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You know, presidential years just have their own pace, their own velocity, their own craziness. And this one, woo! I, you know, we record this podcast in advance and I'm always worried that like 10 minutes later, the world is going to fundamentally change. Even if I was doing a live podcast, I think...
By the time I got to the end of it, it would change. So in full disclosure, we're recording this on a Friday. I'm here in New York recording it on Friday. But I think by the time we roll this out on Sunday night, I think it'll still be the same in terms of its content. But, you know, the presidential election, you always say it's the most important of our lifetime.
Probably is. And this one's no exception. And we got a lot to talk about. So we're going to talk a little bit about the news. We're going to talk about some of the stupid because, you know, there's always somebody doing something stupid somewhere. And boy, we've picked out a couple here that are winners. And then for a quick analysis, I've got Kennedy coming to join me. Kennedy, you know Kennedy.
Kennedy saves the world. She's just awesome. Seriously, one of my favorite people here in the Fox building. She just got a fun perspective, energetic. And for those of you old enough to remember your old MTV days, she was like one of those VJs that, yeah, I remember. So it's kind of fun to be working with her, be friends with her. And it ends up she is just one of the nicest, nicest people and so knowledgeable. I just love the way she thinks and looks at things and
and studies things, she's just great. So we're going to have, I'm sure, a lively conversation with Kennedy. But I want to give you a few perspectives on the news. I got to go back. I did a special podcast, if you haven't listened to it, I would encourage you to, about the Secret Service and what went wrong with the assassination attempt of Donald Trump. And I want to kind of give you an update to what I'm hearing and some of the frustrations that I have at this point.
Because it, as I've said before, it doesn't seem like we have listened or adhered to any of the recommendations that came from our bipartisan work in a 400-plus page report that
And I know the House is going to put together its own committee. They voted now. They're going to put together their own investigative team, which they should do. They absolutely should do that and do it in a bipartisan way, unlike what the Democrats did, by the way, with January 6th. Remember the Democrats? Oh, no, Republicans, you don't get to participate in that. We get to pick what Republicans get to be involved. It was just a sham and it was
And it was fruitless because they didn't look at it from a bipartisan way with the idea of getting to the full and total truth. It just never did. It wasn't set up to do that. But I think the way that Speaker Johnson has set this up, it really is going to be a worthwhile effort. Unfortunately, to do it right, I'm sure there'll be a preliminary report. But, you know, to do the full report probably takes him a year.
I took two and a half years with some great staff work looking at 150 plus security incidents that the Secret Service was involved and engaged with. And after that, we came up with a 400 plus page report. And to summarize that, and I think the same issues will be true with this shooter and the shooting that happened yesterday.
in Pennsylvania. One is going to be about recruitment. Another is going to be about training. Another is going to be about communications and the lack of communications. So let me tackle those three things really quickly. The recruitment. The director, Cheadle, who has now stepped down after the bipartisan call from both the chairman, Chairman James Comer, and the ranking member, Jamie Raskin, out of Maryland, and
and a host of other people that were there on that committee, the vote of no confidence in the Secret Service director was both warranted and timely, but it should have never happened. I want to remind people that both our recommendation and when the Homeland Security Secretary for Barack Obama and Joe Biden put together their blue ribbon panel after all these security problems, for instance, a man with a
criminal background with had a gun near the president. Yeah. There were a lot of security lapses there. We got lucky in many ways that nothing happened to Barack Obama or his kids or Joe Biden and his kids. But the recommendation that came out of that was hire a secret service director who's not associated with the secret service, doesn't have the ties, doesn't have the background, doesn't have any of the bad habits that
Doesn't blinded by what we've done in the past. Come up with somebody from the outside. Barack Obama's Blue Ribbon Commission said that. We said that. What did Joe Biden do? The exact opposite. Took somebody who's had Secret Service experience, but then left and worked at Pepsi. Nothing wrong with Pepsi. Good company. Lots of great products that we all enjoy. But then brought her back in because she knew the Bidens.
She had worked on the Biden's detail and it was somebody they could recall by name. And so they hired somebody. And guess what? Nothing really changed in nearly two years. She admitted, Director Cheadle, that they were short close to 1,500 people. Now, this is an agency that is supposed to have about 8,000 employees. So when you're short 1,500, there are ramifications, right?
And so you have to go back into the recruitment. You got to be able to attract good quality people. Now it's tough to pass the exams. It's difficult for them to pass a background check, for instance.
So you take a lot of people from the military and with good clean backgrounds or maybe somebody with local law enforcement that has a good record. Those are the types of people that you're trying to attract. What we found in our investigation, they were advertising for people in Washington, D.C. on pizza boxes and bumper stickers. Now, how many good quality applicants do you think you're going to get from pizza boxes?
Love pizza boxes. I look at pizza boxes. Probably use a coupon or two from a pizza box, but join the Secret Service. I just don't know that that was a really good recruitment strategy, but that's what they were doing. And the consequence was they never got that turned around and be fully staffed. The second part is probably even that much more important, which is the training component. Now, the training component is
Oh, my goodness. There were some years where the trainings were bought down for some people to zero, not a single hour. The average person who is a Secret Service uniformed division, you think of those as the people that are working around the White House, for instance, other facilities where they've got the white shirts and they look great. Guess what?
The average training time per year for a Secret Service uniformed division is 30 minutes per year. That's how much training they got done. So they don't have a mock White House, for instance, something I'm actually critical of Congress for, too. There's no mock White House. So how do you train to protect the White House, deal with an incident at the White House? This shooting didn't happen at the White House. But how do they practice that?
Homeland Security is in charge of what's called FLETC, the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center. They don't really train for this, not to the degree that they should. And so all of a sudden you have a shooting and it takes a long time to get their protectee off the stage in the vehicle. And then when you look at what happened at the vehicle, it didn't move.
It just sat there because they couldn't figure out how to open up the gate. Who's in charge of the gate? And you'll see all these officers running around, local officers, Secret Service officers. Who's got the keys for the gate? That sort of thing. And you also had agents with all due respect, the bravery of jumping on the president, making sure that he was smothered and they would take a bullet for him. But then you have some agents who can't holster their gun. You got one agent who takes off her glasses and
goes and helps gets the president into the vehicle, then puts her glasses back on. I'm sorry, but you got to have that hand free so you can maybe, you know, access your weapon or do something else. Not make sure you don't leave your glasses behind, for goodness sake. Things like that. You're listening to Jason in the House. Stay with us. We'll be right back.
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How did they scale the building? How did they lay in the prone position to get a shot? Not just a shot, multiple shots off. They killed somebody, maimed two others, and got hit, made a shot into the ear of the former President Donald Trump. Instead, what we saw is an FBI director talking, giving us some new information about a drone and not answering many other questions.
questioning whether or not the president was actually hit by a bullet instead of focusing on the core questions that America needs answers for. Now, the other side of this is communications. Okay, the third item here, and I don't want to belabor this. The Secret Service has a history of being very deceptive to the American public. I can give you numerous stories about how they lied to the American public and, quite frankly, lied to Congress because what they were telling us
Both my as a member of Congress, but also the American people, which is factually not true. That's a huge problem. OK, you can't go and tell the American people as they did. The FBI at least answered some questions at a fed at a local law enforcement press conference roughly six hours after the attack.
The FBI agent at the time put a lot of pressure on him. Sure, he's not used to it. Didn't ask for this. But nevertheless, he's the one given the briefing. And he says, we don't yet know the name of the shooter. We don't know the name of the shooter. And as soon as we get him identified, we will let you know. But he's a 20-year-old male. How do you know he's a 20-year-old male if you haven't identified him? I can understand they say male, but 20 years old? How do you know that? Then they also said, there's no ongoing threat to the public.
How do you know that? You don't know the name of this person. So you're telling me that there's no network, you have no idea. Then they go out and tell us, well, he has no social media profile. What 20-year-old do you know in America that has no history or footprint on social media? Ends up that, man, that may be not true either. So again, I just feel like you're lied to, you're not being candid, you're not providing the answer. And here's the other interesting thing.
What other major incident can you think of that involved the Secret Service or the FBI where they didn't have regular routine press conferences to inform the public about what's going on, especially the assassination attempt of the leading candidate to become the next president of the United States? Not a single one. The only one that was held was the local one.
But the other ones didn't do it. Now, the Secret Service director had to, because of a subpoena from Director Comer, show up and testify. But even then, she wouldn't give us any details. Her lack of candor, her inability to answer the questions, I was actually adamant that he hold her in contempt. She's lucky she didn't get out of there without being held in contempt. If you know the answer to a question...
You're there under oath. You're there under subpoena. And you know the answer to the question. You must answer the question unless you want to invoke the Fifth Amendment against self-incrimination. Imagine what our world is like in our court system, our judicial system, in Congress. If every person who comes to testify at Congress and they say, that's kind of a tough one, you know, I'm going to be embarrassed if I answer that one.
Yeah, I'm not going to answer that one. Imagine, I mean, the world kind of, our judicial system, our congressional system, it breaks down.
Members of Congress need to be able to ask somebody if they know the answer, even if it's preliminary, even if we haven't waited for the 60 days of a report. You got to give us the information now. Imagine, for instance, after 9-11, the attack, I mean, the horrific attack on taking down the World Trade Centers in New York City. Imagine if somebody came back to us and said, well, Congress, well, Mr. President, what we need to do is
We're going to need to do an after action report. It's going to take us a few months. So just let us handle it. Leave it alone. And we'll come back in a couple of months and let you know. That's not, no, the president needed to act immediately. The Congress needed to act immediately. This is in that same genre. It's just, anyway, it really does bother me. But I don't want to belabor that. I still think that the FBI director's
testimony was chilling in that he did provide a couple more details, but not specific details, not enough to warrant how did he get a gun so close to the president. And even though Director Cheadle has resigned, it doesn't solve the problem. And it affects Democrats and Republicans.
And, you know, to be a candidate, to be a protectee, it just leaves this lingering mind in it there. And you know what? Because of the weakness, it also emboldens would-be perpetrators that they might be able to get away with something and not get caught. And that's what we saw during the Obama-Biden years. Shooting at the White House, nobody caught. Nobody identified. Shooting at the Bidens' residence in Delaware, nobody caught, nobody identified.
These types of things just went on and on and on, and they never did solve that. All right. So now let's go to the other big news that's happened since we last dropped a podcast, and that is Kamala Harris essentially, I guess, wrapping up the nomination. Now,
What about all those people who the 15 plus million who voted in primaries and caucuses? I guess we just dismiss them and their votes. I find this so ironic from the very party that's trying to preach democracy. Donald Trump would be a threat to democracy. He would tear it down. Oh, really? And what's up with Joe Biden's press or his speech from the Oval Office?
He was supposed to be. Karine Jean-Pierre told us, oh, let the president explain in his own words why he's stepping down. And by the way, it has nothing to do with his health. Nothing, absolutely nothing to do with his health. But let him explain in his own words. And then he gives the White House address. So the president takes to the microphone. He appears very feeble. He reads a statement. And then the media essentially reacted by saying,
Oh my goodness, that was candid and brave. Okay, candid? No, it's not candid. Nobody gave us a candid comment. That was a canned speech. Now,
You can give a canned speech. You can read off the teleprompter. I have no beef with that. But then don't go tell us that it was candid, like it was off the cuff, you know, just talking from his heart. Because he never did explain in the few minutes that he did give this speech why he suddenly stepped down. He talked about passing the baton to Kamala Harris. But you know what? He told us before the last election he was going to get elected and pass the baton.
So what changed, Mr. President? What changed? And I think the obvious answer, and it needs to be fleshed out. I'm not saying I've got the definitive answer to this, but it appears as if he was pushed out by his own party. That Barack Obama with George Clooney and the other people out there going out and talk, David Axelrod out there talking about this. They're not going to talk like that, issue op-eds and whatnot, unless...
Barack Obama has given him a wink and a nod and a thumbs up like, yeah, go for it. Nancy Pelosi, I think, plays a big role in this. Chuck Schumer, I think, reluctantly does this. And I think the other thing is, my goodness, you've got to also understand that, wow, you know, they all seem to have been pushing for the earliest debate in the history of debates. Why is it that Joe Biden did that debate so early? Was it because...
I don't know. People knew that Joe Biden would fail. I don't know. I think that's one of the big political mysteries that has to be fleshed out. So here we are, Kamala Harris. And now the problem is Kamala Harris is, well, she's trying to just erase her record. See, simultaneously, she tries to say, I had nothing to do with the border. I'm not the border czar.
I had nothing to do with the bad economy. I had nothing to do with these wars that are raging overseas. I had nothing to do with that. Even though she stood up and said, yeah, she was taking on the root causes of immigration, even though she said in regards to Afghanistan, she was the last person in the room before Joe Biden made the decision about what to do with Afghanistan. And
And she boldly talked about, yeah, I was the last person in the room. And then, you know, we had 13 people die. We have billions of dollars of U.S. armament that was left behind that is going out into the battlefield to nefarious characters all around the world. Things like that. It's just they're going to try to paint this pretty picture that essentially she did nothing wrong.
And I would argue that she didn't do anything, but she's also going to try to take simultaneous credit that, oh, she's ready. She's more classically trained than anybody else that's ever run to become the president. That is such a, whoo, that is reaching for the stars on that one. I think ultimately America will figure out what they figured out, what the Democrats figured out when she first ran for president. When she first ran for president, let's remember that she put her name out there. She raised a lot of money.
She was leading. She was like, wow, she's got game. She's got a great speech. She had a good rollout. But then she started speaking and she started going out and talking to voters all around the country. And next thing you knew, we were rolling up into, I think it was December of 2019. And guess what, folks? Her record was just plummeting. It was just plummeting. She got to the point where
In the state of California, her home state where she had been the attorney general, she was the sitting United States senator, and she was polling in fifth place. Fifth place.
She was literally losing this election to people who just were not part of the state of California. Right in the lead was Joe Biden, followed by Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and Andrew Yang. Andrew Yang was polling stronger than Kamala Harris.
in the primary leading up to the California primary. And it was such an embarrassment and her money started drying up. And so she finally threw in the towel and said, oh, I'm not going to do it. And then miraculously picked out of the crowd by Joe Biden. And now here we are. So it will be interesting to see what happens, how it happens, and if it happens. Because I think once the glean of the honeymoon period with the media and them trying to erase her record and making her, you know, trying to prop her up as the
as the savior of the Democratic Party, while simultaneously selling us that, oh, Joe Biden, he was candid and he was so brave. Brave? At one point in that White House speech, he actually said his goal was to unite his party. And I think that was true. I think that part was candid. It wasn't to unite the country. He later said that in that speech. But did he want to unite the party? Because even though he won 92% of the vote...
Nobody else was even close. There was all these fractures because I think they knew that Donald Trump kicked his butt at the debate. He was running circles. Donald Trump was running circles around Joe Biden and that Joe Biden, with his lack of energy and enthusiasm, was going to lose and lose bad. It was going to be a blowout. I think that's why the party elite, the party leaders,
higher echelon decided we're pulling the plug on this one. We're putting in Kamala, despite all these millions of people that have voted. And by the way, get behind it, be enthusiastic because we got to beat Donald Trump at all costs. That's where we're at. All right. One more thing about the Secret Service communications. Not only was it the errant lies by the Secret Service,
And communicating with both Congress and the American people, I really do think that one of the things you're going to find is that the communication within the Secret Service was abysmal. See, the problem is if you don't do enough training, then when an incident does happen, guess what happens?
Everybody starts talking. If everybody's talking, nobody can hear. We've got it all in a place where everybody's talking. Wait, wait, what'd you say? Imagine if you all had earpieces and there were 12 people talking. You have to practice this so there's one person in charge who can call out what needs to be called out. And when they have identified a potential threat, a person under suspicion, they can
And there isn't the follow through. And you had the public, you had local law enforcement all saying this is a threat. This is a threat. But the Secret Service doesn't take it as a threat. Guess what? Then the president goes up on stage on time. They don't get up there to rush him down before shots were fired. And you have this cluster once shots are fired.
That sort of communication, if you don't practice it, it becomes chaos. And we had seen this multiple times before in incidents that were a lot less dramatic as Donald Trump getting shot. But you know what? I want to know what they did to solve that in the intervening years. My guess is that they didn't and that they had very little training on this very particular topic.
And the training has to be about how to communicate in the moment of crisis. That, I think, is going to be one of the biggest shortfalls of what happened. But you know what? Let's get Kennedy's point of view here. So Kennedy, like I told you, is one of my favorite people. And she's here in the Fox News studio. So I'm going to jump in, get Kennedy, and let's just roll with my conversation here with Kennedy. I like your shirt. Hmm.
Explain. Are you a 49ers fan? I'm a little bit more of a Raiders fan. I actually was born in the Bay Area. That's right. You told me that. Okay, so that makes sense. So you and Emily Campagna, no matter where they go, like Southern California, Las Vegas, you're still in. The way I look at it, the Raiders moved closer to me.
because I live in Utah and now I have a little place. My wife and I have a little place in St. George, Utah, hour and a half away from. Oh, is it really that close to Vegas? Hour and a half, baby. Oh, that's nice. I worry about the Chaffetzits going to Vegas. I want to shield your eyes and your soul from. Donny Osmond.
Come on. He's all over Vegas. You can't go to Vegas without seeing Donnie. That's true. Donnie's also from Utah. I mean, you could, and I've done it both ways. You could have a strangely wholesome trip in Las Vegas with the sphere and malls and museums. And the food. And roller coasters. Check out this body. You think I'm missing meals, Kennedy? Come on. But yeah, it really is a foodie's paradise. I went to Jose Andres Bizarre Meats.
A week and a half ago in Vegas. And it was lovely. You know, this is a good segue for me to say, but Kamala Harris is going to get rid of meats. She is. So that's one of her big things is she was asked by Aaron Burnett, should we rethink the food pyramid and the government suggestion? She's like, yeah, I think we should. It's like...
lady, go take your gas stove and your hot air and do a science experiment. But Kennedy, she's all about freedom. She's not. She's the most anti-freedom candidate we've ever seen for president. Explain that. And that's really saying something. I totally agree with you, but give me your perspective. So my perspective is she thinks of herself as a tough prosecutor and a cop, but she doesn't want to crack down on laws that really affect
I don't know, business owners. Like the theft misdemeanor law in California where if it's under $950, it's a misdemeanor. It's not a felony. So these serial theft or organized retail theft rings, they go in and they just...
And Lululemon and Louis Vuitton and malls and strip malls and suburbs and, you know, downtown San Francisco with impunity. And it doesn't matter how many times you've done it. You're off the hook because of the way the cow. And so.
In California, there is a ballot measure to reclassify that crime, and Gavin Newsom doesn't want to touch it until 2026. Oh, what a coincidence. Because he thinks it will activate a more conservative base in California, and they'll come out to vote for that law.
And then they'll end up voting for Republican candidates in some of those close House races. Ooh, yeah. We'd hate to have that happen. You mean he's thinking about it in terms of politics? Yes, only politics and not public safety. Exactly. So again, Kamala Harris is trying to say, well, look, I'm the person about freedom. But the idea that I'm going to get rid of meats, I just... There's nothing more personal than what you put in your body. And the government...
should be as far away from those decisions as possible. I really firmly believe that. And, you know, we don't think about it a lot. You know, there are people think, well, you know, they're fat people. So maybe we need to disincentivize obesity by controlling what people put in their body, which they will do more and more of because I'm
I guarantee you, if we have an ultra liberal, borderline progressive president, we will have more socialized medicine. And the more socialized medicine we have, that means the government is on the hook for it. The government is paying for it. So they will want more say on the kind of health care you receive. You know, Bernie Sanders is like carte blanche, like we'll cover everything but plastic surgery, everything just short of that. So that means that
Anyone would go to any specialist for any given thing. And, you know, doctors wouldn't have incentive to specialize because they're all essentially getting paid the same. But once the government is paying for your health care, they will make sure that you need less of it. You're listening to Jason in the House. We'll be back with more of my conversation with Kennedy right after this.
So you're totally right. I mean, the other thing that they seem to forget, it just seems like I don't think it's not just simply a blind spot. But every time the government makes money, it makes a decision to spend money. They're taking money out of somebody else's pocket and giving it to somebody else. And this whole idea and notion of taxes, I mean, it is a stereotype, right? Oh, liberals, Democrats, they want to tax more and spend more, right? Every solution is a government solution. Yes.
But this whole idea of freedom, heaven forbid that people be allowed to make their own decisions with their own wallets and their own money that they've earned. And so you look at, for instance, there's all tens of millions of people that are here illegally. So they essentially get invited here.
You're going to get free health care, Kamala Harris's view of the world. You're going to get free health care, free education. You even get a phone when you get here that you can go ahead and use. Why not throw on free housing? Yes. Well, okay, so we have a problem in this country with low-income housing. You can't tell me that when you put 10-plus million people into the system that that's not going to affect—
Well, when you already have a housing shortage because of the zoning laws and because the way states like California are set up, it's already difficult to afford housing when there is a dearth of housing.
When it has all been zoned for single family dwellings, which are the most expensive to build. And, you know, they did that because they didn't want high rise condominiums all over California. You know, they wanted tract developments, tract homes with, you know, little tiny dots of individual homes, which sounds great.
until you start to run out of inventory and you have more people than you've got homes for. And so the reason there's so many different types of homelessness in California is because, you know, the basic problem of needing to change the zoning laws so builders can build homes
more multifamily dwellings, that would alleviate the pressure on one aspect of homelessness. I mean, the other aspects, mental health crises and drug addiction, progressives don't touch satisfactorily. No, they don't. And
You are right. Regulation is not the sexiest thing to run on. It's probably not the biggest tier one, but it affects everything in terms of your costs of goods and businesses being able to provide the housing and other items and goods and services. I mean, businesses being able to get licensed.
You know, individual contractors being able to get licensed and having the freedom to do the kind of work you want. We really regulate people out of business. And, you know, one of the typical examples libertarians use is hair braiding because you have women who come from West African countries who are phenomenal at hair braiding. But places like New York and California want them to pay $5,000 to go to a full cosmetology program. That's the only way they can become licensed.
What immigrants who's already got a skill set can make money and pay taxes if they were just allowed to work? Who's got $5,000 to spend on cosmetology school when they're never going to massage people? They're never going to give facials. You know, they're never going to diagnose skin conditions. They just want to braid hair. Yeah, it's one of the examples of some of the silliness in terms of
And the reciprocity between other states. I think my home state now of Utah, they're doing a pretty good job actually of saying, hey, you've already got your license from another state. That's valid here. But California is notoriously bad at this. Yeah, they are. They want the fees to have to go through it. They want to supplement the schooling for all of it. I mean, a high tax...
high crime environment with lots of homelessness. And Gavin Newsom wants to pat himself on the back and run for president in 2028. It's interesting because he's the only Democrat who really wants Kamala Harris to lose. The others right now, Josh Shapiro, Gretchen Whitmer, they want her to do well because they want to be her VP nominee. They want to run hand in glove and help her over Trump Hill.
But Gavin Newsom is one person who wants her to fail, wants to run against four years of Trump so he can be president. But I don't see how his state survives another four years of Gavin Newsom. Yeah, I don't see Americans clamoring to be like California, other than the weather. I'll give them the weather. Yeah, but we can't all move there. No. No one can afford to. I mean, look at Elon Musk. So...
He just moved – and it's been a slow process, whether it's SpaceX or Tesla, of moving out of California and really kind of settling in Texas. But the bill that disallows schools from informing parents whether or not their children have changed pronouns pushed him out of the state. It is –
The idea that you're going to fight against parental rights and parental notification that they aren't a participant in their own child's – it's just unbelievable to me that we're even having these discussions. Yeah. I mean, but that's –
That's the problem. The pendulum has swung too far. And I think a lot of people look at that and they're exhausted by it because, you know, when the pendulum goes in that direction, they really need division in order to stay in power. And that's what they're selling. And people are really sick of that. And it's not just...
It's not just Republicans. There are a lot of Democrats who are really sick of the division and, you know, want to have whole families again and not be canceled by family members because they believe in free speech.
But you're never going to reset when you go that far. And I think the one thing that is working against Kamala Harris, other than her abysmal record, is that people are exhausted by the thought that we are going to separate ourselves even more with that kind of presidency. So last question, because I know you need to go. It's a combination of they're trying to wipe her record clean, right? She's trying to say,
Yeah, the economy's bad, but she had nothing to do with that. And immigration, she wasn't the border czar. Yeah, I love that. She wasn't. But she was the vice president of the United States. So if you're not involved in the biggest issues and then look at the foreign policy issues and the problems there, which way you're going.
She has been so beholden to the political winds as opposed to somebody who stands on principle. Well, I think that's why so many people responded to Bernie Sanders, because he seems like a decent principled person, even though he enjoys the spoils of capitalism more than probably anyone in Washington does.
But having said that, he does have... You feel like he stands for something. He does. And he believes in it. He's a man of conviction. I disagree with a lot of his political philosophy, but I can't fault him for believing in it and being driven by something. She's not that way. And I think that's a big, big flaw. Some politicians can kind of...
get around it and triangulate and you know the sell is hey but i'm a really great politician she's not like she's not bill clinton well look she started when she ran for president she was raising the most amount of money she was leading the polls everybody's like wow that was impressive she checks a lot of boxes and then she started showing up and talking and next thing you know andrew yang's beating her and she was in i think fifth place in the state her home state
of California was polling in single digits, for goodness sake. Well, that's because those who know you best, when they don't love you the most, there's something wrong with your record. That's why I feel good, because I know you love me. I do, Jason Chaffetz. I think you're a phenomenal person. And in fact, at Freedom Fest...
A week and a half ago, I was telling Justin Amash to read your book about the regulatory states. And we had a long conversation and he was like, hey, I really like Jason. Yeah, we work together occasionally on stuff. And so now Justin is running for Senate.
And he's in a tough primary race right now. And I hope he succeeds. And I hope he is the next senator from Michigan. Well, I appreciate your kind words. Always. I mean, I was really inspired by the research and the work that you put into it. And I know you lived it. And there's something very different about being in the belly of the beast and seeing the innards.
because it's not just a description, it's an experience. But then for you to break it down as simply as you did and you realize the importance of really tearing down the bureaucratic state. And I think the Chevron-Defrent Supreme Court decision helped. Amen to that. You can keep going. I'll give you extra time.
All right. So last question, 49ers or Raiders, which one are you? 49ers. So I grew up, I grew up in Portland. We didn't have a professional football team. You know, it's like you kind of decide, do you like the Mariners or sorry, do you like the Seahawks or do you like the 49ers? And my stepdad was born and raised a working class Irish Catholic family in San Francisco. He was,
worked pulling tickets for the 49ers as a kid. His dad was a custodian where the 49ers played and where they practiced. And so he saw pretty much every home game. And then I got to take him to the Super Bowl in 2020.
Which he had never been to a 49er Super Bowl. And we had like the best, funnest weekend ever. How cool are you doing that for... That's awesome. And you're wearing... It's a four-leaf clover, San Francisco 49ers in green. That's right. Yeah. Thanks for joining me. Jason Chaffetz. Always good to hang with Kennedy. You're a legend. Thank you. Thank you. See? I just love Kennedy. Her energy, enthusiasm. She's just one of my favorite people. But...
To contrast the smartness of Kennedy, it's time to bring on the stupid because you know what? There's always somebody doing something stupid somewhere. All right, so our crack team of producers here at Fox News on their podcast, they've come up with two that they highlighted with me. Oftentimes I find them, sometimes they find them. They found this one. These are the headlines. They're great ones. Baby bird rescued in Texas after being wrapped in a warm tortilla.
Yes, according to KHOU.com.
Channel 11. It's a great story. The baby bird was rescued in Texas panhandle, wrapped in a warm tortilla until wildlife experts arrived. A family found the Mississippi kite on the ground while outside barbecuing. They said it felt cold, so they heated up a tortilla on the grill and wrapped it around it. And that is unbelievable. So they took this baby... It was a baby barn owl. And...
I don't know why it says kite, but that is what it says. It says the Amarillo family called the Wild West Wildlife Rehabilitation Center for help. And they came in and helped. And you know what?
I put this under the category of stupid, but that was actually pretty innovative. I don't think that's necessarily stupid, but that was really quite innovative. So I'm going to give him a pass on that and say, no, not really, not really stupid, but you know what? A pretty amazing, hopefully successful story. But this one here, oof.
This one comes out of K-I-R-O-7. And the headline on this one's a great one because it says, Human Finger Found in Driveway Returned to Owner. So...
Wow. In Tacoma, they found this human finger and I don't have all the details on it. I just know that, yeah, whoops, we got a finger here. Somebody go get it. Can you imagine what their people are saying? Like, honey, go get a box or go get a Ziploc or I don't know what they did in order to get it done. But in a week worth of lots of stories, I thought those were two good ones. So...
All right. Let me just wrap up by saying this about what's going on in the presidential year. Stay tuned. Be involved. Be engaged. I know there are lots of things that will make your eyes roll. You won't believe about the other side or this side or what somebody said or what they didn't say. It's up and incumbent to us, the American people, to actually get out and vote.
And if you want to actually affect the difference, if you want to actually affect the change, what you need to do is be involved and engaged. You can't just be turned off on it and say, oh, not me. And when you get a chance to vote, vote and get out there and vote early. You want to vote in person? You can do that. You want to get your ballot in? Get your ballot in. If you wait till the last moment, you never know what kind of problems that might have. If you get to vote early, do it
Personally, I don't like early voting. Personally, I just wish everybody voted same day, same information in person with an ID. Paper ballots, you can do that. America, we could do that. But we got to deal with the laws and the rules that are here now on the books. And that's the reality of how these things are done. And as much as I don't like the way it's done,
You got to do it. So thanks again for listening to this Jason in the house podcast. A lot of volatility, but hey, that also makes talking things through a little bit more fun. So hoping you can rate this podcast would appreciate that.
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