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Hello everybody. Welcome to Sophia with an F. I am recording from WTF Media Studios, the most chic, sexy, gorgeous studio to record from. We are in Soho, New York. I have the most fabulous guest of all time.
Is he uncut?
I met you, Izzy, through Kiana. Yes. For those of you who don't know, but I'm sure you do, Kiana, A, works for me, B, is one of my best friends, C, a bitch, because she completely roasted me last week on my own podcast, but we love her. You guys have been friends since, what, middle school? Yes, so I knew her through All-Star Cheerleading, which was my past life, my subsection of faggotry, if you will. Oh, okay.
I was an all-star cheerleading coaching choreographer, but before that, I was just an athlete and we kind of had similar friends and just knew each other through that. Okay. Could you do a standing full? Yes. I was a cheerleader too. Yay! But I could never
get a full. Oh my god. All-star cheerleader? All-star cheerleader and I was on, there were like five different teams. I was the next lowest from the, you know, the most advanced team you could be on. Yeah. It really fucked with my self-esteem that I could never get there. You're like, goddammit, I'll never be level five. Actually. That's hysterical. Yeah, I know. I've known Kiana for a minute. I know her dad, Mr. Bobby Condors. Bobby Condors.
Yes. I said last week to Kiana, I was like, I wish your dad was here instead of you. That would have been so, to have an actual celebrity like on the show. An actual celebrity. Yeah.
But Kiana put us in touch and I'm fucking pissed that it took this long because I'm obsessed with you already. Izzy walked in. I was naked. She saw me in my thong getting dressed up because Izzy, this is the most dressed up I have ever, ever, ever been recording a podcast ever.
You usually say like leggings, sweatpants, like fuck it. A thousand percent. And I had a feeling that you would show up and outdress me. Can you imagine I showed up in sweatpants? I'm like, hey, this is just audio, right? Like nobody's ever going to see this. I know.
I'm a full man, like no wig whatsoever. I would feel like a fucking idiot wearing this randomly all of a sudden for no reason. No, you're doing drag. You're doing drag. The tits are pressed. It's happening. No, the tits aren't pressed. They're just naturally huge, Izzy. That's it. Giant, huge, natural. Guys, you guys...
Okay, Izzy Uncut. Now, here is your grand intro. Izzy Uncut, everybody. Izzy is a drag queen based out of New York City. You perform all over the city. You said that your work is inspired by strong, funny women that can hold a stage. Oh, you've read some bios. I have. Look at her, because I was like, I didn't even send that to you. You just like, you knew that just from knowing. Well, I thought you were talking about me, kind of.
Precisely. That's what it was. You know what I mean? I said, my drag is inspired by you. And look at me, my tits just push to the gods. Huge naturals here. I'm just, I'm being you today. Funny women that can hold a stage high. Precisely. Nice to meet you. Yeah.
But you've made a name for yourself through your performances. I have been obsessed with drag since I was 12 years old. And I saw 2-1-2 on accident. I wasn't supposed to. And then The Birdcage. Since then, I've been obsessed. That's when the bug bit you. Right? Did you watch those movies? I have, yes. You have? Yes. You don't like them? I mean, it's... You're giving a face right now that's giving me the vibe you don't love it.
It's one of those things where it's like it's required reading basically. Like you have to see it. But like I'm like I don't actively go home and watch it anymore. Like you haven't watched them in a while I'm sure right? No I haven't. Exactly. It's like in high school and you have to read The Great Gatsby and like The Bell Jar. Precisely.
Exactly. Similar to that. Okay. Totally feel that. Izzy Uncut is your drag name. Yes. Which I didn't, it didn't register in my brain what the fuck that meant until, I don't know, five hours later. Genius. It.
- He uncut. - You gotta ask the important questions. - It's so fucking good, and when we're talking about uncut, are we saying uncircumcised, or are we saying the penis is still intact? - Uncircumcised, so I always say, I'm like, my legal name is Isabella Uncircumcised, but you can call me Izzy Uncut.
That is fucking hilarious. Okay, I love that. I was trying to think of what my drag name would be and I just, it's too hard. It's too hard to come up with anything. It is. It's very difficult. There's like, there's some cute ones. There's some ones that like, whenever anybody asks, they're like, what should my drag name be? And everybody has like a notes app section of like ones that they're like, I almost was this or I didn't want to be this or blah, blah, blah. Right. There's also a lot of really basic ones. I was watching RuPaul and some of them I'm like,
Really? What is the creativity? A lot of them sound exactly like the same. Like, there's like Anita Cocktail and like things like that. Exactly. Where I'm like, everybody's done like an Anita pun. Right. Anita Dick. Exactly. Like, there's so many people that have a version like that. Like, if you're coming into the scene right now and you want to be Anita something, it's like, no, baby. Like, there's already successful girls that got that. Me literally scrolling through my notes right now and going right past my Anita Dick one that I wrote down. Ha ha ha ha ha.
No, you're, like we said, you're Heather Gray Sweatpants. That's your name. No, I was thinking, so my middle name is Vanina. Okay. Which is very Argentine. I'm sure you've never heard of that. Sofia Vanina. The fact that it rhymes and my mom did that shit to me, like, fuck off, I love you, mom. I was thinking it could be something with Vanina. I mean, it's one letter away from vagina. I was going to say Vanina Noina. Oh, that's good. That's not bad, guys. Vanina Noina's fun. Right? I can't.
Wait, I'm actually very impressed that you came up with that. Oh my God.
Oh my God, thank you so much. That was... We're paying a ghostwriter for that one. No, that's really good. No, I came up with that one. Izzy, I want to back up a little bit and just talk about kind of your origin story, the birth of her, where your origins began with this, and what made you want to do drag, basically. Well, essentially, like I said, all-star cheerleading coach, choreographer. I lived in Jersey all my life. Always wanted to live in New York.
And eventually I decided, I'm like, change a career, let's move here, let's do it. But there's no market for cheerleading. So I was like, okay, if I'm moving to New York, start fresh. Was working just like designer retail. And then I was like selling memberships at an Equinox. I said no market for cheerleading. Like I'm crying right now.
There's like nothing. There isn't. You really can't do it here. Like the space that it requires to have like just the room for gyms. It's like you have to go all the way out to like Staten Island. Right. Why would you do that? How about that?
How bad did you want to be a flyer? I was a flyer sometimes. You were? I would do a couple basket tosses here and there. I was never like pulling body positions. Yeah, but I was like, I'm a skinny, I'm a skinny little girl. But yeah, no, I was like, I would be thrown in the air when it would be like, they need like the one boy doing the basket toss every once in a while. Wow.
You were a fire, obviously. No, I actually wasn't. What, what were you? The fuck in the front or side? What is it called? A side? A side. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just a side? Yeah. That's all it's called? And also a side is like a sexual position too. Right? Is it? What? So in the gay community, you can be a top, you can be a bottom and then, uh, you can obviously be verse, which is like, I do both. Um,
But then it's very European. Some people are more into it now, but people are, some people are like, I'm a side. Like I really don't fuck with anal sex. So there'll be like, I just do mouth stuff. Oh, so blow job. Yeah. Blow jobs. Like I'm a side. I'm somewhere in between. I'm like, don't. Yeah. Isn't that great? I'm such an idiot. Cause I really thought you were going to say it's like when you are laying on your side, I only get fucked on my side.
I was like, wait, I don't like, I don't really understand that. A side is so many things. It's a sex position. Also like a side piece. Yeah. We've all been a side at one point. Absolutely. It's kind of fun. It is. I mean, yeah, actually I'd be so down to be a side, but only oral sex on me. And like, I don't have to do it. Oh yeah. Yeah. Just receptive. Like that's all.
Side receptive. Yes. We're making it a thing. Exactly. So, okay, so there wasn't a market for cheerleading. Then you worked in retail. And I started going out and, like, just watching drag shows, like, here in New York. And I was seeing queens that were big in the city doing shows at the bars that I do shows at now. Queens like Bob the Drag Queen, Monet X Change, Miz Cracker. And it was kind of just, like, my calling. I was, like, watching people, like, be very—
very funny, hold a mic, hold a crowd, be able to just be like hysterical and put on a show. And I was like, I can do that. And then I tried, failed. I was not like, I obviously was not as funny as them. And then, you know, now five years later, I have shows at all the bars in the city and it's happened for me. I'm happy with it. You're fucking incredible. So your first show was what, a bust? Do you want to die? Were you like, what the fuck? So like the way to get started in New York is like you have to do a bunch of just like competitions, like
So you just show up, you bring as many of your friends as possible to cheer you on and you do like one number and if you're good, you win like a cash prize of like $100 that night. And if you lose, then you just go home with your tips and you try again next week. Stop. So I was like,
I think I'm going to kill it. I'm going to be the best bitch. And you got to go into it with that confidence. Yeah. And then you got to get knocked down a peg and be like, okay, you're not the best person ever. You're never going to be the best your first time doing anything. Of course. Of course. And you think it took five years for you to just really come into your own and just like command the stage? No, I'm sure it happened a little bit earlier on.
Yeah, I'd say I started doing drag full-time after two years. So it's now been three years since I've just been like just full-time drag, five shows a week. Wow. I'd say about like two years in, that's when I kind of like realized I was like, oh, I'm like actually really good at this. I'm getting booked, like not just like entering competitions. Okay. It's for me. Okay, me over three years into podcasting being like, wait, that moment hasn't hit me yet. Don't shut the fuck up. You're great. You know it.
Where can they see you, by the way? Where can I come and see you? All right. So everything is listed on all my social media. A lot of times people are like, oh, I'm at this bar five nights a week. But for New York in particular, you've got to really diversify your portfolio. Yes. You'll be everywhere. Okay, we're talking about stock. Yes, exactly.
So my work week starts on a Saturday and then it ends on a Wednesday. So Saturday I'm at a Playhouse bar in the West Village. On Sundays I am at Hardware bar in Hell's Kitchen.
Mondays, I'm at Barracuda in Chelsea. Tuesdays, I am at Hush. They just sort of rebrand, a whole new bar, my newest show. So that's in Hell's Kitchen. And then on Wednesday nights, I am at Peace's Bar in the West Village. Amazing. I mean, we're going to plug your socials. I'm coming to see you this Saturday.
Oh my god, you have to. That's the fun show. It'll be great. Is it? Yes. Will you get me a front row seat? Absolutely. I mean, I'll pay for it, but just like... Oh, no. No tickets, baby. If you just show up, you walk on in. If anybody wanted to stalk me, I just told them exactly where I am. They know where I am every single night. But I'll make sure to have a little reserved seat. Oh my god. We'll bring you up on stage. It'll be cute. We'll make it a moment. Stop. Yes. Okay, so your performance...
I've watched a little RuPaul. I'm sure every time you speak to someone, that's the first fucking thing they say. It's definitely like, yeah, top five. Right? Absolutely. Have you thought about going on the show? I've auditioned for the show three times. Okay. And obviously have not gone on yet. But you're going to go on. I mean, I would love to. We're going to push for that. We're going to make it happen. We're going to push for that. RuPaul. Call your senators. Call your senators.
But yeah, no, I would love to be on the show. I love the show. A lot of my friends have been on the show. And it's fun to watch the getting ready process. It's so intense. We are going to get into that. I have 78 questions about the getting ready process. But as far as your performance goes, there's a lot of lip syncing. Is it syncing or singing? Syncing. It's syncing. Because you want to sync your lips up with the music. Holy cow.
Holy shit. I'd never even fucking thought about that lip syncing. I mean, I kind of know how to do it just from some tick tocks that I've done. I'm sure you're a lot better than me, but I was stalking your Instagram and your performances and,
The splits. The fucking splits. I can't. It is insane. Would you do the splits on here? Should I? Should I do a little one? I'm begging you. I'm begging you. Where should I do this? Here, let's move the table really fast. Absolutely. It's the craziest splits I've ever seen in heels. I can't. I mean, thank you. Whenever you're ready, baby doll. Oh, shit.
My God. I don't fucking understand. That was insane. Does it hurt? So, no, not really. It's all just in your hamstrings and everything. So...
As far as like tucking, like depending on what I'm wearing, I'll like, I never, you cannot pay me enough money to like put tape on my genitals. So I just don't do it. Why? Because it fucking hurts? Yeah. It's just not worth it to me. Yeah. There's like tucking panties and things like that. Basically, you just like kind of put the balls in the socket and they're like directly in front of you if you're like tucked properly. Right. So you're never going to like on them. Right. Right.
But really just like doing splits, like even if things are just kind of like mushed around down there, I call it like lava lamping. Everything just moves freely. Nothing's like gotta be just like, just exactly like cracked like an egg or anything like that. I mean, I'm thinking of my vagina and if I jumped and did the splits that way, it's because my flaps are so long. It would hurt me. Long flaps.
Wait, what was your middle name again? Vagina. Vanina. Vanina. Lucy Vanina. Oh my God, that's it. That's literally what it is. Um,
So, oh, a question I wanted to ask you is how competitive is the drag world? Obviously, it's fucking competitive. You try to be on RuPaul three times, you will be on the show. But is it competitive as fuck? It's competitive. I mean, it really depends. There's definitely like a sense of like sisterhood that you have with like a lot of people. Like, and if you just kind of stay in your own lane and focus on yourself, it's not part
particularly competitive. Okay. But there's so many opportunities as far as so many bars, but there's also such an influx of drag based on how popular it's gotten over the years. So, I mean, if you're like a mean-spirited person, you could be like, it's me versus everyone, or you could be like, it's me versus me. Ooh.
- Wait, I fucking love that. - Thank you, yeah. - That needs to go on a fucking t-shirt. - There you go. Merch incoming, it's happening. - Incoming. TM, and I'm not gonna pay you rules. - I have options. - I have fucking options. Do you have a drag queen idol?
Hmm, drag queen idol. I mean, somebody that I'm lucky to call one of my closest friends. The main person that ever let that like inspire me to start drag is Miz Cracker. She was on Drag Race Season 10. She was on All Stars 5. And basically, she's amazing. She's hysterical. I was going to her shows like all across the city with one of my best friends, Caitlin, who is now her assistant.
And that was the person that like inspired me where I'm like, she's funny. I could be funny too. I'm a funny person. I just don't, I just don't scream into a microphone all night. I want to start screaming into a microphone. So I'd say, yeah, definitely. That's one of the, one of those people that's like a hero. But since I'm so close to them, it's not like, it's not like an unattainable thing where I'm like, yeah.
It's not like me being like, I look up to RuPaul, who I do, but it's so unattainable and so untouchable. Like having Cracker so close to me is like, it's really nice, really nice to see her thrive and be, like, talk to her about it. So you guys are good friends? Good friends, yeah, absolutely. I fucking love that. Love that. That's great. And what season was she on? I want to check her out now. She was on season 10 and then I believe it was All Stars 5. I don't think it was 6.
I think it was All Stars 5. Okay, got it. Did she perform in New York? So now she like tours the world. I performed in London with her. She got to perform the London Palladium with her one woman show. Okay, for international everybody. Right. But as her like opening act, she was allowed to bring like three of her like favorite queens from New York. I got to perform a number there at like this legendary theater. It was very cool. It was really great. So she performs in New York, but only like...
ever so often. Right. Right, right, right. How common is drag kings? I feel like
I feel like that would be the most boring thing to do as a woman to dress up as a man. So that's the argument that a lot of people have. People say that like drag kings aren't exciting, but they can be, they can be very exciting. I think people just think because like drag Queens, it's the big hair, it's the fabulous costumes. It's that you think it's like, like Vegas show girl type situation, which it can be. But then there's also people that do like alternative drug. They'll be like,
kind of just like rockstar girls that are like, looking like Avril Lavigne and that's their style of drag. So it's not always the glitz and the glamour and all of it's valid. It's the exact same thing when it comes to drag kings. Um, so there's drag kings that, uh,
do it a little more. They go for like the realness of a man, which, you know, you could say like, oh, that's a little bit boring, but. Or it could be fucking hilarious. Or it could. Put it that way. Exactly. There's a couple of the kings that will do like full blown, just like, it'll be like, they'll rhinestone everything more than I do. Like they'll, like they'll be in full, like the regalia, they'll look like magicians. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah.
And then you're like, okay, well, this is super fun and crazy and great. So yeah, no, there's definitely a drag king scene. In New York City, it doesn't really overlap as much as I think it honestly should. Yeah. But yeah, no, there's definitely king scenes. Chicago has a really huge king scene. It's really great. Yeah, LA, all things like that. It's really great. Thank you for checking me because I was just putting that in such a box. And when I thought drag king, I was thinking...
what are you gonna do put on a flannel and do a john mayer song and like scratch your balls but really it can be like whatever the you want exactly that's me putting men in a box yeah and they don't need to be in a box no way women don't just ours just our boxes just put them in our boxes i'm dead
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Absolutely. First and foremost, it is not the fuck ass about you. People come to a drag show and first and foremost, they like want recognition when they're like, this is my first drag show. Or they'll be like-
Write it in your journal. Exactly. I'm like, you would never walk into any other store with a punch card and want special treatment because it's your first time there. Like, that's not how the punch card works. You gotta come 10 times before you get a free shot, baby. You know what I mean? Actually. Or people will be like, you should really pick on my straight friend. My boyfriend's here and like, he like,
he's straight. You should make fun of him or like you should, it's like, it's not about you or people will get up and start like dancing with you. And I'm like, you would never do that in any other art form. Like you would never get on stage with a standup and start making jokes. You would never like start singing at a concert, like with the singer, like everybody else is sitting and watching a show just kind of like playfully.
what the rest of everybody else is doing. If you're the only person screaming back at me, like heckling me, or if you're the only person getting up and like dancing in front of the stage, I'm like, I jump off the stage. I will kill you. Like you're in the hazard zone, babe. You just split them out.
Yeah, I like get the fuck out. I love that. It's crazy. And there's security at every bar. I'm like, you don't want to be the one that like ruins your night for your friends because you're trying to make it so much about you. Like, right. It's crazy. It's people treating it more like a party that you're there for a performance. Exactly. And it is quite the fucking performance.
Exactly. And then there's a lot of people that like come to drag shows regularly. They obviously know how it works, but the people that treat it like, I call it like queer tourism where they're just kind of like here to like watch the monkeys dance basically. And just like, they treat it like a zoo. Like, oh my God, look how the faggots play. This is so crazy. That's when I'm like, ugh, like this is not a cute vibe. Yeah. And people want to say that it's,
all like bachelorette parties, which like I've definitely had my fair share of bad bachelorette parties, but I've also had my fair share of just like annoying faggots that don't like drag. So it's like, it's not just the straight girls. It's like there are disrespectful people everywhere. But it's the people that kind of treat it more like a spectacle and not like, oh, like this is an art form. This is something that we're here to see and appreciate. And it's something that's like, ha ha, look over there. Like, it's very weird. Weird.
tourism. I've never heard that term until right now. Oh my god, yeah. It's very weird. Is that, could that be compared to people that go to a gay club just to like see what's happening? Exactly. Yeah. It's that type of thing. Yeah, and I'm fine with straight people in queer spaces. Of course. I'm fine with like, I'm absolutely okay with that, but when you like treat it like, when you're not respecting the space, when you're not when you're trying to make it more about you, that's when I'm kind of like, ugh. So basically just
Don't make it about you. Yes. 1000%. I'm going to start doing live shows soon. And I'm like, I don't know how, how I'm going to handle hecklers. Oh my God. It's hell. You've never done one before? No. Well, if you need an opening act, somebody warm them up. Baby. We're always networking. We're always networking. Always, always, always. It never stops. Um, this is, I mean, it isn't random, but I just found this out recently and,
Children banned from drag shows in Texas is a thing. Yes. Which is insane to me. Yes. Out of all the things happening in the world, that's what we need to make sure it doesn't. Of all the things that Texas should be banning, they're banning drag queen.
What do you think about that? And is Texas the only state that does that? I think Florida might be trying to do something similar to that right now. I'm not sure exactly. I'm not surprised Florida. Right. It's just... It's stupid. It's hellish. It makes no sense. Also, like, I didn't get into drag to fraternize with fucking children. Like, I don't... Like, I didn't want to, like...
It's not that I like hate kids, but I definitely like don't want to like interact with them on the daily. Like I want to interact with adults. Like I famously perform at bars, like one of the only places on earth where it's illegal to not be 21 years old. So like I don't do it to be around kids. So if you're thinking it's predatory that like there's drag queens around them, it's like the only time I ever do things around kids is when I'm getting paid like lovely by adults to like perform at like a pro.
with an outdoor stage that kids can come to. Some people do drag queen reading hour, but I'm like, the people that choose to be around children for free, they're creepier than drag queens who are getting paid lovely to perform for adults and children together. - Mic drop, thank you. I couldn't have said it better myself.
you're not putting your performance together thinking, how will this nine-year-old take this in and love this and want to come back? Exactly. What? No, I'm not doing it for kids. If kids like it and parents are like, want to expose them to like queer culture and show them that like, show them drag is great, then yeah, absolutely. I do think like showing kids this and showing kids like what drag is, like if I knew what drag was growing up, like that would have been great. That would have been amazing. I didn't find out until like, like,
well into high school. But I'm not doing this for children. Right. So, like, don't think it's, like, this predatory thing when drag queens, like, happen to be around kids once every, like, 20 gigs. I know. Like, what the...
Texas, just fucking knock it off. Exactly. I mean, it's completely ridiculous. I think it's so powerful and beneficial, if anything, for children to see that type of creativity and showmanship, you know? Visibility is everything. Just like what you were saying, I think it's important for kids to see that growing up. Absolutely. I don't think kids should listen to my podcast. I'll tell you that right now. This is something completely different.
Exactly. And it's like, but like, if they did, is that on you or is that on them? That's what I always say. Exactly. I'm not here to be a role model for your kids. Yeah, exactly. Fuck Texas. And fuck Florida. Even though I feel like there's a lot of drag in Florida. They have a lot of drag in Florida. And there's a lot of drag in Texas, too. Is there? Yeah, there's a huge Texas scene. Okay, I have to ask this because...
I'm sure you deal with fucking haters all the time. The people in Texas, as an example, just people that are uncomfortable with the LGBTQ community.
specifically a lot of times with men who dress in drag how do you act around those people like do you have like an example oh kiana told me kiana actually told me before we did this that you refuse to dress in drag when you're on the subway here in new york yeah i mean like i have done it before and sometimes it's like necessary but i can't remember the last time i've been on dragon on the subway and like i just
don't want to be around people and be like a spectacle when I'm like not getting paid for it when it's not like I'm like this is my job like I'm doing drag for my show I'm not doing drag like for the subway and then like I don't want to deal with like people fucking with me there's queens that will go in full face but then like boy clothes and a backwards hat and everything oh my god
But then there's also people that will be in full drag, like Cracker. She would be in full drag every single night on the way to the gig with her little suitcase. And she loved it. And I'm like, for me, I'm just kind of like, I want to put it all on, be uncomfortable in the Uber for 20 minutes, and then get to the gig and start my job. Yeah. It's a personality thing.
Exactly. Do you want people staring at you or do not? Yeah, exactly. And I'm like, the attention's great, but then also it's like, I know I'm getting almost always positive attention at my shows. On the subway, you're dealing with a whole new cast of characters that is not always positive. Right. What's the most uncomfortable experience? I mean, you don't have to tell me the most uncomfortable, but like just any experience that was just horrible that you were like, what the fuck?
There's been people that have, like, thrown drinks not at me, but, like, they've, like, they've tried to make the show about them. And then I stop my mix midway through. And what do you do? I'll basically be like, what are you doing? Why do you think that, like, this is about you? Why do you think that you're more important than everybody else here? Like, this is my show. And then I'm like, okay, like, let's ask the audience. And I'll usually, like, kind of be a little rude. And I'll be like, I'm like, who here wants me to continue performing? And they're like, woo!
And I'm like, okay, now what's your name, sir? Oh, like John. Who wants John to perform in a stat? And then it's like radio silence. And then I was like, do we think John should leave? And everyone's like, ah.
That actually sounds kind of funny. It is. But then like this, like once this one guy like picked up a glass and like threw it on the ground and like shards of glass. I mean, nobody got hurt or anything, but I was like, uh, can we get like a cleanup? Like this guy's fucking unhinged. And then the security took him out. Thank God. Yeah. He threw a fucking glass. Insane. I hate people. I really hate
them I'm like even still you're still trying to be like I need attention like you know what I mean you couldn't just be like shamed and leave you had to like you know go out with literally a bang it was so ridiculous literal bang yeah well whoever that guy is fuck you we fucking hate you exactly um and he's listening he's listening he 1000% is it Sophia the F his favorite podcast 1000 and then he saw I was here he loves us he tuned the fuck in um
Okay, this is so interesting to me because there's so many allies to the LGBTQ plus community. But it's almost become kind of virtue signaling or performative. And I want to ask you, how can you be an ally without overstepping?
That's a really great question. That's a tough question. No, it's a tough question, but it's a really great question. Once again, just not making it about you. That applies online, not just in person. There's a nice way that I've heard somebody articulate it before where it's, think about it as Twitter. Are you quote tweeting or are you retweeting? If every single thing that you are saying is based about your own perspective, this goes for every movement, for every group of marginalized people. During...
summer of 2020 after George Floyd, I was making it a point to not preface everything with like, as a cis white gay man, I shouldn't be saying anything. But I'm like, no, I'm like, I just will like uplift voices that actually need to be heard. People that are much more knowledgeable on the topic, people that have things to say that aren't from my perspective, because ultimately my perspective doesn't exactly matter in that situation. So a lot of times when people are trying to be allies, they're making it about themselves and
they kind of want like a pat on the back and they want their like, they want their like, they want their like ally cookies. And it's like, we're not doing that. Ally cookies. Yes. I believe that's a Z-Way term, honestly. That's fucking incredible. I have been guilty of this one.
Using drag terms in my daily vernacular. I don't do this anymore, but I used to say hunty 700 times. And there's people that will say hunty or slay or things like that.
What do you think about that? Is that annoying to you? Do you think it's fine? It really depends. To me, I find it fine, particularly if you have, you surround yourself with queer people and you are an ally like that. But there are people that even find an issue when fucking white gays like myself with wigs on use it because it all comes from the ballroom scene, which is predominantly black men and black trans women. So a lot of the things that we say are trickling down from
from culture that I'm not even a part of. So for me, I'm like, if you don't mean it with malice, if you are just trying to have fun and like use common, common lingo, common jargon, I don't think it's a huge issue. There are people that do. And I'm like, who's to say that like my opinion is right and there's wrong. You know what I mean? Right.
But I'm like, if I heard you saying hunty, I wouldn't be mad. You wouldn't be pissed at me. Yeah, I wouldn't be pissed at you. And also, you're like, I mean, even in the most simplistic terms, like, I don't know, like, who you hang out with or who you surround yourself with, but, like, you have a platform. You have me on your podcast. You obviously aren't just, like...
like, hunt-y, like, abolish gay rights. You know what I mean? Like, you obviously are not, like, a shitty person and meaning it in a bad way. So for me, it's mostly about intention. Yes. I think if you are listening and you are extremely conservative and you are against the LGBTQ community and you're out here saying slay, take that word and that term out of your mouth. You're not allowed to use it anymore. Exactly. But if you're not that person, then whatever.
Yeah, like when Fox News is saying, like, we have somebody about to spill the tea. I'm like, shh. Please. I'm like, I mean this with all due respect. Fucking stop. Like, please stop. Actually, I mean it with no respect. It's Fox News. Fuck that. Wait, what? Also, why the fuck is Fox News using the word slay in the first place? Right. Please. Spill the tea. Like, ugh. Like.
people i can't even imagine i definitely don't say spill the tea but i feel like it's because it's outdated but yes i agree i'm not even a person that's like yes spill the tea but i'm like um almost like an affirmative like a yes like i use like just like tea all the time like like oh that's tea like yeah yeah like oh i agree with that 100 yeah and then t is you know aave as well yes and so i'm always aware of that too yes it's just it's i feel like if you're supportive of that community and i feel
like you can always ask if you're around, you know? Yes, exactly. Which is what you just did. So you're good. You're all good. Oh my God. I'm fucking killing it right now. You know who's killing it more is fucking you. And I think this is what people really want to know about. Fuck all the educational. Oh my God. Yeah. We just went on a full like reading rainbow type moment right now. No, I'm kidding. That is the shit we should be talking about. And we did. Now it's time to talk about makeup, ass, sex.
wigs, everything. Let's do it. Okay. So Izzy, you were going to potentially do my makeup. Oh my God. And then Izzy was like, you can't fucking afford me. So it's not happening. No, you can afford me. But I was like, we did not arrange this ahead of time.
I'm fucking with you to not say that. She was very, very sweet and it just, it couldn't happen. I thought, well, we'll do it one day. Oh, absolutely. But getting myself into drag this morning and then getting, I like to give myself two hours from like shower to car. Usually I end up giving myself like an hour and a half. People ask, they're like, how long does it take to get in drag? I'm like, as long as I have plus 15 minutes. So like,
I gave myself an hour today. So I did from like face to like putting on the hair, putting on the body and the outfit. Everything took one hour. But usually it takes an hour and a half.
Yeah, usually I'll do an hour and a half. I know like where to cut the corners. Sometimes I'll like draw a crease and different shadows and stuff. Today is just like a lot of graphic liner. Okay. I'm like, it's early. Sorry. It took me an hour to two hours to get ready. Yeah. So, hi, look at your makeup versus mine. Why is that happening? It's probably because you have so much practice. I think so. I mean, I have a mental breakdown and this is not me being dramatic, a mental doing a winged eyeliner.
It's so annoying. I hate it. I've thrown it. I've chucked it across the room. I hate doing a winged liner. I can't fucking do it. And so I can't even imagine the makeup you're doing. Insane. Yeah, I do a wing every single time. And every single time I'm like, fuck this shit. Right? It never gets easier. Or it gets easier. It never gets less frustrating, I should say.
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I think you probably have some incredible makeup tips, though. You have to. I do. How do you keep your makeup on forever? Is it Urban Decay spray? All Nighter spray is great. Okay. But I use this setting spray. It's...
It's sold at a store called Alcone here in the city. You can get it online as well. It's called Blue Marble and they use it for, use it for like stage and screen a lot. So like I'm like sweating when I'm like performing. I'm basically every, every like show I do is like hit training essentially. Yeah. So like, uh, the urban decay is not going to cut.
it exactly yeah so the so blue marble is this is the brand or the name of it and it's great also the Patrick star one size they make a lot of great products okay I would suggest that so for anyone listening even if you're not doing drag per se but you are gonna have crazy wild sex for 12 hours precisely this is what you should be getting what is called blue blue marble blue marble yes okay I fucking love that
Speaking of hating putting makeup on...
There is no way in hell that you actually enjoy putting makeup on, correct? I did not get in drag because I liked makeup like at all in the slightest. Thank you. Yeah. Because, you know, it was like cheerleading and you know, all-star cheerleading, like it's performance based. It's all like subjective scoring. It's like the theatrics of this, the, that it's like, it's not, um, it's more about like putting on a show and that's what like really drew me to drag. And I also wanted to like host a show and be funny and talk and like,
then I was like, the makeup can come last. So I did a little bit of makeup before. I think I practiced a face once before my first time in drag. And I was like, I hate it. Who cares? And then my first time in drag, I'm like, I still hate it. Here we go. What about, okay, I heard that Elmer's glue on the eyebrows is,
Yes. What is that about? So if you have eyebrows, which I don't, underneath all this, I'm like an eyebrowless little like alien. Yeah. I love that. At first I was like, I don't know if I'm going to like it. And now I'm like, it makes me look so interesting. So your eyebrows are drawn on? Yes. They look amazing. Thank you. I didn't even notice. Oh my God. Yeah. Okay.
killing it. Oh my god, yeah. So I have no eyebrows now. I'm like full-time queens a lot of times. They'll shave them off just because it takes so much time. I used to use the purple Omer's glue stick because I believe that was the one that wasn't water-soluble. Or maybe it was the vice versa. I can't remember. But you would go up with all the hairs and then you would take a spoolie and then you would flatten it out with the back end of a spoolie or a comb or something. I thought you were about to say a hair straightener. Oh my god, no. Can you imagine? You burn it. Wait.
And then you put powder on top and everything. And then you put all your foundation on. Basically, it just creates, like, a fresh start, a new layer. Okay. And now I'm like, I have nothing there. Now you don't have to do that. Exactly. And it's just, you'll always see a little bit of texture when you do that. And then those are the first things to come off when you start sweating. Got it. So, like, not having brows, the makeup goes on so much smoother. I just prefer, like, if you can shave your brows and you don't care and you're doing drag and, like. Fucking shave them. Yeah, just do it. It's easy. It's fun. I would do that 1,000%.
Every time I, like, put on shaving cream, I look like Santa Claus because it's, like, all white. Like, it's all up, like, it's all up on where the eyebrows are and then it goes back down in the beard area. Like, I have just a full, like, face of shaving cream. I'm just like... It's fucking hilarious. It's... You have a lot of makeup on right now. Yes. Can we all agree? Absolutely. A ton of makeup. Yeah. We were talking about this earlier. Izzy was going to bring...
uh, champagne and she accidentally forgot, which is really funny because I was going to do rosé and I also forgot. So we're doing this sober, which is fucking shocking, but we discussed how we will drink before, before you perform. Sometimes I will when I'm podcasting. Mm-hmm.
I didn't want to do that at 12, but I would be lying if I said I've never, you know, had a few glasses at 10 a.m. recording. Precisely. I've done it. Yeah. But you drink a little bit. You are so fucking exhausted. You can't lie to me right now. Do you take your makeup off every night before you go to sleep? I've gotten really good at actually doing it. And the reason is because I...
I'm so uncomfortable in drag that I almost never leave the gig in drag. Oh. So there's a lot of people, like I'm going to get out of drag here if you don't mind. I'm going to leave the face because I have a show later, but I'm going to take all of this off and be like full boy except for the makeup.
It's so uncomfortable. Like right now, like I'm not even wearing, usually I wear like a little cincture and I'll have like a bra with like fake tits in it. But I'm still, I'm wearing like pads of like foam pads for my ass right now. Why though? To make it bigger, to make it like, to give like an hourglass shape. I was going to ask you, once again, I was talking on Instagram, I was going to say, how did you get your ass to look like that?
Oh, uh, like my tits. It's not real. It's just, yeah, exactly. It's not real. It's a facade. Yeah. It's all magic. It's magician. It's magician bullshit. But, uh, yeah, no, you wear, basically you wear these pads that are like kind of the shape of like Africa. And then I have these like, uh, circular butt pads, uh,
And they're that shape because they come, they go down the thigh right here and they go around towards the ass. And then I put like more ass on as well. And then you wear six pairs of tights over top to like compress them all. Six pairs. A lot of people can do like four pairs.
For me, what I found is like I do my six. I don't know if you ever looked at like a picture of like Beyonce. She's always wearing like a fishnet stocking. And then I do another layer over top. So the fishnet is to add like shadow. Are you sweating your balls off right now? Oh, yeah. I'm like constantly sweating. Yeah. I'm wearing like a hat of hair right now. It's like no heat. Oh, my God.
- It's not hot yet. - Yeah, it's so hot. So like the way that- - It's how the Kardashians feel. - Exactly. - Just at the same day. - Yeah, like I got here and was like, "Eh, I kind of have to pee." And I was like, "Eh, I can definitely hold it." As long as this is gonna take, it's gonna be more annoying to take it off.
So yeah, and like all the costumes are like itchy. There's like sequins and stuff. Like it's just like, so to get out of drag, like at the gig is my favorite. And then just like come on up and like have just like my bag of woman and just like be a full boy with like my no eyebrows, my like mullet and like look like a completely different person. I also like like getting out of drag and like,
walking like through the bar and not having to like deal with people that I don't want to deal with. Sometimes like I'll see people that know me and it's fine and it's lovely. But other times I'm like, if I want to just like beeline to the car picture. Yeah. I'm like, wait, no, I'm done. I'm tired. I'm hot. Like my makeup doesn't look as good as it did two hours ago. Right. So it's, it's nice to just like be a boy and sit at the bar sometimes and just chill or like beeline it to the car and not, and just like hold, hold Izzy in the bag. Yeah. Well,
Is he in the bag? Exactly. Which, by the way, before everyone comes for me and bitches me out because I've been referring to you as she, we spoke about it before. Yes. And your pronouns. He or she works with you. Yes. When I'm in drag, go with she, her, because gay people are gay people. Like, we're always like, this mic is she. It's like, oh, is she working? She's working. Okay, we're good. Can you move the table? Can you move her? Thank you. I'm like...
everybody knows me like every single person in my life like in like a significant sense really has met me within like the past like several years or they know me through drag so even my closest friends when I'm out of drag they call me Izzy um so yeah he him she her out of drag I don't care in drag do she her but yeah no I definitely identify as like a cis man that does drag so is it
Is it bad that I don't have my pronouns in my bio or I don't ask every single person I meet their pronouns? Should I start doing that? I don't think it's bad. I think by having your pronouns in your bio, particularly as like a person of influence, it's setting the precedent that it's like pronouns are a topic of conversation. Yes. So even if your pronouns are she, her, and you're like, I look like a cis woman, people would normally identify me as she, her. Mm-hmm.
Even if by your mind you're like, oh, there's probably not much confusion, it just kind of sets the precedent that have that conversation, have it open. If everybody has it, then it's not just for people that are outside of typical gender structures. Right. It draws attention to the bigger picture. Exactly. Yeah. So no, it's not bad, but if you want to put it in there, I say go for it. It's the future, baby. It is the fucking future, and I need to get with that. ♪
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We're going to do a Slut University. Okay. Slut University is where I teach everyone something, whether that's how to suck dick or how to deal with anxiety. I'm excited. All over the spectrum. Some people deal with anxiety by sucking dick. I do. Yeah. I threw up on a dick three weeks ago, by the way, and it was really fucking horrible. I threw up on the first dick I ever sucked. You did? Early. Yes! Deep throating.
Because we're fucking incredible. Exactly. Because we go for it. Yeah. Thank you. We're not going to talk about that. But we're like how you can throw up on a dick. I have heard some men like that. Extra lubrication. I'm just saying. But I'm so glad you're here because a lot of people can't wrap their brain around being transgender. Yeah.
And a drag queen. Okay. There's a difference. Absolutely. And a lot of people, would you agree with me, don't understand that. Yes, I completely agree. I want you to kind of break that down. So being a drag queen, I mean, in my sense, I'm a cis man. I live my life as a man and I dress like a lady for money.
I have my shows and I'm in full drag and the persona, the stage name, the character that I am. I mean, my personality is exactly the same in and out of drag, but Izzy Uncut is the face, is the brand. And then Kyle is the boy underneath it. So a lot of drag queens are cis men, but there's also a lot of drag queens that are
trans men that do female drag or trans men that do masculine drag. There's trans women that do female drag. So it's not a one size fits all. It's not that every drag queen is a cis man. But trans women are not always drag queens. You know what I mean? And so a trans woman is somebody that was most times the side male at birth and now identifies as a woman.
Right. But in my case, that is not the case. It's difficult because people see us all the same way and they kind of pigeonhole everybody into the same group. At the end of the day, you should be respecting everybody the exact same. It shouldn't matter. But just for educational purposes, everybody should know that like you see me walking down the street and I'm completely different than like seeing a trans woman walking down the street that lives her life like that every single day. Exactly. Yes. And I totally understand that. And yeah.
I know the answer to this next question, but I'm going to ask it anyways. Yes. Just to educate people. You have a university. Harder to get into than Harvard, by the way. We love. It really is. Is drag only for gay men? No. Thank you.
Thank you. Hard no on that. Thank you. A lot of people assume that it is. Yeah, no. It is not only for gay men. Like I was saying, there are... Like you said. There's cis women that do drag. One of my good friends that I started with, Miss Vicky DeVille, she is a cis woman. She does phenomenal drag. She does makeup better than me. She looks stunning all the time. She does a lot of Christina impersonation. And people are oftentimes shocked when they hear that there is women that were assigned female at birth.
like doing the art of drag and they're like, what's the point? What's the transformation? And I was like, if you look at her on the street, like in her everyday and you look at her doing drag, it's like, there's more of a transformation than a lot of like men that go to women. Okay. So I could do drag if I wanted to, not saying that I would be good at it, but I can, if I want.
Absolutely. Yes. Anyone. Absolutely. Like if I were to put you in drag and like I did the, I did the brows, I did the whole thing. I put you in like an elaborate costume and you were performing like you were performing drag. Cause everybody thinks that like drag is just female illusion, but I'm not like, I'm not going for realness. Like me, like me crossing the street, like here to WTF studios, like nobody was thinking like, Oh, like she's trying to look like that woman, like in yoga pants right
now right right right so like drag is such its own thing that it really is for anybody right my shirt just fucking unbuttoned because my boobs are so big they're so fucking big laughing
Literally, my nipple just came out. I'm not kidding. You're a huge natural. It's a huge natural. Oh, my God. I could talk to you for seven more hours. We need to wrap this up. I'm going to ask one last question for real this time. All right. We talked about makeup, the wig. Yes. It spilled. Do the Kardashians wear a wig? Oh, absolutely. All of them, right? They all do. Yeah.
What? I mean, how long is the process of putting on a wig? Because for some reason, I think it would be easier to put on than to style my hair every day. It kind of would be. It'd be more annoying. But yeah, basically, you take all your hair. If you have long hair like you, you have to...
basically pin it up in like almost like a circular pattern to spread it all out. Because if you were just put it in a ponytail and put it at the back, you would have like a giant just like bump in the back of your head. So you basically have to kind of like move it around in a way where all your hair is dispersed across your entire head. You put the wig cap on and then you just pop the wig on. The Kardashians have amazing wigs. How much do you think their wigs cost? I have a friend that makes a few of their wigs and they're in the, they're usually around like
Like $2,000 to like $7,000 range. Stop. Yeah. A friend, not even, I mean, we're not like besties by any means, but somebody I knew through cheerleading. Okay, name dropping. Yes. It's somebody I knew through cheerleading. You might know them too. Who knows? He was an all-star cheerleader. He makes great wigs. But yeah, he makes a few for the Kardashians. And they're not even trying to hide that. They absolutely wear wigs like a lot of times. Yes. And do they...
I thought about getting one for the longest time and then I saw how expensive they were. But then I was thinking about how healthy my fucking hair would get if I just wore a wig every day and I wasn't doing shit to it. But you are fucking incredible. I'm definitely going to have you back on. Where can they find you, Izzy?
You can find me on all platforms at Izzy Uncut. It's I-Z-Z-Y, exactly how they spell it in the Bible. And then Uncut, just like uniqueness, nerve, charisma, uniqueness, talent. Oh, f***ing God. You can tell I say that on my shows like all the time. You know what I mean? You could have fooled me actually. I was like, how is she like thinking? I just came up with that. Oh my God. I got the mind of a mastermind. You are. You are.
so happy thank you so much for coming on as always you guys can find me Sophia with an F Franklin with a Y on all my social media platforms except on TikTok there's a number zero at the end but it might be what do we say it's gonna be Lucy vagina what's your Lucy Vanina Lucy Vanina yes I might change it to that but we'll see I love you guys so much thank you for coming on talk to you next week bye
