Rough Around The Edges ft. Aubrey O’Day 01:26:12

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Aubrey O'Day, thank you so much for being here. You are stunning, incredible. So I, you know, I did call her daddy. Yes. And then when you wrote me, I just thought you were hot and fun. Thank you. And then I saw that you were ex-partners with her. So then I was like, whoa, am I involved in a scandal here? Like how many people cross over? Not a lot of people. I mean, for whatever reason, but I think maybe there's been one other person who

I love that you just like don't give a flying fuck. No, I don't give a fuck at all. I just, I'm interested in what happened with you. I'm saying I don't give a fuck about going where I want to go. Yes. But like I just found you, at least your presence, so interesting and fun to observe and watch just by looking through what you put out there to the world. And I was so curious, like how did this relationship go sideways? Do you have seven and a half hours? Oh, that many? Yeah.

You can't sum it up into a sentence or two? Actually, I can. You got played. At the end of the day, you definitely got played because from my white girlfriends who know both of you, they said that you guys were partners, something with Barstool Sports, and then she walked away with a $60 million deal and you were left in the dirt. Zero. Not a penny. Yeah, how –

There were a lot of things, but I'm just gonna sum it up to she wanted to be famous more than anything. - Yeah, everybody does. - I mean, yeah, I wanna be like super successful, but I never growing up was like, I wanna be a star and like have all that attention.

But did you? I wanted to be talented and impactful. And I am. So I did exactly what I wanted to do. I don't think I ever had the goal of being famous. But I will say I have had girlfriends along the way that definitely wanted to be famous. Kim wanted to be famous. And I understand what you're saying in regards to that mentality. Those people usually do better than people like us.

Because they are strategic about every fucking thing they do. And people like us who want to be seen for our talent or for our impact or whatever else, we can make mistakes on the celebrity side. Like I don't consider the celebrity side having anything to do with me or my identity or my purpose or like why I was here. That's just some bullshit that entertains people. And sometimes I play into it. Sometimes I don't. It's like,

neither here nor there for me but i the people who stay focused in that area can become a celebrity for simply just wanting to be a celebrity a thousand percent they're very in tune with just the marketing of it all and not necessarily like the talent or like what they're bringing forward it's like what you said everything is so strategic they know how to

box themselves up and wrap it in a pretty bow and sell it. So when it came to 60 million or 60 million, is that what it is? Yeah. Okay. So when it came to $60 million, why the fuck couldn't you figure out how to box yourself up, bitch? When the 60 million thing was announced, I think I was like three, four episodes in and my cousin Alex, she was with me. She had to drag me to the microphone when that was announced. Dang.

Yeah, I don't even think I would have made it to the microphone. That shit would have made me sick. Why did she get to take the name? You guys were together for two or three years, right? Did you guys not in three years decide that you were going to trademark the name?

- So we had asked for the IP back and we were-- - From who? - From Barstool. We had completely-- - Did they come up with the name? You guys had it before Barstool. Why the fuck did Barstool own your trademark? - We signed everything over. We were young. - Oh, child. - We were young. I had no idea. I'm from Utah. I didn't know any better. And also I was presented with this opportunity

To leave my cubicle job. I get it. It's a lack of ignorance on your guys' end. And then... Or it's ignorance, sorry, on your guys' end. And then it's a lack of like...

I think morality on a business corporation side, because when you know that you're plugging two people out and owning their trademark, you know you have complete control over them. And if they had built for two or three years something, if I'm a corporation, I would look at those two people and think, how do we do a fair business deal where I end up a little bit more happy? But I wouldn't need to be completely happy at your expense, but I would want to just end up a little bit more happy than you. So I could see them taking some...

but I think they saw that you guys didn't have it together and they handled it. Trademarks are super important, though. That's why Diddy could never take Danity Kane from us. We own the name. How did you guys know that that was so important? Because how old were you when Danity Kane became a thing? 17, I think.

You were seven. So how did you know like, okay, IP is so important at 17? I have an entertainment attorney for a mom. Oh, shit. Yeah. So I was going to law school. I mean, I already knew all of that. But surprisingly, my whole group was pretty savvy when it came to that. We came up with the name in a room. We went back and forth and each of us contributed to get to the final name.

Even when you're in a studio and someone comes up with a song, if there's four people in it and one person comes up with the great line, if four people developed an hour of conversation to that line, everybody's getting a cut. So I gotta watch who's in the room when you're creating things. I mean, you learn these things along the way. But if you both came up with that name, I mean, arguably you could have had a lawsuit against them because if you established it in the space

- Yes. - Then you would own it, no matter who came along and bought it, even if they bought it after you established it, you could say we didn't have the money to establish it, but we put it in the space first. - Yes. - And you'd be able to get it back, however, if you signed away the right to it, to Barstool, then you just got played. Did you guys like get in a fight and throw phones at each other and like smack each other around or? - No, we didn't get physical, but we were getting in very intense fights at that time. - Did anyone call anyone a great name and I wanna know what it is?

Like, cunt, bitch. Did you guys throw any of those out? No, but she... I could have come up with so many good lines for that girl. I'm not saying I would because she was perfectly nice to me, but I definitely have a heart for you in this situation. I don't know all... I mean, I don't know her side to it and I've not investigated any of this shit, but I...

think you're really sweet she was also very sweet you're a different kind of sweet I can see where you're more and this is a compliment in my eyes rough around the edges I am too totally and rough around the edges people tend to sit better with me in the sense that I know that you're not a scripted human yes I'm genuine but I also think that but you also lost 60 million for it

Guess what? I totaled up the album. How much an album was back then would be around probably like $14.99. Double platinum twice. It was something around $60 million too. And I was like, wow, I gave $60 million away in my teens. Oh, so you did? Yeah.

I mean, I didn't make one cent off of anything and I'm a credited publisher on many of the songs. Okay, so was I just, did I not understand you correctly? Because you said your mom's an entertainment attorney. Yeah, but when I did Making the Band, I had to sign my entire life away, 360 deal. I got out of it because I'm really smart.

But when I signed it, my mom was like, this is ridiculous. You shouldn't sign this. Same thing. And I was just like, you know, this is a once in a lifetime opportunity. There was no reality TV then. It wasn't like there was TV stars. It was very minor. It was before American Idol. There were no music competition shows like that happening. Yeah.

So it was a very, very new space and I absolutely did not have a dream of being where I'm at. And so for me, it was like a fun thing to do when I go back to college and I'll be like the more popular girl in my sorority and everyone will kiss my ass and keep it moving. - That was my thought process too. I was working at Morgan Stanley in a cubicle. - Which is impressive. - Nine to five, thank you. It wasn't that impressive of a job. - What was your group mate doing?

She worked at a magazine, I think. Okay. And would like sell the magazine. Some marketing? Yes, marketing. But I think to your point, I was thinking to myself, this company is huge and I have nothing to lose. I mean, in hindsight, do you regret signing everything over or not because they gave you such a huge platform? Um...

My platform came with a lot more than yours did. Yeah.

You're like, Sean Diddy, I think, is kind of a very major character in the entertainment industry. And I was on television, bitch. Well, yeah, no, that was all very major. And it was like reality TV wasn't washed like it is today. It wasn't fake like it is today. Like it was a real show, which I'm like still to this day, like want the credit for because everything is such bullshit. And I've been a part of so many shows.

bullshit moments on television and part of other people's bullshit moments to help them out. And I just know too much. And I even when I go home with my friends that aren't in the industry, and they'll regurgitate something they read in the media or why they love their favorite person. And I'm like, Oh, bitch, we wrote that shit in like four minutes. Yeah, do like, it's just I see how impactful it can be to someone who isn't in it. But it really is just bullshit. So it's hard to be on the same page with a lot of people because they have no idea

how much every how hands-on everything is healthy yeah like this whole let me show my stretch marks and be real on instagram shit that everybody's doing nowadays like i i don't need to see anyone's stretch marks i'm all good if you have them that's great i have them too no one goes on instagram to authentically share their life unless you're like a fucking like nerdy ass person that like posts three times a year if you're actively pursuing that platform it's a platform

There's money to be made from it. There's brands to be established on it. That's what it is. Yes. And so everybody on it is giving you a highlight reel of their life, whether they want to piss their ex-boyfriend off or whether they want you to buy into their brand. Everything is on purpose that you post. You have to think through it before you click send. Yes. It's not accidental. It's not just captured. It's all content that you've made.

- Even paparazzi photos that are an accident, like, oh my God, Emily Ratajkowski seen walking her dog. - Those are all staged. - Every single one is staged. - When I first started learning who has like, I started getting jealous, like I got with a huge representation firm and they were like, oh, this person has 90% of their pictures in control. You have zero.

That's why you guys look the same in person and you feel like you're exactly like them but all of their representation online is beautiful and you have fat photos.

Like literally, I have zero ownership over. I got to take ownership in a few scandalous moments of my life. I've had many. I monetized a few of them because I got smarter and fuck you. But before the game. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like there were a few moments where I was like, OK, if I'm taking this out, I'm making some money off of it.

Would you say what they are now? Sure. When the Trump, Don Jr. thing got leaked in the media, I mean, I spent likely a decade or something, maybe a little less than that, like covering it up with Michael Cohen before he went to prison for them. And...

like was coming out of Ralph's I was a Fashion Nova ambassador it was St. Patrick's Day and everybody posts for Fashion Nova so I never looked at it like

In the way other people did, I wasn't going to take a blurry photo on the side of my street and act like it was cute. I was going to give you a full-blown billboard ad for every picture I did, which was my own little niche that I wanted to have. They hated it. I got in trouble all the time. They wanted just the regular, friendly, approachable girl. But I'm like, you have 100 of them. Let me do something cool.

And I got milk and Lucky Charms and I was going to get into a bath of milk and Lucky Charms. And then I was going to create like a larger than life St. Patrick's Day photo. I'm not just a bitch in some green lingerie. I'm sitting in a bath of milk with Lucky Charms eating it because I'm that bitch. And the photo today to this day is epic from the hair down to the toes.

Now, I brought that up to say when I walked out that day, there was like a firing line of paparazzi. And I rolled back inside and I said, bitch, stop. You are not the shit. You are a D-list bitch. Like, walk back out there. You must have been walking out when fucking Tom.

Tom Cruise or some other celebrity that comes to Ralph's. Like everybody goes to that Ralph's because a lot of people were living in West Hollywood at that time. Got it. So like I was like, that was not about you, bitch. Calm down. So I walked and just busted his butt, walked out the store again and it happened again. And I ran back inside and I was like, OK, you're holding the milk in the girl like three, three or four bags of bullshit from Ralph's.

And I had like, I didn't have a wig or a weave piece or even a clip on to save the fucking moment, bitch. I didn't even have one in my pocket to throw on, which I always do. In your purse, you'll walk around with it in your purse. Now I keep a wig in that bitch ever since they've,

they I've seen how they edit and play you. Well, once I had fat photos and I knew what I really looked like and all my friends that are real, like showed up to my door and were like, holy shit, this bitch must have gone under. And then they came to my door and were like, wow, you really got fucking played.

That made me so mad. I to this day, you can ask my best friend sitting here like I just to walk my dogs, I'll throw on every little thing and I'll be skinny looking good, but I'll throw on like five jackets just because they can pull your skin out just like everybody pulls it in on Instagram. That's so awesome.

It's wild. It's just like, it's disgusting. But how did they know? Like, what was going on? The story had dropped that I had an affair with Don Trump Jr. And for some, I don't know. You didn't leak it. No, I kept it out of the media without.

Michael Cohen's help, we made a, Don and I made a decision and I continued on with that decision for years. There were multiple photos and multiple very troubling things. But what happens now is like what I learned, you can get things out of the press, but you, it's legally not allowed. You can't go to Us Weekly and kill a story, but it happens all the time. They just do ad buys. So you see Kim K coming out of the Trump Hotel instead of Aubrey and Don Jr. in New York.

Africa. Yeah. Making out on a security camera. So they buy and sell their way down after the top people get it, like a people or somebody that's a little more serious of a rag mag. Then it goes to us and it goes to these people, that people, all the way down to the National Enquirer, which they own. So got it. And so you guys made a decision to just keep it under wraps and like this is how we're going to do it type thing. And then somehow the info got out.

A decision was made and then I had no interest in being involved in that because I didn't know. First of all, I didn't even know how to speak about what had happened. I was on so many fucking drugs. I was snorting Ambien, bitch. Shut up. Who snorts Ambien? I snorted Adderall with some of my white girlfriends one time. That's only a white girl thing. I don't know any person of color that snorts Ambien.

Adderall. But a desperate white bitch will fucking, if they've done a little bit of coke in their life, will get excited and think putting things up your nose is fun. And they'll chop up some Adderall and snort it, which I did one time, almost vomited. It smelled, this is the only thing I could tell you. It literally felt like I had just ingested, remember how we are all in like science class in middle school? We all had to dissect the pig. Yes. You know that smell of death that preserves it? That's what it felt like I had just put in my body when I did it.

- I've, trust me, I've had my-- - Have you ever snorted Adderall? - Of course. - Thank you. Okay, every white bitch has. - Of course. Every fucking-- - It's fun. I mean, not like boring white bitches, but fun white bitches all have snorted Adderall.

Girlfriend, I was the snorting queen. Like, I didn't give a fuck. I would, I remember, I was crazy. What do you mean was, bitch? You're 21. How old are you? I am 30. You're 30? I'm about to be 31. You look so good. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you so much. So do you. Thanks. I'm almost 40. Stop. Yeah. No way. Yeah, I'm 39. I'm 39.

Okay. I'm an old ass bitch. Look at us though. I know. And I've been in it since my teens. So imagine how much I could say about everybody. Yeah. I'm sure you have fucking stories. Yeah, I do. Wait, she told me the car. Daddy girl told me that you guys did your first episode teaching girls how to get blowjobs. Who was the actual instructor? Because I'm I am very sold in my soul about who can suck a dick and who can't between the both of you. But you go ahead and let me know.

Because I would not take one of your opinions about sucking dick. I'll tell you that. I was about to say, really? You would actually think I know how to do it because I talk about how I fucking don't like doing it. Oh, really? Yes. Why don't you like sucking dick? I mean...

I would rather get eaten out and fuck. You know what I'm saying? So you enjoy it. I would rather suck a dick than get eaten out. What? Yeah. Most men don't know how to eat pussy, number one. Number two, you suck a guy's dick good, he is coming back every time. You could get rid of every bitch in his life if you know how to suck his dick properly. Yes. I mean, if I'm in it just to make sure this dude fucking falls in love, blah, blah, blah. But I'll just fuck him. Guys, if you could suck their dick...

I really good. They like that better than fuck. They'll come back to you more than a fuck. Every girl can spread their legs open and fuck. Yeah. There's a man right here. What? That's true. If you just fuck a girl, if you just fuck a girl for a night, you don't think the next day, God, I miss her unless she's performing like all kinds of trickity tricks or got some big fat booty that you just had never experienced before. Most bitches even out at the end of the day.

But a girl that sucks your dick on a phenomenal level, you're gonna keep calling her, right?

Wow. Okay. Well, maybe I just have incredible pussy because I feel like guys always come back. I swear to God. Well, they should come back. I'm not saying they shouldn't come back after that. You shouldn't fuck or suck anyone's dick that isn't coming back, in my opinion. Girls out here are reckless nowadays. We had traffic this morning because they were all trying to get home from their rendezvous last night. I saw all kinds of reckless ass bitches with their clips dangling in their cars and their struggle Hondas.

I just think, and you're gonna disagree with me on this, I find it very bizarre when girls are like, "Okay, I'm gonna go hang out with this guy, and the only thing I'm gonna make sure happens is that I suck his dick and he comes in my mouth." Yeah, all my guy friends, when I got home, they were like, "LA has straight changed this new generation of girls."

are wild. And I was like, explain it to me. One, I have a couple, I have a couple friends through friends in it. So I asked the girls, they were like, girl, it's all about money. It's all about what you can do for me and money. I'm not giving anyone my pussy that doesn't meet one of those requirements. And to me, when I was running the streets and like, it was never for me about

that to me it was like who because i can have any one of these people who's gonna impress me most who's gonna see me most see me yeah not the idea of me but me who's gonna put in the most work yeah you were not the girls nowadays don't need to be known they don't need to have you understand them they're gonna fuck you and suck you if you've got money or an opportunity for them yeah and and

And you didn't mean that. Personally, like, said it to me, literally. And I'm like, wow, they work these things called poker parties. I know about them very well. Okay, so basically you're an escort. Mm-hmm.

Like give them massages and then by the end of the night. Yeah. And there were poker parties when I was an it girl because I lived next door to girls that weren't it girls. And I was wondering how the fuck do you live next door to me? Yeah. And then I found out because they do poker parties. Yeah. You can make a lot of money. I know. They make more money than us. Everybody on OnlyFans makes more money than us. When I got on OnlyFans, I was like, let me, hmm.

- Let me see, Carmen Electra told me like, girl, that's where the money's at. 'Cause I was like, where are the deals at? There's no more deals that are worth the amount of time it takes to do with them. There are no more big deals on Instagram anymore. They've all gone over to TikTok. If you think I'm gonna fucking do TikTok dances for a living, you have another thing coming. - So you don't have a TikTok? - I do, but let me just, this is my, I'm gonna try to speak politely about TikTok because somebody has it out for me at that motherfucker, but they will not verify me.

And yet I'm Aubrey O'Day. Yeah. I gave them a picture of me holding my driver's license and a big high. I even sent the magazine covers at one point just to be a little bit of a cunt. They said, we're not verifying you and we don't have to and we don't have to give you a reason, but keep giving us great content. Thanks.

And I was like, I literally responded. I went on TikTok and because it's a newer platform, the most talkable Aubrey moments they know about are fat photos, fake fat photos or some other shit. So all I see are verified nobodies. Mm-hmm.

telling everybody about some fake fat photos and they give full dissertations about how I must have ended up a big fat loser in life when these motherfuckers don't know one thing about me. I literally watched a girl that went through the entire history and mentality of what it must have taken for me to get like that. And I'm like, this shit is, it's almost comical,

- It's so mean though. - I don't even care about the mean part. - No, I know. - It's funny to me that they spent that much time on creating like such a dissertation for my life. - Yeah. - Like you poor thing. - Right. - But there's five million of them, they're all verified, but the subject

of their hate when TikTok literally takes down what? You take down every single post. I've literally had almost every post I've ever put on TikTok taken down for breaking guideline reasons. I don't know what the fuck I'm breaking. Yeah, TikTok is notoriously bad. Okay, so it's not just me. No, it's not just you. Okay, I was taking it personally, bitch. I thought somebody working there had it out for me. No, they don't. They absolutely don't.

It took me forever to get verified. I had to like go through this certain person who knew someone, who knew someone, who knew someone. That is not how a platform should be. I completely, like when people still are trying to figure out how to get verified on Instagram, like the process that you have to go through, you have to know the right people. My goddaughter had more followers than me at one point, yet couldn't get verified. And the person who knew somebody that got me verified prior to, I don't talk to anymore. I don't know who to go to to get verified anymore. That was ancient. I've been on that.

platform forever. - Yeah. - I feel like these social media corporations have a lot of power in deciding who's going to be the human being that we pluck out of oblivion to give the algorithm to, to be today's winner of a million likes. - Yeah.

And there's no rhyme or reason or maybe there is maybe their backdoor deals when I was in the music industry. Like there were backdoor deals with radio. What are the heads at radio stations called? Program directors. Yeah, program directors used to do backdoor deals with artists like we'll we'll put you in rotation a certain amount if we get a cut of the sales of the song.

And there were backdoor moolah deals happening every which way. So there's got to be backdoor deals on these social media sites. A million percent. Okay, so then why are they not being discovered and discussed? Because I need this whole shit to stop. Honestly. It's making our civilization stupid. It is. And this is, I've heard this from multiple people. Meanwhile, this is going to be cut and put on TikTok, by the way. It's going to go bomb. With some unverified bitch. No, verified.

- Nobody. - Yeah. - With their name. - Who's then gonna like drag us and say we're fucking ugly and annoying and stupid. - They're gonna edit us, that my waist is gonna be over there. - No, but I heard from a very reliable source, and this is no shade to Dua Lipa. I think she's beautiful. I think she's extremely talented. - It's fine, you don't have to do the thing. I get it. I don't think you're hating on anyone. - So I heard that she was posting videos on YouTube of her singing.

And there were a couple people at YouTube that wanted to try out this new algorithm feature and they plucked her, they chose her at random. - They didn't choose her at random. They are friends with her manager, her agent, her publicist, or somebody. 'Cause why would you choose someone at random when you can get a backdoor cut of a deal? - When you can get a ton of money. Yes, okay, so you're, yes. - Likely, allegedly, I don't know. I don't know about the situation you're discussing. - Everything we're saying today is allegedly, okay? - Yeah, let's just put that out there.

allegedly there we go now we can say whatever the god bitch and they just made it so that her youtube videos were always at the top like you search this keyword and you know it populates all of her shit got it look at her now she's one of the biggest pop stars in the world yeah i've heard that

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So basically every single thing, every press article, every picture you see is contrived.

Yeah, I'm not with all of that and have to be in some way. We need to do it. Listen, I've seen TikTok videos where people are interior designing or teaching you cool cooking tricks or hacks. I think that's great. Yeah. I love that that's given an opportunity to shine. Yeah. But those people aren't making millions. They're still on their struggle putting, you know, melons in ice this time instead of strawberries. Like.

Like, I don't think that those people are truly rewarded on those sites necessarily. Maybe. At least they're getting an option to shine. We maybe didn't know that trick otherwise. So for that reason, and some people have interesting perspectives. I'm sure I'll find one one day. But I don't... I think what's rewarded on it is...

Getting in there early, pushing out three TikTok videos a day. Have you been on threads yet? Yes. But you went on to go because everybody had to go the first day. We all had to if everybody told you to go. Yes. But...

There you go, everyone. It was a requirement for any D-lister like me or A-lister like Kim Kardashian to go on threads that day. Like, let us live a life without all this bull... You know my fucking apps are on my phone? My fingers are blowing up. We are all getting more cancer and closer to death. You and I are so similar. It goes back to the rough around the edges shit. Yeah, I know. Like, we're just...

We're real. Like, we're real. I know. And can I tell you the ending of that story? Yes. You're going to take a lot of L's, bitch. It's going to hurt. That $60 million that your cousin had to bring you to the microphone. You're going to have a lot of days like that. And it really fucking sucks. Mm-hmm.

And you're going to know the truth about everyone that's living way better than you. Yes. You're going to have to do little struggle things sometimes. And sometimes you'll be good. Sometimes you won't. Because people still do like authentic, real chicks. They like the rough around the edges girls. But it's not the most marketable personality. No.

- No. - And what I always wanna tell everyone is you bitches want authentic so bad, but then you talk about the Kardashians for three hours of your fucking day every day. - Yeah. - That ain't it. I think there's people that don't like the rough around the edges girls. I didn't even, I couldn't get accepted to Raya.

I know so many Instagram hoes that literally are just that. That's all. Is that why you were on Hinge? Yeah. How'd you know about that? Because I looked into your research. Oh, yeah. No, I'm happy. I'm like, did I date one of your friends? I'm so sorry. No, but I was on Raya. And then?

And then, OK, well, not to be mean, but I'm a bigger deal than you. And I couldn't get on Raya. I'm still in the fucking hold pile, which is basically the whoever is deciding on Raya, you pissed off or you pissed off somebody that knows them. And it's a bunch of publicists in New York. And they're likely friends with a Trump or a Pauly D human being.

That's all I've done. Y'all bitches get so mad over these men that I tell the truth about. Why though? Because you want to believe that they are who they say they are. Uh-huh. Did you have drama with Pauly aside from the fact that he cheated on you? Yeah, girl. The whole relationship was drama. Yeah. Fucking hellfire. Dumpster fire. And I took part in it. I mean, I'm actively to blame as well. But yeah.

Yeah, it was a hot mess. But, you know, he told me it's so easy for me to be the shiny, great guy that everybody loves because everyone around me is such a hot mess that, like, I get the good edit easily. I don't even have to work for it. I could totally see that being very accurate. Yeah, and he accurately was able to voice that to me, too, which shows that.

which one he is out of the call her daddy girl and you yeah it is what it is i feel that he makes more money good for him we ain't pulling up to a 60 million dollar mansion no we're not but but i can there are good things that we exactly i was like i can't sleep at night but it has nothing to do with my karma that's why you're out here snorting ambient yeah i forgot i

I don't know why I snorted it. I think I was on some melodrama. Yeah. Well, yeah. Can you walk me through that thought process to be like, you know what? I think snorting this is what's really going to get it done. I had to have already probably been on it hallucinating. Yes. And then I like drew out the name of Dawn and I's baby that we were going to call our kid and like drew it out.

And I bitch, I thought I think I thought cameras were on me and I needed to play it out like an episode of 90210. I don't know why a human does that. I look at myself in retrospect like bitch, you are embarrassing. Get your fucking ass up and figure it out. But no, I sat there in that bathroom steam melting down all the ambient to mush. Stop. Spelling out the name with a fucking blade, you know, that I had in my house, in my toolkit, just blading it like an old coke head. Yeah.

Yeah, so it was an emotional situation and I was spelling out a name. And...

Yeah. And then my mom 5150'd me. Luckily, I was living in Orange County at the time, so it didn't get hit by the press. I called my friends in the 5150, and I was like, yo, you need to come get me before they throw me in jail. And then my best friend came and got me. We went back to my house. I had like an outdoor patio and a daybed on it. And she's like such a great friend. She looked over at me, and she was like, are you fucking done yet, Aubrey? And I was like, what do you mean? And she's like...

I don't know, like you're snorting Ambien? Because when the cops showed up, I was high as fuck. I think what happened was I walked outside and I gave my dogs away to somebody on the street. In my mind, I created a movie on this drug hallucinating that my dogs...

would be happier somewhere else everything is rejecting me okay you're like in a very dark depressed place that's why you're out here sorting it yeah and I was also in other positions and having to lie to everyone in the world about it it's not a fun place to be you know what it feels like yes you had a day I do probably many now but there's many more to come and that sometimes are even uglier than that one yeah it's not easy for the rough around the edges girls it's not

And so I decided in my mind that these beautiful, precious dogs that I love so much were like not safe in the hands of someone that's so reject, like that everything's rejecting or that it wasn't chosen. And that stems from issues in my childhood and likely generational trauma and whatever. So I gave them away to like a neighbor who, thank God,

Was like responsible and just was like concerned. And I think they contacted somebody who contacted my mom who doesn't care about me enough to call me, just 5150'd me, allegedly. Okay.

And then my friend laid down next to me and she's like, you're giving away your dogs, Aubrey. You were going to Columbia Law School before this. This whole fucking world you live in is fake. It's stupid. It's not real. You loved a guy. He chose somebody else. We all have, bitch. Welcome to your 20s. Yeah.

You can't go to snorting Ambien and giving your dogs away on the street every time some shit goes really fucking bad because all this life is is going to be a series of staying afloat until shit gets really bad and it's all going to come down your life's

Meaning yeah is gonna come down to how you handled the bad days. Yeah, that's all that matters Everybody's happy when shit's going good. That does not impress me. Yeah, what do you do when shit is really bad? Mm-hmm And she was like you have to get better at handling your bad days. This can't be the norm I'm not gonna be here for you the next time you do this Wow, this is way too fucking dramatic. I

That hit home. Yeah. So I just was, she said that shit to me and I was like, fuck, you're right. Everybody out here is going through some shit. It feels like we're going through it in a way more intense way because it's in front of the whole world. Like I asked my group of girlfriends when those fat photos were out and everyone came thinking there was something wrong and then they realized there wasn't. And I said to them, how many of you guys have been like,

on just in your personal life. Let's not even talk about a world scale. Let's just talk about your personal everyday life in Palm Springs. How many times have you been humiliated? Most of them didn't have one. One of them was like, oh, one time I fucking was talking shit on my boss and I sent it to the whole company on accident in an email. That was pretty fucking embarrassing. Another one had something with a boyfriend. Yeah.

But like there were one or two potentially in the whole room. I was like, okay, well, let me just paint this picture clearly in a sentence. I have been deeply humiliated so many times in front of the entire world since I was 17. So many times I don't even remember.

Since you were 17. I don't even remember most of them. That's crazy. I can't even remember how many times. So the type of skin that I have is something that's a different word than thick. They don't have a fucking word for the type of skin I have. Yeah. Yeah.

and i can tell right like you came into this interview and you're just zero last night's dress ready to go drove at 7 00 a.m back from my club appearance to be here with you today i know thank you so much for doing that that's so sweet she waddled in here you guys waddled

This is not... By the way, it's morning time and we're dressed like some hookers in the goddamn club. Hookers. It's okay, bitch. We wanted to impress each other. A game sees game. I get it. I got you. I actually... Yeah, I have never... You needed to have a different panty on, but... Yes. Or none. None, except then I'm... You're giving cooters shots. Yeah. I guess they could blur it out on YouTube, but I also just... Or they could not and you could make more money. That's true, but...

This is the game we live in. If I'm going to show my pussy, like, I'm going to not just have it, like, you know, exposed on a random YouTube thing. I'm going to launch my OnlyFans. Imagine what Britney had to go through. That was the first... I don't know if it was the first celebrity pussy, but it was the first time maybe a leak...

You know, the alleged sex tapes that were leaked, the stories behind those are not the stories that are told about them. I think everybody kind of knows that at this point. I don't know about Pam's. I think hers probably was real. The sex tape? Yeah. Likely had to be. I mean, they've now written a series off of it in many documentaries, so I'm sure that that was real. But everybody after that was real.

caught on to game and did deals, backdoor deals. And like, and they became, they blew up over it. But like nowadays there's OnlyFans. You could just go make money over there. Yeah. I don't even know why girls escort anymore. I don't even know if they do. Oh my God. I've never thought about that. Why? Why? If you could just go on OnlyFans. Yeah.

I mean, actually, I feel like there will always be room for escorts. Yeah, OnlyFans, but dudes want the actual thing. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But, like, why do you want to give a random dude the actual thing when you can make more money just putting it on? Exactly. OnlyFans will probably be, like, everything else where it gets so saturated. It already is. I'm on the, I joined the train, like, I'm dangling from the back of it right now. Hitting the fucking tracks every goddamn day. What does that even mean?

It means there's a handful of like legitimate celebrities on that site and I don't even know who owns it and I'm not being promoted at the highest of levels and I should be. Because what I give to Instagram and the amount of detailed time and consideration that I give to whoever is getting to enjoy my content is highly important.

I know we don't have an Academy Awards for OnlyFans yet, but we fucking should. I think we're working harder than most of the actors out here at this point. Well, also, who are all of the biggest actors now? They are 17-year-olds who blew up on TikTok. Yeah. There's never going to... I don't... I think the age of...

iconic celebrity is over. There's a new TikTok star every other day. - Yeah. - So you can't icon them anymore. So now what, and I've talked to all the managers and agents in the industry who now have to represent them and they're angry about it, everybody is.

They're just like, they're such assholes and idiots and we have to like take them seriously. It's horrific. Everybody hates it. And they all say, they come to us with millions and millions and millions of followers off these platforms, but we get them what they really want because we can get them anything with those numbers. And we can never translate the numbers over to the deal.

We can translate their numbers over here, over to the movie they just did or their cooking show or whatever else. They don't get off this platform and go find them somewhere else. Icons, you will follow everywhere. Beyonce walks wherever she wants to walk and we pay attention. Right. We don't have even music icons anymore. All the icons that we are still looking at musically are people that were already legendary before the flip.

- And Dua Lipa. - She was there before the flip. Dua Lipa was around before COVID. I think COVID is where these sites blew up, where everybody was at home and everything flipped. - Yeah, yes. - Imagine I was gone living in Bali and I come back after I fully healed and now I'm back in like the biggest heap of shit I've ever seen in my life. I don't even know how to speak on it with respect. - Uh-huh.

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How long were you in Bali? For years. Yeah. And you went alone. Yeah. Your relationship with Donald Trump Jr., that was years ago. That was before you went to Bali. It came out when dad was president, though. Okay. Got it.

Got it. And you don't really know who leaked it or put it out there. So many people had it. So many people. It had been killed for so long. I think once Michael Cohen wasn't there and once people saw what happened to somebody that was a fixer, that was doing things for them, that you can actually go to prison and serve a sentence for it, I think a lot of people probably stopped...

you know, chokeholding the truth. Yeah. More truths are coming out. So why now are all of these like news outlets picking it up and talking about it again? Because I did Michael Cohen's podcast. I was in New York doing OnlyFans Press and then Michael wanted to go to dinner and I asked my assistant, I remembered

that we've dealt with each other through the years but there's been all kinds of like i i don't i've had so much trauma in my life i don't remember half of it yeah so i was like did i like him like was he good to me and she was like yeah and i trust my assistant of everyone in this world and so i was like all right i'll go and i went and he basically told me everything that happened on the other side

during this relationship that him and I had and during the ending. Like on his podcast, we even talk kind of about the final day, what his dad used to get him to stay. I never knew that. I just know it was, I'm leaving my wife and kids and this is gonna be what I want and I love you and you're my wife and everybody knows what it is. And I just felt very comfortable in all of it. However,

I did get to a point in Bali on enough psychedelics where I did have a moment where I had to take accountability for, you know, my response was always, I was, I never cheated on anyone. I have never made a promise to anyone that I did not fulfill. I'm also not a cheater. I'm not, I wasn't cheating. He was, he's got to explain to somebody why he was doing that to his family, not me, but

But I did take accountability in Bali on enough psychedelics where I was like, no, I played a role too. And yeah, he gave me a story about what their relationship looked like. That's what I was going to ask you. That, and I saw enough evidence to believe it. I still think what he told me was likely correct. However, it doesn't come down to love at that level of power and money. It comes down to the family business. And the family business became a family that...

our country. So that's a pretty big fucking business. I mean, it doesn't look like the marriages other people have. It's not the same thing. No. I don't know how to tell regular fucking people that they're out there calling me a fucking hoe that took a married man and most of them are MAGA people and have two brain cells that are in constant fucking chaos and war. So like, I can't, I can't even care about

to try to get to them. But just as a woman, I want to be understood. As the rough around the edges girl, I have to fight to be understood. Yes. And I love what your friend said when you were like at your lowest point. Oh, girl, that wasn't my lowest point, but yeah. Oh, it wasn't. It gets way worse than that. Okay. But I mean, no judgment at all. I'm literally like, oh shit. Okay, girl. Talk to me when you're almost 40 and I'll see where your lows get. No.

You still got some coming. This is so interesting to me because you have been dealing with this shit and public craziness and being dragged through the mud publicly since you were 17. I never got the good at it.

- That was what was hard for me 'cause I was rough around the edges and it's really easy to get a rough around the edges girl to fulfill all kinds of boxes that the people in charge need to fill in order to feed their

Yeah. People at their tables. Everybody's got a job to do. The editor's down to the fucking whatever. Yes. But like, and so I stopped taking it as personally, but I am a rough around the edges girl. So you hire me and what I'm going to end up being on the final product is likely not anywhere close to the essence of me. Some people have shown it better than others. I can't concern myself with that. The only thing I care about is how many zeros are after the first number. Yeah.

You told me when we were texting, you were like, I'm going to come. Can we please just have fun? Yeah. Because I've been getting exploited. Like people are so exploitative and I'm over it. With Michael, what happened, and I don't know if he did this or his publicist did this, likely. Who knows? But.

But like the story that went out, there wasn't even a visual out. I wrote him and I'm like, Michael, why do you have a fucking hour audio out? Nobody under the age of 60 is going to listen to an hour of audio. You have to have a visual moving people through the story. Yes.

How does Michael not have people around him telling him that? Well, he makes his money off of Apple for the week and then he'll post the visual on YouTube and take those coins after the Apple coins have come in. It's an old school method. And I guess in politics, no one cares what they look like. It's not a show to see somebody's looks.

But our specific episode could have garnered proper attention to the gems that it served. And instead, all the stories that went out were that we first had sex in a gay club. And they loved that headline. And they kind of really loved it because I guess Dawn hasn't been so conservative.

to the gay community, respectful to the gay community. So like everybody just loved to create the mockery of that. But I did that interview to clarify that the man that I loved was not a mockery, was not a joke, was not the fucking guy that everyone thinks is coked out of his mind making crazy fucking videos all the time.

He was an intellect. He was well pedigreed. He was incredibly insightful and wise. The fact that I do interviews and they say, oh, we should have known you were with Don because you were with Polly. And they say these names in the same sentence. And I'm like, whoa. Like they're two in the same? Like what? That to me hurts the most. That's crazy. Because a guy that had a tanning bed in his home.

in Rhode Island, not even in Jersey, that was chosen to be part of a show that was made to laugh at them is so beyond

different than Donald Trump Jr. They're not even in the same league. And the fact that it's all looked at with me included as one big equation of fuckery and joke and laughableness is like horrific to me for him. It hurts when I'm mischaracterized or when I'm not understood or fully listened to. I can't even imagine becoming a crazy QAnon freak that's got to sell

What he's selling and fuck who he's fucking. Yikes. Are you referring to his wife? No, no. He ended up divorcing the wife. Oh, ex-wife. Excuse me. No, he has a new girlfriend now that was a Fox News correspondent.

Okay. Yeah. I won't even bother saying her name because you probably won't know it. I absolutely would not. I'm not, I'm not, Fox is not my go-to news channel. Yeah, I don't think it's mine either. But you should read the stories about why she got fired. I absolutely will. Or why she left. Yes. Allegedly. Yes. Yeah. But anyways, I just am like, the life that he's living now, you got to really have something good happen.

That you're on in order to get through having to be that different than who I saw and who Michael knew even. Yeah. And Michael saw the transition. So he even has more information than I do. But the interview is so incredible. With Michael. Yeah. Yet it's just considered fodder for the internet to run with and all of the

bleeding heart social justice liberals which i consider myself to be like girl stop claiming him in the streets you're making us look bad because he does racist he's done allegedly yeah yes everybody that i run with doesn't with him or the family yeah and

And they're like, why are you claiming him? And I'm like, because the person that I was with was just like us. And I'm trying to make people see that. Right. And because we both know, and you especially, like what you see in the press can be

so contrived and you're like is always it is so contrived and so you know all of these things are being said and i'm not like having his back i have no fucking clue what's real what's not yeah but you've seen that it's contrived and you're like i'm not gonna base i mean he could potentially have had that deep in him the whole time i never thought that at all and i don't believe that to be true or he could have became that i think when you get to that level of power when you're the president's son

Yeah. And you're now like in charge of the whole corporation. I think that there's an amount of not looking back that you have to do at that level. There's other celebrities at that notoriety level. They probably have a good amount of not looking backs that they just have to do for their own mental sanity. Yeah.

Totally. And I think that maybe you start to just shape yourself in your mind as if the life you're living is something that you can feel confident and comfortable in and you talk yourself into who you've become. Yeah. But if you're really smart, you know, you just talked yourself into some bullshit and rough around the edges. People just can't lie to themselves, unfortunately. Yeah.

So that is, yeah, that was deep. Yeah. I couldn't get there because I can't lie to myself enough. I tried. I took multiple things in order to get closer to it, but I just couldn't at the end of the day. To like numb so you could just like keep doing it. Yeah, because it works. You make a lot of fucking money. You advance. Sometimes you get to become the president of the country. Yeah. Yeah.

It's a lot. That's, it's fucking crazy. And you'll look, not now, you're still in your fun stage and you should have tons of fun, but like around 40, I think, you might start looking back and being like, sizing up the directions you could have gone, the ways that you could have behaved. You might already be doing it. I was doing it at your age, slightly, not as much as I did on like,

grams of shrooms or DMT or ayahuasca. But you might start looking back at the choices you've made in life and assess the people that made different choices. And you'll only be able to be an onlooker of them at that point. But you'll know them well enough to see...

If they're really happy being them by the way that you see them behaving on their highlight reel. Yeah. Because you'll know them well enough to know if they're full of shit on their highlight reel or not. This episode is brought to you by Shopify.

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This sounds so corny. I don't have regrets. I think...

Life is so fucking short. And honestly, at the end of the day, when we're going to the grave, are you going to look back and be like, I stomped over a bunch of people because I had so much money was living in this insane house. Don't get me wrong. I love money. It can make life. You don't love it that much. You let $60 million crawl right out your fucking pocket. But I'm completely okay and at peace with that.

Like I genuinely am. You're at peace with it? I am. It never pops up in a dream? I think. Or a nightmare? No, I think what bothers me more and where the trauma really stems from was the. Relationship betrayal. The betrayal and the public bashing, like humiliation, like you said. Those are the things. The 60 million, it's like.

Okay. You know? Yeah. I have a very successful career. You're a rough around the edges person. You care about what you have to say and how you're perceived. And you know that you're out for impact. And your impact isn't being...

properly credited. And it's not fair. Do you feel the same way? Fuck yeah, bitch. Yeah. I'm angry as fuck over it. Now, I don't live in that because I choose not to. I don't believe, when people ask me, like, are you happy now? Are you happy finally? Did Bali do all these things? Are you happy? And I'm always like,

I choose to be happy. I wake up in the morning and I choose to be happy. But is happiness painted all over me and just I wake up in a warm glow? No. No. But I choose when everything else starts creeping in to say, nope.

step out. I'm gonna be happy today. I'm gonna be happy in this moment. I'm gonna be happy that whatever, I try to find the good even in a bad day and repeat it a bunch of times before I go to bed. Why no one else sees me doing that just for my own peace.

Yeah, you have to. Yeah. Would you say the media has been unfair in how they portray you? Of course, from the very beginning. Obviously, yes. Why do you think they did that to you specifically? Like, do you feel like they picked you? For the same reason that I became the star. I think why we end up getting the name Rough Around the Edges, why we can see it in others, why we can even identify ourselves as that, is...

you've enjoyed yourself enough to decide you don't want to be anyone else. So you're just going to take the repercussions of being who it is that you really like because you've had enough experience with her and you've tried to venture in a few different lands and they just didn't suit you and you felt pretty quickly that you were unable to be inauthentic in any fucking setting.

And so you just literally decided that you were going to be rough around the edges. And that's why we can say it. Yeah. I mean, once you identify yourself is that you are okay with it. Because it is a term that could potentially offend someone who doesn't understand it yet. Like the girl on The Bachelor, one guy called her that and she was offended. I'm like, girl, that's a great thing to be called. That guy's horrible. Send him home. Bye. If he doesn't want to rough around the edges, girl, who the fuck wants to go home with...

What you've observed as somebody else. It's not exciting or interesting at all. No. It's boring. No. Other than the money, what else is it? Yeah. So, like, I think that you stand out at that young of an age. I was so certain that I was that because I had already been through all kinds of childhood trauma. That when I got to the table, I just...

stood out to people. I don't know why I didn't decide it. We were all equal in Danity Cane. We all saw each other as equal, at least from my vantage point. That's how I saw it. Now I saw where other people were stronger. I saw where I was stronger and not one of us had all the gifts. Yep.

So I always looked at all of us like we were so necessary. I think if we all did that, nothing could have broken us apart. But it is very hard to have that type of bird's eye view on a situation at that young of an age when so many men that are powerful are dibbling their hands in the sauce. But I saw the power that we all brought to that. And I would tell my manager all the time, and he would say, the manager of the group, and he would...

pull me aside separately and say, you're the star though. And I'd say, I'm really not though. We all are. And he'd say, you are the star, Aubrey, whether you accept that, own that, receive that, or ever speak that, that is a fact. The audience, the network, Diddy, whoever has chosen, they have felt in your arms. You're the one they want. So I just like,

I felt a different responsibility than my band members probably did very early on being told that. I'm sure. Yeah. So like I knew a lot of foul shit that was occurring that I never spoke on.

Mm-hmm.

I'm the one that's looked at as the reason that the group was taken apart and failed. Because Diddy told the entire world on that episode where he ended it or fired me, which essentially ended the group. So maybe the manager was right about the power that I held. I don't know. Interesting. If he was wrong, I guess the group would have continued on, huh? Yep. They could replace the white bitch. Yeah, easily. There's plenty of them. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't want to be quoted on this because I can't remember. I only watched the episode since I've been back from Bali. I actually watched it because I'm working on a project that involves things regarding it. So I took a second and watched it. Actually, I watched it on Instagram story with the world and had a reaction to it. My reaction was, good God, that could have never happened nowadays. A man could not have spoken to a woman like that nowadays. But it was basically, I was being called a easy hoe.

And that was his reason. Promiscuous, running around. That was his reason for firing you? Yeah. Yet at that time, I had the least amount of sex than everyone in the group. In fact, I had only had...

Two lovers, the man I lost my virginity to and the man I dated the entire time I was in Danity Cane. So I had slept with a total of two people. So why was he saying that? Child, I can't tell the truth on that today because I don't want to have to leave here worried about a fucking lawsuit. I've already had that heat all week. I started making other movements because everybody was making their own.

Right? Not some were and others were just really mean to me unfairly and I was getting a bit sick of it because I was holding the shit together and I knew how much fuckery was happening that I was not speaking on. And I was taking all the hits for everybody. Yeah.

Yeah. Not one person in that group took a hit. I mean, you literally had sex with two people at that time. Yeah, but no one at the table said that's not true about her. Fuck, she took me out to go get an abortion the other day. Yeah. Nobody had my motherfucking back at that table. Yeah. Now, that being said, I love my band members and I'm not throwing any shade, but...

It's very difficult to just look in Diddy's eyes and tell him some truth. It's much harder than most people realize. I did it every fucking day of my life. Yeah. Because I'm incapable of anything else. Mm-hmm. And that's likely. Yeah.

A big contributor to why you were let go. Yes. Because you were the obvious star. I mean, everyone knows that. There was not an internal issue with Danity Kane that was deep enough that couldn't be fixed and no one had ever attempted to even have us talk.

We were having double platinum albums at that point on Christina Aguilera's tour. We were getting a lot of money for somebody, not us, we weren't paid. But somebody. - You didn't make a penny off of-- - Girl, we made $4,000 on making the band. It was the number one show on MTV. - $4,000 total. - I mean, Pauly gets a million dollars an episode because they hustled the system well.

Like we are allegedly, we like we're making nothing. And there are only a handful of signature shows on MTV that were cult seven season shows. Yeah. And we're one of them. We're also the only one that is never played in. Like reruns. Reruns or ever been brought back.

in this day and age where every show is being brought back. They brought back The Hills. They brought back Real World. They brought back Jersey Shore. We have to wonder, don't we? We not sit well with people. I don't know if that's why, but...

You can take a lot of guesses. I will say this. We were the only show out of all those shows I just named. Real World would give you one token of everything. But we were the only show that equally had white and black people on it. I'd think that'd be pretty valuable to a network as big as MTV. Yeah.

Especially, and that was 10 years ago when the show came out. Yeah. Roughly. Yeah. And I don't know. There isn't a lot of visibility that's equal like that on all their other shows that they brought back. I'd say that's pretty significant and powerful. And in the day and age that we're living in should be something that's applauded and rewarded and given recognition.

Now, maybe it has to do with Diddy's relationship with the network. Mm-hmm. I don't know, but I know that they were trying to bring it back. But then when Me Too happened and everyone started to get exposed, a lot of things didn't come back to air that were starting to film. Right. You have to ask yourself why. I think it's pretty fucking obvious. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Nobody wanted a problem. If you were problematic, you probably weren't brought back. Mm-hmm.

if you're going to speak the truth they they not even speak the truth that you have too many bodies buried they could potentially arise during a time where people are telling on people and they don't care about their ndas anymore yeah then they could be potentially problematic that you brought them back and you already knew what they were anyway do you do you speak to diddy at all anymore no no no that's like done

No, and I don't have any bad feelings. I mean, he made me a little soldier. Yeah. You know, he didn't give us one day off and he didn't make anything easy. And because of that, my Instagram photos still are poised to fuck imperfection while everybody else is posting a blurry goddamn selfie with a shitty background. Lucky charms, baby.

Like you are going to fucking go all the way for your photos. All the way there. And a lot of it has to do with that training. You know, I grew up in a day and age where showing your stretch marks was actually what we were not supposed to do. Don't show your weaknesses. Make everything a strength. Get as strong as you can. And in the areas where you can't build any further, put a motherfucker that's stronger than you next to you so nobody sees it. Yeah.

And don't talk about anything that will stop people from buying your albums. Which is why we didn't get lemonade from Beyonce 20 years prior. Until it was cute to start talking about real shit. And we all died when she did it because we all wanted to know what she was really thinking deep down. You are, you're a fucking pioneer. Like the fact that you have been this way and you've always been this way, even at 17,

Which it was way harder to be rough around the edges and everything you are 10 years ago. And I applaud you for that. I'm trying to think if it's much harder then than now. Or do you think it's the same?

It's definitely not the same. The industry now is the wild, wild west. I'm not positive that agents and managers and publicists even matter anymore. I think if anyone's... A friend of mine was like, I'm going to start throwing parties that are called like NAMA or whatever, like no agents, no managers, and just pull the dopest creatives in LA to a party once a month where everybody's in the room talking about...

That would be it. Because if you were somebody that had all the ideas, wouldn't you not be working at an agency where you have to suit up every day and compete with the asshole next to you in the cubicle? Yeah. You'd be the innovator. You'd be the creator. But you're not. That's why you're in that position. And those people, since back in the day when there were gatekeepers, there are no gatekeepers anymore. That's the difference. When there were gatekeepers, those people were essential. If you were not signed by one of the three lettered,

you were not relevant. Nowadays, you can be super relevant and never have even known who those agencies are. Those agencies don't really matter in the long run. They're no gatekeepers anymore. You can get online and pop off. Now, who are the new age gatekeepers? I mean, I had this conversation with someone. Was it better when the gatekeepers were here or weren't? Now with no gatekeepers, every idiot...

in every corner of the world is releasing a horrible song. Did you see the Island Boys on TikTok?

I'm sorry. I was two years late to that. I'm still fucking tripping on that shit. I was in Bali when that came out. And I saw Kevin Hart and Snoop laughing at the island boy. Island boy. Yeah. Like culturally appropriating shit. All fucked up. All kinds of fucked up. That shit could never be allowed. I dare them to do that in front of anyone that I grew up in the industry with. I dare them. Nowadays, they just...

all the way out there with it. - I'm pretty sure those dudes are like on tour and shit. - They're like millionaires, multi-millionaires. That shit is the dumbest shit ever. And there's 5 million other instances that I could say exactly like that. With no gatekeepers, that's what it is. And that to me, I look at it and I'm like, how does Beyonce have the first week numbers that she had on one of the most legendary albums that she made? But Island Boy is still a thing.

a major thing. It's so stupid to me. I don't know how people with talent and ideas that are innovatives even manage through it.

I'm watching some of them try. Like true creatives, you mean? Yeah, it's very stifling what's working because as a true creative, you also want your idea to be seen. So you have to figure out how to tailor it to what is now because if you fight what is now, you're not going to be seen. You got to get as close to you can, inch as close to you can to whatever is...

the cycle we're in, because it's all cyclical. We'll go back to only respecting talented people. In my lifetime, we've done the cycle a few times. I came up during, you know, Britney and NSYNC or Backstreet Boys. And then there was John Legend and Alicia. Those are two very different eras.

- Very different. - Of talent. - Very different. But yeah, you end up creating your content around what's gonna go viral, what's gonna get you paid. - Sure, if you post four videos on your Instagram today and three of them you're being intellectual, you're talking about things that matter, you're being, you're rough around,

the edge is self you're being impactful and they get four views but the fourth one is you falling and tripping drunk and you get 15 million yeah you're gonna keep posting videos of you falling down drunk because those likes are a high of fame brand acknowledgement all of the highs that

People get from celebrity. Mm-hmm. You'll just all of a sudden in two or three years just be the motherfucker. That's always falling Yeah, it's a sickness what's happening right now on a scientific level if you're observing it without participating It's very sick. It's why someone like Donald Trump who was a reality TV show host Barely got that position and they painted everything gold and acted like he was a billionaire allegedly

Donald Trump Sr. Sr. Why he was able to then become president.

I mean, there used to be a certain standard of many things that you had to be in order to get to that place. It was an aspirational place. Now you can go on TikTok and find 500 people that are singing Island Boy that feel that they're going to be president one day. The Island Boys could potentially be president and just let that sink in people. Definitely vice president, for sure. And somebody that was really smart would have them be vice president just to get the dumb people to follow along. For votes. They'll get the votes.

It's fucking crazy. It's like it's almost genius what Trump did to this country to get to where he was. Yeah. And the information, you know, now that we learn through Cambridge Analytica and Facebook now threads. But if you did you see did you read the legality that you have to sign off on to be on threads?

- No. - You should. - I know I should. I should do that for a lot of things. - If you've accepted them to be in your photo album, they have access to every naked photo that you've sent of your pussy to every boyfriend and sex video. And if they ever wanna run the rough around the edges girl, because she has a podcast and says some shit that's working against their platform, they will have access to all of those things. - Yeah. - Legally. - Yeah. - 'Cause you gave it to them. And it's so challenging to,

Speak on it with respect if you were in it before. I bet. It's so challenging to enter it and still remain having respect. I mean, I still walk a very fine line with my OnlyFans. Yeah.

In what way? The way I curate it and the way I present myself. There's nothing that I'd be scared of on there. Got it. You know, I'm not fucking wiling out. I'm not a, you know, OnlyFans has a reputation. But I've maintained my own standard of being me and just explored the sexual side more, which is fun. Sex is a natural thing. We should all stop making it such an uptight thing.

conversation, then more people would feel more comfortable identifying as they truly feel inside.

Back in the day, you had all kinds of events going on. Now that we've created 80 more letters to LGBTQ+, Rx, Yz, everybody can identify now, which is great. There needs to be, being able to present all these identities is being fought so much. But if it's not hurting you and somebody gets to feel at home. Yeah, then why do you care? Yeah. Yeah.

What our identities are, in my opinion, in today's world is the most significant conversation you can have. BLM, at the end of the day, where are the reparations? Where is the movement forward for an entire culture?

Yeah. Where you should have footing in every which way there is in life so that when you meet somebody that's completely different from you, instead of hating them, you can go, okay, I understand you. We don't need to hurt each other physically or even be verbally violent, but I ain't really fucking with you and you ain't fucking with me. So thank you for identifying yourself. I can clear some space for you to walk on by. I'm not interested.

But we didn't get to a place where like the right conversations were being had and actual progress was made for people that deserve it. Yeah. Because of this identity situation. TikTok is an identity.

Being on threads is an identity. Twitter is an identity. Even now political parties are a fucking identity. Right now you're either liberal or you're conservative and everybody fights all goddamn day about it. And when you meet one of those

Types of people you're like, oh, you're one of those. Cool. Now they're one of those. They might also have 500 other attributes that could successfully advance you in a particular direction. But we just have grabbed onto an identity and we don't like anything else. Yeah. And the problem with the identity is being served up on a platter.

is what everyone doesn't realize is whoever is creating all the technology has complete control over every identity that is being shopped right now. It's not authentic, boo. Yeah. Your fucking tags are not authentic. Somebody created them for you. And a lot of the people creating them, you'll never see. And they're on their yachts on Jeffrey Epstein's island. Yeah. Fucking four-year-olds. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

We have to get away from wanting to find our identity in the things that we're consuming and absorbing through these. This is all controlled by somebody and something. And we are being fed specific messages daily. Yeah. This is a fucking problem. It's also the only way that we make money anymore. Yeah.

It also is the food on our table. Yep. It's a problematic fucking thing. And you've got to be able to find your identity with that completely gone. Without it. So then when you pick it up, you'll know yourself. And when all these things come in, you'll laugh. Oh, they thought I was a Karen. Cute. Cute.

Oh, yeah. They thought I was cute. That's cute. Oh, we added another letter. Cool. Okay. Uh-huh. I'm done for the day. I'm going to go back to my identity now. Thank you for showing me where we're at in the world. Yeah. I'm still bored. If you're scrolling Instagram and you come across like a news article or something and you instantly waver on your...

beliefs or who you are as a person, like that's a problem. Be open-minded to everything that you see, but you can't just be eating shit up like it is the gospel. - I think instantly loving or instantly hating is a problem. - Yes, that's an issue. - Because both have to do with the real identity inside you that's trying to discover itself. - Yes. - And that is the thing that we all need to put technology down

This is a controlled substance. This is more powerful than Xanax and Coke and pink Coke and glitter Coke and fucking all the bullshit that we've all put up our noses. This is a fucking deadly weapon. I know. You have to understand yourself before you participate in it. And what scares me is I have God children that are of the age where this is all that they know. And I don't know who their identities are. Mm-hmm.

I can't even talk to them without 10 minutes going by and them needing their phones. Yeah. That is so unfortunate and problematic. And I suffer from the same disease. I find myself sometimes in the shower steaming this bitch up, which means I'm gonna have to buy another one in two months because I can't even hear people anymore. I got to put you on speaker because I'm done taking my shit in the shower because I can't even wash my body in peace anymore. Yeah. I got to be knowing what the fuck is trending and what's happening. Right. It's horrific. It's horrific.

But if this is consuming you before you have understood yourself, we're going to see a lot of rough times ahead. And this and our consumption with it and the stupidity that all of that creates is how Trump became president. Step by step, if we're taking all the intellectual banter out of it and just talking about a broad view of a systematic issue, it's this.

Technology gave him the numbers. Technology told him whether he needed to be racist or not. Are these people going to vote for you? They're not. Or you don't have the majority of them. Okay, well, then I'm going to turn against them. The first time I go out and run for president, I'm going to say we need to put people behind a wall.

That offended a whole group of people, didn't it? Mm-hmm. Do you think that he just randomly came off that fucking bop with that? No. They programmed all these messages in him and he probably had to study for a long time, poor soul. I'm voting Aubrey for president.

- Actually. - I don't want president. - You don't want it? - No. - I think we need it as a country though. - I want someone way smarter than me to be president. - You're fucking smart. - I'm really smart, but I want someone smarter than me to be president as it should be. You know what I'm saying? Someone smarter than me and you likely have to be some type of narcissist in order to think that you could just be a president. - Yes, and you're too hot. - Takes a lot. - And you're too hot. Politics is entertainment for ugly people.

Hold on, let me absorb that. It's very generational and youthful of you to say, very TikTok of you to say. No, by the way, Roger Stone, I'm pretty sure is the one who said that. Baby, Roger Stone's no one you should ever be quoting, though. But I thought that was fucking hilarious and I think it's accurate. I don't know. Am I hot? I've been a politician since I was a kid. All I did was watch...

and MSNBC my whole life. And my favorite human on earth is a fucking Rachel Maddow or like all the classic journalists when journalism was still- - Not paid for. - You know, I think even at those levels it is now, but on both sides.

- I think we should end on that note. I think that is extremely insightful and so profound. And I don't think people stop to think about these things. They don't. It's easier to just scroll. - It's easier for all of us to go on threads and posts 'cause we have to.

Right? Aubrey, you are extremely intelligent. You are so kind. Thank you so much for coming today. I didn't really know what to expect, but this has exceeded all my expectations. You are beautiful. Where can they find you, everybody?

is Aubrey O'Day. I don't know if you're going to be able to find me in the search engine though. You have to type her name fully out first and last. I don't even know if you can find me doing that anymore. I think I'm getting blocked pretty hard over there but try. I'll be posting. Give it a gamble and then maybe you can trust me a little bit more. I don't know. I'm Aubrey underscore O'Day on TikTok. You probably won't find me there much because I'm not verified so I'm not even a real human on TikTok and

I'd say go to OnlyFans. I actually talk to people and like engage over there because it is...

A career. An actual career that buys you a home. Yeah. In LA. It is a career. And I love being over there and it's very free and open and the judgment is gone and the bullshit is gone. The judgment's back in the real world. But I mean, they've been having celebrity sex parties where I've been seeing everybody in some wild shit since I was a young kid.

So now everybody's doing it in the open. We should be really happy that that's occurring now because less diseases will be spread and more people will get checked and hold their sexual behavior and some type of esteem. There's nothing wrong with being sexually liberated, even for women. I know it's crazy shocker. Would you ever do OnlyFans? How do you look at it? I.

Do you know enough about it to say? I really don't. I really don't. Do you judge it on the low? No. I did before, so you can say it. I don't. It's a career. That's what you want to do. And also, I understand that OnlyFans, a lot of it has nothing to do with sex.

Yeah, I mean, OnlyFans is for your fans to come and be with you only. And you can decide what you want to give or not give to the platform. It's no different than a Patreon. It just kind of was launched in this like, you know. Sexual way. Yeah. Yeah, it's got a reputation to it. But I don't know. I think it pays me more than Diddy ever did. Mm-hmm.

And I do a lot less work. It doesn't take a lot, though, to get paid more than 4K. Yeah, well, he didn't even get paid me the 4K, girl. That was MTV. Pays me more than MTV and Diddy did. Well, I'm going to do you a favor, Aubrey. And for everyone, I will absolutely be posting her socials. You got to go on my OnlyFans. I will. I would like you to come to my OnlyFans and see what I do. Don't get lost in the headlines. You got to purchase to actually see what it is.

100%. And you guys know where to find me. So if you have an F, Franklin with a Y, and Salutes, I will talk to you next week. Wait, can I tell you one thing? Yeah. I loved this interview with you. Thank you. You are a rough around the edges, ride or die bitch. I really can...

positively say that. And I absolutely adore that about you. Thank you. You are in the position that ends up happiest, I believe. I can't confirm it for you because, bitch, I'm still figuring it out. But I think the way you are is going to make you really happy when you're my age. Trust it more. Trust everyone else less. I love how

free, open, honest, authentic, and you, you are. - Wow. - Yeah. - Thank you, Audrey. - So you don't need a team, you don't need anybody, you don't need to be where anyone else is, you just need to keep sitting down and making sure that your coochie isn't out. And talking to people in a real way, the way you do, and people will be inspired and you'll be making the impact that your life was supposed to make on this world.

Wow. Thank you. I really appreciate that. And I will. Good. And with that, sleuths, love you. I will talk to you guys next week. Bye.