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Hi, everybody. Welcome to Sophia with an F. I am joined by some two very, very special people. Just say we some hoes. Not just...
probably the sluttiest bitches I've ever met. Really? Wheezy and Mandy. Wheezy and Mandy from Horrible Decisions. Hi, guys. Hi. What it do? How are you doing? You know, we're good. This white claw that you tried to give us, you could have brought Hennessy, bitch. Listen, what do we say? Mandy, Mandy is having a white claw for the second time in her life and she said the white claw for the white pod. For the white pod. I mean, it's
It's only fitting. I just want to tell you guys, Sophia just did our show and had water and someone goes, we've got some white clowns. She was like, yeah, please. I love the black cherry. Sure you do. I wanted to start first by saying, how did you guys start the podcast? Like, how did you meet and start the podcast? Maybe that's like a basic ass question, but I genuinely want to know. I know because you read the Vice article and you saw we fought. That's why. You just want to know.
started a podcast and y'all host fought. That's a good question. That's what it was. She read the Vice article. Okay, let me tell the story. So,
I had a boyfriend and Mandy, we broke up. Mandy started dating him. So she got mad. But shut up. So we're dating back to 15, by the way. Because remember, I didn't have a boyfriend as an adult. But what she didn't know is he was obviously acting as though we were still fine. And there was no Mandy. We went to Disney World together. That nigga was my boyfriend. Oh my God, bitch. He was not. Then why was he so?
fucking day. Bitch, he was at my house, met my mama. That was my boyfriend. He met my mama. She was mad. But here we go. The problem was this was back when like, what was it? AIM and AOL and Myspace. So bitch, yeah, I just let it be known like this was my nigga and I saw her page on Myspace. Anyways, she did a whole lot of talking over the AOL chat little thing. I didn't do a lot of talking, bitch. You did a lot of talking. You were doing a whole bunch of talking. Oh my God, there's like unresolved
conflict well no there's not because then we fought okay this is getting really good and we have a business and they threw her ponytail around in the club this is what's unfair she loves to hold this ponytail against me but let me explain something it was drawstring i was leaving the club easy to come off and i had seen mandy the whole night or whatever when i was leaving i felt someone pull my hair and my fucking ponytail comes loose we didn't even fight it's just when we fought we barely fought i thought
else there wasn't you because we were in a teen nightclub and it got rowdy. Yeah, it got really rowdy. The ponytail bounced around from person to person. And the DJ said to keep throwing it. Wait, that's dope. It was almost like those balls that are like in the pool, but it was her ponytail. So let me tell you what's the worst part. Nothing matters. Like, because it was so many people, like anything barely got to happen. But why it's so terrible is when you lose hair...
any moment in time it's happened to me too oh my god 100% with what clip ins oh yes but the tapes like I've had it happen with clip ins yeah it was clip ins but at least you still had something on I had a bun oh yeah but it was like this big but her butt was like a little baby butt it looked like a little mushroom on her head like a portobello you know what this is why I'm
wearing a wig right now. No, no, no. I lost the majority of the clip-ins that were in my head, so I had two little tiny strings of hair like this for like the entire fucking night. Dude, I will show you pictures of my extensions and you will never talk to me again. Wait, wait, you stayed out even though all your charts got pulled out? Hell yeah. See, that's the white people shit. You go home? Bitch, if my hair is out,
No. See, this is why a lot of like this is that is white girl shit. Because they're like, fuck it. Absolutely not, bitch. Get me in the car. So anyway, that whole thing happens. I believe it was Mandy who reached out like months or like a year later. And we ended up talking on the phone for hours, realizing that he was manipulating both of us. And of course, like in true feminist fashion. And I broke up with his ass anyway. I love that. He really was, you know, he was. We look back at it and I was like, this is a wee bit.
So we became friends like from like 15 to like 20, had a falling out and we both moved to New York and ended up having dinner together. And this was probably my drunk white girl shit. I was like, oh my God, we're so fun. We have to start a podcast. Oh, fuck. Now, the dumb thing about that was we obviously didn't resolve any of our conflict in the past. And there had been a lot of hurt in there, right? Like friends with other people that weren't friends and words said. So we started our podcast because...
Mandy at the time was working at a tech firm. I'm sorry, a finance firm. I was working in tech. I'm like, wow, like we're still whores, but we're like, we got jobs. Who would have thought this could happen? Nice homes and money. Like, this is great. So we started Horrible Decisions on the premise that we were corporate women talking about sex. And once the podcast started to grow and blow, it was like arguments would happen and different things in us. Between you and Mandy? Yes. We had a whole therapy episode on air. Oh, the therapy was the worst. We were real therapists.
Bitch, well, who was she? A friend? Yeah, but because you say a therapy episode, like people, it was a whole ass, real ass therapist. Have you guys actually gone to therapy together? And it was awful. I felt like all she was was a referee to just make sure we ain't fighting. But once we spent all that money, literally Mandy and I walked outside. We were like, we'll be okay.
of the day. It was like, then we went over by 45 minutes so we had to pay double. It was like, what, $600 for a fucking hour and a half session? Of yelling. Dude, that's some New York therapy shit. No, it was bad. Of you guys yelling at each other? Yelling. Like, to the point where she thought she was going to have to change offices because the therapist in the next room was like, can y'all stop that? Like, I have a client. But you know
what actually the fact that you guys were willing to like get into it and fucking yell at each other don't you think that's probably better in the long run than like keeping shit to yourself and then things are boiling up and then you are kicked off of your podcast oh shit oh shit so i'm gonna try to fire you
I will say there's two things to that because I agree with both of you. I think the fact that we yelled at each other, maybe it was necessary to get that anger out. But our biggest problem now is communication, right? Like people are always so confused at how we fight so much or even would compare us to your old podcast because we argue and they're like, they're going to break up. They're going to break up. But we don't. And I think it's because we know we built something great. Like, you know, we've toured so many cities, met our fans. And it's like,
How can we let this arguing really fuck up everyone else's enjoyment? And just walking away from ego, it's now bigger than us. And I think that even with you now still keeping going, the fans that you've been able to accumulate, your stories and how you talk about your sex, maybe not so much your quarter black guy, but all of your other raunchiness, it is liberating and empowering to so many women that...
didn't grow up having the conversations with their parents and things like that. And when people can listen to you, do you mean the conversation surrounding sex? Sex. Okay. But also as women too, like how we could just sit here and laugh about fucking snorting cum bubbles out of our nose or whatever. Like whatever the fuck. Cum bubbles. Cum bubbles. I did not think it was cum bubbles. I thought,
So I'm the black one here. I don't do, but I do cum bubbles. Okay. For my white listeners that are listening, apparently if you like do blow, you're a white bitch. That's not true, bro. We are both too black, girl. I'm telling you. I've been to the party. This is the black and white difference with cocaine. I'm going to tell you right now. Okay, what is it? You go to a party with white people. It's out there. Do you guys know about it?
Black people, you know what I'm saying? We're not as generous with people like that because we don't fuck with you like that. But when you start talking to someone, you see they get down, how you get down, you're like, yo, I got a little, you want that? Okay. It's like that. It's not getting passed around on like a tray. I'm not going to lie. Even when she was doing it, I found out, sorry, sorry. But even when I found out how expensive it was.
This is something. It's expensive. I was like, I'll stick with my dime bags. Thanks. Let me tell you, when I used to be on my PhD fucking Oak Avenue run, Gypsy, I'm like, not Gypsy. What was that place? Gospel. Oh, Gospel. Jesus Christ. Girls would be like, can I do it? I'd be like, bitch, no. But if I met a black girl, I was like, okay, like, see, we're like sisters. Ha ha.
So anyway, through all of that, I mean, Horrible Decisions is a podcast about destigmatizing kink for black people, right? So Mandy and I got on there and we would tell our stories together in the beginning. And then we would invite people on to talk about kink specifically, like whether it be pup play or foot fetishes or anal or whatever. Well, and that's the thing for the white people listening, because I'm sure there's a lot of you. We only have 27 white listeners. Yeah, we always say that. No wonder, honey.
hundreds of thousands of people listen, we still say 20 cents. People come up to us. But I say that because outside of us liberating women, we say a lot of things are white people's shit because...
I feel like you guys are more open to trying things sexually or with sexuality. And so a lot of us don't assume that even black people are into BDSM and tying people up. And why is that? Because it's just the culture. We don't talk about it. Our culture. It's just the culture did not really talk about that. And it comes from deep when you're a kid. Don't be fast or things like that. Having to be, I call it the Obama complex sometimes because it's,
That president had to be the perfect fucking black guy. Yeah. You know what I mean? And you black people and your families and your moms and your fathers, they tell you that to excel, you have to be that person. And what is sex seen as something that's slutty or demeaning or taboo or people won't respect you. So, I mean, it's also something that we're not supposed to enjoy as women. Right. Outside of black, white, any color, like.
we're automatically looked at and valued as less because we enjoy having sex okay that's yeah that's so interesting there's two points here and in black culture it's like they everything you guys do you should tone it down yes to not be too much is that what you're saying i believe it is kind of especially growing up yeah right and that obviously includes sex that's
like a very interesting fucking thing to think about and then secondly just as women in general we should not talk about sex we shouldn't we really shouldn't well especially the way that the three of us the way that we do no it's pretty good with the little
Do you ever have, have you guys ever put out an episode or said something where you were like, I took it too far. Yes. Yeah. That time where I was like, she's done a lot of editing. She'll be like, no, no, I'm not going to lie. Like there was even a recent episode and I don't know what it was, but we just got a whole bunch of comments. Like,
The story, it seems like it was edited somewhere and I didn't even know, but she took out. I did. I had to take out. She took out a lot of something. It was a three-shot with a friend. I was like, I got to take this shit out. She does the editing. I was doing a lot of the editing, editing. I'm talking about as far as editing ourselves. Like if we say something like post-production, yeah, we don't do that no more. You know, our people do that. Yeah.
I gave up on that. But as far as editing ourselves, like, yeah, there would be stories that after we recorded, she would be more like... So there was a few things in the beginning that I know both of us... One was pegging. We talked about pegging a lot. If she ain't care, I...
so we're gonna have a lot of black listeners and I don't want people to know that I'm into pegging I was like I want this podcast to be for everybody so literally the first episode here she go we're Pegasus sisters you know what that means pegging like when you strap someone on and I was like bitch I said I didn't want to talk about Pegasus Pegasus like yeah Pegasus that's
with this shit you pegged with your fist no like for me it was sugar daddy so keep in mind in the beginning we now make a living off our podcast and touring and all that other shit and being in entertainment but in the beginning like we were nine to five bitches right I was in school the sugar daddy thing was a very particular thing I didn't want to talk about because I was like well I'm selling pussy technically I have had a seeking arrangement story one too many and I felt like wait you're gonna have to tell one on here oh god girl give us seeking arrangement
arrangement story. Please. You went on a trip with me. I did, but you fucked. I didn't have to fuck. Okay, it's time. I was right in the bed right next to her. We have never told that story. Oh, we didn't? No. Oh, and she brought me to fuck because she said he like big butts.
Tell the story. All right. So I grew up with money and then I didn't have it. And then I got really poor. That's not the story. We're talking about seeking arrangement. I'm trying to get into how it got on there. So I just felt like selling pussy at the time. And by the way, I think we all have been there at some point where you get a little shamey and there's that whore hierarchy where like, I'm better than you because I don't do this. And I was like, well, I'm never going to sell pussy. I'll have a sugar daddy. But I sold it. So I went on seeking arrangement and...
I met this guy, black dude, so I felt safe. Because at the time, I wasn't fucking white guys because I was scared. I felt like if I fucked a white guy, they were going to kill me. I understand that, though. It's lifetime. I understand that. But it's also like you just, I think when you're black, you kind of stick to what you know at first. And once I moved to New York, I was fucking everybody. Eastern Europe has seen my vagina. But in the beginning, when I was young, I was like, okay, so this black guy, he's fat, but he's going to be fine. So I'm like, who could ever be that fat? Yeah.
He was bad enough. He had a belly. On Seeking Arrangements, it says how much their net worth is, right? Right. Now his, he put like over half a mil. He was a doctor. A dentist. A doctor or a dentist. So he did have money. So we get there. We stay at the MGM Grand, which is one of my favorite hotels in Detroit. And I love to gamble. So we had fun and we were having so much fun that I was like, he's going to forget to fuck me. This is great. And that's what she was putting on. They never fucking
forgot also yes he like gave us money to gamble with but the whole time i thought i was the friend that got brought to fuck because she was like he likes big butt and were you down were you like yeah i guess i'll take one for the team money yeah he gave us money but he also gave us money to gamble this bitch ended up winning like 700 i was like bitch that means we gotta split it right but she ain't split it with me bitch she's like she's like i'm giving some of this to my mom and i was like
if only she knew where this fucking money came from, bitch. She pulled the mom card out. I can't care of my family. She did. Oh, okay. She helps her mom. That makes sense. So she gave some to her mom and I was like, anyway, so we got really drunk, but I will say, this fucking sugar daddy is the person that introduced me to, um, egg whites. No, well, caviar and egg whites in drinks. So I have like my first whiskey sour with this nigga. I find it so classy. So first of all, we get to the dinner. I'm like, oh, there's egg whites in this drink? I,
I had eaten nice shit before. But like, and this is the fucked up part with me. Like, I kind of expected, he brought his friend, right? Who was black. He did bring his friend. So I was like, oh,
okay, this is going to be fun. It's going to be some like hood rich shit. And the most expensive caviar on the menu was what? $1,200? He spent money. He bought it. He spent money. It comes out on this little tiny thing. Right. And let me tell you, the way my palate is set up. Now, but bitch, we was like 19. Mind you, we were like 19. That's how I know I was destined for greatness. We were like 19, 20. Because I had one taste and I was like, oh, this is what I need for life. Oh, fuck.
and did it fuck you up? But literally, mind you, she has an egg allergy. And I'm like, well, bitch, you just got to stay away because I want to try this drink with egg whites in it. Right, right, right. But he's the one who put me onto that. And then, so we're drunk. We went to the speakeasy. We were in the casino gambling. We were drinking all night. And you guys thought you could avoid fucking. She was like, great, I'm not going to have to fuck. That nigga came up to the room, bitch, and got in her bed. And I was like, bitch, I'm going to fuck you up. A bitch started...
He was all top of his. I was like, I'm going over there, bitch. I kept trying to get him drunk the whole night and I was tapping Mandy like, this is great. I know. The fact, you must have been 19, 20 because now, like, you fucking know if you're going on a trip like that, they will make sure they fuck you. They're popping Viagra like before they go out. We did. He could barely get up which was a great thing. Oh, he could barely
He could barely get it out. And he was so lucky. He was drunk. Oh, wait. He was that drunk. Wait, that's like really great advice. It was a blessing from God. I don't know if that's really great advice, but it is a little bit. If you're with a sugar daddy and you don't want to fuck him, if you get him drunk enough. I think that was my good karma. Because I gave some of my pussy money to my mom. I feel like God threw me a bone. I was like, you know what, bitch? We're going to give it a half dick. You're going to be cool. So he fell asleep. Remember how loud he snored? Me and Mandy slept in the bed together. So then she moved from the bed that she just...
semi-fucked this nigga. And you're like, how was it? She's like, bitch, you're awake? You're pretending to be asleep. I acted like I was knocked out, bitch. Was it going to get me? Because if it ain't work with her, I ain't think, I don't know if he thought he was going to get both of us. I think he did. Bitch, I was asleep. Wow. No, you were laughing at one point. So then what happens? You guys like, you just went home. So he gave us a cab home and I remember him saying, I was like, oh, I need the cab money. And he was like, after all the money.
No. He did. He did. That was a great experience. Cause it's like from now, since then, um,
That was to me one of my best experiences with understanding how it is to quote unquote be the sex worker because I pay for pussy a lot. Like Cuba like you pay for pussy. She'll pay for dick too. Okay what do you mean by that? So like I'm like secretly hoping we're going to talk about like a massage that didn't happen. So I've gotten that but she like legit pays for sex workers. Kate tell me about that. So I
I love threesomes. Like I've been in a throuple, like I've had a girlfriend and when dating men, um, more particularly, I call them on the show, old Bay. We have a lot of threesomes, mainly with listeners. I don't know how it happens, but I just think you don't know how it happens. She loves fucking fans, bro. Fans with an F. I'm fucking here. If any of us end up hooking up, like we will be talking about it on the next episode. So they're like, are you,
like, are you Wheezy? I'm like, yeah. And then they already know, like, I'm like, oh. And then they know, like, obviously it's time to get it in. So, like, it always happens. Now, while vacationing, more than none, I think out of every vacation, only two of the times, maybe I'll just say out of eight, two of the times I paid for a pussy. But, um,
With him. But yeah, like for threesomes, if I can't find someone or we're not vibing with someone and I want to have a vacation threesome, yeah. The last time I paid was Cuba, which was really fun. Was it a girl or a guy? It was a girl. I would love an MMS, but like I guess he's not ready for that. But yeah, we go to this club where it's like Cuba is a big prostitution country. Like that's how they survive off of it, right? I've heard that's where like if you want to get the happy ending massage from like a gorgeous like Cuban dude, like that's where you go do it. Oh, I just went to Miami. Yeah.
He was German. Didn't you say it was a Groupon? He was like German and Russian on a Groupon, bitch. So you had been with a white guy. It was a massage. Okay. It was a massage. And he was like, yeah, it was in Miami. And I felt bad because this was back when I was broke. So I only tipped him 20. But it was good. Did it end up in fucking or fingering? No, no, no, just fingering. Because it's my fantasy. I just need you to tell me how did, were you like, okay, touch my pussy or what? Or were you like, fuck, grind.
grinding the air well he had an accent so ironically in the beginning of the massage we just talked a lot he's like where i was from like where he was from because he had an accent right and i don't like access now but back then i was like oh and he was like he's exotic he was exotic bitch he was he was white german like russian german okay so you fucked white i didn't
him. Mandy, you finger fucked. That's lesbian. No, no, no. We only acknowledge oral sex as sex. We never talk about finger fucking as sex. But for lesbians, it's sex. And I don't think that shit is sex. Okay, so what? That's why when you be talking about that scissoring, I be like, that ain't sex. Guys, okay, scissoring is not sex. The only thing
No, it is. I'm joking. Mandy thinks only penis and vagina is sex. If you can get an STD from it, it's sex. Okay. So basically, when he got down to... This is when he was still... When I was laying on my stomach and he got down to my thigh area...
I pretty much just like started opening my legs more and more. Oh my God. And like, so as he was massaging the inside of my thighs, he was getting more aggressive. Because he just felt it. A bitch was leaking. Oh my God. And it wasn't the oils, bitch. It was a car. Well, this has a
Let me fix it. And like, as he got closer to my vagina, I like just kept open. Like more and more a little bit like, nigga, yes, you can go in there, but I didn't say it, but I just like, and then by the time I rolled over,
He just, he was all up in that. Shut the fuck up. It was great. And you came. You had an orgasm. What happens when you come? And does he just go back to the feet? No, he just went back to then massaging the rest of my legs. Did you say thank you? Of course I did. Okay. Does it depend on the fucking establishment? No, this, I'm sure this was not allowed. No, I know it's not allowed, but like. Was it seedy, you mean? Kind of.
Was it a nice place? No, it was nice. It was on the beach. It was on Collins. So I can go to Miami and get this shit done anywhere. So this was like four years ago. If I can go into my Groupon app, I might be able to let you know where I went.
Bitch, I'm sure he's gotten fired. Yeah, he might have. I don't know. Or he's fucking got a raise. So there's a Sex and the City episode. I do this every fucking show of mine. When she gets that massage. That looked like a nice place. But I think it's just the vibe. Like, see, there's a few. Well, maybe y'all can go. She said she used to go to a place in Chinatown, right? Yeah.
That gives happy endings? Yeah, but like I don't know if any men work that. I think it's not for women. Do you want a man or a woman giving you a happy ending? I think either. When I went to Thailand with my mom, there was like this older woman and I think she was kind of trying to go for that. And I was like –
I can do it with like a 60-something year old bitch. You didn't want to be maudited? No. Not to be ages. No. That's not. No. But I just can't believe that happened in Miami. In Miami, it was great. I mean, I guess it happens anywhere, really. Yeah.
And now I like want to pay for sex. That sounds so fucking hot. It's so exerting. Sophia, I don't know what it is. Well, OK, you said you like to pay for it and then you said you like to fuck your fans. Oh, I just do like a rock star. She is. Can I explain something? Even though on tour I was the one making out with fans. I'll make out with them, but I won't fuck them. You were bugging out.
Bro, I was drunk. Shit. It's like during COVID, though. Like, we can't be doing that shit now. This was pre-COVID. No, pre-COVID. So we were on tour in the middle of COVID. Wait, no, not in the middle. No, no, sorry. And COVID cut it short. So the first tour we did, we funded on our own, right? We used our Patreon money. Shit, we used the same hotel room and we were making bank. We sold out every single show. That's amazing. And then finally, WME was like, oh, you bitches or something. And we were like, yeah. Oh, you're revved at WME. WME. Me too. Okay. Okay.
Oh, that was the least relatable shit we've ever said on this show. You're blaming me too. Oh, you're right there.
Okay. We got real too cool for school right there. So on our second tour, in my opinion, because the venues were so large, I mean, we did Howard theater for anyone that doesn't know what Howard theater is. It's a historic black college. And it was huge. I mean, to me, it was a monumental thing. Wow. And people treated us differently because I mean, we were renting out small comedy clubs at first. And then when they were seeing us in that light with these huge 20 foot stages, they're like, Oh, I want to fuck you. I saw, I saw,
I understood how rappers felt. People were just throwing pussy at us. And like, yeah, no, seriously. And then at that point after the Howard theater thing, I was like, Oh, we do have to act like we're like almost famous. We're not really, we're just famous to black people. So you have hooked up with people that listen to the show and then you paid for it. Yeah. So I haven't paid for sex alone yet.
but I absolutely would. What do you mean? What does that mean? So I've only paid for women to encounter threesomes with. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. I'm sorry. So I've actually done that before too. Yeah. And I, I think it's fun. I've hired like a girl off of Craigslist to like come hang out with my boyfriend and I, did you want her to fake? Like she was your friend or someone? No, I just, how much does she charge for this?
You know what's really fucked up is my boyfriend was kind of like – and he was trying to lowball her kind of and he was like – she did not look like her pictures. Let's just put it that way. She showed up a different bitch. You got catfished from the Craigslist. I felt it. Who could have thought? And she showed up and he was just like, no, we're going to stick to like the price we discussed.
And then she was kind of, she was like, I will do this for that. And then me, she tried to upsell y'all. Well, she was trying to upsell. And then me being drunk and female empowerment. I'm like, girl, you tell him, like, my boyfriend's like, Sophia, what the fuck? And I'm like, girl, do not let him fuck you. He's also my,
- But that's the thing I love about sex work. It's like, as someone who's pro sex work and we all host these shows where we're empowering sex, I feel like I have to push that, right? Like right now I'm filming and working on a TV show where I'm talking to sex workers and they're the only ones whose appearance fees I'm like, oh no, like you pay them what they ask. Everybody else, like I get it, whatever. Like it's journalism. But when these people are putting their lives
on the line like from a vulnerability perspective because for one they're offering a service that may not be sex that's how it's legal right so escorts are offering their time and if they have sex with you it's their choice right and that's why they've had to use verbiage on craigslist like roses or things like that so that they don't go to fucking jail yeah
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I am so tired of people in Hollywood. It's exhausting, dude. In what way? Oh, my God. Like, so I when we did our first show, I got contacted by a lot of people to start doing like TV slots like Viacom or BT or different people like, oh, you're funny because I was kind of learning how to do improv on stage.
And honestly, that's how our show works. Mandy is very much the one that outlines and I plug a lot of shit. Like it's weird. We both bring a different dynamic. She keeps our structure and I try to like pull the joke. I know it well. It's why we missed the whole segment because she ran that outline. But it was fun though.
She doesn't really outline it like I do. But it's crazy just from talking about sucking dicks. So like for the last two years, I've been working on writing things and making content and creating scripts, unscripted, not scripted, whatever, working on punch up, which is basically when comedians or people are making a movie or a show and they're like, hey, this is the script. Add the jokes in. Are you sitting in a room with people and you like keep working on jokes together? Right. So like I had this idea for a show maybe like December of last year. You're a writer at heart.
I wasn't really. Horrible decisions really brought that out of me. Like I really started to enjoy making funny content. Not like in an Instagram real way, but like just something I wanted to put out there. And I had flown out to LA so many times to film for things and everyone tells you how great you are, but nobody wants to be first to give you that money, right? And it was the same with me.
horrible decisions a lot. You guys are great, but they wouldn't sign us to things until it was more time. Dude, I got my green light almost 10 months later. And do you think that's like a race thing, a female thing, what thing? I mean, I ain't gonna hold you. We gonna be real. Like, we, even with horrible decisions, thought that it was a race thing. That's why we weren't as big as
you were, you know? Well, I was just going to say, you know, when I, my old show, it's two white girls. Like I'm Spanish, but I'm fucking white. And she, she is white as they come. And, uh,
When we flew out to L.A., it was everything on a silver platter. We want to do a TV show, movie, da-da-da. Yeah. And I honestly want to say it's a race thing. I do. It is. I think that a lot of the things that hurt – there was a show particularly on one network that's larger than life. Mm-hmm.
I shot maybe four episodes of something with them and the person they chose over me, they apologized for when they called me and told me I didn't get it. It was white. And she's like, I just think that they saw something better. And she's like, even she's like the people recording your stuff. We had to go back and fix the sound because they laughed so much when you spoke and they didn't on her pilot. But she's just going to sell the show better.
So, I mean, luckily with the network I'm with now, I can say it, it's Fuse. They were like, hell fucking yeah, black girl shit. I think we should be talking about this shit. Like, this is real ass shit. It is. I mean, it's really real. And especially with what we've went through with our podcast, like, sometimes it's downright embarrassing how low people have offered us money. And I think that's really what made us tour alone first. Like,
When we can make hundreds of thousands alone, why did we go with these companies that just want to mark us off their checklist as the black pot? Right. Which is really what made us – so recently we finally signed to Charlemagne's Black Effect, which is a subcategory of iHeart Network's podcast where he's got all black podcasts in there trying to elevate their voice. And that was like the best fit out of everyone who's contacted us. Charlemagne? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
It was just the right moment after four years of podcasting to never align with another company. But yeah, I mean, finally, like there was like a home where I was like, OK, now we can sign our name on the dotted line. But I mean, it took time. I really always felt like everyone would take advantage of us down to our WBME agent. He's black. And he was like, trust me, dude, like I get it. The issue is like.
I will probably offend a lot of people. I think just in this industry, every fucking person is going to try to take advantage of you. Yeah, they are. But almost every single one. Even just us being women.
Us being women. Our dynamic where we are just up against those walls. Yeah. And it doesn't matter. I mean, I spoke about this in my first episode. This is like obviously a weird, awkward fucking thing for me to talk about. I don't know exactly. I like want to navigate it yet. But the fact that this show was making, I want to say 13, 14 million dollars for
Oh, yeah. That's some different type of shit. That's being taken advantage of. It was right and wrong, right? Because it's like... They gave us the publicity, right? They did. Right. And it's like... We signed the shit. But I also understand that when it comes time to negotiate, is that where you were at? Where did you sign?
What do you mean? Were you at negotiation time when you realized you were done? No. I read the articles. The problem was y'all were trying to force a negotiation mid-contract. Like, I think it would have been better if y'all just let the contract go out and then bust them in the head. So this is going to blow some minds. So the contract...
It was – we were hired on as at-will employees. Yes. So we could leave at any fucking moment, which people don't understand. Everyone's like, you had a contract. You had to like sit there and finish it out. We didn't. Oh, okay.
Well, I will tell you then. Now I understand because what we've read or what I read and anything else, it was like you wanted to break with me. That's the thing that people don't understand and it's been really hard for me because I'm like, I want to just tell them, blah, blah, blah. But then the problem was that you and her didn't agree. Yes.
OK. And I think that's kind of the craziest thing is we were free to leave and do another podcast. What made you? I'm curious. What made you take so long? I wondered if you took so long because you just wanted to land on an idea. You took so long because maybe you were dealing with the hurt of how people treated you. To come back. Yeah. And do my own show. Did you? Were you? I wondered also if that was a contractual thing. So, no. No.
No, no, no. Because again, I can be like, bye and quit and do a podcast. Okay. I think it took a while because I was mentally extremely fucked up. Like, I'm not going to lie. I'd never experienced something like that.
I don't think it's fair to say a lot of people probably have not been in that situation. But you were in New York. Did people, and thank God kind of during quarantine so you don't have to face everybody, but like would people come up to you places and ask you? Like you felt you couldn't avoid it? Well, I didn't leave the house because like COVID hit and then I was also like that depressed. Like I would not leave the house type of thing. And, you know, it just, it takes time. Like my attorney is going back and forth with their attorney and then
I, you know, I actually had six fucking offers to do a podcast like right out of the gate. I'm sure. Really? See, I'm mentally like in a different spot. You can tell because I felt so hated. I felt. But it's the same with when you look at the most hated people. They. Right. All publicity. Everybody wants to hear from you. It's good because it.
what all of these tech giants are doing as well. They're focused on engagement. They don't give a fuck whether it's people saying they hate you a thousand times or whether they're saying, oh my God,
saying, oh my God, I love this episode. I mean, they care about clicks and they care about the person on the other end listening. That's what we talked about. They don't give a fuck. And it's why people probably may still listen if they're not even enjoying that content anymore. They just hate you. They'll listen to you just so they can go, can you believe she said this? That bitch. Which is so...
Yeah. Because there's this line between really kind of diving into like the clicks, clicks, clicks. Like I'm going to say some fucked up shit on this episode and I'm going to get in beef with this person. That's not me. Oh.
Do you understand like what I'm saying? But I understand that it works. I mean, that's kind of like what my old company was. They were like clickbaiting. I'm curious to know. We were talking about women and like what people thought about sex.
When you guys started your show, did you know who we were? And did you feel like we could have ever come on? Yeah. Come on. I guess they're like both just collaborated. So when I started the podcast, I had only listened to two other podcasts and they were not about sex.
And I just never looked at collabing with people because we didn't do guests. True. We didn't do guests for two years. So, no, I didn't think about, you know, like collabing with you guys because I didn't think about collabing with anyone to be completely honest. What made you think of it now? What made you reach out to us? I think it's when I was talking to my fucking friend about doing this. And she says –
You know, the OG call her daddy is horrible decisions, by the way. Is your friend black? No. She's Spanish. She's Spanish. Okay, well. Okay.
And she listened to obviously my show and yours at the same time. And she was like, they would be perfect. And I also am trying to set a standard of being fucking inclusive. But you know, it's very important that you have like-minded people on. And I think that was the thing we didn't even understand at first with our reach. Like, do we introduce people to other podcasts? But like,
That is the method of successful people. When you put other people on or you collaborate with them, no matter who's on a different, like, right? That only just increases your reachability, what people think of you. It just makes you greater. Yeah, I don't think we have to operate like drug dealers. Like, there's really enough money to go around.
Like we don't have to sit here and be like, this is my corner. This is my space. You know what I mean? And it sets a standard too when like you won't work with other women and like it just doesn't, it's just not a good look. And I think that when you can't cross promo, it's just not good for business. What you had before, I do get it. Like we didn't do a lot of guests. I mean, we did. We did.
But, I mean, I get that. Yeah. I think, too, people pit you against each other a lot. And that's really what made us reach out to other sex pods to collaborate because when people start to do that in your comments, you're like, okay, you got to, like, break the shit up. Yep. And I totally agree with that. And I'm not going to lie to you because I'm a very honest, transparent person. I think when I was doing that old show and we would see the comments –
For horrible decisions. I don't read them. You don't? You got to say out these comments. I don't read them. I even, I have another podcast. It took six episodes for me to even reach into the comments on our YouTube for that. I don't read specifically YouTube comments because they're harsh. YouTube's mean. What about your messages? Like your DMs? I mean, of course my DMs, but my DMs specifically on my personal channels are my fans.
So I don't really have. But that's not true because on our horrible decisions page, we absolutely read through the comments about episodes. Yeah. We'll read about the comments from an episode. I'm assuming that's what you mean. Yeah. But I won't go onto YouTube and I don't feel like I search for places where I know there's going to be negative things. But to me, anyone who spends the time out of their day to go and write about how much they hate somebody that they don't know or to talk about how awful they think someone dressed or spend that time.
going into just negative things I don't like those people are lunatunes to me have you guys ever done that have you ever I don't even have fake major but my homegirls high school have been mean karmic shit is real right so like if you are putting that much energy to destroy like I really feel like it just comes back like
Even when I'm thinking and getting angry or having jealous and possessive feelings about someone I'm with, I really believe that. I just don't think that you can really go out there and try to be as evil or hurtful and it just doesn't come back. I agree. I do agree to a certain extent. I do. So you really believe in this karmic thing where if you're doing –
If you're like doing fucked up shit, it's going to come back to you. I believe in that. I really do. And I also think like – You don't think there's people that are just like fucking evil, horrible people and they just get away with it their whole life? Not their whole life. But I don't live with hurt and pain. And I think that when you're that evil person like – They don't go to bed at night feeling good. Yeah. And I've had anxiety before and things like that. I won't say that. I've been depressed. But –
Day to day, I believe I'm a happy person and I choose to live my life that way. And even when I find myself getting angry, like in moments like this, right? Like I got really angry at a cousin of mine the other day. And I had to say out loud like that I wished her well that day because I was like, I'm so mad at this bitch. But like if I keep doing that and perpetuating that, it's just like I'm just going to keep it there. So I have to really try to believe to be as good as I can. I just think that's the only way that you really can be a good person and get good shit back. Yeah.
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Okay, okay, okay, okay. I want to talk about sex work for a minute because I think there is a lot of confusion surrounding what is considered sex work. Is there a difference between an escort or a pole dancer or a sugar baby or selling fucking feet pics on OnlyFans? Like, what is the distinction if there is one? What we're doing right now with our podcast and us talking about sex is sex work. Right. Because it's...
empowering and lighting I mean shedding a light I think even promoting positivity toward it sugaring to me is sex work because there's an ultimate thing there right where you know sex is an option it generally happens there's an age gap where it's like beautiful woman like this is all sex work we're not fucking in the strip club if we're stripping but you know that you're pretty and someone's paying for it it's the same with sugaring you're pretty someone's paying for it see I didn't even I never really had like
That term sugar daddy I didn't use, but I fucked a lot of married niggas. And so I'm just saying. So the guys that I fucked that were married, we would go into our arrangement to where I knew I was benefiting financially and I knew what they wanted out of the relationship. And so even though I didn't necessarily look at myself as a prostitute or escort or sex worker in that sense, I was...
willing to engage sexually with somebody for financial gain. And they're always trying to justify it and being like, but it's not like I'm an S-score, you know? The hierarchy of hoeing. The hierarchy of hoeing. And it's just, it's, I think it's, uh...
not detrimental, but it's just not good. It's like, let's not compare. You're doing what you're doing. Like, but it's because even within the same space, there's still a lot of shame about us enjoying sex or benefiting from the act of sex. So whether you're a stripper and you look down on escorts and they look down on prostitutes, there's always a way to shame the exact act that you're doing to make yourself feel better. Oh, I do it all the time. For the way that I look at other kinds of drug users,
is hilarious. I could be at a party and be like, oh, these bitches are doing ketamine. Oh, wait, that's so true. Right? Have you done that too? Have I done ketamine? I mean, I just do it like...
You were talking about the judgment, right? I mean, I've tried a lot. I've tried a lot. But it's kind of – it's the coke and crack thing. See, and here I go. As just a basic person who does drugs, we talk about mid, if you're smoking mid or if you're smoking that gas. Gas or mid? For weed. For weed. Weed smokers. We talk about if you're smoking like –
grass and dirt or if you're smoking like some fire. But either way, like you're not judging if you're smoking either way. I cannot believe the person I've become. Like when I was 18 going to EDC, I wasn't 18, I don't think it came out then, but like when I was younger going to those raves, I was like, oh my God, I'm just doing ecstasy. I'm not snorting coke. And then bam, 25 hit. And I'm like this classy ass 40...
Of course, a gold straw. But, you know, that's what we do. Like, we just judge and judge until you cross that path. Right. The interesting thing with sex work, it's like they may be more conventionally attractive or have come from a different standard of money. Whereas if someone was born into a different circumstance and they've had to street walk or use a Craigslist, maybe they...
It's a lot of different means in ways that I've even judged until I think our podcast really helped me get out of that thinking. Like understanding that every woman's journey is different.
This is why like I've also tried to pull out – I definitely talk about not wanting to date a broke dude. But sometimes we can't even talk like that because you really don't fucking know like the things that people have to do. And it's like your friend that's sugaring may have a great Chanel bag or trip from this. But someone else may need to feed themselves. So it's totally different. Yeah. And you know what? It all stems from the same shit really. It's you kind of feeling bad about what you're doing.
Do you get what I'm saying? That's the only reason you're comparing. But there's internalized shame in all of this too. Like I ain't gonna hold you. I done did some nasty things in the bedroom and I've been like, who the fuck am I? Like I've even questioned like how nasty I've been and it's just like why is there shame in me
What did you say? What was the last thing? I mean, I would say even like putting a foot in my mouth. Like, what the fuck? Swapping was my shit. I was like, well, you took it too far. So a guy came in your mouth and you swapped with a girl. I haven't snowballed yet, but I would like to. But I've had a guy come on me and lick the cum off and then kiss me with it. Really? Oh, my God. Hot. Love it. I have one last serious question. Okay.
If you guys have ever had a business decision that's super fucking hard, how do you guys ultimately come to... Bitch, we got a whole lawyer now. Oh, we do. Wait, like, and we still don't get, like, agree with that. That's the answer. Get a lawyer. That's all we need. A hard business decision? Get a lawyer.
I mean, do you guys each have your own or the same? We have one for the business and then we each have our separate ones. That's very smart. But I will say, I do like having the business lawyer together. I think she does her best to act in the best interest. She'd be like therapy, therapist. She's a therapist. She deserves a bottle. She's dope. We should send her one. She's a cool Dominican chick. And to be honest, I felt like we needed someone who was like us. I felt like...
like if, you know, if you've got an old Jewish white dude, what you gonna do? You know what I'm saying? Like, and this is no anti-Semitic comment. My father's from Isis, it's really okay. He's totally waspy, Jill. But no, like we needed somebody that could relate. And I think that she does well with that. And even when we're cursing, she can do it with that. But Mandy and I... We be on the phone to Laura like, I don't give a fuck. We do. That's true.
I will say that I think we do over time is like we put listeners first a lot. And like even right now, we just dropped some merch. Right. I liked something. She didn't like something. It was like, OK, like whatever people will like better. I might not like this, but what do they want? Right. Really try to put people first. And that's been the biggest thing that has propelled us is if. Yep.
We are going to disagree. And for business, it's taking out your ego. It's taking away whatever personal issues you have and literally what's best, A, for the business and what's best for the people who support your business. So your customers or your listeners and podcasts. And we fuck up.
That's a great answer. That's a great answer. And that ain't PC either. Like, it's real shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100%. I didn't know we came off PC. No. Because we said lawyer. Okay. I really relate to the Jewish thing. I feel like they're all fucking old Jewish. Yeah. They are. And they're scammers. I'm talking anti-scam.
I mean, sorry. Mandy talks about Jews like this because she gets so mad at me. My grandma's Jewish. I'm Jewish on my mom's side. Well, I'm just saying, bitch, I paid out for my Uber accident.
And my dick was... Let me tell you what Mandy does to me. Because I get very cheap. And she will remind me about my father. And it's just true. We the people, by that I mean, are just smarter and better with money. It is what it is. Is your dad Jewish? Yes, it's fucked. Like, real Israeli dude. And it's like, he has taught me so much about squeezing every penny. Dude, me too. That's why I got fucking kicked off of the fucking show. Like, I told you.
I'm fucking telling you. We don't believe in you. But, like, look at my bank account. Right. Like, trust me. That's the shit. Well, you're also living in Salt Lake now instead of me. Oh.
Okay. Also, the location change. All right. We are talking about just sex and we are wrapping up the episode. Yes. We're going to answer listener questions. Oh, I like this. And they're going to be primarily just sex-based, okay? Okay. Because I knew I was bringing some whores on. Yes. Okay. This one, I really, really want to ask you guys. I see this question 50,000 times. How do you suck uncircumcised dick? You don't. What? Oh.
uncircumcised it. I hate it. So this is for her. I don't want a turtleneck. What? The only turtleneck I want is this one during the winter. Okay. Bitch, not... See, the uncircumcised ones, they're like a little fun pop. I love it. I've heard that they're more fun. You've never seen them? I never have. I never have. Honestly, you come off sluttier than you are. How have you not run into one? No, but I am a slut. I am. A slut. A slut.
You must fuck a lot of American guys because I believe it's something like, I don't know, like 80% of Americans circumcised whereas like 80% of the world doesn't. But like when I was on my European spree and this is what I didn't realize. I think black girls have been taught that like white guys won't really be into us.
And when I went to Europe, they were like, oh, bitch, you look different. And I was like, well, I am. And it was like a total fetish thing. I mean, countries – And did that bother you or were you like, okay? Not until I like – I'm going to play into it. Not until I got woke. But no, like they were all circumcised. And I just kind of like – Uncircumcised. Uncircumcised. Thank you. Yeah. And I liked how they were like a little thicker and like – I don't know. I felt like they were thicker dicks.
I can't. You guys have real thick dicks. They do. But I will say this one thing with uncircumcised dick for anyone that's dealing with someone that has an uncircumcised dick. It's a gift because they feel more sensitivity. So when you're removing the foreskin, it decreases it. I mean – Can you tell them step by step how to suck it? Like you pull the foreskin down. So if it's hard – Like this fucking microphone.
If it's hard, you won't really have to, right? If it's hard, you don't really have to. But I will say this. Just make sure it doesn't get caught. Like if you're doing some handwork there, right? And this is no fucking crazy trick. This is Pornhub shit. We all know like the basket weave type thing. When you're doing that, you can't be too vigorous like a regular circumcised dick. Not that it's irregular. I don't mean to use that word, but...
You just have to make sure because it could snag and it could be very painful. Why are you nodding like that? Do you have an uncircumcised disc? Oh, do you want to come tell us? About your uncircumcised disc? How you want it sucked?
I got it right on the head. Whoa, Benson. Okay. So I'm saying like if you're going too fast, it could be really painful. So just making sure you're gentle. But the good thing is there is this point, correct me if I'm wrong, where when you're pulling it up, when it goes right over the head, it creates like a different sensation because now they're feeling their skin, your hand and your mouth.
So it's like – Wow. Don't get hard over here. Jesus. He's over there moaning. I know. I'm happy to know that this is good. He put the camera down. Yeah. I mean it's just like making sure the hand movement, that's where they're going to feel the most unless your mouth is that good. So you're saying engage and play with the foreskin. Yeah. Like have fun with it. I'm in Mandy's face like I can't. It's like if you're going to wear a hat today, try it on.
So, you know, it's crazy. But then I was wrong. Because, I mean, I've come across. Like, I'm not going to not suck the dick because there's extra skin. But I make sure that thing stays pulled down the whole time. But that's the thing. It's not as pleasurable. That's why you're not as good at dealing with it. And that's fine. And I won't. No.
You know what? My – I'm not going to say who it is. Someone very close to me in my family, a family member, has told me she would rather an uncircumcised dick because it's more fun. There's more shit to play with and supposedly they feel more sensitivity. I mean, not supposedly. They do. Yeah. I would rather one too. Yeah. Really? Yes. You heard it here first. All right. Let's move the fuck on. Okay. Okay.
You guys talk a lot about fetishes on Horrible Decisions, right? Yes. Yeah. All right. This girl, she said, I'm going to DM you about the- I bet we've heard it. Probably. What?
I said I was going to DM you. Oh, you're just saying the fetish thing. Okay. I'm going to DM you about the wildest shit I've done at work because it was when I was dancing. A dude asked me to step on his balls for 1K. And I mean like kick him in the balls. Told me to grab him by his hair and ask him why he was such a dirty little slut. I kid you not.
Send this as a DM because I dance on the side. Got to keep it on the DL. So the kicking thing, there's actually – I'm not sure of the fetish name, but I think Mandy's looking it up. But there's a famous guy – Ball busting. Ball busting. Thank you. Ball busting or tamakiri. Tamakiri. Literally ball kicking or ball busting. Oh, maybe because it's a Japanese word? Yeah. So there's a famous guy in New York, Ken the Carpet.
He used to roll himself in carpet, stand under a bar and like ask for people to step on him. And it was his way to get his kink off. And this is a very common fetish. A lot of like fin doms, financial dominatrixes, if you're listening and you don't know that term, if they're getting pay pigs who are men that like to give women their money. Right. We have some girls you could definitely have on. That'd be great. Right. But.
they don't engage in sex with clients and ball busting is like the number one thing. And I don't know really what it has to do with, but apparently that surge of like kicking or it's much like spanking when you're like, you feel like you wake up, like that's what it is. And it's like kicking and all of that. It takes you to another place. I think the pain can be like a sexual high. It is. So I can't find a
anophilia. So we talk about paraphilia as a part of our kink of the week. Okay. But we did bring this up. It's CBT. Cock and ball torture. That's right. We hit it off. Penis torture or dick torture which is a sexual activity involving application of pain or constriction to the penis or testicles. It may involve directly painful activities such as we already know. It is in the BDSM realm. Sadistic dominance, erotic humiliation, and masochism.
So that's what those words stand for, right? BDSM. They all are inclusive in that. That's a BDSM like job that she's about to do. I think 1K is pretty good, especially for your first time. But not only that, that's the thing too. In a lot of realms, you can do this stuff without having to engage in penetrative sex. Right. So a lot of people think that sex work is all about
penis and vagina right and it's not like the fact that you could get who would not get one right just to kick a nigga i honestly think it'd be easier for me to fuck for money than do that i feel like really i just don't think i'm assertive enough oh goofy bitch i feel like you wouldn't be able to take it i'm sorry could you kick a guy in his balls for 1k okay let's look for 200
$200? Could you kick a guy in his balls? No, for a K. I'm thinking would I rather fuck or just kick him in the balls? Yeah. For a thousand. I feel like I could fuck. I would rather just kick him in the fucking balls. I would kick him in the balls over fucking. It's too much work. I'm lazy as fuck. I'd rather just kick him in the balls. I feel like they need you to talk to him and shit. Like they want a story behind it. Oh, that's easy. That's easy. You little piece of shit. Like fucking sit there and take it. You are ready. Okay, see, maybe I need a white cloth. Yeah.
All right, let's move on. To put this bluntly, my boyfriend of four years has a very nice, very large dick and I want to have anal with him, but I'm scared. I've done anal in the past with previous boyfriends, but their penises, peni, question mark, the plural.
Bitch, we went to a different school. Yeah, I don't know. It doesn't matter. I just like dicks. They were more butt friendly, a.k.a. smaller. We are pretty kinky in the bedroom. Any tips or advice? Anal with a huge dick. Mandy has anal. I've done that. Yeah, that's right.
Dilators was mine. So yeah, I would say definitely do the butt plugs. Like there's anal training kits. Also be wary of what you eat that day. Like you don't, if you don't want to make a mess, but to me it's so more so trusting your partners because,
Like, there's been dicks that have been so big. And I was like, oh, you ain't fitting in there. But when I relax and I... Seriously. He keeps snorting this whole time. Seriously. Like, where I feel like no way you're going to fit because it stretches my vagina. Like, no way you're going to fit in that hole. Right. I got to make room. I've been surprised at...
At what you can do. But it's more so about trusting your partner. I feel like I have to fart just talking about this. No, I'm telling you. It's more so about also just being relaxed. I was about to say that. It's all about being relaxed. When I've had anal that was easy, it was because I was so relaxed. And lube. You do need to lube it up. Lube or Xanax? Lube.
to say Xanax and if you can't get your hands on a Xanax poppers right so these are I have some in my bag what I have some in my bag because I was just hanging out with my gay friend were you going to give us that with the champagne and plant B no I
even want them in there, but I'm just saying they're in there. I'm not taking that. Well, something could go in there. So poppers, if you guys don't know, it's some kind of mixture. It's like leather cleaner, right? Well, you ask for leather cleaner at the sex store because poppers is a quote-unquote illegal thing to ask for in some stores. I think it's nail polish remover. It's acetone. No way. Let me look it up. Wait, wait. Yeah, no, I don't. Is it illegal? What is poppers? Well, no, in some places they won't hand it to you. You'd have to ask for leather cleaner or a certain thing. Well, yeah, you can't go in and say, can I get poppers?
So it's a jar. It's a slang term. It says acrylonitrates. You inhale it. I just will tell you guys this. When I used to go to the gay clubs and like they would be passing around poppers, I'd be like, oh, we're snorting this. Okay. But I'd do it. So it's just this bottle and basically it gives you a rush to your head that's supposed to calm your whole body. It's an intense fucking rush. It really is. You're like incapacitated for about 15 seconds. It's just instant. But what it does is it allows for the entry point. So like you're
literally should do the poppers while someone's about to enter you because the entry that sphincter muscle is tighter than the rest of your asshole right that's a really good point is it true once it's in it feels better listen I be I be relaxed but when it's in does it feel better I be having the lube I don't be doing all the little extra zip I just be like but just say fuck it go in
Okay. So when it's in, it feels better. Yeah. It's kind of probably like when you shit, when it's first coming out. Right. And then it's like. No, it's different going out than going in. Okay, well. I'm not going to compare a dick going in my ass to shit coming out. I mean. Maybe that's how I feel. Sometimes I've taken shits and I've looked and I've been like, I could definitely fuck in the ass. Okay.
Oh my God. For sure. How did that come out of me? I've, I've had, you're telling me when you've done anal, you never like, did I just take a dump? No, because when I'm done now, I feel like everything's about to fall out of me. Okay. Cause I've been doing it where I'm like, did something just come out? Oh no, no, no. I've done that to where I've been scared to look at the sheets. But she claims that your booty hole goes back to normal. It does go back to normal. We had an email where a bitch said it didn't Mandy.
I don't know what she did. She probably fucked that guy. Okay, this is going to be our last question. Okay. Hi, Sophia. Long time listener. First time caller. Hey, girl. What's up? What?
Okay. So my boyfriend and I are both prone to cold sores. Oral. LOL. We are pretty paranoid whenever one of us has one and usually try to avoid kissing and oral sex obviously but we still like to fuck relying on toys and lube. So I'm trying to think of how best to initiate sex without kissing too much mouth action. Do you have any advice? So I mean I've had cold sores. I have too. My whole life I've
gotten that. It's a good question. And it's crazy because my sister, too, she had cold sores young. I just started getting them as an adult. Really? So I had no experience as a child with them. But...
I would say, because I had one even with my partner recently. And first off, I just loved how he was just like, he didn't give a fuck. You're beautiful. Thank you. Because I've got that same thing. I've gone cold source my whole life. If anything came down there, I don't think it would be the same. But I mean, I think cold source, it has. And unfortunately, I guess it's a gift and a curse. Cold source is something that we've normalized. What? Because we've normalized by calling it cold source. But
But herpes has such a negative fucking stigma to it. Is it HSV1? It is HSV1. So mind you, if you guys look into it, there's about eight actually HSVs. So there's eight forms of herpes that you can get. So this herpes simplex virus, for those of you who are listening, is what HSV is, right? One is your mouth. Two is your genital. And then there's like three through eight, which ironically, you can actually get herpes anywhere where there's moisture. So you can have herpes in your armpits. Oh, wow.
You could have herpes on your feet. When you get tested, if you get a blood test, it'll show HSV. One in two. Yeah. And it'll have like a greater sign or less than sign because we all have it somehow dormant in our bodies. So it's nothing to be insecure about. I think it's just having a partner that's, you know, mature enough to understand. But my advice would be making out with other parts of the body that can't contract a virus, like neck, tits, like everything. We don't really like. See, I.
I have you ever had a cold? I'm not going to lie. A cold sore comes. My mouth is out of commission. I don't want to commission. No, I don't. I don't think someone because well, so that's the thing. Well, not only does it hurt. Right. So not only does it hurt, but like so even growing up in a household when my sister would get it, she had one fork, one spoon, one cup. So because it's contagious. So the thing is, if you're kissing someone's neck and then they go and touch your neck, touch your pussy. The mouth is off.
limit. Wait, you can't suck dick? No, you can't do anything. Okay, let me sit down for this one and tweet. You can't do anything.
anything. I didn't know this. I would, yeah, I would say honestly, mouth is out. Mouth is out. Mouth is out. I think mouth is out and I think there, I think sometimes like sex can be really fucking hot when you're not allowed to kiss each other. And it's like, treat me like a dirty little bitch and a slut and a prostitute that just walked in here and you don't want to kiss me and show me emotion. There are some
hot about that right you know and another thing too if we can't use spit a lot of people got to destigmatize the idea of lube like people freak out about yeah yeah i don't think lube is crazy but i and maybe we're getting older well no i know you don't believe my man goes so many rounds so it's crazy because i do so what's crazy is he recently told me i have the wettest vagina he's ever had sex with and he's old so i'm like damn this bitch and me and my wet fucking
I'm not gonna lie, it's so wet. He like
You can drink it out of a cup. No, but I'm not going to lie. We use lube. So when he gave me this compliment, I was like, nigga, you really think that? Because we use lube. The bottle has been there for months. No, we've gone through, we've used multiple bottles at this point. For vaginal, you're saying? For vaginal and anal. And so when he told me, like, my pussy was wet, I'm not going to lie, a huge insecurity occurred.
through the whole relationship was like, damn, this nigga probably think I got a dry ass pussy because we use lube. Him being a grown ass man that he is, he was like, I use it because I know that we go for so long because I told you he'd be fucking me five times. He's like, I know that it can become painful for you. Friction. I love that. Friction. Wait, that is the best thing. If a man fucks you for a long time,
A lot of men aren't concerned with the fact that, yes, of course, a lot of women want men to go for a long time. But there's friction and it becomes painful or it can irritate it days after. This is a large complaint from film stars, OnlyFans girls, and porn stars that have sex on camera is that they're going so long and the men are never concerned with how it makes them feel. And this is...
Also, not to say that like your pussy can't get wet enough. And it's a lot of shame around like, well, your pussy should be wet. The rounds, but also if you're, if you have a fan or an AC unit blowing on your pussy, that's going to dry it up. Anything. Or there's certain times of the month where you're fucking wet for no reason.
Ovulating, yeah. You're ovulating all the time? I'm like, for no reason. You're like, no, sweetie, you're ovulating. For no reason, because your body wants to have a fucking baby, bitch.
That's why you're laughing. But you guys get what I'm saying. No, but you're right. And so I brought up the lube and I know Mandy uses it. I've used it as well. I've used this lube, bitch. I think lube can be sexy and it's like handjobs are so antiquated and they shouldn't be because it could be as sexy as you want to make it. Yeah. And it's like if you lubed it up like with a handjob and did dirty talk, I think that could be fun. But I'm a big person on mutual masturbation too. Yeah. I love like masturbating together. Mutual masturbation. And you know what? The handjob, I –
I actually have a full segment on this that I will just tell next episode. But like handjobs can be hot as fuck. And see, there you go. There's your advice. There we go. You don't have to use your mouth. Do a handjob. Yes. Yeah, we can. Yeah. Do a handjob. Okay. I think like that is great. I think we covered business, post. I don't know what else. What is the fucking arrangement? Oh, the cum bubble. We really meant to say spit bubble. No, I meant to say spit bubble.
We were talking about a few episodes on our show before about how like when you're getting throat fucked or like, you know, your throat is getting rams or whatever, sucking dick. The bubbles can come out when it's too much. And so if you're like upside down getting throat fucked like a porn star shit off the bed, you can snort it up your nose. But also if you're just sucking a dick regularly. Because you got to breathe through your nose. You could like put out, you could do a little like. Oh, spit through your nose.
No. Well, you can do that. Or bubbles. Or if they come, has a guy ever came in your mouth and it was like a lot of cum? Oh my God. Oh my God. And then you like spit it back out on the dick. That's a cum bubble too. I feel like I do that every time. Okay. You spit it back out? I think so. I try to make it sexy. Sophia, I try to spit it out and play with it so I don't have to swallow it. Me too.
I'm like, this is so hot. And it's like, I just don't want it in my tummy. Damn. Is that a way to do it? Well, when you say tummy, it doesn't really... And I think it's so hot to catch every drop. Can you imagine if someone said cum on my tummy? Guys, that's it. All right? That's it, guys.
Thank y'all. This is Mandy and Wheezy. We have to come to Utah. You do. Guys, Utah is like a hot spot. Well, I don't have a jazz player currently, but I'll let you know. No, y'all have fucking, what's Sundance in Utah? I mean, it probably won't be happening this year, but. Bitch, but we could, we'll go in the bathroom. You could just go get some drinks. Yes. We will do some shit. No, Mandy, if we go to Utah. We're going to hire fans with a COVID test. Okay, see. Okay. We will blend our ways.
our world. Mandy gone do a little bit of drugs but us, we do a little NBA player. Let's do BFF. Let's do, yes, let's do foursome NBA player. Any, any NBA players listening, slide into my DMs or Mandy or Weezy and also, sorry, not Mandy. Weezy and Zafira are available. Okay, guys,
Horrible Decisions, their podcast, literally is so fucking funny. And they talk about wild ass shit. Funny with an F. Funny with an F. I hate you. And I will see you guys next week. Bye, guys. Bye. Bye.
