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Hi everybody, welcome to Sophia with an F. It is beautiful, gorgeous today. Actually, no it's not. It was raining and it took me like an hour and a half to get to the studio. But I am joined by Elsa Jean. Hi, how are you? Good. So Elsa Jean is a leading adult film star, businesswoman, and like a techie.
I'm actually a retired adult film star, but yeah. Okay. Can we talk about that for a second? For sure. The retired thing. Because I've seen this trend where women and men say we're like retired from porn, but then they have like an OnlyFans, which you have, right? Yeah.
So do you have porn like content on your OnlyFans? Yes and no. So I have old content from years ago. So I only film solos. So just with myself now. And so I've retired from mainstream porn. Okay. So like for other companies. You actually lose money being on set now. Right. Because it takes so much time. It actually takes like...
sometimes 10, 12 hours to film a porn scene, believe it or not. 12 hours? Sometimes longer. I've been on set for 18 hours. You need to walk me through that. A, is there a makeup artist on deck? Yes. Thank God. But horrible.
No, actually, I take that back. So you start with hair and makeup. Then you do pretty girls, which is photos of yourself. Then you, it depends on who's filming it, but you'll do dialogue, sex stills, sex scene. But it's a dialogue. They'll take like 20 takes of it. That's full on like an acting, like you're doing an episode on HBO for whatever. And they'll be like, I just don't feel it enough in you. And I'm like, come on.
How many times do you need me to say, I want to suck your dick so bad. - Would you say that like the reason those shoots take that long, are you having to get the dialogue down and redo that more or get the sex angles blow job? - No, that's only like,
like 30 minutes 45 minutes the actual sex scene is so short oh my God you get into it you're I mean unless the guy's struggling which happens so like if they can't get hard that day say they went out the night before maybe earlier that day and it's they can't get hard or they get nervous we do this yes that's a very interesting um job to pick nervous and right you would get nervous right
Wow. So those shoots can be 12 to 18 hours. And a big chunk of that is you guys getting the dialogue down, which 90% do people listen to the dialogue? I hope not. They don't. I really hope not. Cause it is really bad. I mean my tip and I don't, you know, shoot porn or anything, but my tip for these companies is, um,
No one cares about the dialogue. - No. - No one watches the dialogue in the beginning of porn. I don't even, when I watch it. - I've never. - No. You click to like a scene that's super sexual that turns you on. - Do you watch like amateur porn or you watch like the actual, you know, mainstream porn?
Well, that's a really good question because how can I tell the difference? You can't tell the difference? Not really. Oh, really? That's fascinating. I feel like a lot of porn videos are labeled amateur porn. And they're not really. And they're not. No, it's true. And you can tell it's not a homemade fucking video. Yeah, like casting couches and stuff. That's supposed to be amateur, but it's real.
to like an agency and find those girls and everything. Right. So not really being tricked. Yeah. So I feel like I don't, I don't have a preference between amateur. Should I though?
I think amateur is better, but also I don't want to watch my friends. So it's hard for me. I always go straight to amateur. Yeah. Always have though. Cause I don't like the fake, like over-exaggerated moaning and slobber. And I totally agree. I want to see a real couple, like actually in love and just filming and it got leaked or something. That's what I feel. I feel that. That's why I've stopped watching porn so much. It sounds,
- It sounded like I was a full porn addict. - You like shocked yourself. You were like. - The way I just said that, like so casual,
But I don't watch porn that often, but I think I've started to watch it less because of that whole fakeness and the fake shit. I usually watch, like if I'm with someone or in a relationship, I'll watch, like we usually film a little, you know, who doesn't do that. Right. And I'll rewatch it. Actually, this new guy that I've been talking to, that's his whole thing. He will not watch porn, but he wants us to have 50 videos that he can go back and watch. Do you like that?
Yeah. Yeah. But I also would not be pissed at my dude for watching porn, which a lot of women do. Some people, some girls consider that cheating. They're like very strict on it. What do you think about that? I can't say don't watch porn. And then there's millions of people watching me and I'm telling somebody don't watch it. You're like only girls are allowed to watch the following. Only my friends are allowed to watch. No one else. Yeah.
So, okay, before we like jump into you, you mentioned guys have a hard time performing. Don't they take Viagra? They do. You know what it is, is I was always like married or in a relationship, so I wouldn't talk to the guys. And then as soon as it comes to the sex scene or whatever we need to do together, that's when they would kind of see me. But I think for a lot of guys is they needed a more relaxed conversation before. And I think that's kind of why they would...
I had a real problem with guys getting nervous. Pre-popping was a big issue. They come too early because they need a certain amount of time in a porn scene. I think it's about 30 minutes. And some guys, if they come within 15 minutes and their day is kind of ruined because they can't get it back up right away. Oh my God. And they have to wait around and they're jerking off trying to get re-hard. Is there someone that is designated to jerk them off? No, that's called a fluffer, which...
I've never had, I've never seen an actual fluffer. I think it's kind of a porn myth, but I guess they used to have people come in and fluff the person. That's, I mean, if you have fluffer, right? It's like, it's basically someone retouching your makeup. Yeah, I guess. I don't know.
I don't know. I think it's a little different. But it's so funny when they have to touch your makeup up and you just had a facial. Say they forgot something or whatever and need a few more photos and the poor makeup artist has to start from the very beginning. Wipe off all the cum. Wow. I just thought if you kind of pick...
pick this industry as your job, they must be animals, but that's me judging. - They are for sure. - Oh, they are. - I mean, you have to be so highly sexual. I don't care what anyone says, you have to be. Especially when there's 10 people in the room watching. - Yes. So has there ever been a scene that made you feel uncomfortable or that you hated or one that you loved? - I really enjoyed almost all of my scenes.
I can't really think of one where I was miserable. There was times I pushed my boundaries, but that was my choice. And I was like, I don't think I would do that again. Like I did a gangbang that never came out and that definitely pushed my boundaries. Why did it never come out? I would be pissed it never came out. Because it's actually why I retired. They lied to me about
testing yeah no yeah so I asked for a 24-hour test the company told me that everyone had a 24-hour test and they did not and I got a treatable STD but I was really upset because it it I felt violated you know very violated and I felt like okay I can't trust this industry anymore wow so that's when you decided to kind of take it into your own hands yeah I was ready for it though you were yeah I was already kind of on my way out so it's kind of like
- An extra excuse? - Yes, yes. It was like the straw that broke the camel's back. - Yeah, for sure. - That's so fucking inappropriate and so fucked up. - Yeah, it's a very rare thing. I don't know anyone else, honestly, that it's happened to, so I don't wanna make it seem like they do that. Actually, the industry is very strict on their testing. - Right. - But I just had a bad experience. - Yeah. - You know? - I totally feel that. - Just one. - Just one bad experience. - Yeah. - And you started
Porn like doing porn when you were 18 18 in like two weeks like I just turned 18 Okay, so I do want to dive into that so you're 26 now and
You're from Ohio. Girlfriend, I'm 30. I will kick you out of this room. Wow, you really don't look 30. Thank you so much. You look seriously like 21. You swear to God. Swear to God. Okay, you do too. I only gave you, I almost said 19. Yeah. But I gave you 21 because you look like you could drink. Okay. But you...
you look really young too why did we just tell everybody we're both 21 by the way i honestly the other day thought about starting to lie about my age because people do that and i was like am i getting to that point where i should start saying 23 when i'm really not right i mean porn wise would that help you
I would be exposed so quickly. They're like, bitch, we have like 50 interviews of you saying. And then it wouldn't make sense for when I joined too. I would have been underage. So I can't remember. And then there's a whole legal issues. Okay. So now you can't lie about it. I can't go back either. Cause I've said it publicly too many times how old I am. So we're fucked. But you know what? We're going to like own our age and like, we're going to be miserable. I'm just kidding.
We're going to own it and we're just going to, you know, grow older with grace. Sure. Okay. So 18, what made you choose porn? Um, so I was actually stripping and I wanted more people to come in. Okay. So,
I stripped and then there was feature dancers that actually came in that were porn girls. And I was like, wow, they're making so much more. What are they called? Feature dancers or they would have like a porn girl would come in. They'll do like two sets. Right. And they all the people would save all their money for the porn girl. And I was like, wow, I should do a couple of scenes and people might tip me more.
but it was so much easier than stripping. So I was like, I just got to stay because stripping is like you don't know if you're going to make money or not that night if it's going to be busy, but you just got a straight check. Right. So with porn, you have stability when it came to your finances. Yeah, for sure. Stripping is like, I have no idea. Like, yeah. And so then you started in porn. And what was that like? Because you have been extremely successful in the industry. I feel like what was that documentary that came out
I swear to God, five. Hot Girls Wanted? Yes. I never watched it. Well, basically from what I remember, and I watched this five years ago, so do not quote me on this, but there's a lot of girls, women who get into the industry and basically most of them do not make it. They don't. I think they would say back when I started, it was like three to six months. Girls kind of lasted. Three to six months. Yeah, it's a very quick process.
Oh, actually, my sugar daddy at the time, his neighbor used to be a porn guy. And I was like, I want to do porn. He was like, you got to talk to him. And the guy told me the right agency to go to. So I was so lucky because they really like took care of you, took care of me. They really watched over me. My agent was like,
put me on the best shoots, the, you know, everything. So that's honestly why I became so successful was because I had such a good agent and I was put on the right path. Cause I probably would have been someone that had, you know, been in six months or something like that. Right. So if you had advice for girls that are like jumping into that business, you would say, find yourself a really good agent and find one that there's tons of them, but there's
There's ones that are just like the top one. So do your research on who you think is a better fit because there is the West Coast and the East Coast kind of porn. Yeah. So are they different kind of porn? I think so. So I think like Miami has their own style of porn that, um,
- And then LA has their own. I think LA is more professional. - Oh, in terms of how they shoot more and these companies and stuff. Oh, I could see that. - It's the same companies. And sometimes they shoot in Vegas too, but not really. They would just fly the girls from LA. So I think LA is the way to go. I don't think you should even mess around and go to Miami and shoot. I think you should go straight to LA, get a good agency, don't make friends.
And save your money. Yeah. And show up on time. You know what? You can also say that for the entertainment industry. Yeah. Period. It's kind of similar. Don't make friends. Go to LA. Find yourself a manager and agent who will really take care of you. And just keep to yourself. I really kept to myself. Yeah. I really did. And.
think that really helped me would your agent go to set with you no okay no that would have been awkward probably okay i mean the sets are already so busy they will shoot like three different scenes in a day so they're just one girl's in the makeup chair the other person's shooting their sex scene and more people come in they don't want to sit there all day have you ever had beef or drama with a fellow porn star
I'm looking at my friend because she hated me. She's here. She hated me for a little bit. No beef. Okay. I think that because I kept to myself, a lot of people, they would say like, what's up with that Elsa girl? Yeah, what's up with her? And I did have one good friend because our husbands were friends and that was really it. I never had beef because I never was...
I never went around people. I love your approach, honestly. And I was a stripper before, so I already had that like, you know, it's hard being a stripper. Yeah. They're mean. The other strippers are mean. So I already was around that. I was like, I was, I'm over the drama. Yeah. Oh my, what is this stripper movie? You already know which one I'm talking about. Showgirls. I've never seen. Oh my God. Anybody listening, you need to watch Showgirls. It's
such a fantastic movie but the girls are bitches they're kind yeah it's true it's so true it's it's a very hard lifestyle being a stripper but if you if you're a stripper you could do anything i'm telling you because of how rough it is yeah you can you're a very strong person you are a fucking hustler and any business after that you're like yes um so we need to back up for two seconds so you're
- Your sugar daddy is the one that he totally supported you getting into porn. - No, he was like either go do porn or stay with me. And I was like, I'm gonna go do porn. And so he, yeah. - That's a really interesting breakup. He's like, fuck, why did I fly her to LA and introduce her to my neighbor?
That's, I fucking love it. He's fine. He was a good looking guy, actually. Yeah. I'm sure he was fine. But I just love that breakup. Like, baby, like, I got, I'm choosing porn over you. It's not you, it's porn. He's like, go. It was super dramatic. You're like, it's not really, like, it's not cheating. Like, I'm being honest about it. Like, what's the issue? But you have been married how many times? Three. Three.
Okay. I find this so fascinating. And honestly, that is such an accomplishment. I think so too. I'm so happy you said that. People would say maybe it's hard to get someone to want to marry you. I've never had someone propose to me. So, and that's happened to you three times. Three times. Yeah. You have something going for you. Some kind of magic. I love being a wife. I really do. I
I would get remarried 20 times. I prefer to get married right away and just get divorced. Okay. So like divorce. I want to ring. I want to say that I'm a wife. I want to be like, that's my husband. I don't want to say that's my boyfriend or my, you know. So you just skip that stage. Yes, absolutely. Wow.
Yeah. How does that work exactly? They just guys always ask me to marry them. And they can't fucking get hard or their what is it? Or.
- What is it called? They're pre-popping. - Pre-popping. You must have that voodoo clam, that magical pussy. - Yeah, three times. I would do it a fourth, fifth, sixth, whatever. Tomorrow, hey, you wanna get married? I've never married a girl. - Yeah, wait, you have married a girl? - I haven't, no. - Oh my God, you're asking me? Yes, let's do it. - Yeah, I'm asking you.
- Okay, finally someone's fucking asked me. I mean, I think our marriage would be incredible. - It would be. - I mean, how hot would that be too? - They would love it. - They would. - We'd make so much money. - I've been asked to start OnlyFans by so many people. - You don't want to?
I don't know if it's necessarily that I don't want to, but I just don't know really in what capacity. I feel like there's like other lanes. Just do your feet. Do nice feet. Seriously. I actually do have nice feet. Do your feet. One time someone at a Walmart came up to me and I was wearing flip flops and he told me I had nice feet. But I feel like that's like, that says something. What did he look like?
Was he like creepy? He was like 300 pounds. Oh man. But he said like the, the nail polish was really pretty and the feet. So I feel like that's kind of scary, honestly. But I'm just saying, I think it was a huge compliment. And I mean, do you even have to have pretty feet to make it? No, I think the uglier, the better. Cause they always want you to do like when I get foot fetish stuff, they always want you to kind of like
- You know how you can do this with your feet? - Like a monkey, like pick stuff up? - Yeah, they always went squishing, spreading. - Okay. - So if you just have toes that naturally go like that, I'm sure you could. - Toes that are kinda like fingers almost. The longer the toe, the better off you are.
- Yeah, you gotta step on grapes and cakes. - Oh my God. And I'm gonna like make my feet look fucked up. I'm gonna like, I'm gonna try ballet. - Bruise them up. - I'm gonna do ballet for a month before. - Ew, and get blisters and stuff on them. - I'm gonna have some fucked up feet.
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kind of weird but like when i i get drunk and i i mean i've sucked on all my boyfriend's toes and do they for the most part all of them like it yeah okay had your feet sucked on yeah it feels good right it feels good but it's not a go-to but i want to be more open to that shit yeah but
But I've never sucked on a guy's... Try it. Yeah, like I've never sucked on a guy's toes. They love it. I think when I was younger, I did a foot job because I didn't really know like what I was doing. You know what they love is if you're in reverse and then you...
Suck on their tails. That's actually a really- That's how I get married actually is from doing stuff like that. Seriously. I remember one specific guy was like, you're going to make me want to marry you. And I did that. Okay. That's fucking- Try it. Mic drop. Next time I see you, you're going to have a huge ring. I think so. So you do reverse cowgirl, which I'm not even doing cowgirl, honey. Like I need to up my sex game. I know what I can get away with, you know?
But if I want the ring, and I want the marriage... Yeah, you gotta put in the work. You gotta throw your back out for sure. I really do. No wonder I'm, like, not getting proposed to. Yeah, you're just laying on your back. It's...
It's called a dead fish. It's not good. I know. I wouldn't say dead fish, but like it's missionary and it's getting fucked from behind. Yeah, but those are the best ones. I love all my moms in the room. Is your mom here? My mom's sitting right over there. Oh my goodness. Hi. Hi, mom. Okay. So that, yeah, that's probably why I haven't been proposed to, honestly.
- I think it's my sex game. I still, I'm like really good in bed and I think men, if you like asked all my ex-boyfriends or like ex hookups, they would say really great.
I think I would even get like a freak. I think some guys would say she's a freak. Good. But now hearing what you do, I'm like, maybe they fucking wouldn't. Maybe I've been living in denial. Especially if I'm a little tipsy and smoked a little bit of weed, it's over. I'm doing the craziest. Isn't that like so interesting? I'm the same way. Brings it out. If I've had...
too many martinis, like one too many, I go freak mode. - So those espresso martinis that give you the energy on top of it, they're strong. - Yes, I need to learn to do that though, like without the alcohol.
I think it depends on the person that you're with to bring it out a little bit. You got to be on like the same level and then it's just that you don't need alcohol for that because the person is encouraging you, making you feel sexy. And yeah, I think the guy that you're with is going to have a lot to do with, you know, how open you are and like the shit you're willing to try.
Yeah. At first I thought you were going to say that you were sucking his toes reverse cowgirl, but instead of him fucking your pussy, you were giving him a foot job. No, I know how to do that too really good. Okay. So suck his toes and give him a foot job at the same time. Because you could do a reverse foot job. Okay. And do they're into this foot job thing? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean...
I've had guys that don't even really like feet. I'm like, do you want a foot job? And they try it and they end up liking it. But do you, would you say dudes just really at the end of the day, like everything? Yes. That's what it is. Yes. And they try to act like they don't. They love everything. Everything. What it really comes down to is...
trying something different and something new and something that's kinky and I think girls will sometimes be like oh my god that's crazy that he's into anal or like that he's into me playing with his asshole and guys pretend that they don't like that shit either they do and then you and then you just when you're there and you're like can I put my finger in your ass they they always are like right
They like, just kind of coy. See, I've had a dude, I've gone in for the kill before. Wait, you had a strap on or something? I actually did that one time for a joke and it lasted two seconds. That is a story for another show. I was a joke.
story for another time. I tried it with like my ex-boyfriend and it did not last very long. But I was giving a guy a blowjob and I went for the gooch area. Yeah. And he shoved my hand away. Yeah. I tried to lick this guy's ass once and he was like, I don't like that. And I was like, it can't ever happen again. We can't ever. But I was like, this is not for me if you aren't even that open. That I can't eat out your ass. Yeah.
See, I feel like, yeah, maybe I just think maybe try it again. So I just think that is the biggest takeaway. And I'm having an epiphany myself is different dudes are into different things and different kinks, but end of the day,
Most men, I'm just going to say all guys. Fuck it. I don't care. I'm going to generalize the fuck out of this. All guys like everything. They do. Like the kinkier, the better. They just, they like to know that you're willing to go there. Or just try it at least once. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's also really important for couples to try things. I'm such like a big supporter and like you can try something once and if you don't like, you don't have to do it again. But as long as it works,
isn't illegal and you feel safe, I think everyone should always try new things sexually. - I agree. And I think I have been a little bit reserved and I just thought in my head like, oh, the toes, he's gonna be like, fuck, you know, like, what are you doing?
- No. - Just ask, just say. - Okay, so we've talked a lot about porn. I mean, sex tips galore. I do wanna get into your business and 'cause I know you're extremely tech savvy and you have a multi-million dollar brand. Before we do that, the marriages. I can't get over it because
Probably because I'm 30 and I'm like, why am I not married? But walk me through each of these relationships. Like who was the first dude? So my first husband, I was 18 and he was 44. So he was a lot older than me. I, it was my sugar daddy's lawyer.
Yes, it was. And so my sugar daddy was in the bathroom or something like that. He gave me his number and he was like, when you're done with him, come to me. So I did. Which is hot. Yeah. That's a hot thing to do. It's a really fucked up thing to do, but it's hot. Like he gives zero fucks. Yeah. So I moved in with him right away. I married him right away. What does that mean right away? Oh, like the next day or something. Yeah.
So you were with the sugar daddy. The attorney comes and is like, here's my number. And then you're like, there's a moving company bringing my shit tomorrow. I didn't even really have much clothes. Okay. Yeah, I just took my clothes and that's it. But it was like you had a total of how many conversations with this man before you moved in? One. Yeah. That is fucked. Then married him. And married him. Married him. And then I went through his...
old iPhone and I saw that he was married to and had two kids in Memphis. The family was living in Memphis and he would go visit them, right? And I had no idea and so I...
Got an annulment because it was only two weeks. We were only married for two weeks. So I just annulled it. Annulled it. But also if he's already married, does that marriage even count? No, it doesn't. It doesn't. Okay, so like we don't even need to count that one. Fuck that one. But we want to count it. I want to count it. Because it's dope. Yeah. I want to count it. Then my second one was to a porn guy. He was a male performer. Met him one time on set. Comes and picks me up. He wants to get married right away.
and then you're going to an immigrant with me after this and teaching me everything listen to what happened though okay tell me we go to a he was from england so we go to a immigration lawyer and the immigration lawyer is like
I don't know how to tell you this, but you're not even supposed to be here. You shouldn't even be allowed in the US. You have drug trafficking charges. So the guy I was seeing was used to traffic drugs. And I was like, you should have told me that before we got married, because now you're not even allowed here. Like you need to go. You can't work. You can't nothing. Was he trying to get a green card out of you?
I think so, but then I also don't think so. It was impossible because he had drug trafficking charges. Oh, so there was no green card to be had. Yeah, so then he wouldn't leave. He destroyed my... I had a townhouse, destroyed all my stuff in it. So I called the cops and he's not allowed in the U.S. ever again. So it's like the best restraining order. Oh my God. Okay, so...
You guys couldn't get married or you could? We did. We got married in Vegas, yeah. But he couldn't be a citizen? Yeah. And I didn't know until after the marriage. Okay. And I was like, this isn't really cool. That's not cool at all because that kind of puts you in this situation where you're probably getting flagged when you're traveling internationally. Yeah, or just financially. He can't work. He can't get an ID, nothing. So I was like, no, you got to go. And then we had our...
kind of thing 'cause we got married in Vegas, none of my family was there and stuff. And I left with a different guy on that weekend and that's the third husband.
- I just, okay. We're similar in the sense, I'm not getting married, but we're jumpers. - Oh yes. - Jump, jump, jump, jump. - I have such a problem with it. I'm like, I'll meet someone and then it's... - Well, yeah. - Yeah, clearly. - I can tell by the first guy. He gave you his number and you were living with him the next day. - Yeah, mm-hmm. - Okay. So this drug trafficking dude, you get in a fight with him. - Yeah, it was like, you're not living
with no income at my place for two years. I mean, I was 19, 18 maybe still. - And how old was he? - 30s. So I was like, I'm not taking care of a 30 year old at 19 because he trafficked drugs and didn't tell me. - The whole point in dating a guy that's gonna be that much older is they're taking care.
Not the whole point. By the way, I have a history of dating way older. The oldest I've dated, it was 17 years, so. I've dated around a lot with older, so sometimes. Do you have a thing for that, or does it just, are you open to any type? I always had a thing for older. I think just a security thing, naturally, even though I've always made my own income. And then I was never the type of person that liked to go out and party and like that kind of stuff. And then I...
to and then I started to date closer to my age. Okay. Yeah. So now you're dating closer but what does closer mean? This within a couple of years older. Yeah. Yeah. So basically same age. Yeah. That's great. I kind of want to try like significantly younger. I know I kind of want to be a MILF to someone. You want to what? I want to be a MILF to someone. Just to try it out. It's in. There's something
sexy about just a younger dude and you just calling the shots and being like come eat me out yeah be my bitch yeah be the dominant one because I buy my significant others a lot of stuff so I could be like a sugar mommy milf you know yeah but the problem is is when they're super young like that then they get really attached and they're very immature so that's how you do get someone a little bit psycho
- Yeah. - And they already are a little-- - Like they got tattoos of your name.
I have a few people with my name. Well, I bet. I have a few fans with my face. Full on face, yeah. That's really fucking crazy. That's like serious fandom. Yeah, it is. Okay, wow, sleuths. I mean, my followers aren't doing that shit. But they will soon if you ask them to. If I show my feet, if I start showing the feet. So you have a tattoo of a guy's name. Yes, I do. On my chest, right here. It's big. Are you with this guy right now? No.
Is there a reason we haven't like... So it's a recent breakup and then I went to go laser it and I didn't realize you can't tan for four weeks before you laser a tattoo. So that's why it's kind of still there. Oh.
And I honestly am like, whatever. Yeah. It looks cute. And honestly, I won't say the name, right? I can't say the name. Just says Brynn. I mean, everyone. Okay. Okay. I assume Brynn was like maybe a kid, maybe like one of your friends that passed when I saw the tattoo. Yeah. Okay. So we're good. No, just an ex. Just an ex. Just an ex.
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- So, this second guy, he can't make money because he can't work on drug trafficking charges, cute. - Yeah. - Then all you have to do is call the police. - Yeah, he just acted crazy 'cause I left when we were supposed to do our wedding renewals and I left with another guy to France
and I posted next to the Eiffel Tower on our wedding day and I was like, you know, next to it. So he freaked in the 12 hours on the way back. I didn't have any Wi-Fi. So I posted it right before and he just went crazy. He lost it. That's one of the craziest things, like most toxic, like fuck with your head things you can do is...
doing something fucked up and then no one can reach you for 12 hours i wish i didn't do that because he destroyed my place yeah he went binge drank went out into the ocean i mean oh my god so the guy from france that you married he was from sweden but yeah okay we went to france together
You knew him while you were with this other? Yes, I had met him like at a barbecue type of thing. And then he was like, do you want to go to France next weekend? And I was like, I actually have those days off because I was supposed to renew my wedding vows. But I'll go with you instead. So you were supposed to renew? Yeah, my family and everything was in town. My family, my sisters are really good. I was like, you guys got to really hold it down and like...
I'm leaving. They're like, yeah, sure. And they didn't get what? What does that mean? Hold it down. I was like, you got to hold, you got to handle the drama that's about to. Oh, fuck. They did. You just left it for like your sisters to clean up? I did. And they cleaned it up. Wow. Round of applause for your sisters. That's very fucking sweet. Well, it was all in love in France. Yeah. So you're in France. You take a picture in a sciful tower. Yeah.
on your wedding anniversary with someone else that had you even divorced him yet? No, I hadn't. But my divorce was quick with him because it was fraud because he didn't tell me about his
drug trafficking charges okay so I was able to get divorced very quickly and honestly I when he got kicked out of the country you have to show up to a court date and he wasn't able to because he can't get into I knew that right he couldn't get back in so I knew they were going to grant me the divorce bye I hope you have your suitcases packed so the two divorces
that you experienced were like quick, just so easy. - Yeah, then my third was took years. - Okay, let's talk about the third one. - The third one I got married very quickly after in the Seychelles. Yeah, I was really pretty. - So he was rich?
For some of the marriage, he was rich and then he lost it all. But that's not why I divorced him. Okay. It's not why I divorced him. I really liked him. So you have a good heart. Yeah. Well, I make my own money too. Yeah. So, you know, I divorced him because he ended up getting someone pregnant while we were married and it was very heartbreaking for me. I mean...
I'm sorry I'm laughing. I know it's so funny. I cried on the bathroom floor for like three months. I was so heartbroken over it. He really couldn't wrap it up. I mean, it's one thing to cheat, but he couldn't wrap it up. No, and you know what the worst part was? It was, he had another, another kid and it was kind of like the nanny for the older kid. And, um,
There was cameras in the living room so I and I watched them having sex I feel like I saw the actual like sex where she got pregnant because he told me that he only had sex with her one time and he was like Fucking her and then she gets off. She's like trying to talk to him He just clicks on the TV and he just ignores her and I'm like, oh my gosh
- Oh my God. - That's like very psycho. - That is very psycho. But you think you saw the impregnation. - Yes. - Were you just like watching these cameras 'cause like you're into watching him fuck people? - No, I never seen that before. I never seen him. - Like was he cheating or did you know he was fucking? - I never really checked up on it. I had a really good life with him. So I never checked. And then he told me that she was, or she told me she was pregnant.
Before she told him. And then. Why is that? I don't know. I think for like my, like maybe my acceptance. I don't know. Like I think she. Well, cause he fucking turned the TV off after they thought. Maybe she needed help like telling him or something. I don't know. And I just was like, no, this is not it for me. And I was really upset. Yeah.
Yeah. As you should be. Were you guys in an open relationship? No. So what's kind of your mental, first of all, the three dudes you're married to, um,
very interesting characters. - Very, I like interesting ones. - You like interesting, you like, yeah, personality. You don't wanna be fucking bored. - No. - And I can see that. - I like toxic, I prefer toxic. I was just talking about it. There's so many nice guys that I've met that are wealthy, good looking and raised right. And I'm just like, no, thanks. - You just get bored. But do you love the drama?
yeah you do so you guys so you like low-key kind of liked when you found out about the drug trafficking and like yeah oh yeah i i love bad guys but the girl getting pregnant were you into that or that one was too that was too far that was too far so then you guys get a divorce i'm assuming he didn't want to get divorced he didn't want to get divorced and he just had to he was losing all his money and stuff i was like we need to get divorced right now yeah okay so then that divorce took forever
- It did, took years. - But you're like fully on board with like get married, get divorced, it's no big deal. - Yeah, I don't care. I mean, I just signed prenups. I have no problem signing prenups. I want the other person to sign one too because- - Thank you. - Because I haven't gotten any money or anything from marriages and you know. - Who advised you to do the prenup? - Oh, I just knew that I wanted that. - Okay, smart girl. - Honestly, it was Jessica Simpson. She,
got married didn't sign a prenup so she started making more than the guy that she was married to and then I think she had to pay out the guy and I was like I don't ever want that to happen to me because I have a lot of goals and if I marry someone that's wealthy and then they lose it and then I no no thank you yes you always get a prenup and I don't know why people are still out here saying like it's not romantic like it's not cute I think it's super romantic
to have a contract to say you're not allowed to. - Yeah, what the fuck? And so your last marriage, he was making money at one point and then he stopped. Is it 'cause he got like comfortable and you were just like paying for everything? - No, he was a songwriter and producer. So I think he just wasn't writing hits at that time. - 'Cause he was too busy fucking the fucking nanny. - Yeah, and having a new baby, yeah. - Well, I mean, God bless that child and that nanny. We hope the best for you guys.
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Okay. You give a lot of relationship advice on different kinds of relationships. Mm-hmm.
one of them being the throuple yeah tell me about the throuple so it was very short it was a married couple or they weren't married at the time and I met him he was just always hitting on me and stuff and then I went over to his he made me some food we started having sex and I was like where's your girlfriend at and he's like should I call her over so she came and then she was like
I'm so jealous. He always takes you out and you know, I'm waiting at home for him to come home and I know that he's here fucking you and all that kind of stuff. And I was like, oh wow, I didn't,
I'm sorry. And then we all went upstairs and had a threesome. After she just cried about being so jealous? Yeah. And did that threesome bring you guys closer together? Kind of, kind of not. Because then he came inside of me and she was really sad about it. And she sat on the edge of the bed and she was like this. See, I feel like if she was already feeling bad, then he should have came in her. Right? Yeah. If I was her, I would have snapped over that. Yeah. That would have never happened.
Like at that point you guys needed. I would have got divorced over that. Yeah. Seriously. Yeah.
100%. Yes. At that point, if I told my guy that I was feeling super jealous, but let's go do this threesome because I'm horny. Yeah. And then he comes in the other girl. And he was that stupid to come in the other girl and not me. Yeah, she sat there like this. But I messed around with him for a while. But I had the throuple worked because I would be with him a lot, just me and him. And then I would be with them a lot. But it sounds like it worked for you, maybe not so much for her. Because I had no restrictions. So I was already had... I was...
That was like a very, very open thing. So I was having sex with other people and still shooting porn. And she was the one that was kind of locked down. I mean, at one point when they got married, she was like, do you want to be my maid of honor? It was that like serious between all of us. Yeah. Okay. See, I've heard it's always better to be the second wife than the first wife. I say always be the mistress. I always mess up there when I get married because I'm like, man, I wish I was...
Right. The second bitch. I do. Second string. More free time. They're not calling your phone all the time. Not asking where you are. You know what I mean? Yeah. When you get all the gifts and. Yeah. Okay. So that. Always be the mistress. Right. That's some huge advice. And I've heard that from, you know, a lot of people. And I know people are listening to this very upset. They are. We're pro. But people are. I feel like.
Men are going to if they're cheaters. They're gonna cheat Yeah So you might as well be happy if the mistress doesn't want anything to do with your marriage and doesn't want to ruin it Does you know what I mean? Yeah
Would you be cool being the girlfriend or the wife and then bringing in a third girl that you guys all fuck around with? Yeah, I've kind of done that before. I had no problem with it, but the third girl, I don't know. It's scary to me a little bit because we're all having sex. And if the third girl can go out and do whatever she wants, it's a little bit health wise. Yeah. Kind of not my thing. So yeah, it's scary. Yeah. I got chlamydia once.
- Horrible. - And I was so young and I thought I was gonna die. - No, it's tough. - Because I wasn't educated on STIs at that time. I was like, oh, this is-- - No one really is. That's the problem is like people really don't, they really think testing every three months is like good. No, you need to test after every partner. - Yeah. - It's not every three months or if you have 30 people in those three months, you need to be testing 30 times. - Yeah.
And a lot of people don't use condoms, which...
- I a lot of times have not used a condom before and I look back and I'm like, what the fuck is wrong with you? - I mean, I've done a lot of non-condom sex for sure. - But then I run to get tested the next day. - You're not worried like from that time that person finishes to when you get to the clinic. - Oh, the whole time. - And then you're waiting five days for it to come back. - The whole time I'm like, I know for a fact and the fact that he was confident to not wear one is scaring me even more. - There is this one reality
TV person and I wish I could say their name, but I promised him I wouldn't. You can mouth it to me.
Okay, okay, okay. Oh, I have shit to say about him too that I'll tell you after. I won't say it on here. And I remember he pulled his pants out, which he has a really big cock. Oh my God. He does hard. Okay, so maybe I will text him back. Are you sure? Okay, keep going. You should. But then he was so sulky and he was like, I don't want to wear a condom. And I was like, no, I don't know you. And I think I had a boyfriend at the time too. So I was like, I need to absolutely wear one. Yeah. And what did he call the whole thing off? I sent him home. What?
He didn't want, I put one on and then it was just so like, it was such a battle. I was like, I'm not even into this anymore. Like you're, you've completely turned me off. Leave. I haven't even hung out with him in person and he's turned me off by the way he's acted. Like the, like the shit he's even said to me and I've never even seen him in person. I've been like,
You kind of seem like really full of yourself. Super full of himself. And like delusional. And like, I'm not. And he's like super short in real life. Like I think I was taller than him. He like really pissed me off. I'll tell you later. I can't wait. I'll tell you later what the fuck he did. Okay. So let's jump into kind of the business side of things because you have built a huge brand, millions and millions of dollars. Mm-hmm.
Walk me through it. I mean, you don't have to tell me, you know, beginning, middle and end, but kind of what are you up to and how do you how do you build a brand like that? I built my brand, you know, I was so young that looking back, I'm like, how did I even really build my brand? But it was just from putting out so much content and really creating.
saturating Pornhub on their like front page yeah and I I looked very young you know what I mean and and so I was very appealing to a lot of people I was just constantly tweeting I was tweeting the fans back I was very I was just very engaged yeah you're a hustler yeah like always putting shit out always just putting stuff out and then I was very careful on
I was very kind to them. I think a lot of people argue with their fans and I'm very thankful that I never really did. I just ignored them. And then I hired within the industry an actual PR person. I think I would pay him a hundred bucks, but the fans pay attention to like,
the porn news and that kind of stuff. So I would pay him a hundred bucks to put out a new thing of me. And I think that really helped me really helped grow your stuff. Yeah. I had a bad experience one time with a publicist and I was paying like $6,000 a month and they didn't do anything. They weren't doing shit. And I was like, a lot of it can be a scam. I mean, this one was so cheap. I mean, it was right.
What do you think about this artificial intelligence and like how it's taking over the porn industry? By the way, I came across this video, which is so terrifying. AI, Emma Roberts, I think, unzipping a guy's pants and about to give him a BJ. It looks just like her. It wasn't her, but it looked exactly like her. I have...
have like I love it and then I don't I have a real it would save me so much time if I was able to create something that looked identical to me the amount of money I could make I mean that sounds like the best possible I make jokes all the time I need a clone I really do imagine with my content if especially because I don't want to do scenes with other people imagine if I could just be like yeah sure whatever it's you know whatever amount and you can
I'll match me with this person and, you know, any type of scene, anything. But then there's that scary part of it, right? Because what if they're using it in malicious ways, right? Putting your next door neighbor in a gangbang. You know what I mean? And that's not it's almost like they didn't consent to it, but it's not really dumb. So I have like this thing where it's like it's not really dumb, but you're also using someone's likeliness, which I think is.
not good. Yeah, exactly. Imagine this is going to be a huge problem with this AI thing is like copyright and distributing is going to be and you won't be able to find the source of the person. It's like a whole thing. What if they're saying it's not you, right? Because then there's definitely ways around it. So it's not really you. What if they change your hair a little bit shorter and you're like, it's not really her. It's just kind of looks like her. But it really is. You know what I mean? They do that kind of stuff all the time. So imagine someone's creating
anything of you, you would be upset. Yeah. But then also you just said you kind of wish you... But I also want to do it myself if I'm in charge of it. Yeah. Right? There just needs to be strict regulations on it. Very strict. Yeah. And I don't even know how you would regulate that at all. I don't think they're going to be able to. I don't know. I really don't know how they would be able to do it. No, it's going to be like too much data to go through. Yeah. Yeah.
So we love it. We love it, but we fucking hate it. I kind of love it. I'm leaning towards love. Now that I really think about it, because people steal my content and throw it up on stuff anyways. Me too. So...
why not help myself out a little bit and honestly if someone were to put my face let's say on a gangbang video would you like that I feel like you would like it I feel like you would watch yourself 100 I'd be like how spot on is this AI did they make me look hot but also how many like followers and did I gain from this video that they put up
with my face on it. What if someone is super against porn and someone puts them in a porn type of thing? That's bad. That's really bad. That's really mean. That's really mean. Or just like if you're in a fight with someone and you take their face or their voice and have them say something really bad. Yeah. And it takes jobs away too. I don't know. Yeah.
I'm excited to kind of see what happens. We love the drama. Right? Maybe that's what's it. It is one drama. We just love toxic. We're like, when it comes to men, AI, anything, let's get dirty. There's certain celebrities where I'm like, I wish I could really watch myself with them.
Oh my God. Right. So the AI thing we're into, but we're not, but mostly like we're into, we like want to get messy with it. So I want to know something because I relate to this quite a bit and I can only imagine you do is like,
something society struggles with is a multifaceted woman. And if you've done one thing, they cannot seem to wrap their brains around the fact that you want to enter like a different business or field or do something different or be different. Right? Yeah, no, for sure. But I also feel like it is changing slowly. I do feel like OnlyFans has really helped
like make it so mainstream since there's so many celebrities on there and you know what i mean that it's almost everyone is kind of like a porn star like you know what i mean that does some type of like nudity yeah so it's i think that it's slowly changing i really do i think that people are becoming more more open and then also like those generations that are very open we're starting to get older right so now we're just all have these open minds i really feel like
It's changing. Yeah. It's changing. But I do get it in a way, right? Because there's people who are very conservative.
Yes, there are. Very. They're still out there. They're still out there. They don't hang out with us. They'll forever exist. Yeah. They're out there. Very. Mm-hmm. They're all in Texas. I could actually completely see that. 100%. But they're kind of not people in Texas, but people that are very just closed-minded conservative. Yeah.
They are the ones that the second you say I was in porn, it's like there is nothing else that she can be or do. She will be porn star forever. Right. Yeah. Which I don't mind that because I know that's kind of why I'm here. A lot of girls will retire and then they kind of.
try to pretend it never happened yeah pretend it never happened i'm very thankful for the porn industry so i have no problem people judging me on it and i think there's a lot of people like me that i'm like whatever yeah i did porn yeah but how long am i gonna say i did porn like seriously am i gonna be 50 saying i did porn girl you are preaching to the choir yes but
But I mean, it's that makes me happy that like it is changing quite a bit because we're more accepting of just, I think, sex work. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's kind of been forced down people's throat. Yeah. Yeah. And how do you feel about it getting so saturated, though?
I mean, I established myself really well. So you got in there quick. I was, I was, yes. I think if I joined now, I think it'd be very hard for me. Same. If I tried to like start podcasting now, very hard. It's super hard. Super hard.
No one wants to actually go to an actual job now, like a nine to five. So everyone's doing these OnlyFans podcasts, you know. I was tripping at 16. I was tripping underage. Oh, okay. Underage. So you had a hustler written all over you. Yeah. And guys would come in. They'd be like, man, you look so young. I shouldn't even look at you. My daughter's 16. And I'm thinking, so am I. And you're like, mm-hmm.
You needed something at that time. I did. I kept my bills really paid. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, I'm not going to judge you for it at all. Do you think it's, it's not good for girls to get into the industry very young or do you not think it matters? I think that if I didn't strip before and I didn't, I wasn't raised to be so mature. I wasn't forced to be an adult.
so early I think I would have a I would think people should wait so if you come from where you you're lacking a lot of maturity and stuff like that I don't think you should get I think you should wait right till 21 maybe even a little bit older do you think there should be more regulations on that no and yes because if I say there should be regulations that I wouldn't exist yeah if I started when I was 21 I mean I'm 26 now I would just be ending like my
Right. And then restarting a new one. I don't want to do that. Yeah. I'm happy I started at 18, but I did watch a lot of girls at 18. I'm like. That they did not end up well. No. There's a lot of drugs around. You know, it's entertainment. Yeah. Not drugs on set, but like a lot of parties. Of course. Of course. They should do a psychiatric evaluation for anyone entering the entertainment space. And no one would enter. No one. No one. No one would.
Because even actually, even if you are strong, a lot of times it like because you've got to be a tough cookie. You've got to be a certain kind of person to get into porn. And yeah, a psychologist is not going to approve you. Yeah, I feel like I probably wouldn't get approved for it.
Yeah, they'd be like, you need to do the feet first and then come back. Okay, Elsa, this has been so fucking great. I want to quickly answer some listener questions that the sleuths wrote in. So the first question is, hi, Sophia. I got ghosted by someone who runs in the same circle as me after hooking up and I still see him around. How do I act around him? LOL, this hurt my ego.
I think act so friendly and like it doesn't affect you. Yeah, and then he'll start texting you.
I mean, act like you do not care whatsoever. Smiley, you know, you can even be flirtatious, tempt him back and then be like, no. Right. The worst thing you could do is act but her or try to avoid him or acting awkward and shy and nervous. You need to act the opposite. And one night he will hit you up and then you ghost him. Leave him on read. Make sure you put
- So easy. - Put your read receipts or whatever. - Yeah, exactly. And then boom. - Or just turn your wifi off and go to Paris for 12 hours. - Okay, next question. Is it possible to be friends with the jealous, insecure girl?
I have a friend who is super insecure and deals with it by trying to flirt with every guy I've been with. She dresses like me, buys the same accessories as me, even copies my mannerisms and the way I talk. I try to empathize with her, but it just gets worse over time. I can't stand being around her. I can't tell if I'm being mean or if it's reasonable to cut her off because it's annoying. Love you. Thank you.
I mean, this person needs to cut them off in general because they clearly do not like them. So who has friends that they don't like? Right. But I've had friends like that and they need to go right away because those kind of people you can't trust. And it's actually very creepy to have someone mimic every single thing. It's cool to be like, I love to kind of like dress my friends, stuff like that, because I feel like I have, you know, I'm good with that. But I think
When someone's acting exactly like you. Yes. Oh, they'll do the worst stuff to you because they want to be you. So they want to replace you and they'll do anything in their power to do that. Okay. You've obviously dealt with this on a very personal level, which I have too. It's really fucking annoying because they're stealing your personality. And so I've had friends start talking like me. I mean, I've had people really...
Try to be exactly like me and it's they will I'm telling you they will do anything to replace you Yeah, and that's also like people who don't have an identity are not good people to be around. Yes, and if a friend is jealous of you or
You gotta cut them off. Cut them off. And you can't, that type of person too, when you try to cut them off, it's gonna be a fight. So you just gotta block right away. Right. Don't even say anything or just stop replying. Mm-hmm. I totally agree. Okay, last question and then we're gonna wrap up. Elsa, where did you get the inspiration for your name? Was it from Frozen? It was. Okay. Kind of, kind of not, right? So I was working on the strip club at the time and then...
Do you know Elsa from American Horror Stories? No. One of the seasons, she runs this circus and she's blonde and she runs this circus of just the weirdest people and her name is Elsa. Okay. So when I would strip and stuff like that, they kept calling me
And I was like, well, I actually really like. And you were a fan of that character on American Horror Story. And I was like, I'm even going to name my daughter Elsa. Like, I just thought this lady was the coolest. So yes and no. Uh-huh. I mean, it is a beautiful name. I like it. I mean, that makes sense. You're like, no, I really liked the girl from American Horror Story, right? Because she was a badass. I mean, Elsa was a badass.
you know, in Frozen. Yeah, and I look very similar, especially then, too, because I worked at a strip club where you had to wear gowns, so I'd actually wear a blue gown. So you had Elsa written all of these from Frozen. That's an interesting strip club. You guys had to wear gowns? Yeah, it was in...
Washington, D.C. Uh-huh. And they, well, sexy gowns, you know? Yeah. Not like... Right, right, right. No, no. Like prom? Yeah, no. Yeah, I doubt it. What, was it like a themed strip club? It was just a very fancy strip club. I doubt it even exists anymore because I think men like to go to strip clubs for them to be kind of like disgusting. Yeah. It was just too bougie. It was almost like a...
it was just so right it was almost like we were go-go dancers that would get fully nude it was interesting i mean all you had to see was gowns i'm like yeah i know right lingerie underneath it was just a lot to undress right you needed to be quick just like you know corsets and yeah oh my god okay that strip club is still they would have us like kind of do routines together like
Like there's two stages. Like choreographed. Yes. That's fucking hilarious. The men are like, we don't care if the two girls are at the same tempo, to be honest. Yeah, they're like, get down. You guys can't even dance. Yeah. Like we're here for something else. We don't give a fuck. We're the tits. Okay.
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feet please well you're gonna be the one like coaching me i'm gonna help you if you really want to help i have great feet ideas yeah i i know i mean i have like i have like three feet tips that like i'm taking away just from this episode right crunch oh my god web toes okay guys we're gonna get off this subject elsa thank you so so much and sleuths i will talk to you next week bye bye guys
