Seamus Bruner Exposes The Influence Of The Billionaire Class 57:08

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Those of you that like accountability, those of you that like behind the scenes, what's going on, pulling back the hood, pulling back the curtains to see who is doing what and all the crazy stuff that's going on. We got somebody you're really going to like. I was introduced to him via the Government Accountability Institute, which is run by Peter Schweitzer. I'm affiliated with that group.

But he's one of these hardcore researchers that dives deep into the computer and gets lost in these rabbit holes and unearths all kinds of things. His name is Seamus Bruner. He's got a brand new book just launched, just launched, called Controligarks. Clever name. And we're going to have a chat with him a little bit about what he does, how he does it. But the guy does amazing research and he dives into the likes of, you know,

Bill Gates and Zuckerberg and all of these names that you kind of hear and see, but you wonder, what's really going on back there? We're going to talk to him. We're going to

Have some thoughts on the news because you know there's always somebody doing stuff out there. And then of course the stupid, which is I got a little ahead of myself. There's always somebody doing stupid somewhere. So we're going to highlight the stupid and then we'll get on the horn with Seamus. So let's start with some things in the news. First of all,

I was really glad to see earlier a very bipartisan group gathering there in Washington, D.C. in favor of Israel and the Jewish community to be able to live in peace and harmony without terrorist attacks that go out and kill 1,400 people.

the idea that we even have to have a discussion about this in this country is pretty shocking unto itself but what i did like what i did see on the mall there in washington dc with tens of thousands of people is uh very bipartisan uh people on both sides of the aisle leader of both beat leaders within both parties um even though you have some outliers who cry and

and say they want to cease fire. No, don't hurt us. We'll just kill you. The clarity of having a bipartisan support of Israel's right to exist, I thought was really good. Other things I want to touch on. Now, get out the vote. We had an election recently and Republicans thought they should do a little bit better.

Gosh, we heard the same thing back in 2022 and you can kind of foreshadow that 2024 might be the same type of thing. You just think I think conservatives or Republicans are looking at the equation saying, oh, my goodness, you know, all the issues are behind us. Republicans claim to be on the right side of inflation, government spending, the immigration debate, inflation, the economy,

safety on crimes in your streets, the wars that are raging on in the world. I mean, what policy can the Democrats possibly glob onto that they think can drive their issues forward? Now, they do pick ballot initiatives. They go after, for instance, abortion or marijuana rights or something like that. And that does drive a good group of people to the poll,

the polls where that is their number one issue but i wrote an op-ed for fox news and it was i feel very strongly about this there are things out there that conservatives and republicans just don't understand about how good the democrats are getting out they work all year on this they don't just show up an election year and say hey let's get the neighbors together and let's go vote no no no no no

What Joe Biden did as president on March 7th of 2021, been in office roughly 45 days at that point. Voila, he had this very comprehensive, well-written out, because they'd been working on it before, executive order. It's number 14019. And what it said was, we're going to get out the vote by leveraging all the federal employees and all the federal assets and all the infrastructure

to get out the vote. Now on the surface it sounds so good, let's get out the vote. You know, everybody should vote in this country. Nobody's going to argue against those things.

But what we should all be concerned about is Joe Biden was very candid in this executive order and that he was going to target low propensity voters. That is people within the voting blocks that traditionally vote Democrat, and they're going to push to get them registered to vote, get them vote and help them get their ballot in the box

These include people in prisons. These include certain ethnic people of ethnic persuasions. Interesting. It talks about Hispanics, talks about African-Americans, doesn't mention Asian-Americans, which I thought was interesting, which aren't a sure bet like the like the other groups that are taken for granted by the Democratic Party. And what they do is they can leverage.

and come up with plans on how they're gonna do this. So 600 departments and agencies within federal government, all this flowed through and up to Susan Rice. I detailed this in my book, The Puppeteers. For those of you who read Puppeteers, this is not new information. But we saw it in action. Here's the problem. Okay, here's why it becomes a real big issue. They're leveraging your taxpayer dollars. They're spending untold millions of dollars to do this.

And they have insider information. They have data on who these people are. Are they registered to vote? Are they not registered to vote? Do they get food stamps? Do they not get food stamps? Are they in jail? Are they not in jail? Are they all of these types of metrics and things are in place, but they don't share it with anybody else.

In fact, there were Freedom of Information Act requests put in from the government to say, hey, what are your plans? What are you doing? Since it was such a good thing that the president said it was so imperative, it's such a good thing. We get out the vote when anybody asks, well, OK, well, those plans that were developed, what are they? Well, what are you going to do? Can can we use those resources to?

Oh, no, no, no, no. The president has refused to fulfill those Freedom of Information Act requests and in court has been arguing that there's executive privilege, which is a whole other level, saying, no, this is the president's plan. This is what the president can do. He personally is reviewing this information. Therefore, it is too sensitive and cannot be released to the public as whole. Yet it's a plan to get you to vote if you're one of the Democrats' chosen groups.

That's some scary stuff, folks. That should be first and foremost out there and really needs to be dealt with. And the other thing I wanted to highlight real quick in the news is this. I feel bad. I think her name is Vicki Baker. There's an interesting court case that's happening in McKinney, Texas.

There was a raid on her home. Now, she wasn't involved. They were following a suspect, but it got pretty violent and they really had to tear up her home with, you know, like an armored vehicle. I don't know all the details, okay? I just know that she detailed with receipts $59,000 in damage to her home. No fault of herself, of her own. They weren't going after her. They were going after a suspect who ended up being involved in that home.

And she's like, I can't afford the $59,000 because it was a government action. It's not covered by our insurance. And she's looking around saying, what should I do? So she sued to try to get the money. But the courts have ruled, no, it was law enforcement action. They don't have to reimburse you.

i just really feel for i think it should be that's something we really got to look out again because it's one thing if you're barricading your own home and your law enforcement wants to talk to you get with you for whatever legitimate reason out there that's a whole different scenario but if it's not somebody in that and they damage your home that's the homeowners they got to take care of that that that's that just doesn't seem right to me all right time to bring on

The stupid, because you know what? There's always somebody doing something stupid somewhere. All right, so if you heard of the FDIC, you ever gone to your bank or credit union and seen that, oh, your money is safe. You put your money in this financial institution, it's safe. Because the FDIC, I think it's Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. I think that's what they call it. I think that's what FDIC is.

They are the ones that are out there doing the inspections on these credit unions, the banks, whatnot. Make sure your money's safe. The report's coming out on foxnews.com about the party atmosphere, what the inspector general is out there finding about them partying, these lewd acts that are going on, people. It's crazy town at the FDIC. What should be, what appears on the surface to be the most benign thing

accountants like group out there ends up to being some hardcore partiers. Now, not all of them. We're not here to disparage all of them, but this culture of wow, just incredibly lewd things. They win our award for doing something really, really stupid.

All right, let's jump into it with Seamus, though. We came to talk to Seamus because Seamus knows how to get it done. He's one of those great guys who pours his heart and soul, dives deep on issue, finds facts, develops a fact pattern, and he does it old school. Old school. And so I think you're going to be fascinated by this discussion. So let's give a call to Seamus Bruner. Hello? Hey, Seamus, Jason Chaffetz.

Jason, good to hear your voice. Glad to speak with you. Thank you so much. I'm so glad that you joined us on this Jason in the House podcast. I was just with you recently, and I was so excited for you because this new book you've got coming out, and I just thought, I know you would, but I just had to ask you to come on because I

I met you through the Government Accountability Institute, of which I'm associated as well, and you just do amazing work. I've seen you a couple times on Fox, maybe not a household word at this point, but you're just one of those guys that loves to dive deep and has this curiosity, but also has the smarts to figure out how to dig up all these stuff. You're like an oversight dream. I just love it. I think it's great. Yeah.

It's an honor to be with you and you're an oversight legend, so I'm lucky. And yeah, it was great to see you and I'm very excited to talk about what's in the book. You're the first podcast I'm doing and I'm just happy to be here. Yeah. Now look, in terms of, there are people that always, they just, they have this curiosity, but they also have the knowledge, like how to dig deep. So

Talk for a moment about the book, but then I want to go, we're going to dive into your background and how you got here, but tell people the title of the book, what you were trying to get out and what are they going to see? Cause it's a nice big thick book with all kinds of, you know, uh, understanding of where it came from, but what were you trying to do? And, uh, you know, what, what are people going to see or hear when they, when they get this book?

So the title is Control-O-Garks. It's a portmanteau of the word control and oligarchs. And these are the billionaires plotting and scheming to dominate every aspect of your life. It's the exposing the billionaires, their secret deals, and the globalist plot to dominate your life. So on the cover, we've got Bill Gates front and center. You've got

Meta's Mark Zuckerberg. You've got Amazon's Jeff Bezos. You've got, of course, George Soros. And his son, Alex Soros, didn't make the cover, but this is really about the passing of the torch from George to his much, much younger son, Alex. And you've got Klaus Schwab, the secretive founder of the World Economic Forum in Davos.

So go ahead. I was just going to say, we, you know, we see these guys keep popping up time and again. I mean, we're the Government Accountability Institute and we are proud capitalists here. So what are a bunch of big corporate titans doing on the cover of a book about government corruption? Well,

You know, when we we look into government corruption, we find time and again, you find people like Soros are putting their fingers on the scales of justice and of, you know, in the in the House, in the Senate. Bill Gates is personally lobbying senators like Joe Manchin on Joe Joe Biden's climate bill type stuff. And so really at the Government Accountability Institute, our motto is to follow the money. And in this book, we followed it all the way to the top.

So let's go a little deeper on George Soros, right? I think a lot of concerned Republicans, conservatives, they would look at it and say, oh, he's awful. He's terrible. But then if you try to ask, well, okay, why? Like, what's he doing that's so awful?

I mean, he's participating in the political process. He's funding a lot of groups and organizations that maybe conservatives or Republicans don't like. But what is he doing behind the scenes? Like, what's his goal? I mean, does he hate America? Like, what's he doing that is so, you know, causes a lot of red flags to go up?

Well, yeah. So, you know, I had always heard growing up and I mean, he's been a villain, a boogeyman of the right for so long that he just, you know, just is kind of there. And you hear all these, you know, conspiracy theories and all of these things about George Soros. At the end of the day, these guys are about making money. Of course, he's made billions and billions of dollars speculating on currency. He's known sometimes as the man who

broke the bank of England because he'll short a country's currency. Um, he did that in, uh, Asia caused an Asian financial crisis and he kind of operates, uh, in some ways as a quasi governmental entity all around the world. Uh, he's really big in Ukraine and he, he sets up these NGOs. He calls it his open society, uh, foundations. And that sounds great. I mean, who's, who's not in favor of an open society, but then he, uh,

uses that money to and these foundations to sort of exert his political will in various countries like Ukraine. I mean, the the stuff. But in the United States, I mean, we're not we're not Ukrainian. So what do we care about in the United States? Something that some have heard of, many have heard of, others have not is his buying of

the prosecutors the you know the district attorney's he pours enormous sums of money into these sort of local jurisdictions in in these prosecutor races which doesn't cost a whole lot of money to get your guy in and then those prosecutors

are responsible for the soft on crime policies. And so, uh, when you see the looters or the, the BLM rioters getting just slaps on the wrist or people being let out of prison or the elimination of cash bail, these are all Soros prosecutors most of the time. And, and, uh,

I mean, then he uses his prosecutors, for example, in this coming up election, the 2024 election to go after political opponents. So Alvin Bragg is a Soros prosecutor, the Manhattan D.A. who has charged Donald Trump. I mean, after Donald Trump had declared his candidacy. And so that, you know.

in some senses he is participating in the political process. That's not a bad thing. Using your money to, uh, exert your, you know, political preferences. That's not necessarily a bad thing. But then when, you know, these prosecutors are sort of undermining the rule of law, ironically, um, that is sort of a bad thing. And, um, you know, we look into the prosecutors. Another thing we look into is he's got a very, uh,

pro-abortion stance always has so he funds a lot of these groups and Like like he'll give money to a Planned Parenthood action to make sure that you can abort a baby right up to the moment of birth and you know, I People can have their opinions on pro-life or pro-choice But I think a lot of people think it's an ideological battle what many people don't know This is one of the bigger bombshells in the book is there's actually a profit motive to

abortion and George Soros is was actually invested in some of the companies that especially a pharmaceutical company that profits from these pills that that you know women take to abort their babies, so You know, there's there's there's a mix of ideological and political motives with George Soros and

You know, that he's got a mountain of wealth. He's passing it on to his son, Alex. And we're capitalists again. We don't have any problem with mountains of wealth, but using it for sort of these undermining the rule of law and these, you know, anti-life, you know, pro-choice, as they call it, policies. That's sometimes what we do have a problem with.

So let's understand kind of Seamus here a little bit. You know...

What do you look for when you want to do, like, oversight? You want to dive deep into something. I think a lot of people say, oh, I just go on Google and I just Google it, you know. But Google itself is somewhat tainted, given the algorithms on the search engines. You know, you try to type in an organization like The Federalist and you're going to have a really – you're not going to see The Federalist articles pop up on a Google search. You have to, like, go to The Federalist and then search on there.

So when you're doing research, like what your perspective, what piques your interest? What are you looking for when you're like,

All right. I think I want to write this book. You don't just take the famous faces. You kind of start from the bottom up. How do you do that? What's the process? So I'll start with a little bit of my background and then how I got linked up with Peter Schweitzer, who taught me everything I know about how to do this kind of research. He's a brilliant, brilliant mentor and so grateful, grateful to him for everything he's taught me. I went to college in

and studied political science, thought I wanted to get into politics. I actually studied Mandarin, thought I might want to be a lobbyist for China. So that gives you an idea how misguided I was. A lobbyist for China? That gives you an idea how misguided I was a decade ago.

I didn't know anything I knew about China today working for Peter Schweitzer. So that was then. Then in college, I volunteered for this guy, Peter Schweitzer. I heard he was into politics, was really all I had heard. I was like, okay, maybe this would be a good guy to volunteer for. And within a year of working for Peter Schweitzer, he...

disabused me of all notions that I had learned in college about, you know, China's our partner and all of that kind of stuff. And we started following the money. The book I worked on first for Peter was called Throw Them All Out.

And that was the beginning of learning that, yeah, I don't want to go into politics. I would like to stay on the outside and investigate the people on both sides. We're a nonpartisan institute, so we do go after both sides.

and just investigate how they're using cronyism and corruption to enrich themselves. And so the next book after Throw Them All Out, I mean, there was one called Extortion, but the book I really love and I look at is kind of where I cut my teeth on the following. The money was Clinton Cash.

And that was where we blew the lid off of the Clinton Foundation. And I was still a pretty young researcher for Schweitzer at that time. So they gave me the task of going through all thousand years

thousands of pages of the Clinton Foundation IRS 990 tax forms, tax filings. And these are hundreds of pages because the Clinton Foundation does just that much good in the world. And in these IRS 990, that's sarcasm if it didn't come through. So in these 990s, to their credit, I will say to the Clinton's credit, they disclosed every single donor to their foundation. And

But they come in this not searchable sort of very ugly form. So following the money is a very hard task. It's why you see or don't see a lot of journalists doing it these days. It's a slog. So I had to manually one by one, row by row, take Saudi Arabia, $10 million, put the date, put the year,

the country of origin, the location of the donor. And I built this spreadsheet. I called it the Clinton Cash Trail. And now I build a cash trail for every investigation that I do. And I just start putting the money figures in there and ended up with thousands of rows. I put all of Bill Clinton's speech payments in there because it took us a while to crack the code on the Clintons, figure out what is this all about. Once it was all in a spreadsheet like that,

we were able to sort it by country. We were able to sort it by date. And we could really start to see the pattern that Bill Clinton's speeches, you know, I'd see

Moscow why is Bill Clinton giving a speech in Moscow? And then we'd look oh in the 2010 timeframe. Well Hillary Clinton was having all these new start treaty negotiations nuclear treaty negotiations with Russia This was amid the Obama administration's Russia reset and we're like, okay bills in Moscow Hillary's doing this and that's we eventually got to the uranium one story by following the money and and that's I

Really, that's my strategy is I follow the money. You got to go get these really clunky, cumbersome documents, but they do exist. They are public. And if they're not, I mean, that's against the rules. So you find the IRS 990s in the case of a private foundation or the Office of Government Ethics.

uh oge form 278 is the one for either public officials of really of any kind but administration officials and on these oge forms i know you're familiar with them you got to list your stock transactions and you've got to list your assets and your liabilities but it doesn't make it easy they certainly don't make it easy for uh journalists to put

put the pieces together. So that's why I really pulled in money data out of these clunky forms. I put it into a spreadsheet and then I sort by date and I try to build a timeline. And that's eventually you get, you know, when you follow the money, you get up to where the money comes from. And it's a lot of these big foundations like the Soros Foundation. I believe George Soros was the largest single largest

donor in the 2022 midterm cycle. I suspect he'll be a pretty major donor in the 2024 cycle. And then you have to...

Take it a step further and see well, where did this money go to and did that person end up giving any favors? Did that did either the public official give the favors back to the private individual or the private foundation or? You know, this is the private foundation Give the money for any specific purpose and really you it's all about the timeline in that sense where you you have to see that

What is this person really interested in? What is Bill Gates really interested in when Joe Biden is pushing the Inflation Reduction Act through Congress? And we saw that actually Bloomberg News reported Bill Gates wanted

a bunch of climate change money. He's actually got for-profit businesses that are allegedly solving climate change, and they receive tons of taxpayer stimulus, tons of, you know, I call it welfare for oligarchs, where he's got a nuclear power company called TerraPower, and that's, you know, supposed to solve climate change. And so,

So Bill Gates will then pick up the phone and call Senator Joe Manchin and say, hey, listen, stop holding out on this vote. We'll get you whatever waivers for the people in your state you need. And that's how I ended up at this book is stories like that where Bill Gates is picking up the phone and calling senators and getting exactly what he wants. Yeah, go deeper on Bill Gates because I think most people know the founder of Microsoft and

And his exorbitant wealth. I mean, he's not Elon Musk, but he's trying to be. And, you know, he puts himself up there with him and Melinda, the Gates Foundation and all this good they're doing around the world. They probably do some good.

But he's also got this for-profit, selfish, and it's fascinating to me how much time he spent in China, how much time he spent lobbying Congress. But it sounds like it's all good business for him.

It's very good business. That's the thing you realize is much, much like the Clintons, these philanthropies turn out to, I mean, the more they give away, the richer they get. It's very counterintuitive. Every, every dollar Bill Gates, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation gives away, he, Bill Gates personally gets $2 back.

and and and we really kinda expose the the oligarch business models the same thing with George Soros how how can they be giving away tens of billions of dollars and now they're worth oh you know in Bill Gates's case over a hundred billion dollars with the be I mean most people can't fathom the amount of money that these guys have

And I do give them credit. I mean, they build products that, I mean, we're capitalists. We love the capitalist system. And I certainly use, I mean, I typed up, it was kind of funny. I typed up the book, the manuscript on Microsoft Word. And I'm like, man, this is a great product. Now, as an aside, it was actually funny because Microsoft Word now, they have the spell checker and the grammar checker. I don't know if you've seen this yet, but they actually have the inclusivity checker.

Oh, and I started getting I have not seen that. Well, you will. As you as you write your next book, you start getting flags like you had misspelled the word. And I'm like, what is this? And it says mankind. And that's a that's a no, no, that is a that is a gendered term. Microsoft Word would like you to know and you should.

change that word from mankind to perhaps humanity, which still has the word man in it, by the way. But I digress. Anyhow, I do love a lot of Microsoft products. Well, so does woman. Woman has man in it. Yeah.

Hey, hey, now that's a nevermind. Pay no attention to that kind of thing. So, you know, I use a lot of the product Amazon, you know, Amazon is they make these products that are totally and entirely convenient. And we love a lot of the products. And so, yeah.

it was something i had to kind of struggle with is you know i i i appreciate what they've done in bringing compu you know the computer age forward but then you you look at these oh you know i call them oligarchs and they're different than the the the billionaire philanthropists of the past like you know the vanderbilts or the carnegies who you know used their money uh to build hospitals and in schools and libraries we started to look what are these these billionaires of today i mean and these are not

You know, average billionaires, these are like centa billionaires, hundred billionaires, Mark Zuckerberg. What are they spending their money on today? And so in the case of Bill Gates, I mean, his foundation, it seems good on the surface to be, you know, increasing access to health care, health care services around the world.

But time and again, you see that he uses the first of all, when you go into a country in Africa, like Bill Gates has done, and you're in you come saying, I'm going to solve some terrible disease like malaria. The government there opens opens the, you know, gives you a key to the city, essentially. And

you know, in some senses he, he sort of owns that country's public health policy. And, and in many cases he uses that access as sort of like a, I mean, I, I,

I would not say this term, but others have said this term, you know, human Guinea pigs. He tests out a new pharmaceutical product on a population in India. This happened and there were lots of deaths. Uh, he has a lot of interest in, he calls it maternal health, but really it's birth control and, uh, decreasing the birth rate. You hear that Bill Gates is very concerned about, uh, the population levels and he goes in and he tries out, uh, a new type of, uh,

And then the population doesn't react well to it. And it can be unsettling. Some of the findings in the book are rather unsettling about just kind of the deaths that have occurred from some of these trials. And then you see that he's personally invested in the pharmaceutical companies. He's got a huge interest in vaccines. I mean, he created a computer system and then he profited off of antivirus software. Well, now he realized that viruses amongst...

Humans can be a very thing, so very profitable endeavor. So going and trying to cure all of these diseases, you can actually make a huge amount of money. And you see that in the healthcare sector. He's also very interested in the food sector. That was something that kind of surprised me. He's like, Bill Gates is a computer guy. Why does he care so much about food? And some of your listeners, I'm sure, have heard about him buying up large chunks of American farmland. And it's like, what is Bill Gates up to there?

We actually we followed the money once again and found that Bill Gates is heavily invested in these alternative protein companies, things like Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods.

that are making fake meats, essentially, alternative proteins. He's got a fake dairy company that he's heavily invested in, even a fake breast milk company. I'm sure they don't like me saying the word fake breast milk, but that's what it is. They're making breast milk for babies in a lab somewhere, and he's invested in that. So you wonder why would you

be so interested in the food supply? Well, it's very profitable. It's probably one of the most profitable businesses on the planet, or at least it's one of the largest industries on the planet is food production and

And, you know, he learned with software that if you have the licensing and if you have the rights and it's really the intellectual property, and if you can license that intellectual property, you can continue to make money over and over and over again with every new version. And it's the same thing with these proteins. He actually the companies he invests in.

gets a patent on the proteins. They file a patent and that gives them effectively a 20 year monopoly. You can't patent a cow or a chicken or a mother's, mother's milk, but you can patent the synthetic versions of food. So it's,

It's kind of creepy. It sounds conspiratorial, but it's right all out there in the open. You go to their websites. And I actually looked at the timing of Gates's investment. He invests in some of these alternative protein companies, right? Like just like days or weeks after their patent has been granted. And so that company now has a monopoly on making that fake burger, right?

And then it makes you start to wonder, are they really worried about cow flatulence? Or is this sort of like a regulatory capture where real cows are the competition and because they own the patents on the fake meat...

then if you can regulate the competition, that equals even more profits for yourself. And so these kind of stories make you realize that these are not so much capitalists making a better product, but they're crony capitalists who are using the government and regulation to increase their bottom line. And possibly, you know, I'm not a scientist or a food expert, but there are many scientists and food experts who say that the kind of chemicals that go into these foods are

They're not good. They're not good for you. You're listening to Jason in the house. We'll be back with more of my conversation with Seamus right after this. This is Jimmy Fallon inviting you to join me for Fox across America, where we'll discuss every single one of the Democrats, dumb ideas, just kidding. It's only a three hour show. Listen live at noon Eastern or get the podcast at Fox across America.com. What about Jeff Bezos? You know, you got him on the cover as well. He,

He, you know, we know he likes outer space, evidently, you know, and he he likes going on yachts, according to, you know, the dabloids. So but what about Bezos?

yeah so uh jeff bezos he's he you know on the surface appears to be one of the more benign i mean we i i followed him all the way back through his history he actually used to be a lot more libertarian you wouldn't think of him as kind of more like one of the george soros types who's ideological right right for foisting left-wing ideologies on the entire population um and so i would say that uh

Jeff Bezos on the surface is a good guy. He probably is a good guy personally from everything I've read. He seems a very nice gentleman. But he too is investing in a lot of these synthetic food companies. He's invested in several fake meat companies. And those companies have an incentive to make it harder for you to get a real steak.

And that's when you see the regulations coming through. They lobby for the types of regulations that farmers are protesting around the world. They're protesting against some of these regulations that are trying to put them out of business. Jeff Bezos is buying up a lot of farmland and land in America.

yeah which is not a problem none of these things are i'm not i'm certainly not alleging any crimes are committed but i just am showing like kind of where where their heads are at and uh the biggest tool of control that jeff bezos is is kind of pouring his money into both uh as personal investments but also he set up this uh non-profit endeavor called the bezos earth fund

And he put $10 billion into the Bezos Earth Fund. And that is investing in sort of these technologies that I would say, and I think the evidence in the book shows, are really tools of control, whether it's electric vehicles. The electric vehicles, I mean, he's invested in several electric vehicle companies.

Right.

I mean, you just look at, and all you have to do is look at the tech platforms to kind of see where their heads are at with the de-platforming of people who don't agree with them. You know, if they can turn off your ability to speak on Facebook or, you know, Amazon has been known to blacklist books that are, you know, pushing unapproved narratives. We'll see how long my book is allowed to stay on there. But, you know, we're,

With the electric vehicles, they've got some serious capabilities. On the one hand, they don't have the capability of going more than 200 or 300 miles, and then you have to pull over and charge or maybe call up a gas-powered generator to meet you on the side of the road. But on the other hand, they are all connected to a smart grid.

And, you know, like they're connected to the internet and it's, it's, they call this the internet of things. That's a world economic forum term that was coined back in the nineties where all, all of your devices, your car and your home and your thermostat are hooked up to the electric grid, the smart grid. And the smart grid is run by, you know, AI and in big tech companies in Silicon Valley. Well,

I think there's a story in the book about these smart thermostats that can kind of illustrate why a smart car or an electric vehicle would be a bad idea. It's actually happened, Jason. This shocked me when I read about it. I was like, that can't be true. But in Texas, in Colorado, and in California, at least three states, and probably more by the time people get their hands on the book, the utility companies...

have turned down, remotely turned down or up the thermostats to save power. So in the summer, you might not be able to. Yes, the headline, I think it was a Houston Chronicle article. The headline was, I woke up drenched in sweat because...

because their thermostat had been remotely set to 80 degrees by the utility company. And Amazon, of course, makes these smart thermostats. Google makes one. You've got Alexa in your home. You've got the Google Nest, which Nest is kind of a sinister sounding term anyhow. But

You know, they're convenient, of course. You're like, oh, I can set my thermostat down so when I get home from work, it's a little bit cooler in my house. That sounds great. But then when Gavin Newsom says we're going to have rolling blackouts unless everybody turns their thermostat up to 80 and then they don't give you a choice, you can kind of see, well, what if you thought that I shouldn't go on a road trip this weekend? Are you going to stop my electric vehicle from –

from allowing me to drive more than 200 miles in a weekend. And it, you know, I would have thought a lot of this stuff sounds like conspiracy theory, but we've seen it playing out just every day. There seems like a new dystopian type story where people's bank accounts are getting, you know, they're getting locked out of their bank accounts or, I mean, the stifling of free speech is, is something that, you know, we all kind of recognize, but it's really,

It's really terrifying where this ends up if you can't talk about it. And that's kind of the agenda and the MO of a lot of the guys here on the cover. And some of them are like Bezos, a lot smarter about what they say publicly. And then others like Bill Gates sort of smile in their Mr. Rogers cardigan style on TV and lacking the self-awareness that locking people into their homes is actually a terrifying prospect. Yeah.

You're listening to Jason in the House. We'll be back with more of my conversation with Seamus right after this. Yeah, no kidding. That is crazy. And I mean, that begs so many questions. We could go like half hour talking about just that. But Seamus, a little bit more about your background. We've only got a few more minutes with the podcast here. But so where'd you grow up? What did you like?

Like, where were you born? Let's start there. I was born in upstate New York, outside of Albany, Albany, New York. And my father, James Bruner, he's my hero. I love my dad. And he was the director of an organization called the New York Family Policy Council in upstate New York. It's connected to the Focus on the Family organization out by you. I think it's in Colorado, but

I know you're in Utah. And, you know, after several years running the New York Family Policy Council, getting a lot of hate in New York, he got a job offer in Tallahassee, Florida, and that would be 2003. So decades, plural, I guess, ago now. I can't believe that. It's been, oh, yeah. I can't believe that. It's 20 years ago. Yes.

20 years ago. So I'm one of six. My parents, God bless them. I don't know how they did it, but I had six kids and moved all six, all eight of us, drove us down to Tallahassee, Florida. We'd never been to Florida. Couldn't really afford Disney for a giant brood like that to take everybody from New York. So we moved to Florida and

and I just love Tallahassee, and it's a beautiful, beautiful town. It's very close to the coast, and you'd go to the beach, and I applied to a bunch of colleges all around the country, and

Got into some really good ones. But when I saw the price tag, $50,000 or so a year, I'm like, why am I going to go into debt to go to one of these schools? So I went to Florida State University, which I'm just so happy I did. Didn't have to go into massive debt. Yeah, it was right there. And I'm even more happy that through the contacts we made at church in Tallahassee, I met Peter Schweitzer.

And he's my entire professional career. I mean, I worked at Xerox as an intern in a few big Fortune 500 companies as a youngster. But my real professional career started when I met Peter Schweitzer.

Never thought I wanted to write books. I mean, I told you I wanted to be in politics and possibly lobbying for China. Please forgive me for my naivete. I was a kid and I just saw that that's where the world looked like it was going. Now I know much better than that. We're exposing the people who lobby for China. Right. So it was a little ironic twist, but I couldn't I couldn't be happier. And this is my third book, Working with Schweitzer. I worked on, I think, seven of Peter's books.

All of them were New York Times bestsellers since I've been here. So I'm proud of helping him achieve that. And this is the third book I wrote. I wrote one called Compromised, How Money and Politics Drive FBI Corruption. That was in 2018. And that was all about, you know, how...

The FBI and the DOJ, in my opinion, are at the heart of the swamp. And, you know, we're never going to be able to get accountability until the DOJ is willing to pursue it.

And I think that's been proven right more than I ever could have known. Exactly. Exactly. I mean, that's I started that one. That one came after the Clinton book. I mean, we ended the Clinton cash book and I just said, you know, smacked my head is like, how on earth were the Clintons allowed to get away with this? And then you see that the the Holder Justice Department granted cash.

queen for a day and immunity agreements and she got conflict of interest waivers. I'm like, I mean, the number of ways that the Clintons were just given a free pass and get out of jail free cards made me really question the DOJ and the FBI. And that was before the 2016 election with Comey and McCabe and struck and page. But they're all in that book. And then

Then I did Fallout, Nuclear Bribes, Russian Spies, and the Washington Lies that Enriched the Clinton and Biden Dynasties, a bit of a mouthful. I'm very proud of that book. I worked on that with John Solomon of Just the News, and he's a great guy and got to know John very well. He exposes so many big stories, and just proud to know him.

And that book really sort of predicted this conflict we're seeing with Russia and Ukraine is if we keep using Ukraine to fight a proxy war with Russia, it's going to end badly. And you see the nuclear test that Putin is doing. Of course, nobody supports Vladimir Putin, and he's a terrible guy, but I think nuclear war might be worse. Yeah.

That was that book. And then this one, you know, it was in Ukraine that I came across Soros. And then I kind of just saw some of these. I think the pandemic is really what opened my eyes to this control of darks concept, because you saw governments around the world marching in lockstep. And that doesn't happen often. You don't have all of the countries enacting the same policies with very anti-scientific policies. I mean,

The science behind how to get over a flu-like illness is you stay home if you're sick, not if you're well. You don't lock everybody, even the healthy people down. And just use sort of common sense. I mean, going back to, it's in the Bible and the Old Testament is, you know, you put the sick people in a sick tent and

That's that's roughly how you how you get over it. But then when you see every they were locking, you know, Australia was just crazy. Some of the videos you saw of them, you know, throwing people into vans and taking them off to quarantine camps that weren't even sick. You know, there are people who had not gotten their vaccination. So that was, you know, the pandemic was devastating.

it's scary time for everybody for a lot of reasons and then i saw the vaccine passports and i thought what what is this about um

And through the pandemic, I just kind of saw that you followed the money in a lot of these things, whether it was with the vaccines. I mean, I've got a story in the book of how George Soros and Bill Gates are both invested in a masking and PPE company or in a surprise. Yeah, surprise. You know, they were they were making money off of the pandemic. And so.

And then they used the pandemic to do like a great reset. The World Economic Forum says, oh, this is the real eye opener was when they started using terms like this is a great opportunity. It's like, you know, this is a tragedy. This global pandemic is a tragedy. I mean, you know, I guess there's always opportunities even in tragedies, but just they were almost positively giddy. You know, if you watch Bill Gates throughout the pandemic coverage,

With the TV on mute, just the grins, you know, it almost looked like he couldn't be happier at what was happening. So that kind of opened my eyes to it all. And the opportunities, you know, Trudeau is in the book and Jacinda Ardern of New Zealand, some of these, the really tyrannical policies, like locking people up, like actually locking them up, not just doing a lockdown. Yeah.

Um, that, that, that kind of, you know, as I thought to myself, this has got to be exposed and the money, the money behind it all has got to be exposed. Well, look, I think if anybody listened to this podcast, you're going to get the sense that I've seen in person of the enthusiasm and the excitement. And that's,

That's what you want in a researcher and somebody who's going to actually dive down, put together those massive spreadsheets and then kind of dissect the data and just be able to synthesize it in such. And that's, you know, with control of GARCs, I think that's what you've done. And that's what's exciting about this book. So congratulations on that now.

Seamus, I got to ask you a few more questions. We ask everybody to ask to kind of run the gauntlet here. So no matter how much research you've done, you may not be properly prepared for these questions, but I got to ask them. All right. All right. Go ahead. First concert you attended. The first concert I attended was in Colorado Springs. It was a Michael W. Smith and Stephen Curtis Chapman concert. I think it was a focus on the family event. So it was a good Christian concert, but...

That's a pretty clean concert. The cleanest one I've heard about on this show. But yes, thank you. Well, since then, I've gone to quite a few. Now you've got some repenting to do after some of these events. Yeah, I have some repenting to do. I saw the Grateful Dead's Fare Thee Well Tour in Chicago. And I saw the Rolling Stones in Jacksonville. I like to go see the acts that are not going to be around much longer. Yeah. I remember when I was in high school, I think that was...

The Start Me Up or something tour that...

They were playing it at Sun Devil Stadium in Arizona. I didn't go to it, but I wanted to go to it because it was the Rolling Stones farewell tour. And I'm like, wait a sec. That is literally from like 1985 or whatever date it was. Somebody can look that up. It literally was like 40 years ago. And that was their their farewell tour. But not really. They keep coming around. Oh.

I know. Stone's got a new album out. It's...

I think, I think I read that. I saw, I saw Paul, Grateful Dead, Rolling Stones. I think, but I saw Bob Dylan and, uh, Hall and Oates. They all said it was, I saw Paul Simon in New York, uh, in Queens, in his hometown. And, uh, he said that that was his fair, you know, his, his, his, you know, career final tour. And then the very next year he had another one. They've all, I, they got me. They got me. Yeah, exactly. They got me. How, uh, what was your high school mascot?

We were the Leon Lions. Because, of course. I rode for Leon crew in high school. I'm proud to say we won a national championship. We beat Chaminade and St. Joe's Prep and all of these giant prep schools. That's pretty good. That's not an easy sport. You've got to be fit.

Yeah, very fit. And we wrote the head of the Charles. We were one of the top high schools at the head of the Charles and crew rowing crew was probably before Peter Schweitzer. My crew coach was my best my best mentor. I love I love my crew coach, Dan Newman. Row, row. That's good. It's I know it's more complicated than that. So pineapple and pizza. Yes or no?

This is probably a controversial, I know it's a controversial opinion. I'm a big fan of Hawaiian pizza. It's got to be ham and pineapple, not just pineapple. I'm sorry. I don't order it, but if it's there, I'll have it. Sure. I mean, yeah, now try to claw that one back. I wouldn't order it, but I'd eat every bit of it if it was in front of me.

You failed that question. I'm a meat lover. You absolutely failed that question. I'm so sorry. That is such the wrong answer. I had to be honest. At least I'm honest. I'm sorry. Yeah. And that'll haunt you like your love of the Chinese government so much so that you wanted to lobby for them.

You can still get out. You can get out of like fruit on pizza. Come on, man. OK, we'll work on you on that one. All right. Best advice you ever got. Oh, man. Best advice. Well, I would have to say it came from my father, my first and favorite mentor, of course. And there's three words very simply strive for excellence in everything you do.

And, uh, I, I, I put 110% into everything, whether it was in crew or, uh, researching Peter's books are now researching my own books. I mean, my, my poor wife, uh, I, I strive for excellence in my marriage too. Um, my poor wife though is, you know, as I'm doing this book tour, I'm doing 12 hour, 14 hour during the writing process or a few 18 hour days, um,

And I just can't get enough of this work. And then on the weekends, I strive for excellence as a father and as a husband. That's good. That's good. Well, I know I've seen it up close and personal how talented you are. So I wish you all the best with the oligarchs or the control-a-garks book, Seamus Bruner. You can look it up. And thanks for joining me on the Jason in the House podcast.

You are the man, Jason. Thank you. It was good to talk with you. All right. I want to thank Seamus for congratulating him, I should really say, on his book, Controligarchs, and the great research that he does. Thank you for spending time with us. Please rate this podcast. Subscribe to the podcast if you can.

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