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Well, welcome to the Jason in the House podcast. I'm Jason Chaffetz, and this week we're going to walk you through some highlights and thoughts on the news. And boy, this week, as much as anything, it is happening at rapid fire. We're going to highlight the stupid because there's always somebody doing something stupid somewhere. And then we're going to phone not just one, but two of our friends, Sean Duffy and Rachel Campos Duffy. Gosh, if you get to know these people, some of the nicest people on the planet, I'm going

served in Congress with Sean and both are Fox News contributors. Rachel's obviously a rising star, co-hosting the Fox and Friends on the weekend, and you're going to hear and see a lot more of both of them and get to know them a little bit better. I look forward to giving them a call because fascinating family. Not only have nine kids.

serving Congress. Sean was a former prosecutor. They met on The Real World. At least that's in part the story, the lure. We're going to find out about what brought them together. And just an amazing, amazing family. But we got to get right into the news because...

What's going on in this nation right now will affect our generations. And I know sometimes that comes across as trite and, you know, sure, it's just hyperbole and whatnot. But the numbers that we're looking at today and what the Democrats want to spend are

Now, at the recording of this podcast, we don't know what the ultimate number is going to be, but we know it's going to be stunning. And I want to put it in perspective. When I first ran for the Congress in 2008, I was part of the cycle that elected Barack Obama first.

I won, he won two totally different races, obviously. But I was complaining at the time that the national debt was $8 to $9 trillion. And remember, if you spend a million dollars a day every day, it takes nearly 3,000 years to get to $1 trillion. Okay? So...

According to the New York Post in an article on September 28th, the quote from the New York Post, if his, being Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, if his entire agenda is enacted, the national debt held by the public, which is just under $17 trillion before the pandemic, would reach $44 trillion 10 years from now. $44 trillion. Now,

At some point, this all catches up with you folks. You can't be $44 trillion in debt. Massive inflation, I think we're about to see. I just recently saw on Fox Business with Stuart Varney, I saw that year over year, home prices plummeted.

We're up 25%. Now, some of those were even higher out in the Western United States. There's certainly parts of where I live that it was more than that. But 25%, how is a new homeowner supposed to enter the market and live the American dream that way? The definition of inflation is too much money chasing too few goods. And when you have incentives to people to not work...

and consequently they're not working, you have a labor shortage, which is coupled with massive government spending. More than 25% of our gross domestic product, it's estimated, will be spent by the federal government. Think about that. One out of every $4 spent in this country is spent by the federal government? Now, again, going back to New York Post, and I'm quoting them,

Add it all up and Congressional Democrats are set to commit $8 trillion in new spending over the decade, of which $6 trillion would be borrowed. That is quadruple the net cost of the 2017 tax cuts. And let me just stop there. When Donald Trump and the Republicans were able to cut taxes, guess what happened to revenue with the Treasury?

Despite what the Democrats will tell you, revenue to the treasury increased because of stimulated economic activity. So to say we'll raise taxes does not necessarily mean that raises revenue to the treasury. And to say that it cut taxes does not necessarily mean that, oh, there's going to be less revenue to the treasury. To the contrary, if you use dynamic scoring, you start to understand that when the

The American people are allowed to have more money in their own wallets. Guess what happens? They do more things. And Democrats keep saying, oh, they're going to pay their fair share. Joe Biden was even quoted as saying there are trillionaires out there that would have to pay their fair shares. As best I can tell, there are no trillionaires. He made that up.

And it is an outright lie, Mr. President, to just, I mean, it is an outright lie to say that this thing is paid for. How the President of the United States goes out there and says, oh, it's all paid for. Are you kidding me? It's not even close. Why do we think we've been spending and having annual deficits for so long?

When you spend more year over year, that's a deficit. The accumulation of those annual deficits is the national debt. This is what happens when you have somebody like Joe Biden, who's been in office for close to 50 years, totally loses perspective. Here again from the Washington or from the New York Post, quote, it would be enough money, what the Democrats are planning to spend, to eliminate the employee side of the payroll tax.

or deposit $60,000 into each family's bank account. Instead, it will be spent on a grab bag of long-standing liberal policies. See, that's what you're going to get, America. You're going to get more regulators, more government, more spending.

And it is just an outright fraud to suggest, "Oh, we're gonna have free this, and it'll be free that, and free this." Sorry, folks. That ain't the way that the world works. And Democrats are just driving us. Hey, look, I was upset with the Republicans. I thought they lost control of the mantle of fiscal discipline. I'm all for cutting taxes, but we should also cut spending. And that's my criticism of the Republicans.

But this type of spending by the trillions and then to go out and tell the American people it's paid for is just an outright lie. All right, let's transition to the stupid because you know what? There's always somebody doing something stupid somewhere. All right, I'm going to ABC News on September 15th and I'm calling a little BS on this one. I'm just not buying it. Reputable news organization, but this article that appeared said,

I'm sorry. I just don't believe what they actually wrote in this article. I can't imagine that it's actually true. And let me walk you through it. This is an article about, it says, teens turn to COVID-19 vaccine advocacy.

As most state laws prohibit minors from being vaccinated, the vaccination rate among adolescents is growing faster than any other age groups. Well, okay, so let's break this down, folks. Maybe there's a few teens out there advocating COVID-19 vaccines. I'm sure you looked hard enough. You can find a teenager who's out there doing this. But here's how the article starts.

There is a high school sophomore from Texas who wakes up at 6:00 AM on the weekends when she knows her parents are asleep. So she can secretly and quietly make calls as an ambassador for a teen pro vaccine group fighting off vaccine misinformation. Okay. So let's break that down. Teenager waking up at 6:00 AM. That's highly doubtful. Happens. I'm sure it does.

But calling her friends? Who's answering the phone at 6 a.m. on a Sunday morning to hear from their girlfriend or friend about vaccine advocacy? Now, maybe you got one or two best friends who's going to answer that call, but don't tell me that they're sitting there dialing everybody, letting everybody know. And the second thing that I find entirely stupid is,

If you're getting your medical information from a 14-year-old who has no medical training, no idea about your medical background, you got to reexamine your life, folks, because you got medical professionals who go through a decade of training plus and have all kinds of experience and can read and understand and then compare that to your personal profile to help you make your personal decision.

I don't think you should listen to some pundit who's not a doctor on television make this decision. And I certainly don't believe that a 15-year-old should call you up. And if you know it, if at this point you don't know that there's a COVID problem and that there's a vaccine that may help you, and suddenly you're like, oh, you know, that 15-year-old. Hey, mom, dad, I really got to go out and get my vaccine shot.

And for ABC News to say, quote, the vaccination rate among adolescents is growing faster than other age groups, end quote. Well, they just got cleared, part of them, not all of them, cleared to actually have the vaccination. So they were at zero before. Suddenly it gets cleared to do it. And some people are going out and getting vaccinations. So they're going to go from zero to something. Of course, that's going to be bad.

The fastest growing rate. That is absurd to suggest that this, let me read the rest of this. It says, quote, the reason for all the cloak and dagger secrecy, the 15 year old who asked to be called rain, not her real name is the daughter of QAnon followers who holds strident views against mask wearing, social distancing and the Corona virus vaccine.

I'm sorry. I don't buy that. I just don't buy it. I do not believe that not only is this story so great, but she's also secretly the daughter of a QAnon supporter. And she calls her friends and dials up the people at the high school at 6 a.m. on Saturday to talk about vaccines. I'm sorry. ABC News, I'm just not buying it. And for that, I think that's bringing on the stupid. ♪♪

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And so I'm looking forward to this. Let's call Sean Duffy and his wife, Rachel Campos Duffy. Hello. Hey, this is Jason Chaffetz. How are you?

Hi, Jason. How are you? It's Rachel. Hey, Jason. Sean Duffy here, too. Oh, Rachel and Sean, thank you so much for joining us. I really do appreciate it. You are some of my favorite people. You know, I got to know Sean when he got elected. You weren't supposed to get elected, Sean. Like, you came out of nowhere, this log-rolling, real-world guy, and won this election up in Wisconsin. I mean, did you ever think you were actually going to be in Congress? No.

Listen, I wasn't I was I ran against a 42 year incumbent. Everyone said I should lose this race. And I caught the wave of 2010. And frankly, I never let myself believe that I would win Jason until about an hour before they called the election for me. I couldn't believe that I'd have the honor of serving in the Congress.

because it was such a far reach and such a tough race. So yeah, I got to serve. I got to serve what six years with you before you left for eight years with you before you left. And then I left a couple of years ago, almost to the date today.

Yeah. And then along the way, we got to meet Rachel and your family. You got nine kids, right? We didn't when we started. Only six. Only six. Well, you were halfway there. You were halfway there. You got a few more to go. So...

I say that with a big smile because it is amazing. You know what's amazing about your family? Like every time I've seen them do a live shot or even in person, like the few times we've seen them up in Congress and that sort of thing, they're all well-behaved. How in the world do you do that? Is that a big bullwhip that you're carrying or how do you do that? It's bribery. It's like, okay, if you guys do this, we'll go to Dairy Queen.

And stuff like that. Or Barbies. I've used Barbies and lip gloss as bribery tools. I'm not above any bribery when it comes to my kids in public. And most of the time it works. But there are times when it failed.

Well, it still works with me. I mean, sometimes we'll make them rewatch a clip where one of them was pouting and say, see how bad you looked? You got to smile. So you actually take game film and make them watch the game film afterwards, right? We do some instant replay. Or like, you know, for commercials, you'll appreciate this. There's always one kid.

It's too many people. It's the problem with the big family. It's like not everybody is happy at the same time. There's always one or two who are in a bad mood, no matter if you're on some fabulous vacation or doing it, shooting a commercial or just a regular dinner. Somebody's always not on board with everybody else. I mean, that's just the nature of having a big family. And so.

You know, when we have to shoot commercials, there's always one who's in a bad mood or tired and doesn't want to do it or is in that age bracket where they're afraid, like, you know, oh, this is so cheesy, you know, whatever. And we're always like, just remember.

Your friends are going to watch this. There's going to be millions of dollars of ads behind this. So you've got to put your best foot forward. Political commercials. And as you know, Jason, when you do political commercials, they take a long time. It's like all day for a couple of days you shoot these things and the kids participate. And yeah, there's a lot of bribery going on as we go through the political commercial shoot.

Oh, that's great. Okay, so I want to kind of step back a little bit and understand, you know, kind of where you both came from and then how you came together. So let's start with Rachel because Rachel's always our favorite. No offense, Sean. And way more interesting. Yeah. Tell us about growing up. Like, where did you grow up and why –

Yeah, I mean, you're a fairly conservative person here. So what was it about growing up that kind of made you a little bit more conservative than a little bit more liberal?

As you know, Jason, I grew up in Arizona, but I grew up in a military family. And so I grew up overseas mostly and in all kinds of countries, Spain, England, Turkey, Peru. So I was just kind of all over. And but my parents are fairly conservative. I think my dad my dad came from a Democrat union family.

But he's Catholic. And I think, you know, he cast his first vote for Ronald Reagan in the 80s because he was in the military and

Ronald Reagan promised to rebuild the military after, you know, Jimmy Carter just demoralized the whole country in the same way that Joe Biden is doing it right now. And so he cast his first vote for Reagan really more because he was a military guy hoping to rebuild the military morale. And then when he did, he's sort of like, wait a minute, like he just kind of became more aware. He's like, they're pro-life, they're this. And he realized that.

that he was just voting Republican because he was Mexican-American and from a Union copper town in Arizona, but that really the values of the party were no longer the JFK party, right, that he thought he was part of. And so that was a political transformation for him. My mom is a native of Spain. My dad met her when he was overseas. And, you know, her family encountered a lot of persecution from, you know,

Her family history is one of communist persecution in Spain. And so she was already like very easily on board with the anti-communist message from Ronald Reagan. And she understood exactly what Marxism and communism could do and how it destroyed religious liberty and destroyed families and economies. And so she was already on board. And I think that combination, plus being a military brat,

where that love of country is sort of just inbred in you. And when you live abroad, you even feel that more. So I think all of those factors...

played into it. And I do think that I have my deep love of America and appreciation for it is enhanced by the fact that I lived in countries that were third world countries, you know, countries that were military dictatorships, as it was in Turkey when I was there. I don't take our freedoms and our prosperity for granted, I think, in large part because of that.

Yeah, you know, when I traveled overseas as a young teenager, it didn't take very long for me to understand that the United States of America was a whole lot better than anybody else in the world. And it just gives you sort of this world perspective.

mean growing up did you like have a job did your parents make you do certain things i mean how many kids in your family so only four i don't know if you know the duffies sean is the 10th of 11. so i thought i was a big family until i met the duffies um so i i you know look my brothers always had paper routes um they worked

My brother worked at Burger King. I was a babysitter. So I, every Friday night, I was on lockdown. My parents were super strict, so I could never do all the fun stuff. You know, everybody else did, even though I was a cheerleader.

Right after the game, they were there to pick me up. I wasn't allowed to go party with all the other kids. So I did a lot of babysitting and I learned to make money. And I, you know, pretty much from the age of 15 on, I was buying my own clothes. I was not like, you know, we weren't poor. We were, you know, middle class family. But but my parents, you know, wanted us to learn how to work. And we did. And I worked my way through college. Nobody paid for my college. I had to do that.

And I think that that's a good thing. And I think it's given me a good a good work ethic. So I think I think all those things play in part. But I think also having a mom who's an immigrant, that kind of, again, appreciation for America, that kind of work ethic. My parents, my dad grew up poor and, you know, has been working since he was a little boy, was a shoeshine boy.

when he was, you know, six years old in his family, by the way, he was one of 15. And again, I think that, you know, seeing my dad work so hard, you know, taking second jobs sometimes while he was in the military, working at night at, you know, a Chinese restaurant, washing dishes to, you know, keep his family going. So I just grew up with really hardworking people.

And and an immigrant sort of upbringing through through my mom and an appreciation for the American dream. And so when a lot of the Marxist messages came my way in college, I just wasn't buying it. It just was not the America I knew and understood. And I knew that it was BS. And so I was a college Republican and that was not an easy thing to do.

you know, in college as a Hispanic, where there was a lot of pressure to join, you know, Metcha and, you know, sort of it was sort of the beginning of this

in the early nineties, the beginning of all the PC and identity politics. And I just, I just resisted it. I didn't feel it spoke to me. It seemed really insincere and false and I just never fell for it. So you got a conservative upbringing, um, conservative family. Couldn't even, you know, you're babysitting instead of going out doing whatever, you know, you might be doing. How in the world did you then transition when there was this, uh, this, uh,

reality television show and you're like, Oh yeah, I'll go, I'll go do that. Yeah. I mean, I was still fun. You know, I still like to have fun in college and still doing stuff. I watched MTV. You can remember, you know, Sean, Jason back in the early nineties. I mean, that was where youth culture was. It was MTV. Everyone watched MTV. There weren't like 20,000 other networks you could watch. If you wanted to watch music videos and be part of American youth culture,

MTV was a big part of that. And so I watched MTV just like everybody else. I caught a few episodes of this weird reality show that was going on. I wasn't a big super fan or anything, but I had seen it, you know, just like most other people. And then I saw an ad on TV that they were going to, um,

you know, have auditions for the third season. And I just, I applied, I sent a video in, I thought, yeah, why not? Um, I had no idea the competition. I later learned like 45,000 other people applied and they picked seven. Um, but at the time I just thought, yeah, why not? I mean, I'm about to graduate. I have this period of time in between now and grad school, this will be perfect. And so lo and behold, I applied, sent video. There was a,

series of auditions, you know, weird ways to audition back then because there was no there was no Internet and Zoom and all that. So you had to record yourself on a big video tape and send it in and weird stuff like that that young people probably don't understand. But lo and behold, I ended up on the show and it turned out to be pretty groundbreaking show. And that that season in particular was

was the season that grappled with a lot of political issues and i think that's why i was cast and i give mtv credit for for casting me in that show um to take a conservative hispanic woman and um and and again i i just said whatever i wanted it wasn't scripted um it was edited but i would say it was pretty fairly edited no good good all right so sean you're growing up

a little bit different household. You weren't traveling the whole world and you were 10 out of 11 kids. Is that right? Yeah. So I was, yeah, I was a 10th of 11 Jason. So I think my parents went through the, uh, district parenting with the older kids and we got a little lighter parenting as younger kids at the house. And so I always grew up in a, it was a relatively, you know, conservative home. We were Catholic. We had a lot of kids, uh,

But politics really weren't a big part of our our daily life. Like I think in Rachel's house, they talked politics a lot. We didn't. But I always thought of myself as a Republican and always voted conservative, except in 1992, I voted for Ross Perot and helped elect Bill Clinton. So I apologize for that.

Maybe I had a little libertarian streak in me. And I, to be honest, I didn't, I wasn't really politically involved or engaged. I, you know, I went out and I had friends and drank beer and whatever. And when Rachel and I got married, she loved politics. And I just, we just started, I started following politics with her and absolutely fell in love with

um, with politics, but also because I saw what an impact it had on this new little family that we had started. We had a new baby and for the first time I'm, I'm kind of making money and I'm paying taxes. And, um,

That was kind of my foray into politics and, again, found this love that I never really knew that I had on how politics actually has a huge impact in our daily lives. And for me, I grew up doing lumberjack shows and competitions and exhibitions. If you don't know, that's, again, ESPN6 at 4 o'clock in the morning if you watch. I've seen that. It's sort of like…

Yeah, I had this Lumberjacks. Yeah, I have this guy, Todd, who went to school with who actually works for ESPN. And he does some of the color, some of the play by play on like, you know, world's strongest man where some guys flipping tires over. And if you can see if you can go 100 yards and

And then log rolling and stuff. Now, how in the world did you get into this? I mean, somebody had to have shown you that sport, right? So we are like the, you know, the strongest man competitions where these like freak sports, right? That people are like, I'll sit and have a beer and watch or a cup of coffee at four in the morning and watch, you know, these, these unique skills that people have on ESPN. So the way lumberjack sports worked is oftentimes these, uh,

these old time lumber camps, communities that were built on, you know, sawmill towns back at the turn of the last century. Um,

would kind of keep that history alive, much like in the West. You might have, you know, they still do rodeo shows and, you know, cowboy shows in towns out West. Oh, we do a lot of rodeos in Utah. I mean, all summer. It's just one rate at rodeo after another. And they're fun. Those guys are amazing athletes.

Oh, they're bull riding is like crazy town. You ever been, if you ever, you don't realize how big those bulls are until you actually stand by one. They're huge and full of muscle. And these little guys get on top and ride them. It's dangerous. And I mean, manly and they're tough. And, but so, so, so Jason, this was, um, we, I came from a town that, you know, had a huge logging presence and they kept their, the sport alive and,

in the community from what they, what they, what their founding came from. And so we had one of the largest lumberjack competitions in the country or in the world, actually in this small town where people from all over the world would congregate in Hayward, Wisconsin. And this is the town you're from, right, Sean? Where I'm from, right. Yeah. And so as I grew up, I, in the summer, instead of taking swimming lessons or diving lessons or soccer lessons, I took law growing lessons. I started when I was five and,

And my summers were filled with log rolling and going to log rolling competitions. So what's the one secret? What's the one thing you need to know about to be like the best log rolling kid on the block? So, well, just even to stand top of a log, it's pretty tough. So you have to actually look at where your opponent's feet are. That allows you to keep...

your center of balance in the log. And it's all about, you know, the center of balance has to be, you know, on top of the log where if you're too far forward or too far back, the log starts to spin and you're in the water. So keeping center of balance on top of the log and figuring that out is key for log rolling.

I know everyone listening to your podcast, I'm like, this is really useful information for me. Well, it is. It is. You see the parallel to politics. It probably is. There is actually. There is actually. In fact, Sean's I think part of, you know, Sean's secret sauce for winning in that first very unlikely election. Again, he unseated the third most powerful guy in Washington, D.C., the chairman of

appropriations who'd been in office longer than Sean and I had ever been alive. And he was very powerful and very mean. And Sean beat him. And the reason, one of the reasons is he, he had these great ads of, you know, he had this guy dressed up as a politician on a log and Sean, you know, rolled them off. And there was this idea and then he had a lot of chopping ads and,

you know, taking the ax to Washington and, you know, changing things up there. And he really used his experience as a lumberjack to do that. By the way, all of our kids, Jason, in the summer go to log rolling school in his town in Hayward because we have a little place on the lake near his parents place on the lake. We go up there every summer and the kids instead, you know, they take they don't take swimming lessons. They take

um yeah it really is a family sport as I see those people shimmy up those telephone poles I just think yeah everybody should be doing that everyone should be racing up and down in sparkles but but also but you look at politics is relating to people right and you you want someone who is going to reflect your value you don't know what votes are going to come up but you want someone to vote for you that shares your value you value your perspective and our country is

so diverse with different parts of the country having been started doing different things, different industries. And for us, being in lumberjack sports, a lot of our communities in central and northern Wisconsin were founded on logging. So when we did these ads at the start, people were like, huh,

this is this is really cool and this is really wisconsin and this is really us and they really kind of punch through and you know this and everyone listening your podcast knows this and some of these election seasons especially if you have a congressional race and a senate race that are really tight i mean millions of dollars come in and ads and when i ran in 2010 we had a senate race that's

That's the one that Ron Johnson won for the first time. And we had a governor's race where governor Scott Walker ran for the first time and won, but there were so many ads on TV and people were just sick of ads. And we created ads on lumberjack sports that were, that were different and fun and were able to punch through, uh,

the really negative environment that we all feel during September, October, and the start of November, right? Yeah, it gets exhausting. You're listening to Jason in the House. We'll be back with more of my conversation with Sean and Rachel right after this. So let's go back a little bit. You got this young family, but Sean, you went to law school. You were a prosecutor. But then talk about the...

You know, it takes a lot of gumption to say, hey, you know what? I'm going to go after this incumbent who we know is I don't know how many millions of dollars you probably had sitting in the bank and the ability to raise a lot of money. But when you and Rachel were kind of talking this through, what was the point? You said, yeah, well, let's go for this.

So as we talked it through, again, if you were to think back to, you know, 2009, Barack Obama was just being sworn into office and Democrats had won everything. And they had a super majority in the Senate. They had the House. They had everything in Wisconsin. And it felt really bleak for Republicans at that time. And

Um, it was about the moment where my Congressman at the time, uh, shepherded through the $800 billion stimulus bill of, of 2009. I did it in 2009 in, in, in June. And now compared to today, this is child's play, right? I mean, we're spending trillions of dollars without a blink of an eye, but back then 800, 800 billion was a lot of money. And I'm like, you know, I, we very well may lose this race and everyone says I shouldn't run. Um,

But I want to hold him accountable. I'm going to run a darn good race. And I think a conservative message will will resonate. And I have a lot of political friends that are involved in politics and campaigns. And Rachel and I went and spoke to a lot of them and no one was willing to help me.

But I had one, I found one consultant who was a friend who said, I don't think you'll win. My best advice to you is not to run, but if you're going to run, I'll give you some free advice and help you out. And people don't understand how lonely campaigns can be. It was literally Sean and Rachel. We were the team. That's all we had. I, we were doing full-time family. At that point we had five kids. Our sixth was on the way.

I was a full-time DA and at night after work, I was driving. We have a big district, so I'm traveling, you know, two hours, three hours, four hours to different events and then driving myself back at home. People think congressmen, steak dinners and drivers drove myself everywhere. On the weekends, I was gone and it was an effort.

that the two of us put in until we got in for the first six, eight months before I was able to hire someone to come on and start to help us out. And it was it was lonely to help him drive because I was afraid he was going to kill himself on the road. I mean, he was just burning the candle at both ends. And I was just so nervous at the hours he was keeping and he was driving himself.

I didn't care if we had a comms director. We didn't have that. We didn't have anyone helping us. All I begged for was that we could raise enough money so he could at least have or inspire some volunteer to, you know, drive him when when he had really late night events. I mean, our district is like a third of the state. It's 26 counties. It's giant, right?

Yeah, we, I went through a very similar experience because I was in that 2008 cycle and going up against a 12 year incumbent Republican. And I had everybody endorse the incumbent from president Bush to Senator hatch to Senator Ben. I mean, if you were in politics, you endorsed the other guy and I raised and spent less than a hundred thousand dollars to get this nomination, uh, you know, get through the primary there or get to the primary, uh,

I should say. And we had I never did have a paid person. We were all volunteers. I never actually got anybody on the staff because I never raised the money. And then and then we won and we won big because I do think ultimately people figure out.

who who's going to best represent them. And I know it's hard going up against an incumbent. Um, but I also think people want good people to get in, serve, and then get out. You know, I, I just, I worry about the people that park themselves like Joe Biden for 50 years. I just, I think he leaves the perspective. And as soon as you leave, you get a whole new perspective back.

A hundred percent. I don't know. This is just off the top of my head, Jason. I don't know if you feel this way, but in Congress, I would I feel like there's this group think that, you know, the Republican conference and your fellow colleagues and we have to do this and we have to go here and we have to vote for that.

And Rachel would always be at home going, listen, you guys are crazy. You're missing where the people are at. And I'd be like, well, no, we're doing it because this is the strategy. Once I'm out again, and I feel like I've become far more critical of what we used to do in the group think of the conference. Sean, you know what? It's funny. I thought about that, what you just said last night. I saw Chip Roy on Tucker.

And he was talking about the military funding that was just voted on and how it included putting women, drafting women into the military. That was part of the bill. And he named a few other things that he didn't like about the bill. But in any case, he named, he said, but, you know, this was a bipartisan bill, like 130 other Republicans voted for it. And I thought, you know,

Well, I mean, that's hard to be friends with those people because you guys are all collegial. I don't think people understand how well you get along with each other, by the way, even with the other side. That's one of the nice things about Congress. But it's hard to call other people out for doing the wrong thing. And it's just interesting. But but Jason, one of the great it was really hard for me to be in district and away from Sean because I was like a single mom.

But the upside of being a single mom with, you know, nine kids, eight, nine kids, um,

while he was in Congress is that I had the pulse on the people. And so when things went a little off, I was able, I think, to have conversations with Sean to go, hey, I know that they're pressuring you to do this, but I'm talking to people here and it's not feeling that way here. And there is something, I mean, he lived in the district, but even just those, those, that time in DC can be, can be, you realize what a bubble is.

Congress is. And there is a lot of

As Sean says, groupthink, and there's a lot of collegial decisions that have to be made. Sometimes it's good to make sure your family is at least in district and you're still connected in that way. Yeah, you know, it's hard to go back and forth. I was one of those office dwellers, and I think the hardest part and one of the biggest drivers of getting out of Congress, quite frankly, is when you love your family and you adore your kids, it's just like,

And it's just hard to get home. I mean, you probably had a couple of flights to get home. You know, at least we had a direct flight. But, you know, D.C., Salt Lake City is more than a four hour flight. And then you got to drive home. And and, you know, when I became the chairman of the oversight committee, I found myself being home three or four days a month. If that sometimes it was less.

Well, because then you're also, you know, you do your work in D.C., but then you come home and people want to see you at the Rotary Club and you're doing fairs. You got a parade. You got a very breakfast in Wisconsin. I mean, you go you're going all the time. And it's an honor to do it. It's really great work. But you're right that your family people don't understand the strain on a family relationship.

because it takes a lot of time to do the job and to do it well. And not everyone does it well, but like you, you put the time in and especially being a chairman of, at a time when it was really important, the oversight committee,

you're probably burning the candle at all ends and your family sees less of you and your country takes a little bit more, which is why it's good to serve and it's good to get out and go do other things. Can I bring up one other thing that I thought was interesting? Can I just say something, Sean, that feels like, I like the way you guys are talking about it. It feels like

a tour of duty right it's not a lifestyle it's not a lifestyle choice it's like I'm doing a tour of duty my family's in on this service and sacrifice but then a point reaches where you know your family first and we we reached that point too Jason where it just was there was just no more you just get to the point where you're like all right

I'm not the only person that can do this job. We can pass the baton and the republic will survive. Now, you'll do it the best, right? You're probably the best person, but someone else can't do it, right? But that humility is also important. That humility is also important to go, I'm not the only person that can do this. I love it.

But you know what I think is interesting, too? You have to raise money because I don't know how many. I have had very competitive races. And I'd have to raise like $2.5 million in a two-year time period to run a race and keep my seat as a Republican seat to keep the majority. And so you might raise $250,000 to $300,000, $400,000 a quarter depending on what time of year it is.

That has completely changed right now. You see some members of Congress raising $3 million a quarter. I wouldn't raise that in a whole two-year period. The amount of money that's now been flowing into politics is obscene, and it's unique how it's changed too. A lot of times PACs would give members of Congress who they thought they agreed with, they would help out their campaigns and give them campaign contributions.

That is really not as prevalent now for fundraising. It's now this people are given, which is really important. They're given, you know, $15 to one member, $20 to another. And it's what these little contributions that come in in mass that bring in these huge sums of money for members to run races or to give to their fellow colleagues. But there's less influence now that comes from political action committees and

And more of America is driving the contributions, which I think is actually a very positive development because, again, your constituents should fund your races. Right.

Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. And I, you know, I didn't have to raise as much money for my races out here. You get you get the Republican nomination in the Utah's third congressional district and it's pretty hard to lose a race. So, I mean, it's happened, but you have to really work at it to do it. Yeah.

Can I make one other point? I know it's a pocket. I still want to think about you, Jason. Sure. Interesting, because when you when you say that it's it's a very Republican seat. I told you that mine was very tough. A Democrat had the seat that I ended up winning for 42 years in Wisconsin. We have eight congressional seats. Five of them are Republican. Three are Democrat.

And my seat of the five Republicans was the least Republican of all of them. I was the ugly stepchild of the Republican Party members of Congress because it was a really, really tough seat.

In 2016, the worst performing Republican seat in the state, mine, had the highest vote total for Donald Trump. We went from the worst to the best seat in the state. And it was this phenomenon of Trump reaching out to people in a way that said, listen, I am going to fight for you. I know you've lost jobs. I know you've lost meals. Your incomes have fallen. I'm truly going to fight for

to help you bring those good paying jobs back. I'm going to put you first. And that idea for people was really, really powerful. Again, a Democrat voting district who was then voting 61 or 62 percent for Donald Trump was was kind of one of the biggest swings in for sure in our state, but at least in our region as well.

And again, people I think are okay if they lose a job in fair competition, they lose a meal because someone's doing it cheaper, they're okay with that. But if they're losing because they're getting cheated, they're beaded because they're cheated, that's when they get angry. And I think that's what a lot of people felt. And that's why Trump performed so well in this rural community. Now, the suburbs of Milwaukee where Jim Sensor Brenner is, and that was the largest Republican area of our state,

actually had a cascade of Republican voters that voted Democrat. But it's this kind of political shakeup that's happened around the country and realignment of how people think about politics and what party represents them now. This is a really transformative time, I think, in who's voting for what party and what motivates people to vote.

No, I think you're absolutely right. And you know what? We should do a podcast on just Jim Simpson Brenner. A lot of you may not know who this man is, but he is like this amazing individual. And I was on House Judiciary where he was the chairman and just a jolly, funny, crusty personality that...

That would actually be fun to do a Sensenbrenner and get some people who've worked with them along the way to hear Sensenbrenner stories. He is a congressional gem. He retired in January, but he has so much knowledge of the institution. And just he's a really smart man and, again, was great on judiciary. He was a former chairman himself. Rachel, the state of politics –

You know, it's so combative. It's so, there's so much vitriol. You know, you touched on something earlier that I think is right. Most, most every member gets along with all the other members and yet sure. I mean, you get 500 or 435 people together. There's always going to be some, some people on the fringes that you're like, oh my gosh, please. I, if I never see that person again, my life will be just fine. But it's,

the whole of the body really does it is collegial they do get along we go out to dinner and do things like that but

You know, I'm talking to some of the people that are still there in Congress, and it's gotten so personal. And I guess one of the things I'm so frustrated about is politics is infused into everything. I mean, there are places where you want to go, like a sporting event or, you know, entertainment, and you just step away from the politics of it. But it's pervasive everywhere. And I don't think that's necessarily healthy.

No, I don't think it's healthy. And I think, first of all, within families, I mean, I think that was one of the most distressing things that I saw in the Trump era, if you will. And you saw it even in congressional commercials where you had siblings cutting ads against their own sibling who was running for Congress. It was horrible.

it's horrible i mean just horrible i mean it politics really cannot be more important than family that's for sure but i do see what you're saying about you know whether it's sporting events you know school used to be a lot less political for kids i mean it just goes on and on even entered the entertainment world is you know infused with it and if i'm being really honest um

I don't think it's conservatives doing that. I do think it's the left. And I think the reason is that the left is largely secular. And for them, this is their religion. Um, politics is their religion. And for, I think for conservatives, um,

We're invested in politics and we care about policy, but we care about it in the context of how it affects our family. We're not trying to create a utopia on earth. We know that's not possible. We know where there's only one perfect human being. There's only one perfect place. It's called heaven. And that's what we're trying to get there on earth to do. But I think when you think it's all going to end,

when you think there's nothing after and this is it, you can start to get

a little too invested in all of this and it becomes a religion and you've seen it really on overdrive with the pandemic you really see people um you know treating the vaccine and masking in in in almost a religious sacramental way the way we look at our faith and um and also you know

the pandemic had that added effect. I mean, if you don't think there's anything after, then the fear factor of dying from COVID, it works on you even more because this is it for you. So I don't know. I think there's a lot of that. Sean and I spend many nights and car rides talking about what are we going to do? What is going on with this country? Because

You know, Sean got in in 2000, you know, decided to run in 2009 because we thought things were really bad. You know, when Obama was like, we're getting bad. When Obama got elected in 2008, we were very scared about socialism. We knew that.

that he was definitely a socialist. We had no doubt in our mind and we were worried about our country, but boy, I would love to go back to 2009, 2010. What we're in right now is so bad. And it feels like there's no way out sometimes. And we talk about a lot of times, not a revolution in a violent way or a secession in a, in a, you know, civil war way, but an economic and a cultural, um,

uh separation like a like in a like a divorce but in a bit an amicable one where i think we're so far apart jason that i don't know if we can find common ground because marxism which is what the left has has embraced it is communism it is socialism that is what they want it just is not american it's not american and so we have you know at least

you know, half, maybe less of the American people who are either true believers in that or, or at least are dumb enough to go along with it and be part of it. And,

And then another half who still wants to keep America, America and free and cares about our founding documents and thinks our founders are brilliant and and still wants, you know, the American dream and all these things. I think we're just so far apart, Jason. I don't know how we do this other than and you're kind of seeing it naturally happen now. A lot of people going unnoticed.

I'm out of New York. I'm out of California. I'm going to Arizona. I'm going to Florida, going to South Dakota, South Dakota. Not a great weather place, but having a boom of people going, I care more about just at least letting my family and my kids live free. I can't change the country. I'm going to go to states.

that let me live the way I want to live. Utah is like one of the fastest growing states in the nation and it's a large part because people want that. You're striking something I think is just right and it's manifest I think in the

in the philosophical difference in approach. And I think you're right because, you know, Republicans, we believe in limited government and self-determination and liberty. But those are not words and philosophies that you hear on the Democratic side of the aisle. It's funny because when Trump was in office, they talked about

fascists and you know fascism and he's going to do this and he's going to do that and he didn't really do any of that that they said he was going to do but now we are living it with biden and harris and it's exactly what they're doing they want all government all the time to make those decisions for you take your money and spend it for you and

But surveillance, a communist style surveillance snitch culture. That's what we're living under. They want to control everything. They want to force people to do what they want to do or else you're going to be banned from society. You're not going to be able to go to a restaurant. You can't go on a plane. I mean, Fauci said two weeks ago, you know, we need to look at like if you're not vaccinated, you can't get on a plane. I mean, this is controlling our movement. It's just crazy. It is. John, what's your take on it?

Well, so I, do you ever see the, the, the car with the bumper sticker on it? It's probably a Volvo or a, um, other liberal ask Subaru. Yeah. That's all the religious symbols that spell out the word coexist. Yeah. You ever see that? Right. Yeah. There is nothing about coexisting with the leftist liberals. They don't want to coexist with us.

They want to overtake us. They want to destroy us. They don't want to let you, you know, practice your faith and live a limited government lifestyle, family first lifestyle.

in Utah, they want to impose their belief, whether it's global warming, equity, not equality, CRT. They want to impose all of their views on you in Utah and me in Wisconsin and people in Texas. They don't want to coexist with us. They want to impose on us. And I think that's one of their big lies. And unless we realize that and start to push back and fight back, they're going to do it.

And I think there's not enough conservatives, again, because we're with our families, right? We work and we raise our families and you go to baseball and soccer. And there's a lot of things that we have going on in our life outside of politics. But if we don't start to engage in politics and fight for freedom and liberty and fight for the country, I think we lose it because they're fighting every single day. This is their, as Rachel said, this is their religion. This is their devotion. Yeah.

But this is where Sean and I are divided, Jason. I just think that like I'm I'm a born optimist, but I have to tell you, I feel more like a pessimist. I'm starting to lose faith in

politics and the power of politics to fix what I think is wrong with America, I'm almost getting to the point where I'm like, I'm just going to take care of my little world, my little family. I'm going to move to a town that's conservative. I'm going to, you know, just take care of this little space and hope they don't come for me because I'm

And I know they want to. But they're coming. It feels so much. They've taken over so many institutions and government that I just don't know what the answer is. Yeah, I think there's going to be a continued boom in rural America where people want a little space, little elbow room.

They actually will love their day. They want to like and love and and and be part of a community. And I guess one of the big eye openers that I had when I was in Congress is you finally came to the realization that, you know, those that are preaching the most tolerance,

are the least tolerant among us. There was no room for somebody who had a view other than theirs. And yet their accusation back to me was that I was the one that was intolerant and I was racist and I was this, that, and the other. And like, wait a sec, I, you know, it just made no sense. But I think that's where

And I think that's where America is. And, you know, I wish I could just wave a magic baton and whatnot. But I think our country is is is gotten worse in many ways. It's still the greatest country on the face of the planet, bar none. But we have to make sure that this younger generation, you know, understands what freedom and liberty and self-determination is all about, because, you

I'm like you, Sean. I have a libertarian streak in me as well. And I think that is, I think there's hope for that. I think when you start to actually talk to young people about what they believe, I always loved, I'd go into these schools and I'd play a little game where I'd separate the class, usually like a fourth grade class. And we'd make a house and then there'd be a Senate. And I'd get some kid who'd come up and be the president and

And inevitably, we would go through this exercise of having them do a bill and who should pay for it. And you go through that exercise. And you know what? Every time I did it in inner city Boston, I've done it in all kinds of places. They're very conservative, actually, when you really think through how the issues flow. It's so fun. Before all the indoctrination, right? Oh, yeah. But it's such a great point, Jason, because we're born free.

We're born, our hearts are made for freedom. You know, that's free will. That's how we're made. You know, to be enslaved, to be controlled, this is an evil force, right? But our hearts are made for freedom, and that includes economic freedom. And so it doesn't surprise me that those children...

have that react that their natural inclination is towards freedom. But what happens is we've seeded so much territory, including the education territory on that whole institution has been captured by the left. And that's, and that's what's hurting us. And these kids who grow up now with all these ideas are going to be ruling us. I actually think we've made progress on school choice with the whole COVID situation. I think, uh,

the case for school choices is better than ever. All right, we're going to run out of time. The internet only has so much space. What I really, really want to do is I want to kind of get to know you a little bit better. And so I have these rapid questions and I don't care how many kids you have or how many logs you've actually rolled. You're not totally prepared for this, but I'd like to go through it anyway, if that's okay with you. All right. We got it. All right. All right. So I'm going to ask you each individually. Okay. So

Rachel, what's the ideal time to go to bed? Around midnight. That's tough when you're doing Fox and Friends. It hurts on the weekends. Yeah, it hurts on the weekends. Sean, what's the ideal time to go to bed? 9.30, 10. Good luck. With all those kids, 9.30, 10? There's no way that's happening. You said ideal. I did, I did, ideal. All right. Rachel, what is Sean's most embarrassing moment?

uh, having to sing at Michael Jackson's studio. Um, when we were on the real world, uh, on the road rules challenge, that was one of our, um,

adventures that we had to do one of the things we had one of our challenges and I thought I sang bad until I heard Sean sing and he was in a production studio with all these people and I can tell it was just awful for him yeah there's no getting out of that one all the cameras are rolling yeah yeah it's terrible I can't sing or dance uh Jason so yeah I kind of figured that when I met you I thought yeah there's no rhythm

He's just not going to be a dancer or a singer. I figured that out. All right, Sean, what is Rachel's best moment? I think her best moments are on Fox and Friends. I think that she kind of tells things the way she sees it, and I think it's refreshing.

And I think she has struck a chord with a lot of people as she has a platform with Pete and Will in the morning to go out and share her perspective and view. And I think she's a ray of sunshine as I have a cup of coffee in the morning. I know. That's great. Don't lie. You're sleeping while I'm doing my show, Sean. That's such a lie. I'm not.

I can go back. I recorded so I can go back and watch from the beginning. She just skips over the Will part and the Pete part. She just hears the Rachel. He just listens and watches the Rachel part. You can do the four hours weekend Fox and Friends in like an hour if you just do the Rachel part. If you just forward through it. All right. Sean, you're up again. When is the last time you made the bed, the whole bed, and nothing but the bed?

Oh, I will say Monday morning. Is that true, Rachel? Does he really make the bet? If told, yes. It's not his inclination. I would say that. No, when Rachel is going to get mad that I didn't make it and I could have made it, I'll go up and make it without being asked. So that Monday morning, I'm like, I probably could have made this. She's downstairs. We're still like, yeah. So yes, Monday morning, Jason.

But thank you for asking that question, because if you'd asked before Monday, it might have been like, I can't remember when the last time. Well, I was only going to ask if Rachel was on the phone, too. So that's good. All right, Sean, what is Rachel's hidden talent? It's not that hidden, but she is an amazing cook. She is. She's fantastic. She can't bake anything, but she does. She does great dinners, great meals. All right. Thanks, honey.

Okay. And so, Rachel, what is Sean's hidden talent? I mean, we know he can roll logs. We know he's good in politics. We know he's a good dad. But like, what talent does he have that nobody knows about?

You know what? He is an amazing water ski instructor. So all of our kids can water ski because Sean very patiently every summer for hours on end will drive around the little bay by our lake and he'll teach those kids how to water ski. And it's a beautiful thing.

No, that's nice. Teaching them how to drive. I am not patient. They hate me as a driver. Yeah, no, they all do not. They all hate being taught to drive by Sean. Right. I'm kind of mean. I'm like, you're going to kill us. No. Well, that's good because you got it. You got it. Got a bunch of them. You got to teach along that way. So, yeah. All right. So, Rachel, what can Sean not do to save his life?

sing oh what can shot okay we know he can't sing but what else can he not do he can't cook it's i mean when i have to go away are you sure that's not a ruse because i gotta tell you a story look when i first got married my wife julie and i

I couldn't cook, you know, and that's what I told her. And then one, one morning she caught me making eggs, cracking eggs with one hand. And, um, she's like, what are you doing? And I said, all right, I can't make eggs. And then she, she never believed, she still doesn't believe me that I can't cook, but it was always in my best interest to let her know that I can't cook because she's actually a good cook. And you, you see my body, you can tell that I eat a lot. So kids,

If the kids are the judge, they will tell you that they can't wait for me to come home. They do not like anything he makes. Then what he'll do, too, is he'll make, like, industrial quantities of this not-so-tasty dish, so they all have to have it for multiple days in a row, which I would never do. He's just not a good cook. All right. Well, we all buy it. Judges are not arguing with that answer. Do you agree with that, Josh?

The kids complain. I can, I can, I've got a special hot dish that I do and I, and I can make chicken and I make a lot of it. So we eat it for days and they do. You did learn how to make chicken. I'm going to give you that, but it took you a long time to figure that out. Sean. Soggy chicken, burnt chicken. And then finally I got,

Now, I figured out that going to Popeye's was a whole lot better and easier. Way better idea. Chick-fil-A, Popeye's, and KFC, and then repeat. And you got more chicken than you can possibly get through. That sounds good. Frozen pizza is a classic for me. I'm like, okay, pizza again, kids. You don't like my hot dish? It's pizza. I love those. Testino's pizzas. Oh, yeah. And then what you do is you take tomato paste and you spread it on top. Then you put it in the oven. That's the way to do it.

Oh, that's an interesting idea. I hadn't thought about that. I'll throw a little extra cheese on too because they skimp on the cheese and I'm from Wisconsin so I do my cheese. But also mac and cheese too. I'll do mac and cheese as a classic dad cook as well when Rachel's gone. All right. That's good. That's good. All right. A couple more. Rachel, first concert you ever attended? That would be U2. Must have been Rattle and Hum. Yeah, they actually filmed with a helicopter for their big, you know,

I think it was for their music video, if not a movie. I don't know. But yeah, I was I got to go with my I'll never forget because I had to go with my brothers who were in college at Arizona State. So it was at Sun Devil Stadium and I was still in high school. So it was kind of like my first experience of like what it could be like in college.

And after that, I was like, I can't wait to go to college. Well, yeah. If you're going to go to a YouTube concert, YouTube concert every weekend. Why not? Yeah. Yeah. Sean, first concert you attended.

So my brother was a huge and still is a huge Tina Turner fan. So I had to go see Tina Turner live in concert. Come on. She's an icon. I had to go. I had to go to Tina Turner. And still he's like, he's like 53 and still loves Tina Turner. So what would you have chosen though? You probably would have chosen to go to poison, right? Yeah.

you see i love poison i love poison and meat i love meatloaf he's classic meatloaf is a fave and so is poison to which rachel doesn't like meatloaf or poison so

I always get booed with my poison picks which sometimes poison's not very age appropriate for little kids yeah it's not it's totally not you probably would have gone to the Wiggles that's what I would have you know something like that that was your first concert right but poison is sort of the opposite of the Wiggles so yes

You know, for a long time, I had convinced my kids and my kids' friends that I was in the Wiggles. And they would look at me and I'd say, yeah, I was actually in the Wiggles. And yeah, the guy with the purple shirt. And then we'd turn on a clip real quick and I'd turn it off real quick. And they'd look at me like, is that really you? And I'd say, oh, yeah, that was me. I'm older now. I've retired from the band, but I used to be in the Wiggles.

The things you do as a parent. But yeah, that's what I do. Okay. Last question. Rachel, what was your first job? Was it just the babysitting or when did you actually get a paycheck from somebody else? Okay. So besides babysitting,

My first job was working for morale, welfare and recreation at the Air Force Base at Air Force Base. Was that it was in California where the in Bakersfield and in McCarthy's district, Edwards, Edwards Air Force Base. So I worked in the in an office.

you know, going through files and doing all kinds of stuff. And that's what I worked. So I worked on the Air Force Base. They had like a summer program for kids to work. Sean, first job. So when I was young, I would fill in like they needed someone to log roll on a show. So I'd be like an eighth grade that had me come log roll to fill in. But my first real job, I bagged groceries at the IGA in Hayward.

And loved it. And these people would come through with these massive shopping carts like I do right now and get all these groceries. And I'd go home to my mom and go, mom, because she was like into health foods. We'd have grain and carrots and lettuce at my house and nori rolls with seaweed and stuff. And I'm like, why don't you go to IGA and get the carts of food like everyone else? Yes. 100%. My fond memories of bagging groceries and stocking shelves.

Yeah. When I, when I hired in conversation, I would always ask people like, I didn't like the trust fund kids. I wanted people who had worked. Did you have a job? Did you have to make it yourself? Did you have to have some grid and fortitude? Those are the kids I always wanted to hire as opposed to the kids who were like, had life easy. I want someone who is a fancy internships and things like that. We're never, they never turned out to be the best employees. No, I think that's right. I think the common denominator is kind of done this podcast. When we dive into people's background, um,

They started working and pretty, pretty young, but they learned to enjoy it and they learned to work hard and they learned the value of kind of reporting to somebody else and, um, and, and, and earning their own money. And the other common denominator, um,

along the way is a lot of these people have all been engaged in sports, whether it's an individual sport or a team sport, but they've learned the value of winning and losing and practicing and doing those things you need to do. It's kind of rare to none that I actually find somebody who doesn't have sort of that one-two punch of those types of skills. And you know what? It's also parents who...

who care and help and sacrifice. I don't know how many times my parents went to a soccer game on a Saturday, and I'm sure that they had a lot of other things to do

other than sitting under the hot Arizona sun, you know, watching me play soccer when it's 105 degrees outside. But, you know, parents do those things, and it makes a difference. And I think one of the metrics when people study our generation and before and beyond and everything else, they're going to see this difference between families that were raised with two parents as opposed to,

single parent households. Now, wonderful kids, wonderful families, just a lot harder, more difficult to do it. And you got a lot of incredible kids that come out of that. But if you're creating the best case scenario, I just think you have this coddling with two parents.

That's just my take on it. It's a two-person job. It's hard. I agree. Our wives saw that when we were going to Congress. That's kind of why we needed to get out of Congress, right, Sean? Exactly. It's a little much for one person. Yeah. No, I got the greatest respect for these, particularly single moms trying to do all they can, everything they can. It's amazing what they can do and do.

But, boy, it's, you know, I just think that we're going to look back at this society and say, wow, we had too much of this, that or the other. But you all are both an inspiration to us because you got a wonderful, beautiful family. I'm sure you have your heartaches and challenges and problems like everybody else.

But you got such a positive, bright spirit and an approach to life. And I think the proper role and balance of government and it's a joy to get to know you, work with you and hear your perspectives. And so can't thank Sean and Rachel, the two of you for joining us here on the Jason in the House podcast.

Thanks for having us on. Thanks for having us. Yeah, that's wonderful. And love watching you when you're filling in for Hannity or Judge Jeanine. You do an awesome job. And we all look up to you from those of us who came after you in the House at the great job you're doing, fighting for the American Dream, brother. Thank you. Oh, thank you both. I can't wait to see you again soon in person. So thanks again. Thanks for listening to the Jason in the House podcast. There's more podcasts over at FoxNewsPodcast.com, FoxNewsPodcast.com.

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