Senator Tommy Tuberville: This Is What Senator J.D. Vance Is Like Behind Closed Doors 34:28

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All right, well, thanks for joining us on the Jason and House podcast. And we're at the Republican National Convention, and I'm thrilled to have Senator Tuberville from Alabama joining us. Hey, what a zoo. I mean, this is like an Alabama-Auburn game. I mean, people everywhere, media. I never dreamed it would just be this first one I've ever been to and enjoyed it. Oh, you've never been to one? Never been. I got to stand up and say Alabama. I'm representing Alabama, and we give all of our 50 delegates a Donald James Trump.

Or Donald John. Stick with Jay and it'll be fine. Yeah, yeah.

Don't get over my skis, right? That's right. Yeah. These things are amazing. I mean, the security around here. Oh. It's already tight. Yeah, especially after, what, Sunday? Yeah. But it unfortunately needs to be. And I've been to a couple of them before, and security's tight. But the first thing I've got to ask you about is one of your colleagues, J.D. Vance. Name the guy.

The vice presidential nominee. James David Vance. You sure? We sure? Yeah. He got that one? Yeah. First Marine to ever be vice president. Really? Yeah. I did not know that. And he achieved the American dream. He was poor as a church mouse, you know, coming up and, of course, wrote the book and very good movie, Ill Billy Epigee. And very smart, you know, and I...

I didn't know anything about J.D. when he came in the Senate about a year and a half ago, and right off the bat, he stood up and threw his opinion out right at Senator McConnell and several other of the guys that had been there forever. I said, looky here. I mean, this guy didn't come here to play. But he tells me, he said, he debates his wife all the time. You know, she's very, very smart. And he said, I've never won an argument. And I said, well, that's no different. Yeah, welcome to being married. Yeah, really. Yeah.

That's interesting. I didn't know about... I mean, I read Hillbilly FFG. It was unbelievable. His story, his rise, his overcoming insurmountable odds and a background that's... And I think that's ultimately what would make him a great vice president, perhaps a president someday. But is...

And certainly in comparison to Kamala Harris. You served with her as well, right? I hope they debate. Oh, yeah. I hope they debate. But she won't do it. She doesn't have the skills to do it. And not anything other than... But I think she'll end up having to do it, to be honest with you. If they stay in the ticket the way it is. Now, again, I don't think Joe Biden's out of the woods because it's not about his age or his health or how much money he and his family have been tied up to overseas. Not about any of that.

he's losing and if they pull him out will be the reason though well they're losing concert I can't figure out I was talking to somebody this morning what are they gonna run on I mean they were trying lawfare that's falling apart try putting the guy in jail yeah that ain't workin I'll yeah I'm pro-life state right now about and and you know we were very passionate about that and we've got the laws right in but

And I travel the country, as you have, and you hear people talking, and most people are, the Supreme Court got it right. We don't want judges making our decisions for us. We don't want politicians making our decisions. Let us vote on it. And you look at Kansas. Who would ever dream Kansas voted for, you know, so many weeks and abortion didn't pay.

That's the American way. Not that I agree with any of that. It's just give the people a right to vote for it. And they were going to run on that. But I don't think they got a leg to... That air is coming out of that one. Yeah. But that's the only thing, Jason. But they can't overcome this border situation. And I was at the Deering Gap a couple of weeks ago and went down. Really? You went down there? I went down to... I got to know Jose Molino, who is the new president of Panama. I went to the inauguration on July the 1st.

And he's going to close the Darien Gap. He said, number one, he said, there are too many of them staying in Panama. We can't afford them. And number two, there's just thousands that are coming across from Venezuela and other countries going straight to the border. And he knows it's a big problem for us. He wants to be friends with us. Now, the president before this was more on China's side. And we've got to protect that.

that canal down there. But I think he's going to be good. And but I was told I saw some operatives, CIA operatives when I was there that right now you got Venezuelans coming over. You got people from all other countries. He said they said the problem that we're having and we're going to have in the United States is a lot of people coming from Africa. You know, there's huge gang wars going on right now. He said the problem is a lot of them are ISIS and we don't know who they are.

And Joe Biden and the Democrats right now are allowing terrorists to come into our country, and we will pay the price. The American citizens are going to pay the price on this, but they act like it's nothing to it. We've just got to be compassionate for everybody. That's not right. Come here the right way. Secretary Mayorkas keeps telling us all the metrics are coming down. I mean, for three and a half years, they lectured us about how the border is secure, we have operational control.

And they're just trying to be as compassionate. You know, I just saw on the floor today some reporter from MSNBC was trying to grill Donald Trump Jr. on, hey, are you going to continue your separation of families? It's like, wait a sec, we have an obligation to protect those kids.

We don't know who they are. We have 100,000 unaccompanied minors. And they just let them out and hand them off to who knows. We don't have a clue where they're at. Yeah. And who they're with. Yeah. It breaks your heart. I mean, they have no plan for this. We can't afford it. It's cost us a billion a month to take care of them. Now they're all going to Social Security offices.

and signing up to vote and plus getting Medicaid or Medicare. And if they're old enough to get Social Security, we can't afford this. And I just I don't understand why Joe Biden's allowed Obama and the people behind the scenes to run this country like this because Joe Biden's not doing this. I mean, we know that, you know, what and I know it and I've seen him. I mean, it doesn't, you know, just bless his heart. He's 81 years old and he's got problems, mental problems. He's sick.

Yeah, I don't think it's as much as age, it's just the decline in his mental and physical capabilities.

I know people that are 90 that are Sprite and with it and can, you know. Chuck Grassley. He's 90 years old. I mean, my God, we'll have an all-night boat-a-rama and he's hanging in better than I am, you know. And Chuck, you're doing all right. I'm going to be here long after you're gone, son. That's what he'll always say. He's a good guy. But we're going to hate to lose J.D. Vance. I'm telling you, he's one of the young stars.

And I talked to President Trump about him this morning. He called me about 7 o'clock. He was still a little undecided. I think he was leaning that way, but a little undecided. Really? Even up until this morning? Well, I mean, he's done it the right way. You know, he has given me all the opportunity to go out and speak on the stump for him. And he listens to them and spent a lot of time with them, you know, either on the plane, flying to an event or whatever. And, you know, he's done it the right way. And he told me...

you know, and he was looking at four or five people and, uh, yeah. And so we hung up his phone. I thought he was going to give me some kind of idea. He said, well, I appreciate your, your advice. You and I always have good conversations on the golf course. And so I didn't know until about one 30 that who it was going to be. So, but life changer for JD life change. Oh, it's unbelievable. Yeah. Yeah.

But the things he's gone through and seen and experienced, I mean, he's seen more life on both sides of the tracks than just about anybody. And again, he's on top of his game. He works at it.

He's not a politician. I'll tell you that. And that's what I liked about him. He come in kind of like me, kind of came from a different background. And, and, and, you know, I think that's going to, that's going to help him fit in with President Trump because President Trump, you know, he didn't care anything about politics. He won't do what's right for the American people. Yeah.

Yeah. No, these are people that put America first and believe in it, making America great again. And it was just a wonderful pick. I mean, I think you could have made the case for any one of those finalists, you know, from Tim Scott to Marco Rubio. Rubio. Yeah. Burgum. I thought the president was looking at him pretty strong. He just kept hearing about it. But people...

But I trust a couple of people around President Trump and it's his caddies, golf caddies. His coach, I always remember, he'll come from left field on you. Don't listen to all this rhetoric out there, people picking names and this and that. He will, he and he only will make the decision along with information from other people. But it could be anybody. So.

A caddy would know, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Hey, sir, you want to hit it to the right about you? Oh, yeah. No, I'm not. And they hear him talking on the phone and talking with people at lunches. You know, I got a chance to golf with him. Yeah.

I don't know what your handicap is, but I guarantee you mine's higher. Mine's not as good as yours. I play golf all my life, and I enjoy playing with him because, I mean, he's a competitor. He's good. And another thing I like playing with him, he played speed golf. Oh, yeah. Hit and run, hit and run, hit and run. Well, there was one time where he hit a drive, and my ball and his ball couldn't have been, they were about five inches from each other. I mean, literally those balls were just hit. So he looks down, figures out that his ball's on the right. So on mine, he just kicked it.

He just went off to the side. Well, he takes his shot and then he gets in the car and goes. Oh, yeah. And I was so scared because I'm like, I'm teeing up to make this shot, you know, and we're out about it. You don't hit the ex-president of the United States. Yeah. Well, it was while he was president, this first car. Oh, really? Oh, it was? Yeah. And this is a par four. So I'm going to hit my second shot and I'm like...

please be with me. Don't hit him. Because he's still driving away. And I'm like, okay, let's let him keep getting... But I don't want to slow down the game. Because next thing you know, it's not like he's going to stop. He was on the green. I ended up not being on the green. But I thought, he's just going to go and he'll putt out before I even take this... I was so afraid of taking that next shot. Oh, yeah. And I'm watching the debate. And we're sitting there with my wife. And it was going... Joe was...

struggling. And we also, that's an understatement. And president Trump did, I think the rules helped him and kind of kept him a muscle a little bit. And he let him, let him talk.

And then he brought up golf. I said, uh-oh. That's a bridge too far. Don't go after golf, Mr. President Biden, because, I mean, he will go after you because that's his passion, his golf. Well, for Biden to claim that he was a six, that is such a lie. There's no way he's ever a six. Maybe two strokes a hole and still win. Yeah, he told him he put all this money up for charity. And I remember we got onto the green.

And it was probably a 12-foot putt. And I said, oh, Mr. President, you got that. He looked at me. He was kind of mad. He was not mad, but, you know, he's looking at me like, you don't think I can make this, do you? He's like, watch this. Drains it. Then he takes, picks up the ball, goes and drops it on another part of the green. He says, I'm really good at putting. And he does. He doesn't warm up. He doesn't line it up. He just gets up there. Nailed it. And I'm like, okay, you are great.

You are really good. You can tell it's passionate when you come as close to death as you can come on Sunday. And in Monday, you're playing 18 holes in the morning at 9 o'clock. And...

And making jokes. You know, he made a joke. He made a 20-foot putt and said, yeah, I have a lot better aim than the guy yesterday or something like that. Yeah, it was all over Twitter. I'm thinking, holy cow. Wow. I mean, that really was a scary moment. Because I was at Fox. I was about to host the show that was coming on next. We're watching the TV. And when he went down...

You just didn't know if he was going to get back up. Your whole show changed, didn't it? Yeah. And I'm just glad the whole country didn't change because I shudder to think what would have happened to him personally. And, you know, I still...

As amazing and as iconic as that moment was, I still, my heart just breaks for that young family. You know, you've got a firefighter. Firefighter. Yeah. Said he's covering his two daughters. And I heard, you know, I was watching it, and I heard somebody scream. Yeah. And I knew that scream was somebody to the right. And everybody was looking over and said, oh, my God, somebody's got hit. Yeah. And that was a...

Were you there? No, no, no, no. I was watching on television and just heard the scream. That blood-curdling scream. Yeah. It was, yeah, because it happened just a little bit after. And I don't know, the two people that are in critical condition, I hope, I mean, their lives are going to be changed. Yeah, and Ronnie Jackson, you know Ronnie. Yeah. Yeah, his nephew got grazed. Yeah, he showed me the picture. He did. And...

And, you know, it's not overly dramatic, but how close that young boy, I don't know how old he is. He's like 20 or something. But that's still, it's just a scary moment. It should have never happened. Oh, yeah. I've introduced him to several people.

those rallies and he's been to Alabama twice and you know, they're big deals and I always go backstage after he's out there sometimes even leave, you know, because when he's done, he's out the gate. Right. I've always wondered that there wasn't much secret service there. You'd think, well, there ought to be more here. But I guess when you're not president, you know, you get some but you don't get as many. I got a feeling now there's

There's going to be a lot more presence. Well, like RFK Jr., I mean, for where he's polling and the family history and everything. Oh, he should have had. That's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. No, and then there's the case of Robert O'Brien, the former national security advisor. You know, he's on what intelligence is telling him. He's in the top five in terms of the chatter online, not just people on Twitter. I'm talking intelligence chatter online.

that, you know, he was in the room, he was National Security Advisor when they took out Soleimani and the Iranians want to kill him. And there are agents here in the United States. And for the first time publicly, I knew that Secretary Mayorkas had taken away the detail. But he had the detail for a long time, but...

Then they took it away from him, even though the threat level didn't go down. And I just think, why? Why are you doing this? You're like me, though. You've seen on Capitol Hill how many people are running around with all these black SUVs and all these Secret Service people or Capitol Hill cops that don't need... It's more of an ego situation. Yeah, but a guy like Robert O'Brien is a legitimate target. When the intelligence services are telling you you are a top five target,

You've got to take that seriously. And I'll tell you, we've got a huge mental health problem. It's obvious. A 20-year-old kid climbs a building and shoots the former president of the United States. I mean, you're thinking, man, how far have you gone? You know, we lost him somewhere. And it's just unfortunate. But...

I think there's still a lot more to that story. A lot of unanswered questions. When I was chairman of the House Oversight Committee, we did a really deep dive. Uh-oh. We have coming up to us. Come here. Come here.

All rise, Congressman Trey Gowdy has suddenly joined us on this podcast. He cleans up nice, doesn't he? Coach, when I heard him, he begins almost every sentence with, when I was chairman of the House Oversight Committee. So I woke up and that's exactly what he's saying. Trey is my third favorite former chairman of the House Oversight Committee. Third favorite. It's good to see you. Thank you for doing this. Very few people are willing to sit down with him, so I'm grateful that you would be willing to do it.

Trey Gowdy and I were chatting before because we were on judiciary together. We were on oversight together. And we weren't out carousing at night. So I spent, for eight years, more hours per day with Trey Gowdy than just about any... I mean, when you're both on the same committee...

And you're doing all that. I'd see him in the morning. We were office dwellers. We slept in our offices. So I'd see him in the house gym. Then I'd see him in committee. Then I'd see him on the floor. Then I'd go out to dinner with the guy. Oh, yeah. But this is what disappoints me, Jason, being up there now three and a half years in the Senate.

We never get to the bottom of anything. We always have good intentions, but a lot of these people either won't testify or you can't get them to answer a question. And we can't get to the bottom of things that we should get to the bottom of, like this thing this past weekend.

I don't think we'll ever hear anything from now. It'll go to the floor and there'll be questions asked, but that'll be in there. - They'll have a hearing. Look, when I was chairman of the oversight committee, we had so many things going wrong with the Secret Service. We had identified more than 150 security incidents

In a very bipartisan way with Elijah Cummings, we did a bipartisan investigation, a number of hearings, countless number of depositions and transcribed interviews. We had more whistleblowers in the Secret Service than any other department and agency.

And it was an agency in crisis. We ended up issuing a bipartisan 450-page report. And I guarantee you, when we go through the after-action report, if you will, of this incident, it's going to be those same things we identified nine years ago that are the same problems today. Oh, yeah. Recruitment, training, operational control, the ability for an agent to call something out. And when an incident happens, everybody starts talking.

And then you can't hear anything on your radio. Right. So, well, the direct difference you can tell from President Biden and President Trump is this. All you have to do is go back, look at President Trump. If somebody didn't do their job, he fired them. Yeah, they were gone. Yeah. And some high profile people and whether they need it or not. I mean, he took people accountable.

Not one person. Well, I will take that back. There's one person that's been fired, and that's that guy that's dressing up and stealing luggage at airports and stuff. The easiest one they can pick. Yeah, in charge of nuclear. Nuclear cleanup and all that. But nobody after Afghanistan. This Secret Service lady. How does President Biden stand up there and say nobody died?

While I was president. Well, you know right then, you've got to say, he doesn't know what he's talking about. He can't remember five minutes. He's living in an alternative universe. He is. Is he going to run or not? I still maintain that I don't think Biden will be the nominee. No. Again, it's not all that other stuff. It's about he can't win. A year and a half I've been talking about. But who are they going to, they're between a rock and a hard place. They've got to run Kamala. Yeah, I don't know how you bypass Kamala Harris. They can't do it. You know, James Claiborne said that ain't going to happen.

And, you know, he runs that show. He got Biden elected, you know, from South Carolina. He ran that show. And so.

And I don't think she can win. And it's not because of her race. It's not because of her gender. She's incompetent. Yeah. Well, I've been to the border once. I mean, and that's the biggest, in our lifetime, that's the biggest misjustice to the American people is what's happened at that border. And decades we're going to be dealing with this. We're going to hear these horrific stories of these trafficked, you know, 14-year-old girls that are going to be

horrific and they better get the type of exposure. Yeah. Even they, Christopher Ray, you know, he FBI director said it's coming. I mean, does anybody in 1600 Pennsylvania, are y'all listening to the FBI director that we are in trouble? Yeah. You can't make it up what's going on, but hopefully we only have five more months of them.

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I can't get through talking with you without talking football. Come on, coach. So let's go back to JD Vance. I mean, you've seen him up close and personal. You get the, is it Wednesday? You have lunches, right? Give us a little more color, a little more insight. What's his strength? What does he do? Like,

Katie Bailey, she used to work with me. Maybe I shouldn't mention her by name on air, but she works for Senator Braun. She's like legislative director for Braun. She's like, that J.D. Vance staff, they are so good, so organized, and so aggressive. Like, they really get after it. And she's been telling me that for months. And I know she's highly competent. I know Senator Braun, soon to be Governor Braun, is highly competent. Right, right.

When you kind of think of JD and you see him up close in personal work, I mean, the country's still getting to know him. What should they know about him? Well, the one thing you'll find out about JD is he's not a politician. He did go to Yale. He's a lawyer.

What I like about him, and when he first got there, you know, I'm a football coach. You know, I don't know a lot about the law. Now I've learned a whole lot in three and a half years because we've grinded at it. We've learned polish and all those things. The thing I liked about J.D., he came in right off the bat, and he went after some of the upper echelon in our caucus meetings about certain policies and explained it where, okay,

That's pretty damn good, what he just said. And he wasn't shooting off the hip. You knew that he had done his background work. Right.

And he's a great communicator. And he'll communicate well with President Trump. And to me, that's the whole thing. If you can communicate, it's like being a football coach. And what you have to do is you've got to sell yourself to players when you recruit them. You've got to sell yourself to the parents. Same thing when you're in politics. If you're trying to push a bill, and he's been trying to push this safety bill since the wreck that they had in Ohio, the train wreck.

he's been, I'm not on board with him on that one, but he's, but he, we will sit down and he'll explain, explain this and that, why we need it. And he just a good communicator and he doesn't skip, uh,

you know, the good and the bad. He'll tell you, okay, now, this doesn't do this, okay? But, you know, I'm going to tell you one, too, and I'm one of those. I have not been for the Ukraine war. Ukraine can't win. And we've gotten a lot of people killed that we shouldn't have. And it's going to get us in the World War. Now, I'm not a Putin fan. He should have never done this. And I've been over in Ukraine several times, talked to Zelensky. They're shooting from the hip over there and getting a lot of people killed, but

We wasn't there. J.D. wasn't there a month. He stood up in the caucus meeting, and he had even some of the neocons in there that had been pushing all this. Okay, that's pretty good news.

pretty good explanation and so it's all about communicating and selling yourself and then selling your ideas and what you believe in right and he's very good at it that's interesting all right i want to transition from that point into football here for a second always fascinated by different coaches approach you know and it gets to be you know a president is trying to run a massive bureaucracy but when you're a coach you know you

It moves so fast. I know on television it seems like, oh, we got to, you know, we got 25 seconds. But man, you got to make some decisions pretty darn quickly.

When you're calling defense and you're calling offense, how do you do that successfully? Have you done different models? Did you call the plays? I was a defensive guy. I never really called offensive plays, so I stayed more on the defensive side of the ball. I coached University of Miami back in the glory days when Trent Dilfer beat me for opening game one year. He won the Heisman Trophy. But that being said,

You do most of your work in the summer. The thing about football is you can go back and look at film. You can make game plans for every game that you're getting ready to play against your opponents. Now, then you're going to get two or three films from that opponent for that year. They're a little bit different personnel. Look how they've changed. But almost everything's called and scripted before the game starts, depending on down and distance, short yardage, long yardage.

personnel you put in the game, who they throw it to, what they like to do. You play all the percentages. There's no guesswork in it. There's some people. Spurrier was a good friend of mine. He shot me up all the time. He's a good football coach. Is that harder to coach against? It's harder to coach because you don't know where he's coming from. He might change everything. And so that was hard. But most people are kind of scripting what they're going to do. And NFL is really like that. I mean, when they go into a game, offense and defense, you know, the

they know the plays they're going to run, you know, what part of the field are going, what personnel is going to be in there because they know what the other team is going to do pretty much, you know, they'll play, they'll play percentages. So it's all about doing your work all year. Coaching is not just a week of a game. I mean, you were like right now, these coaches are working, breaking down film, looking at every opponent they're going to play and putting that first game plan together. And then they'll put it all away and they'll take them out one at a time and

and look at that punter playing. Okay. Have they changed? What's their different personnel, but usually it's the same. An old dog never changes, uh, you know, his tricks, you know? And so, uh,

It's pretty much scripted when you go in. Now, if you recall, I told you I was a place kicker at Brigham Young University. I never liked kickers. I'm just... I'm used to it. Yeah, we were only the leading scorer on the team. Oh, yeah. It was so funny because Lavelle Edwards was my coach. Lavelle and I were good friends. We played a lot of golf together. Oh, he loved golf. Oh, he loved golf. He loved golf. Well, he...

We went out to practice and said, all right, I want to try the fake field goal, which was basically ball went to the snapper, snapper pitches it to me, I roll right and hit the tight end, right? I tried it one play and I threw it over his head. He said, all right, let's try it to the left. So it comes back to the snapper. I go left, snapper pitches it to me. I throw it, drilled it into the ground. So he does this. He's waving his finger at me. Come here.

puts his hand on both my shoulders. He leans into me and he says, I will never, ever call that play. Would you win the game? He said, I can put Ty Demmer in that game and have him throw it or I can have you do that.

Don't even worry about it. Don't dream about it. Don't anything. Ty looked like a kicker, by the way. What? Ty looked like a kicker. You know, big shoulder pads flopped around. Hey, boy, he bought $1.60, $1.70. On a generous day. Yeah, if you've gone to McDonald's. We couldn't tackle that kid when I was at Miami. He was so wily. Oh, man, he was elusive. Now, for those of you who listen to the podcast every week, we did a Senator Tuberville, and I followed up.

And when I got off, you said, be sure to tell Ty that story you told me on the previous podcast. So I actually called Ty, and he was laughing. He had the biggest smile on his face. And he's down in Arizona being an athletic director for a group of schools down there. Whenever I see him, I say, you remember me, Ty? I won the Heisman Trophy for you. I couldn't stop you. National TV, first game, and we couldn't stop him. Well, I like what you told me about.

coming in at halftime saying, hey, we got a problem. What are you going to do about it, coach? Yeah, well, the head coach comes to me and says, hey, what's going on? I says, here's what's going on. We've already been out there like 50 plays, and you're only out on the field normally 60 plays the entire game. I said, number one, we can't stop him, and number two, y'all can't make a first down. We better change something here or we're going to lose this game, and we did. And for those of you who can remember back in 1990, this was like,

An amazing game. Thrilling game. First game of the season. And BYU won the game. And we're ranked number one going in. Yeah. And Ty Detmer ended up winning the Heisman Trophy. But I'm convinced like you are. He won it in that game. Because it was broadcast everywhere. Everybody saw it. Playing the number one team. And it was an amazing, thrilling game. We gave up like 30 points. And we didn't give up 30 points the rest of the year. Yeah. Amongst everybody. And that's how good he was. Yeah.

Lavelle was the engineer of really the passing game in college football years ago. He and Howard Snellenberger. And Lavelle was hard to stop because they talked to quarterback. When it came to line of scrimmage,

If the play don't work, you change it to this. They were like computers on the field. Now they don't do that. Everybody signals it in, and if they don't like it, they look at the sideline, and they signal in another play. They've taken all that out. Now the NFL still does that, but college football doesn't do much of it. Yeah. I could do a whole other thing on just football and NIL and all that, but that's for another time. Yeah, what a mess that is. My goodness. Yeah. To have it.

Pay a kid to come in and to recruit him? Yeah. What kind of check are you going to send me there, coach, so I can even consider your potential to come? I talked to one coach in the SEC this year. We play a lot of golf together. One of the successful coaches. I said, tell me you didn't do it. He said, yeah, I did. He said, quarterback makes $1.9 million.

He's got another year, but he's probably gonna go pro. So he goes to him and says, "What do I gotta give you to get you to stay one more year?" He goes, "Well, if you give me my 1.9 and a Lamborghini, I'll stay." And guess what?

He's playing again next year for the Georgia Bulldogs. And he's driving a nice Lamborghini. Black and red Lamborghini. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. That's changed from... No. That can't be fun for him. There used to be some cars and stuff given, but they weren't that expensive a car. And it was illegal to do, by the way. So...

Jason, good to be on with you. Senator, thank you so much for joining us on Jason and I's podcast. Do appreciate it. Next four months will be interesting. Grab a hold and hold on. Exactly. Tell people it's going to be interesting. Listen to ad free with a Fox News podcast plus subscription on Apple podcast. And Amazon Prime members can listen to this show ad free on the Amazon Music app.

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