no one had it. I've always really liked CJ's.

Just CJ, one, two, three, four. Hey, CJ Lotzer, one, two, three was already taken and all the ones before that. Wait, that's still your username? Yeah, yeah. Can you change it? You can't. And also, I don't use Snapchat. I'm not like, no offense, but I feel like that's for little kids. Yeah. And like now that Instagram has stories, why am I going to post a Snapchat story? But like I live on Snapchat. Like I post. Yeah, I know because you got a lot of girls you got to snap at. No, but I'm saying on my stories too. Like if I put promos, like new video. Yeah. But I built my Snapchat audience. Yeah.

Right, and I still could do that, but I just don't see the point because you could just post it right to your Instagram. Stay on Instagram. I'd rather just have my Instagram pop in. At least Snapchat to Mike and I. Yeah, you guys got it. Yeah, Ryan's got my back on this at least. I just like Snapchat. So you were graduated out of college while some of us were completing it or trying to complete it, and we had that –

shitty ass trap house college house that we were running the business out of that was like i feel like those were some nice nice times for you yeah absolutely you you weren't you were just a full time working on the business but it wasn't like super serious yet so it was like you're hanging out you had everything you needed but like but you're chilling being able to live the college life which like it didn't feel weird didn't feel like i was like some old graduated person because at the same i graduated earlier than you guys even though you were younger than me

But, yeah, I got to, like, live the college life. But I didn't have to waste my time on fucking homework.

I got to... No, you were just partying. Well, no, no, no, no, no. I was partying with all you guys. And then when you guys had to do homework and go to class, I got to work on actual shit. We had so many side gigs back then too, though. Yeah. I mean, we were just trying to make money any which way we could. Those were building years, dude. We did anything. We had our fingers in so much stuff, and I don't think we were doing anything well. No. We had the freaking... But we were doing it better than anyone else.

Anyone else? Because we were just doing it. We weren't thinking into anything. We were just doing it. Yeah. Which I don't know if that's good or bad, but building bricks or brick by brick or whatever the fuck the saying is. Brick by brick, baby. So Ken's brother Cody is an arborist. He's got a huge tree pile. He cuts down trees. We were like, well, what if we made a subscription-based thing in the summer so that we deliver bundles of firewood to people on the weekends or whenever they want them?

Never came to be, but... Goodwood. We're going to call it Goodwood. Still might work, honestly. Yeah, still might work. And then you can elaborate on that. Some fucking big cone-mount t-shirts or whatever. Yeah. Bunch of different side hustles. But yeah, to circle back around, that was a great time in my life because... Basically because of that. I was able to live like a college kid, but actually make money and not waste my time in class. Not that when you're in class, you're wasting time, but a lot of times it feels like it. Feels like it. So...

Yeah, we don't have to talk about this if you don't want to, but your dad passed away during that time. Yeah, yeah, that was tough. And that was like, I don't even know. I'm really bad about like dealing with it or talking about it, but he had cancer and he like kicked it for like three years. And then it was kind of one of those things that like wasn't, yeah, like just not going to come out of.

But I would say the scariest thing out of all of that was, like, the last, like, two weeks. Like, if you've ever seen anybody with cancer, like, he looked like a zombie. Like, he didn't look like my dad anymore. Like, crazy, crazy. I was like, this is terrifying. But, yeah, it was sad. How did you cope with that? I don't know. That's the thing. Like, you know, I had you guys. It's like, I'm not much of a crier. I think, like, I just coped with it by...

you just having you guys honestly really like just i'm like man i was so happy with what we were doing and so happy that it was successful and so happy to be on youtube and staying busy that i was like oh this is if i wasn't doing this i don't i would be in rough shape too at the time yeah because i mean you i mean i always say this but you are actually the happiest person i know i i do remember talking to you about it

At the time, I remember you mentioning to me, and you even said this up there at his funeral. You said there's, like, so much comfort in, you know, knowing that he is with God now and, like, just the faith that your family has. Yeah, and I think, well, yeah, that honestly is a big part of it, too, to elaborate on. It was very, like, your whole family was...

I don't know, just they were so calm about it. Yeah, I was like, so that was a big part of it. It's kind of just like not, I don't know, not just being like, yeah, sending good energy to your dad, you know. Like, I'm not saying that's all false, but I was just like, no, I mean, it feels real, I guess. But it is crazy that we had time to prepare, you know. Like, that is a huge part. Because I remember you were able to, like, kind of be like, accept that.

Like, this is going to happen. Because I think shortly after that, not to make the story any more dark, and we weren't too close later on in life, but me and my parents were his godparents. But me and my, like, childhood best friend shortly after that passed away in a car accident. And I was, like, fucked up from that. I was, like, crying. And I was just like, well, why wasn't I like this with my dad? Because it was unexpected. So there's something to be said there. Like, unexpected death. Whew.

I remember you told me that you were like almost at a bit of peace because you knew that he was in a better place. You're like, he's not suffering anymore and stuff like that. Right. No, I mean, yeah, he, he was like suffering. It was bad. So, uh, positive note of that, like right. I mean, shortly before that, like no, he passed away in December and in November we went on an elk hunting trip and we didn't eat, we didn't get an elk, but it was like the best, uh,

It was, like, the best, and he was having a really tough time getting around. But, like, it was, like, we shot some mule deer. And if I wouldn't have had that experience with him, that would have been really tough. But, you know, just having some closing experience. Because, like, you guys know, like, I don't spend a ton of time with my family. I'm bad about that. I don't know what it is. I love them just the same, but so bad about that. We're all pretty bad about it. But, yeah, I mean, you...

You're just busy. And again, it comes down to like your guys' families all live close by. Five minutes away. And yours is what, 30, 25? Yeah. So it makes it a little bit longer of a trip. No real excuse, but yeah. And they live on a gravel road, so I'm not trying to get my car dirty. Do you have any like advice for someone that, like I'm sure there's plenty actually of kids that are probably listening to this right now that are in a similar situation to you.

At that time. Yeah, I would say it would circle back around to what I said about having you guys. You've got to have... And if you... That's the thing. If you don't have good friends, then I, like, I don't know what to say. Wouldn't you say just something to focus on? Yeah, yeah. Something to focus on. Stay busy. Yeah, for sure that. But also, like, the friend group to me is the most important. Even if I don't have to, like, talk about it with you guys, just knowing that, like...

like there's so many people i know that like just don't have a friend to call or they're like i hope i you know i hope my friend my one friend is available this weekend so we can hang out i'm like it's not like that like i could literally show up at any of your doorsteps at any time but even five years ago i could have done that what about at like if they don't have any friends that they feel they can reach out to yeah then i guess like stay busy um

And just cherish that bit of time that you had before that. Yeah. I mean, it's definitely... It's okay to cry about it. Cry as much as you want. But don't... You got to move on. And that sounds really, really insensitive. But time heals. You can't live in despair forever. And that comes to me being a glass half full type of guy. It's life. But it's a lot deeper than that. But yeah. It...

What am I supposed to do? Right, exactly. There's nothing you can do. Cancer has killed millions of people, right? So it just happened to be in my family. Luckily, like, have you guys had any of your grandparents pass away? Yeah, I've had a whole, a lot of my one side of the family has passed away from cancer, actually. That was my only time with it. Other than that, like, I haven't dealt with that before. So in that aspect, again, I felt really lucky.

Like, now that I'm past that and over and happy now, I felt really lucky. I was like, man, I'm glad that that was the only thing I really had to deal with. I think part of the reason, I mean, just right there, you kind of proved it. You always stay positive no matter what. I think that's the biggest takeaway. Whatever we're doing, you always stay positive. Everything could be going wrong. You'd be like, well, I mean, we still got this. You know, I'd be like, yeah, but we need this. And you're like, but I mean...

What are you going to do? Yeah. You think he'd be proud of what you've done to the Beamer? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the BMW was your dad's car. Yeah, that was cool. I remember my mom, she basically gave it to me. I sold my Subie so I could buy it from her. And then I paid like five grand. And I'm like, I'll get you the rest of the money soon. And then she's like, I'll just gift the rest to you. And then I'm like, I sold my boy Subie.

Now you got the real car that you wanted. So, yeah, that was his car. As far as the Subaru goes. It was like, dude, it was also funny. Like, you know, I think we are tainted now. But, like, even at the time when my dad got that car, like, we were doing Seaboys, right? And he loved that thing for no particular reason besides, like, cool. I got a cool car now. And I'm like, dad, this car ain't cool.

It is. But now it means a lot more, obviously. Right. It's got sentimental value to it. So I'll probably keep that. Forever. Hopefully. Yeah. I think you'd be really proud of the car, but also everything else you've done. I remember that was the worst part. I never got many encounters with him where we were out walking with fans, or like when there was fans. But we were at Steamer Hill, which is coming up Labor Day. But anyway, a bunch of tractors. And this kid comes up to me, asks for a picture, and he was just like,

That guy. So he just, out of the blue, just recognized you? And I'm like, if only he could see that now. Or even if he could see that in a different. I'm like, it happens all the time. I just think we had probably 100,000 subscribers at that time. But at the time, it didn't. Maybe even less. Yeah, so he was dumbfounded by that. Really? Yeah. He was like, did he just recognize you? That's crazy. Because I think I'm also carrying out kind of what my dad was like on the radio.

He did a bunch of radio stuff, and he was a car salesman. So he definitely was the type of person that wanted everyone's praise, but not in a cocky way. But he just loved knowing everybody. And so then when he found out, I remember when he was like, you guys should do an ad on the radio. I was just like, nah. This is worldwide, but same kind of premise. He also tried to do politics for a little bit. Yeah, you're right. He did. And you put a fucking sticker on a turtle. I'm like, what are you doing? Yeah, I don't want to talk about it.

I was just putting a bunch of his stickers. This is funny, but so dumb. But I only accredit this because I was young. You probably do it today, too. No, because I wouldn't make that mistake again because I didn't realize how dumb it was. But anyway, he gives us a bunch of stickers. Paul Sandman for state representative. We're putting them all over, and it's great. And then me and the one shithead friend that I had put it on a dead turtle. Like, why? Why?

Why? What a marketing scheme they got there. But like, he clearly was not thinking. To be fair though, I see that dead tone, I'm voting for Paul. To be fair, you were young, you were 19 years old. Yeah, he was just a little kid. He had to give him a break, you guys. I just remember that. He was just like, he literally reamed me out for that. He's like, you're dumb, dude. Why would you do that?

But other than that, yeah. So did somebody find the turtle and take a picture of it? Yeah, how did you get narked on? So he didn't even see it. No, no. Someone saw it and then was like, hey, I saw your sticker on this, and it was kind of off-putting. Oh. And I was like, man. How did he know it was you? Because who else was coming up to do that? Who else was putting stickers on turtles, dude? I think the funniest part of him running for state representative was –

We had to be in all of the local little town parades. I was in like 15 parades that summer with him. And I was like, this is so weird. You just roll through Main Street of, you know, rink-a-dink town in Minnesota and then you scoot over to the next one and then scoot over to the next one.

throughout tootsie rolls dude super whack would you ever use your influence nowadays to follow in his footsteps and carry on the legacy of that no i was gonna say who do you think is gonna vote for this but mike you could you could be like the independent party or no no that's what he was basically running up against a guy that had been in office for 20 years way too long and he put up a

He got like 33% votes. That's pretty good. Dude, to answer your question, I think a lot of people would vote for Mike because they'd be like, I know him. No, they'd be like, I don't know what this guy's about because he's kind of all over the place and he doesn't show up to half of the events. But I kind of like it. He's got a few good points. He seems real. He seems pretty trusting. If you were going to run, what would your platform be? My platform?

The Green Party? No, sorry. No, I mean, like, what would you stand for? What would be your big thing that you're going to do? I thought my platform would probably be on MySpace. Dude, I don't know. I don't want to... I'm trying to make up something funny so I don't actually, like, tell you how I really feel. But there's a lot of crazy shit going on in this, and I would probably come back...

All that. I don't know, dude. I don't know. That was a hell of a politician answer, dude. You got a future in this. Yeah, dude. Roundabout answer. Nice. I'd probably fix it all. Well, Mike, I think this was probably our best hot seat episode thus far. That was really good, man. It felt really good, and it was natural. And I really appreciate you guys...

Being my friends. We appreciate you being ours. And how genuine you are. So don't change. Stay the same, please. Don't change, just improve. But stay you because we love it. Thank you. Thank you guys so much for watching and listening.

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