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Hi, everybody. I am joined by Lauren and Michael Bostic. We are up at the Montage Resort in Park City. Some rich bitch shit.
You guys were just in Austin and now you're in Utah. What are you guys up to? Like road tripping in a camper van? Like what's the deal? No road tripping. No road tripping. We were living in LA and COVID obviously happened and we just, and I got pregnant and I just started reevaluating what I wanted out of life. And for me, my most important thing I've realized, you got to have peace of mind. So we decided to move to Austin. We bailed the fuck out of LA. Bailed out. Whoa.
Okay, I missed that entire fucking thing. So what about LA made you want to leave and start in Austin? So...
First of all, my daughter, I can't even go like outside and take her for a walk where we live. It's just too wild to walk outside. So what do you mean by that? Like people go up to you or it's just like too much commotion. I have had multiple times people come up to you. Right. And it's scary sometimes. I mean, there's a woman that was walking her baby and someone pushed her into a bus.
Yeah. What the fuck? In addition to that, there's no policing of anything. And so it just kind of became a mess. Right. And also the whole city was locked down, similar to New York. And we were just like, where do we want to raise our kid? And also, you guys probably don't feel like this because you're in Utah, but there's something very therapeutic about being surrounded by nature. Yes. And LA is not that.
And I don't know when you said, you know, you love New York. Like New York is very opposite of this. The nature aspect is like really nice. It is. It is. It makes a huge difference, which I didn't realize until six months ago. Like going for a hike, going outside, fresh air, like holy shit. Who knew? It's so therapeutic. So I completely agree with you. And I think it's hard to,
to know in places like LA and New York, you can't just go grab dinner and not give a fuck. It's you got to look cute. You got to look hot. You know, like you might run into somebody. That's a lot of fucking pressure. It's a lot of pressure. That's totally it's so much pressure. Austin is very laid back. Yeah, I almost feel like I have the best of both worlds because we go back to LA all the time for work. So we have, you know, that scene and then we can go to Austin and I can just
just like let my rolls hang over my pants my tits hang out no bra like walking down the street like I love that like yes the ugliest you guys are the hottest couple I've ever seen thank you so they're lying when they're saying that shit how many people have approached you guys to do a threesome I need to know some have um there if
I'm going to let you answer first and then I'll say it. They slide into the DMs, but they go through Lauren because it's inappropriate to probably go through. Which is respectful. Exactly. If they were going through me, it'd be weird. Yeah. I totally agree. I would be open, I've told Michael this before, to doing a threesome if it was away from all this. Like if we were in Amsterdam and you can like... Michael's shaking his head. I don't think you'd handle it. We had a close call. We had a close call. A real close call. Like real close.
real close like like the dick grazed her vagina it was a close call it was a pretty close call but you know i'm glad it didn't happen because not not that i'm against threesomes but i don't i don't want to hear hey you did this or you touched this way or you gave too much i don't want to fucking deal with it so one time i asked him i'm like what if i just hooked up with the girl and you watched like beating your meat in the corner right and he was like that's not fair no
No, no, no. I didn't see that. That's just not my thing either. Like, that feels weird. Like, I'm just in the corner just like jerking. Michael, beggars can't be choosers, okay? Like, you didn't sit in the corner. We're going to have a threesome once in our relationship. You know, we almost had one in seventh grade too. Yeah, I was pushing for it then. Now I'm a little bit more like, okay. He's a little
more pragmatic, which is kind of boring. It's like a little too consistent. No, because I just, I know it's not going to end well for me. It's going to end well. It's fine if we don't know the person and it's some random girl. No, she's never done this before. And I don't know if you can handle it. You know what? I think that after doing it, you can feel differently than obviously like going into it. I will say, however, like when I get married,
20 years into the marriage, I might be bored as fuck. And I might be like, let's have a threesome. Let's go. Let's spice it up. That's what I said. And he's scared because he thinks I'm going to go psycho. No, because here's what happened in our close call. You did go psycho the next day and it didn't even happen. It just almost happened. Yeah, but no, hold on. I went psycho because I wanted to like stir the pot to have hot sex. And that you have said that was the hottest sex we've ever had.
The day after that happened. But that was after all that was after you. You literally talk about that day all the time. No, because that was after you got all your aggression out on me because of the stuff that happened before. So let's have another close call to have aggressive, great sex. Wow. That is such a good fucking point is the sex when it's like, was it angry sex? It was angry, like amazing, like fluid everywhere. Yeah.
Wait, I need to know why the threesome was stopped. The threesome was stopped for multiple reasons. He couldn't get hard. No. Oh, he was hard. Wait, him and I still hooked up. That was part of the problem is that maybe I was a little too excited. The girl was in the bed. Okay. So the girl was in the bed, but things had transpired before that to get us in the bed. And everyone was naked and Michael and...
Poking her with his bowler? This sounds very creepy. No, no, no. We were all in the bed. I was like, listen, I'm done with this. I'm going to bed. I went to bed and then she woke me up in the middle of the night and I was like, okay. And so then everyone started stirring around. The girl's kind of like half awake. And then I started hooking up with her
And then the girl was kind of into it. And then we were just drunk. And then I saw her like she was it was not going like I saw her either. Like this is not going to go well. OK, this is a test, bitch. You're like, I fucking love this. The girl was into it. Everyone was into it. And then I realized halfway through, I'm like, this is a fucking test. And if I make a move, then I'm going to fail the test. I'm being a lot of trouble. And then and then I didn't even go through the next day.
You were pissed off all day. I was pissed, but I was really hungover and... You know what? I have done like multiple threesomes with this specific... With boyfriends? Yes. One of the threesomes, he fucked my best friend.
I don't think I ever forgave him for that. I can't deal with that. Honestly. Another time, we would like consistently hook up with this one girl and she was so cool and I was totally fine with it. And one day I saw that they were texting separately and we had a group text thread. And when I saw that, I was like, no. Let me tell you something that I've observed about men and threesomes. And this is the problem.
You can have a threesome like you're saying that's easy and fun and like it's cool. But the man then thinks it's OK to open up other doors. Yep. I've heard that. And that's the problem. So if you say it's OK to touch, put your dick, whatever, in another girl when I'm around, it's fine. But then what ends up happening is the husband starts to think, well, I can go to a strip club and fuck strippers in the back and I can whatever. And it starts to spiral on. And it normalizes it.
Yes. It's like, I'm fucking another pussy. Like, is it that bad if I do it without her there? Yeah. Yeah. I agree with that. There needs to be the trust, obviously unwavering, and there needs to be so many boundaries and it needs to be done so respectfully. I 100% agree. I don't want to deter people from doing them, but...
If you're dating my ex-boyfriend and he's texting her separately or one time, I'm sorry. I just like want to go off because now I'm like getting upset thinking about the shit this guy did. We had a threesome and that morning we were going to drive her home. She sat in the front seat and I sat in the back. Oh my God, that's awesome.
That's worse than if I would rather you stay on this side. This is what I'm saying is you can't like, I can control this, right? Like we can, I can control what's going on here, but you got a third person or fourth person. Michael's very logical. Like he's very much one to be like, okay, if I do this, this is going to happen, which can sometimes, like I said, be a little at this point in my life.
married with a kid and it's like I think about I just don't want to manage another individual's feelings they want to sit in the front seat I don't know you guys would need to like hire an escort I think honestly I think that's the way to do it yeah real so I'm so glad I'm not down I have a question for you so how did you did you broach the subject of a threesome to your ex or did he broach it to you oh that's a really good question I
I want to say it was just together, like in tandem. Like I think we both just like brought it up and like what we think is hot. Because to be honest, Lauren, I have hooked up with girls one-on-one before.
I wouldn't label myself as bisexual. You know, I don't really... When I look for a life partner, I look for a man. However, I've been attracted to girls 100%. So I can't remember who brought it up first, but it was a mutual thing. So let me ask you this. Would you ever do it with two guys?
Because I'm 100% like I would only do it with a girl and a guy. I don't think I could do two holes at once. I think that's too much. Oh, the DP. Yeah. Okay. Like, I don't think I could do it. Well, this is good to know. It sounds like too much. No, it's just like too much masculine penis.
You know, it's not porn I look up. I'm not like, oh my God, I want to look up DP porn. I think, you know, if it's Javier Bardem and fucking Harry Styles, I'd be like, you know, assholes available. Listen, if it's Javier Bardem and Harry Styles, I'm ready. And maybe if it's like Charlie Hunnam and you. Then you would be down. I have to include you. Like, I would be down. Maybe.
Maybe, maybe with Michael, could you, have you ever done that with another guy? No, no, I don't. I think that time has passed now for me. Yeah. Um, but no, that's not like, that's not what I look up either. Right. If I'm looking at porn, it's not, it's not two dudes. What kind of porn are you looking at? Um,
I just guys, I don't think guys are, I mean, Taylor, our producer, he like has a whole like very specific. No, this is deflecting the question. No, I don't do that. Yeah, let's get to the answer. Listen, I go for efficiency now. I pop up the page. I see the most popular what's going on. I browse around quickly. Get the deed done. So you don't have like a specific type of porn? No, and I don't. Lauren, is he lying? I swear I'm not lying. No, it's not specific. I feel like when we watch porn, it's two girls and a guy.
Or, I mean, I'm not like, I think it's not too. Yeah, it's like normal stuff. I mean, whatever's on the popular page, it's like I go through there. Yeah. I don't have a lot of time to waste and, you know. Right. I get that. He's beating his meat in the shower before the baby wakes up. No, I get that. I have to go in like a bandit these days because I'm like, I don't know when she's coming in. I don't know where the baby is. I don't know where the nanny is. I don't know who's popping in. I would love, love, love, love, love to walk in on it.
Him jacking off. You never have. Never. Oh my God. You must have that down to a science. I'll tell you what it is. I'll tell you what it is. Lauren walks.
Like she is the loudest walker I have ever heard. Oh, good to know. I'm going to walk like Sambalina after this. You would think Bigfoot was in the forest walking around the way she walks. I can hear you coming from a mile away. So I don't worry about it at all. Like, okay, I can hear you so far that I can actually finish off and then you get in the house. I can hear you across Hollywood. I'm going to be tiptoeing around the house now.
Even your tiptoe is like a loud stomp. This is like therapy. This is good. Well, this is good. You guys are like getting it out. That's good. What porn, Lauren, do you like to watch? I like girls. Me too. I don't like to watch. I don't. Listen, I have enough penis with my husband. Right. Well, that's good. No.
I do. And I always say like the shorter guys have the bigger dicks always in my experience. I'm 5'10". I'm not. My guy's 5'10", too. 5'10 is a great penis size. I've dated like perpetual 5'10s across the board. Really? Yeah, they're great. I love it. I think it's so annoying when girls are like six foot and above.
Excuse me? Is that more important than the dick? No. There's nothing worse than six foot and above and then it's a micro. Oh my God. I know. Our heart goes home to those. Okay. So you guys have known each other since the sixth grade? Sixth grade.
Okay. Were you guys together like from day one or how has that worked? So I, I looked like this in sixth grade. Like I had huge boobs and I was five, seven in sixth grade. You were fucking hot. I thought she was a teacher. The style was not how it is now for 12 year olds. You know what I mean? You were every TikTok hot girl. No, no, no. So Michael though was like four one. I was 12 years old. Okay.
I was literally a young boy. And Lauren was like, I know his dick is going to be big. I did know. When he's older. I remember I looked over and I was like, oh my God, look at that new teeth. Like I thought she was the teacher because she was fully developed. And I was like. Oh, really? Fully developed. You were a year older in our grade. Yeah. I like got held back a grade. Okay. That's like your favorite thing to bring up.
Because I think like, you know, you were like, what, 13? I was 12. I was 13. He was 12. So then we went on a date and it was like history. We were so much sexual energy. It was like making out in movie theaters, like tennis courts, blowjobs, tennis courts. Blowjob at the tennis court. It really escalated. During the football game, him asking me if I'm scared of the one-eyed snake. I didn't know that was true. I'm not.
I've never fucking heard that. That is hilarious. I was a boy. I was 12 years, literally 12 years old. Okay. So you guys chemistry at 12 years old. Very much sexual chemistry. And then would you guys like date other people? Because now you're married and you're how old are you, Lauren? I'm 34. Okay. Michael's 34. We separated. So we weren't together in high school. We weren't together in college. We were living in different places. Oh, wow. No, no, no. You missed a part. I did. In seventh grade.
I used to ditch school and I would have Michael over and we would just like rip each other's clothes off. And one day my dad came home early. Oh, so I pushed Michael in the closet and his Superman boxers like shoved him in because he's for one like perfect, like little shove. You're like, get in the cabinet. You're so tiny. Little man in the cupboard. Yeah.
The best thing about those Superman boxers is remember they had the slit on the top? Because of the broom closet. Remember they had the slit on the top so you could just reach down. Yeah, those were good boxers. You should get those. You just reach down and grab it. Okay, so we were hooking up and my dad comes home and I'm an idiot who got held back a grade and I get in the closet with him. I should have just like stayed in shape. Yeah, wait, what? I know. It wasn't my smarts. It was devastating because... Did he openly
opened the door and you guys were like naked and he was you know those closet but they have the little slits and you can like see her little sister was like five years old and was like thinking she was playing hide and seek she was looking out of the bed and I'm sitting there in my boxers 12 years old huge man come in her dad and
And he opens the door. He's like, Lauren? She's like, tits out. No. What did you do? Were you covering your dick? Were you covering her boobs? What kind of man are you? I was just like. He wasn't doing shit. He was scared for himself. I was like, fuck. And I, we got, her dad threw me in the car, drove us down to like the local shopping center. I was like putting my clothes on in the car. No fucking way. And then that was back when they had pay phones.
So I had to call her dad was screaming at us. And then I called my dad on the paper and I'm like, man, I'm in a lot of trouble. Here's what happened. And I just was waiting for like fatherly advice. And all I heard was just deep bellowing laughter. He was just like laughing his face off. Well, that's good though. It was good. It was fine for me, but her parents freaked out. Oh my God. I'm sure they freaked the fuck out. They freaked the fuck out. We ended up dating like a year longer and then we broke up and I went for older guys. Oh my God.
That's my favorite thing to do. Everyone has this story. You go for the older guys. Yes. And then he was like obsessed. Wait, I was about to say this. With your what? Mouth. Blowjob? Yeah, he was like, I don't know. What was it? Because someone said the other day, they're like, you must have given a mean blowjob in sixth grade for him to chase you until you were 24. Yeah, I mean, she does give a mean blowjob. That's for sure.
We're going to have to like talk about that. I have a lot of tips. I'm just so interested that you guys met in sixth grade and now you're married. Like the persistence, Michael, to get her to marry you. When I know what I want, I tend to.
I can see that. Absolutely. It was, it was, he was so intense and he was like always texting and pursuing me. Well, the problem is I had all these other, like, I guess I call them like relationships now, but they, I knew relationships, but they, they were very surface for me. And I feel bad about some of those past relationships. Cause I never like got,
I was never into any of them. Because you were thinking about Lauren. It's just because I never felt about anyone the way I felt about Lauren. So like I would have these girlfriends and these flings and these things and like, you know, hookups and whatever, but I would just never get there. And I would tell people like, Hey, this is nothing. And that actually probably makes it worse. Right. When you tell someone like, it's not a thing. Michael went to U of A.
okay so like you had an std or two in the past i'm squeaky clean all right how many now you are yeah i am like i'm clean as a whistle all the time micro chlamydia bostic no i'm just kidding but yeah no i had some i had some times you have had chlamydia no he has not well actually i don't know how to he has not had any does it hurt no it doesn't hurt and how'd you know you had it
You know, it's the craziest thing. I started spotting like bright red blood when I didn't have my period. And that was kind of weird. But I was also the type of bitch where...
I would have so much unprotected sex and then have a panic attack right after and like be at Planned Parenthood. Like that was my thing. Now that you're in a relationship, you can have unprotected sex all you want. Of course. Yes. Okay. So when you got chlamydia, are you getting it from a boyfriend or are you getting it from someone that you're just fucking for one night? I think I was fucking like...
two guys that is that is kind of fun though because then you can pin them against each other that's exactly what i did i said when's the last time you got tested to one of the guys knowing the other one gave it to me and he was like i don't know like it's been a few months he also went to usd so i'm sure he was doing plenty of fucking himself but i knew it wasn't him but i made him believe it was
Oh, that's a little manipulation. Right? Yeah. If I ever got one, I would like, it'd be so much fun to be like, where'd I get this? It would be dice. I mean, if you got it now or I got it now, it'd be real dicey. That would cause some problems. For some reason, I don't feel and I could be totally wrong when we were in college that STDs were everywhere.
Like they are now. I feel like maybe they're a little bit more rampant now, right? I don't know. Or maybe we're just hearing about it because the internet and people are more open. I don't know. Because I don't remember a lot of my friends dealing with STDs. And my friends had sex with a lot of guys. You know what? I think it's just people being more open, to be honest. I'm so happy about that, though. I think that's what it is. Me too. Thank God. We didn't even... I mean, this kind of fucked up, but I never even thought about that stuff back then. But...
But you should be like you are on the forefront of making people more comfortable. Like you have opened doors for people to embrace their sexuality no matter what it is. Right. You should feel good about that. It's sex. We need to stop talking about it like it's this dirty thing you can get. And you know what, guys, we're calling it STDs, STIs. Excuse me, everyone. STIs. What's the difference?
it's not i think they don't want to call them a disease okay infection okay so so it's not as a like a big of a deal i think it's more just like uh you know from a technical standpoint like it's not a disease whatever the fucking medical definition would be it's a infection okay you know what i mean stis got it
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You guys are a total power couple. You're like George and Amal Clooney. You guys work together. You're married. You are with each other 24-7, I'm assuming. Well, I think no. Yes. No, no, no. Now, right now, because of COVID, we're with each other more because we're at home with the baby and everything. But before that, I think people... It's a lot. They see Lauren and I do the show together and they see us on the platforms, but...
During the normal course of business, she's doing her thing, The Skinny Confidential, and I'm running Dear Media. So we're completely separate most of the time. But obviously during COVID, we're in a house. The only thing we do together is we do the podcast together. Really? That's it. Yeah. Okay. He helps me with strategy, definitely, at the end of the night. But he's working on his own shit with Dear Media. We have separate teams, separate companies, separate entities. We just do the podcast together. Oh, wow. Okay. And we fight...
so gnarly when we do the podcast together. So it's not, I don't want anyone to think it's easy to work with your significant other. It's not. Right. That's something I wanted to talk about. So like, what are you guys fighting about? I mean, what are you not fighting about? I feel like if I did a podcast with my boyfriend, I would be like,
Fuck off. Like I would just get so annoyed all the time. It's gnarly. We have to release the like, he's very organized and like anal and wants things done a certain way. Whereas I'm easygoing and like, Oh, it'll happen when it happens. I have no time management. Right. So when he wants to do something like for doing an ad or we're doing an intro, he wants to do it this way. And he's like, right up his ass.
And I'm not like that. So there has been one time I threw the whole table at him. Shut the fuck up. Our producer has so much shit and blackmail. If we end the show, I got to go bury this guy in the desert. We've known him since we were 12 years old. And he has been with me on everything I've ever done. So he's just like, he knows where all the bodies are buried. You should have him on the show to talk all about his journey with edging.
Oh, my God. He was a one-minute man. He came on our show and talked for like three hours about how he learned to control himself. From edging. Yes, edging. Guys, edging, by the way, it's when you...
I mean, you don't have to masturbate, but it's when you're getting sexually aroused and you just won't let yourself come. Like the second you're going to come, you stop. Is that right? Yeah. I think he was doing it alone without girls. So he could practice. Well, he was doing it so that he could last longer with women. Do you edge? I don't edge. Why? Not at all. He doesn't have time. He's like, I,
I just heard Lauren's shoes. Like I need to hurry and come in this fucking towel right now. When she's drinking and you're just like, I got, I'm just like, go, go, go. The worst is when you're drinking and you have to go and go and have sex. Poor you that you can't come in too many. Go, go, go. I can't come when I've had a drink. You got it with a vibrator. Yeah.
Okay. I got to have a vibrator. I think it depends like how many drinks, you know what I mean? I gave you a vibrator in there that I used last night. You did? Yeah. It's the best vibrator. It's this is why it's the best. It's covered in like a toothbrush case for a vibrator because you know how if you bring a vibrator to a hotel and then the maid like sees it out from the night before with like crust on it. Oh, Jesus.
A snail trail. It's like snail trailing everywhere in the maze. Like what is this? So this has like a cover on it. I love that. And you can bring it and use it. You have to have a vibrator when you're drinking or it doesn't work. Yeah. I think, you know, if I'm like one or two drinks, it's fine. If I hit like a third drink, I'm not coming. For me personally. Have you ever tried it with a vibrator? I'm sure you have when you're having sex.
I'm sure I have. Yeah. When you're drunk and it doesn't work. Not if I'm in my third or fourth drink. No. I mean, our sex life, I don't know if it's as spicy as other guests that you've had on because we're married. Well, I want to talk about that. You guys are married. You have a baby.
When the fuck do you guys have time to have sex? Apparently you don't have time because Michael is like going in the closet and busting one out. I mean, we have to be strategic. Last night we got some men. Last night you like, I literally put on the calendar last night and sent it to him. That says connect with wife. Oh,
I was going to ask you that. Do you guys schedule sex? Sometimes you have to get it in. It's not like we schedule sex, but we'll just schedule time now where we're like, okay, there's no kid around. There's no man. There's no people like we're together. You know what I mean? We've been married for four years. We've been together for like 14 years. Right. Wow. 21, 13 years. Yeah. Yeah. A long time. So we work at it though. You do have to work at it. It's not. And when you're pregnant, it's not.
For me, I felt so unsexy and that's a real mindfuck. I think I'd be the same way and I really want you to elaborate. Is it just the belly? No. Oh, no. My ass was huge. Wait, I'm
I feel like Michael, did you hate that? I feel like you kind of would like it. Well, I liked it. There were stages. It was a diaper butt. Tell the real truth. He was uncomfortable having sex because I had a daughter in my stomach. Okay. There's stages. So when I say like, sometimes you're like, it's really hot. And then you're like, oh, your wife's pregnant with your child. And I think if you're a man and you have somebody that has your child, like in a weird way, you get like even more attracted. It must be like an evolutionary genetic thing. More attracted to them? More attracted to them. Oh, okay. Interesting. But then there's these other stages where like,
Like eight, nine months. No, you go and see like an ultrasound and you're like, oh, the baby's head's right here. And it's like kicking. Oh, it's a girl. And it's like moving around. And then like things are moving. And I'm like, I'm like, I don't want to be back there like thrashing around. When he had sex with me when I was pregnant, it was like a thimble. He would like stick it in, stick it in. I'm like, can you like pound me? Like what is this? And I don't need a fucking pinky at my feet right now.
I used to think that it was hitting the baby's head. I was about to ask that. You're like, I don't need my daughter like sucking my own dick. That was the worst. That was the most fucked up joke I've ever made. But like, but that's the kind of, I didn't know. And I'll be better the second time around. Hopefully. You got to be better. You got to be more mature. That's immature. Like get over it. That shit goes to your head. You're like, what, like what, what am I doing back there? Is that like, am I touching something the wrong way? I totally understand that. Everything was fine. And you just felt unsexy. Yeah.
Oh, beyond. Here's the part no one tells you about. Oh, my God. This is the part no one tells you about. So, yeah, you feel for me. This is my journey. Some people gain two pounds and like it's fine. For me, I gained 55. I thought, oh, I'm going to like have the baby and feel back to normal. You have the baby. And for me, the weight didn't fall off. It's still not off. It's been a year.
So you feel you're depressed, anxious from postpartum. You feel so unsexy. It's the most unsexy I've ever felt in my life. And you have a crying baby to take care of. Wow. It's a lot. It's a lot.
It's the postpartum parts a lot. So you had postpartum depression. Horrible. Wow. I, you know, I think about that a lot because so many women get it. Have you been open about talking about that? Yeah. I did three things to get my postpartum depression under control. I got my hormones checked.
And my thyroid. And just by like leveling that out, I lost 30 pounds. So I would definitely recommend if you're feeling like shit postpartum or in general, if you just feel fatigued, get your hormones and thyroid checked. What a great point. The thyroid has changed my life. I used to sleep during the day. Like I would take a nap. I'm like, I feel like I'm
On Haterall without a comedown because my thyroid's like functioning now. Okay. And then the other thing I did is I microdosed mushrooms for three
Oh, three times in a row. I would say that helped 90%. No fucking way. I cannot. If I went into it with like the intention of, okay, why am I feeling like this? What needs to like be brought up? And it helped me have so much clarity. Obviously I'm not like telling people to go do this. I'm saying, no, but this is so interesting. So much. How would you like weigh it out on a scale? Had you done shrooms before? Yeah, I had, but I hadn't, uh,
I didn't realize how important it is if you're going to do it to go in with an intention. And then there's also like a bunch of little things that helped. I don't think looking at your phone when you're on it is like productive at all.
I think you should be out in nature. And like my phone was put away for 10 hours. Right. No phone. When you're actually doing shrooms though, but when you're micro dosing, you don't feel, you know, like the visual effects, like you don't feel high, correct? It was chocolate. It was a micro dose. Yeah. But it was a heavy micro dose. Yeah. It was a heavy micro dose. Okay. My favorite thing too, like any tips for girls out there is when you're on mushrooms, chop your significant other in a room.
I locked the room. Oh, my God. Blackened it out and was like, it's time to have a talk. When you guys were both shrooming. Wouldn't let him leave the room. Shut the fuck up. And I got like all everything I needed in like my box that I have. And then I just was like, oh, that was therapeutic. And he was like dead. I sucked everything. You are my idol. See, I'm too neurotic to take drugs like that.
I can't. No. Shrooms, acid. I can't smoke weed. Have you ever tried microdosing? No. That was a lie. I tried shrooms for the first time July last year. Okay. They were liquid shrooms and I don't know if I really felt them. Everything was hilarious. There wasn't any like visual thing happening though. So what I would tell you because of what you've been through. Don't do shrooms right now. No, I would tell you too. Your body is...
Really? And I would say this like off air as a friend, your body is holding on to energy that you need to like release. And I'm not a doctor. Michael gets mad when I speak on this. We just had somebody on the show to talk about it. He likes the expert angle. But I think if you went into it with the intention of I want to release certain energy and I want to figure out like why this was so upsetting and this and that and you were in nature with no phone, I feel like it would help you so much. But I can't even smoke weed.
I don't, I am not a big weed smoker. I like a weed mint at night. I don't partake in any synthetic or, and I also don't smoke weed or anything, but Michael's never done like cocaine, nothing. Really? But I'm already enough as it is. I can't, I don't need anything else to like get me going, you know? Again, this is like,
not medical advice, but microdosing shrooms in the right setting in the right way with the right intention can be therapeutic and help you get through things, especially if you're holding on to trauma. I would never ever do it too with anyone I was uncomfortable around. Like you have to be, it's the people I did it with was like my best guy friend and my sister and my husband. Like it has to, you have to be so comfortable, but I think people are going to start to realize and they already are that it's such a therapy if it's done right. I,
I totally agree with that. I think it absolutely can be. Have you ever done like ayahuasca? No, but I'm very, very called to that. Yeah. I'm very called to that. She has a lot of trauma in her life, right? Right. I would love to do ayahuasca. I...
Would love to like dive into the trauma just a little bit. We can like get super personal. You and your sister have been very open about her substance abuse issue, right? Your sister was addicted to heroin. My sister. So my mom passed away when I was 18 and my sister was 13 from suicide. Okay. And so I was more equipped to dealing with something like that. The difference between 13
13 and 18 is huge. Huge. And she wasn't. And I even remember after my mom passed away, my sister went right back to school on Monday, whereas I took two weeks off. Like she processed it different. Of course. And so she started using, she started with pills, which is very normal in high school. And it just became this whole addiction to speedball. So she would do meth and heroin. And it was, it was so bad that
I would say she was like a week away from dying. It was wow. And the toll that an addict takes on the family is like, I mean, I have stories that are so traumatic, so traumatic, the things that happened to the family. Right. And I really do think it took years off my dad's life. Yeah. So then there's like resentment towards the addict. And there's all these dynamics that aren't talked about enough. It's a really interesting thing to think about because it's
empathy for the addict, but resentment towards the addict. And there's a lot of trauma that comes with it. So I just want to say that. Then they make amends to you and you're supposed to just move on. And you can't.
But there's pieces to still be picked up. And then there's behaviors like maybe that... The thing is, is when you start using drugs at 13 years old, you almost are still 13 when you come out of the drug. Do you know what I'm saying? Drug addiction is...
It's serious. And I've heard I was talking to someone. I was just telling you guys about the makeup artists. And he was telling me that Utah has a lot of addiction, but it's like secret painkillers mostly. But why? It's so interesting to me how it's such a secret, though. Like you can't like you're almost shamed. Yeah. I think you said that, too, on your podcast with Indie.
She's another one that I wouldn't... I mean, Utah is gorgeous and amazing and the people here are so lovely, but she's another one that...
I think it's probably hard to be, I don't want to say the black sheep, but you guys are going against the stream. I think it's amazing. I mean, I think like you're very much like the Howard Stern of, Oh, I'm sorry. Can you see that again? And like louder in the mind, the Howard Stern of podcasting, but a girl. And I think he's such a good example of someone that everyone told him to shut the fuck up. And now he's,
Yeah. Look what he's built. Right. That. Oh my God. I like want to start having the last laugh. Thank you. Because you're not conforming to what everyone else is doing. You're doing something different.
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Well, because... So Lauren and I started doing the podcast together as like a side thing. Five years ago. Five years ago. We were drunk in Cabo off margaritas and my brand was like primarily me. But I could tell people were wanting more masculine energy. Interesting. And people were interested in him because I got the worst jaw surgery. I'll show you a pic that you've ever seen. Lauren, I've seen the pic. There's like... It's insane. It's so swollen. So I... You know, as a creator, I...
I was like, I'm turning the camera. I had an identity crisis for like three years. So I've just turned the camera on Michael. Well, what happened was she, and people started to like him. She had this blog and social and she was, and I was doing other, I just had other businesses and she was saying, okay, can you like start writing and doing stuff? And I'm not really like the most present person on social media and I'm not really right, but you can't shut me the fuck up. So I was like, okay, why don't we do a podcast together and we can, we can answer the questions and we can meet people and talk like,
do these, this type of thing. It's interesting. Right. Right. And so we started doing that and then self-produced it, then joined a network, had a bad experience with the network because it
It's fine. People can look up the network. It was just a bad, it was a bad experience because they just didn't understand the business. No, this is what they didn't understand. There's so many podcasters that are like influencers or bloggers that get on a mic and the downloads are like, just not there. Right. There's, there's, there's certain people that can, it's a very, it's a very specific sweet spot.
Yes. So he's interested more in like building the whole brand. Like people will come to me all the time and say, hey, can you take my podcast and sell the ad inventory? And like, yes, I can, but I don't because I just think that's not interesting. Like I want to know what the brand looks like four or five years down the line. Is there a product line? Is there, is this going live? Is there something, is this turning into a television? Like that's what I'm interested in. I'm going to build a business out of it.
I think people just focusing singularly on podcast ad spots are missing a huge opportunity to do a lot more. Right. I mean, Dear Media, that was such a fucking genius move. Thank you. I'm telling you, George and Amal Clooney. I'm fucking telling you. So...
I love that it's so female focused. I wanted to ask you, do you ever feel like people treat Lauren differently than they treat you like in business meetings or something like that? Sure. I mean, I think like this happens all the time, right? I mean...
we talk about this all the time in like venture world, like there should be more female focused companies getting funded. There should be more female entrepreneurs getting funded. Right. Right. There's a lot of men that have been making decisions in these places for a long time. And for me, my most powerful partners, not just in life, but in business have all been women.
Right. And so I'm like, okay, like to me, it's a no brainer. But at the same time, I also think with that, there's opportunity. Like something like Lauren has been able to build for a long time. People didn't take her very seriously. And I think she's been slowly able to build this massive brand that she's built because of that. I would say too, if you're a woman,
I have never walked into a meeting with men or a conference table with all men and dumbed myself down or given that energy. I walk in as an equal. And if they have the energy that I'm less than, that's their fucking problem, not mine. I always tell people you either go into like any interaction, like you're either equal or above. I
I was definitely one of those people that I thought everyone in this industry or like any industry in general were the smartest. Like they knew more than me. Like I'm, you know, like the small shrimp or whatever. What is it? The small shrimp, whatever the fuck it is.
And it's just as I get older that I'm starting to realize, no, bitch, like no one knows anything. No one knows really anything. You you may pretend out of everyone should not feel like that. I mean, we flew out to Utah to see me to see you specifically. And then we also booked other some housewives.
On the side. Their side, yeah. They came after. But like that should show you people totally take you seriously. Of course. Yeah. That's like just that narrative in your head. Just like switch the mindset. Yep. Yeah, I agree. You guys have had everyone on the show.
And I'm still new to this. So I want you guys to warn me. Are there any guests that you just straight up hated? Or do you have like any wild guest stories?
We have had a guest on that kept saying the same thing over and over and over and we didn't cut the episode so that we couldn't air that episode because it was making no sense. I mean, it gets crazy sometimes, but it's not like I don't think it's an environment where someone can be like rude or disrespectful. I will tell you the best guest in one of them was Caitlyn Jenner. And I'll tell you why. Oh.
There's so many people that come and you probably know this, that come into a podcast with a team of people. Like I've had people come in with like their makeup artists, their stylists, their like their whole team. And like, it's so self-important. Right. And Caitlyn Jenner, she came in and she was by herself. Shut up. And she was so...
um, down to earth and unaffected by fame. And then she proceeded to sit down for two and a half hours of her time and just storytell. And I think if you can, and I'm not saying this because of the followers of the Kardashians, if you can get on a mic and storytell, like you're good. Oh yeah. It doesn't matter how many followers you have. If you can storytell. So she was
incredible and so down to earth. I also think, but we don't get into that trouble because as soon as we interact with someone that's like a diva and they loop us in with 18 agents and managers, we kind of just like, nevermind, like we're over it. Okay. Like we've had people even recently like, okay, when we get back to LA to record and they start asking 50 questions and can this person come and can you cut this and do this and here's a brief what you can and can't ask. We're like, listen, fuck it, nevermind.
It's a fucking podcast. It's not that serious. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, so we just skip on that. I won't do a script. I think we get away. I won't do a script. No, absolutely not. We kind of like cut early before. Like if someone looks like they're going to be a nightmare, I'd rather just like, never mind. My husband is in Hollywood with Dear Media, but he's not a Hollywood guy.
And I think you got to be careful of the Hollywood guy. What is the Hollywood guy? It's a schmoozer who's looking. He's talking to you, but looking over your shoulder to see if someone's better behind you. It's a lily patter. How can I use you to get to her? This is going to get me in trouble. Hollywood is very transactional. Someone told me the best thing about Kris Jenner. They said that she has a lawyer in Arizona that only works for the Kardashians.
That's a big thing. Well, it's, it's genius because she doesn't have some hotshot lawyer in LA that wants Laker tickets to be put on Instagram. She found a random person in Arizona that doesn't want the, the Hollywood shit. Right. Yeah. I also think a big thing to look for too, whenever you're doing a business deal is ego. In what way? Like if you walk in a room and the man is so ego driven, like,
That's exhausting to have to like, like coddle the ego. Like there's nothing hotter than a man that is comfortable with confident, successful women. Yeah. So that's another thing I think just to look out for. Yeah. I think there's, you know, there's, I mean, there's certain things that, you know, an agent can say that right away. I'm like, Oh, this guy is scum. Tell us one thing. Like, Oh my God. Like he's going to make you famous. No.
You're like, bitch, I made myself famous. You know what? I've never had an agent say that, but, but you know what? A version of that over promising, you know, like, oh my God, like we're going to do this. And like, you're going to have a book deal and like, it will be a movie. And then you're going to be like famous, like saying anything major like that. And they're not talking strategically. They're talking like
you know what? You're going to be like a New York Times bestseller. Like I can just see it. I mean, that's like a debt giveaway. Yeah. I feel like you need the systems to get to that. Right. They need to help you refine the systems of, okay, like together we're going to put together a book proposal. Like that's more tangible that you could do like in two weeks. And I don't want to shit on all ages because there's a lot of good ones. There's a lot of really good ones. And I've had experience working with some good ones. I love my agent. But I've had experiences also with the other ones that are not so good.
So you guys have a relationship that I think a lot of people would be extremely envious of. Very good looking, you know, very successful, like on Instagram and things like that. You look like the perfect couple. I'm not saying that you guys are. I'm sure you have like your arguments, but
What advice do you have for someone looking for a partner? My biggest advice in life is do not settle. Do not settle because you think, oh, I need a boyfriend or I need a girlfriend or I need a wife. I would be dead single if it wasn't for Michael. I'd be doing my own thing.
I don't feel like I settled in my marriage. And after talking to so many women because of what I do, so many people have just settled because they think this is what they're supposed to do. And it's fucking wild. Well, I also think there's like a scarcity complex where women are raised to think,
There's not a lot of good men out there. They're either going to cheat or they're not hot. Like there's a scarcity thing. It's like women want to get married. Men don't. When you find one, like land him. I think that's like another reason why. A hundred percent. That's what we've been fed. A great book on this is Untamed by Glennon Doyle. You have to read this book. She talks about how we're told like as when we're little, like exactly what you just said.
And so it's about, again, going against all the fish are swimming, going against it and doing your own thing. I also think when you're in a relationship, if the person's constantly squashing you, then...
That's a huge red flag. Every single time I've come to my husband with an idea, he's always like, okay, that's a great idea or let's refine it. He's never pushed me down. And I've had some interesting ideas that he's supported. So I think that's important, but...
my number one, and then I'll let Michael answer is that you have to be pushing the same boulder up the same hill. There's so many couples that are pushing two different boulders up the same hill, or they're on two different hills, pushing up two different boulders. You got, it's a team effort. And I think that if you don't have that team like effort in your relationship, that's something that's, that's going to be hard to maintain down the road because when you have kids and businesses and all these things, you have to have a teammate, not just, I mean, I,
when we go out to dinner and when he comes home, like I want to be able to have an interesting conversation about all different things. So I think that it's really important to find someone where you're on the same page and committed to the same goals. Yeah. I mean, I think all of that, obviously like being committed to the same thing. I think a lot of people aren't committed to the same thing. You start a business together and like maybe one person's idea of the business is like, they're going to make a half a million bucks and like stop and go retire. And the other person's like, I need to build an empire. Like if you're not matched there, like that's a problem. And a good blow job.
I talked about this and making, making a good sandwich. You have to have good sex. I mean, honestly, you have, you have to, you have to have good sex. It's not going to work. I think that's really important. I also think another thing and tell me if I'm wrong is I,
You can act kind of psycho and Michael will put up with it. Yeah. Like he won't fight back. Well, to a degree. Okay. There's a line. Like what have I done that's too psycho? Lauren knows how to push right up against my line. I go right to the line. And like the toes like...
like the other night I talked about this on my podcast before but like one night I woke up in the middle of the night and I was like I don't want Instagram to be serving Michael anything that I don't want him looking at and I was bored this is what this is me and so no I searched Chihuahua fan page and I followed every single Chihuahua account that you could possibly follow off of his so that is so amazing now he follows a hundred Chihuahua accounts and all he gets served on Instagram is Chihuahuas so
So like you have to... You have to do like fun... You have to go but make it fun. And by the way, I want to say something. We do not have a perfect relationship. Of course. And I am not... And I hope I never make like the skinny confidential community feel like this. I am not someone who is posting pictures of us on the beach. You're not going to see us on the sand. You'll never see... Like we're not kissing...
If you look at my Instagram, he's not even on my page. It's mostly me trolling him and making fun of him on stories. So I don't try to showcase this perfect relationship. If you can't, as a man or a woman, be your exact self in a relationship, then you're in the wrong relationship. So like, I love Lauren the exact way she is. So when she trolls me, it's like, that's what I fell in love with, right? Like that's what I, like people are like, oh my God, how can you put up with that? Because like in their ideal relationship, it wouldn't work for them, but it works for us, right? And I also think that
when you're in a relationship like this, I stopped being able to only think about myself 10, 13 years ago. Like everything I do now, I have to think, okay, like how does that affect my wife? How does that affect my child? And like, again, if you're not doing that in a relationship, that's probably not a good sign either. Yeah. It's just like things. But some of the things that are wrong with our relationship, because I don't want like anyone to think that he is so annoying and type A and anal and panics like over shit that doesn't fucking matter. Like literally over,
the questions that you asked me before a trip. It's like, so I can't, I can't deal with it. Like coasters are his favorite thing. Oh, he's like, please put your cloth on. He is like, if we are going on a trip, he has his fucking notes app list of like my toothpaste with the mint in it. And like,
Zaza's like diapers for nighttime. He has everything so organized whereas I'm like packing five seconds before we get on the train. Me too. I'm in stock same way. I'm a mess. Right. I also think you don't want to like marry or be in a relationship with yourself. Lauren and I are completely different types of people. I'm going to remind you of that when we get in a screaming fight. You know what I mean? I never thought about that.
thought about the same type of person and they get together it's like you kind of don't have that like yin yang thing right you're just like it's like the same thing it's like a mirror of yourself all the time the last thing i will say too that i think is important you have to be able to be quiet with your partner so like we like on a sunday and saturday you're not very good at that one no like like we'll both read books in bed we're in the same area but like we're doing stuff that's our own thing if that makes sense yes yes i think that's important you have to be just be able to be quiet
And you also have to like the person. So many people don't like who they're with. This is the last thing. You know, you know, those men and women that you go to a dinner with them and they're in a relationship and like when they're not together, they're constantly complaining about the relationship they're in with that person. And then you have to go spend time with them. You're like, you've got, you've two fucking people hate each other. And now I have to be stuck with you. Yeah. Like,
if you're out and you're talking shit constantly about your spouse or significant other, like again, it's probably not a good sign. I agree. I think that, you know, people are always saying marriage is so hard. Um,
I'm not married and I'm sure it can be, but relationships should not be like the hardest thing. No. You know what I mean? Great advice. They shouldn't, they should be, they should be a comforting, secure place that you can go. It should not be. There's, there's for me, like my business is like so consuming. And if my relationship was, was so gnarly, like it's too much energy. Like, and then I'm a mom, it's too much. Yep. So it should be very, very, um,
peaceful. I agree. I would say it too. I like, I like how you're very, you're very consistent. Like I know what to expect. I know where he is. Like, I know what he's doing. Like he's very,
And I know where you are because these fucking footsteps are so goddamn loud. I'm boring. Boring in a good way. I love you. Okay, guys, you are both fucking hilarious. Thank you so much for coming on. Where can they find you? They can find me at Lauren Bostic and at The Skinny Confidential. I am launching products.
April 7th and it's going to be on at the skinny confidential. So definitely head over there. Ooh. Um, and then I guess just the podcast for me, I'm not really so present on social and then any, anything on dear media. Yeah. Okay. Thanks for having us and go listen to your episode. Yes, guys. I'm about to be on the skinny confidential. So you will find me there. Love you sleuths. Thank you so much.
