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This is The Run-Through. I'm Chloe Mell. And this week, I am very lucky to be here with Willow Lindley and Margot M. Buba. Can you lovely ladies introduce yourselves? Willow has a complicated title. Yeah, exactly. That's what happens when you've been at Vogue. Yeah.

For a while. They just keep adding. Yeah. So I am the fashion market director and I am also the collaborations director, which means I oversee Vogue in the product space. So anytime you see Vogue on a T-shirt, that has been one of my projects. I'm a huge fan of your work. I have a Vogue tote bag. Wow. Thank you so much. I appreciate that.

I take tote bags very seriously. Well, you're doing a great job. And I am Margo Mbuba. I'm the Senior Beauty and Wellness Editor. Wonderful, ladies. Sadly, Choma Nadi is on her summer holiday. Not sad for her. In fact, she's back at the Olympics, which I'm very excited to hear about. And today we are kicking off three episodes.

Vogue September Issue

She has been on the cover of Vogue four times, Blake Lively. She spoke to Vogue's Hannah Jackson and Emma Spector about working with director Baz Luhrmann, who shot the September cover, her adventures in pottery making, and her latest film, It Ends With Us. I am very excited about hearing this conversation and want to hear a lot about how the shoot came to be. But first...

I want to talk to Margo and Willow about what everyone's been obsessed with this week because I think we're all Olympics addicts. Major. I was watching gymnastics. Turns out I also love men's gymnastics. That was news. That was breaking news. Pommel horse man. I mean, undeniable. Mm-hmm.

All of them, really. I mean, what a feel-good story. Hannah did a post on our Olympics boyfriends, and staff got extremely into it. Everyone had very strong feelings. Noah Lyles with his manicure to call out a beauty moment. Oh, my God. I didn't know that. I'm very into Noah Lyles' chains. Yes. His jewelry is fantastic. Hair, beautiful. Smile, beautiful. He's had his nails done. He had them at the opening ceremony, which is when I first spotted them. He was showing them off after his win. Can you describe them?

He has Olympics written on his nails, I believe. That's fab. How many characters is that? Okay, anyway. Digits. But, Noah, if you want to talk beauty, shoot me an email. It's just the first and the last name at Condé Nast dot com. I read that, Noah. Simmer down. Yeah.

I'm engaged. I'm not hitting on you. I just want to know what your skincare routine is. Well, he's pushing for an Adidas sneaker, which I think he deserves. I love an Adidas club. Oh, yeah. I saw him talking about that. He's like, no one – cleats are not it. Let's get him a sneaker. Yeah. Come on. Or spikes. What are they called? They are called – what are they called for track –

You had it right the first time. It's the same as soccer? Spikes, spikes, spikes. I learned that on the Sha'Carri shoot, actually, that we did our digital cover star. And we worked very closely with Nike before Nike had revealed the Olympic uniforms. And there was an entire debate on what kind of sneakers she should have. And...

Now I consider myself an expert on spikes. Well, I once was violently injured by spikes in ninth grade track and field. Someone stepped on my bare foot with a spike. That would be an injury. What have been people's other favorite moments? I loved yesterday the three gymnasts on the podium bowing down, Simone Biles and Jordan Childs bowing down to Rebecca Andrade, the Brazilian gold medalist who I feel like has become a real fan favorite.

The commenters on Vogue's Instagram when we posted her, it was like all of Brazil seemed to be commenting on Vogue's Instagram in like rapture over this national treasure. It was such a great moment. And Jordan Childs is the ultimate hype woman.

And watching her dance with Snoop and then watching her lead the team USA in, like, what they were going to pose on the podium or on Instagram was such a beautiful moment. That girl is organized, and she knows how to get the content. She really does. She's so fun. She's so sparkly. She just—yeah, she's sparkly is exactly the word. She kind of snaps her fingers and gets everyone in line. She's like, we're going to do this now, ladies. Come on. Get in formation. I know, and I have to say—

Not to divert from the Olympics too quickly, but big Minnesota moment with Suni Lee and Governor Tim Walz. There you go. I mean, big VP energy this morning. Oh, I'm so excited. I love every picture from the window to the waltz that I've been seeing. He gives me big Santa Claus energy in the best way possible. He's happy. I'm happy to see him. We love a family of educators. His wife, Gwen Waltz, also a lifelong educator. He has two kids.

importantly to me, he has a very handsome dog named Scout. He has a cat too. He also has a cat which Marley Marius said that he's really speaking to both sides of the aisle. Exactly. Feline and canine. Yeah. I saw a picture of him holding a baby pig. Oh. Wow, we're really interspecies. Yes. What a heartwarming summer, I think.

I mean, all these, I just, it brings, it makes me misty-eyed. The Olympics, first of all, makes me cry like nobody's business. I'll just sit at home watching these sports tearing up. And then the pictures of Tim Waltz looking like adorable with animals and happy with kids and educating his way through life. I'm excited for it.

waltz and Olympians to come together at the DNC, which I feel like is going to happen. Yes. Well, the fun thing about the Olympics for me is just like everyone's having their dream come true, which is really nice. Yeah. It's just you're seeing everyone who wins, but everyone who's there is having their dream come true. You know who's having their dream come true? Martha and Snoop. Oh. And my dream is... Snoop in his equestrian wear. They just both looked fab. Yeah. Yes. My dream is to look like Martha Stewart at 83. Wow.

Well, apparently it's the internet stream because Margot published a piece on Martha's skincare routine, according to her dermatologist, and it did bonkers traffic all weekend. It was the top-performing story by leaps and bounds. So you're not alone. She has two gorgeous, gorgeous derms here, Dr. Banu Sali and Dr. Belkin, who I don't want to brag, but I know both personally. And...

But do you know Scout Waltz? And are you aging in reverse already? Yes. Well, I mean, look at me. No, you look fantastic. And I think that they both are incredible. They're so fun. And they're both really doing like cutting edge work on Martha, but also on you. No pun intended.

Oh, well, I think that that's actually like one of the more interesting things if you read the story is perhaps there's not as much cutting as you think. I love to we love to hear it. I mean, something that was sort of a passion project for me from this past week and also. Yes.

I love Ilana Mayer. She is a center on the women's rugby team. The entire team just recently received their first medal at the Olympics. They won bronze, right? Yes, bronze. And somebody had very rudely tried to offend her in her TikTok comments saying that it looked like she had a BMI of 30. And she came back to them and said, well, actually, yeah, you're correct. I do have a BMI of like 29.4 or something she said.

And it was really interesting because I have been thinking a lot about what we consider healthy and things like that. And the BMI...

sort of body mass index test that is used widely in doctors has sort of fallen out of fashion at this point or like really isn't considered something that should be used anymore because look at her. She is a Olympian. She is muscle mass to the T and she is being given an overweight rating on this BMI index.

It's prompted a lot of these great reels, too. Like this is what a female athlete looks like, right? And trying to really hone in on all the different body types you're going to see it in Olympic Games.

Well, and we've also seen feedback on that with Iman Khalif. Oh, yeah. So Iman Khalif is an Algerian boxer who now she's made it to the final rounds of the Olympics. And she was up against an Italian woman. And Iman Khalif also is a woman. And this woman gave – the Italian woman gave the critique that she had been hit the hardest she had ever been hit before.

And that called into question a lot of things about Iman, including a lot of transphobic rhetoric and rhetoric about whether or not she should be at the Olympics when it comes to hormonal levels and things like that. And I think that it is just brought up like a lot of really scary ideas of what a woman is, quote unquote. And we've been seeing a lot of frightening conversations in the world because of it, but also—

It has brought out a lot of people like Serena Williams, other people who are the best in their game and have been critiqued in the past for having muscular physiques, something that you need when you are doing athleticism, when you are at your peak top of your game. And so, I mean, my heart really goes out to her. Also, as an Arab woman, there's a lot of gender politics that go into this and make this like a really scary time for her. Well, I do think that

That plus the BMI story, we've seen some interesting discussions around what expectations women are up against all the time. And even with Simone Biles and all the critique of her hair. I mean, it's like, leave this incredible athlete alone. I liked her video from the bus where she was like, my hair was done. It's 9,000 degrees here. Go away. Have you been to Paris recently? The air conditioning is non-existent. Yeah.

But what an era for women to also be owning this social media moment and saying, I heard what you said. Yes, yes, yes. And it's not okay. And Simone saying, I love my black job. Oh, I love my black job. That was the best tweet of the whole thing. I mean, really. We love the Olympics. We love women. I feel like Snoop and Martha at Versailles having their equestrian moment, despite Snoop being afraid of horses, admittedly. He did well. He did very well. But also, don't you feel like...

Django and Napo at Vogue World sort of preface this horse girl summer moment. Horse girl summer. I mean, fashion has been about that horse girl summer. I think we had Beyonce with, you know, Cowboy Carter. Then we had Bella Hadid at rodeos. We've had a lot of equestrian boots. And here we are. We are thriving in our horse girl summer. Gigi and Kendall got up and rode those horses through Plasmon Dome like it was nobody's business. That's right. Just joy. Just straight joy. Horse joy. Horse joy. Speaking

Speaking of joy, Willow. Yeah. I want to talk about whether you have any plans this weekend. Are you referring to Friday? I'm getting married on Friday, which I am joyful about. It's my 10th anniversary and I've decided to get married after a very long engagement. And yes, I'm very excited. It's an interesting thing to plan a wedding when you are also –

at a company where you do a lot of events. To me, what I've heard about Willow's wedding is to me it's like the dream New York City summer city wedding. Yep. We're getting married at the River Cafe in Brooklyn. I found it because I take the ferry to work from Brooklyn, from my house in Brooklyn.

And, uh, I saw it on the ferry stop at Dumbo and I thought, what a charming restaurant. And, um, it was luckily free on, on this anniversary that we were having and we decided to go for it. And actually my wedding was really a result of a conversation I had with Chloe and Edie Kiernan, who works on our events team for the Met specifically at, on Valentine's day when I was sat in between them, because that's what fashion editors do on Valentine's day is hang out with each other. Uh,

at a Tom Brown show in New York and Edie and Chloe were giving me a bit of a hard time about not having this wedding yet and so we and here we are and here we are so thank God for co-workers you know what I mean there you go but yeah right now this is actually really this is the ultimate fashion girl wedding situation my dress is lost with DHL no oh I was about to ask yeah it's lost

So we're trying to track it down. But you know what? I'm not going to get stressed. No stress. No stress. I know those people at customs. Can you tell me about the dress? Yes. It's really beautiful. Amelia Wickstead made this dress in about two weeks. Wow. And I hope she doesn't have to make one in two days. But it's great. It's a style that she did about two years ago that she's adapted in a new fabrication. It's the first time she's working with it. It's a lace dress.

brocade and it's it's very pretty it's t-length it's got a little train that zips off and i'm very excited about it and i think i could re-wear it which i think is an important aspect of a wedding when you saw it the first time were you like wow you knew immediately she and i designed it together to be honest i mean she designed it i did i did not design it but i gave feedback and we sort of went back and forth on a couple sketches and and she whipped it together super quick and i

I'm very excited. And now it's somewhere in the Atlantic. Apparently it's somewhere in rural England. And it does feel like the fashion girl dilemma, right? I mean, this is not the first time I've had a package go missing. I would like to note this is also Tuesday that we are having this conversation. Yes, thank you. And the wedding is Friday. Yeah.

I've been through worse. I'm excited about your shoe choice, I have to say. I had a dream that, like, if I was a tall person getting married in New York, I would wear the Manolo Blahnik Hanji C-flat. And that is what Willow's doing. Chloe, that is exactly what I'm doing. It's an ivory satin. I wear a black Hanji C-flat quite a lot to work.

I'm not wearing them today, but it's very similar. The Hungisi flats have a great sort of Victorian bejeweled buckle that I love. And I think they were made famous for weddings by Sex and the City because I believe it was the shoe that Big proposed to carry with. Yes. But not the flat. But not the flat. God forbid. And so I...

I thought for a minute I was like, hmm, I don't really want to go down that rabbit hole. But it is a shoe I wear all the time. I'm, again, trying to be comfortable, trying to be happy. God, big curse the hungese. Exactly. This is an exciting opportunity for me because we've been begging Willow to come on the podcast for many moons, and there's always a reason. I'm honored to be here. I have been waiting for my invite patiently, and then unfortunately I got COVID the last time I was invited. They wanted to grow you on your wedding? Yeah, exactly.

Well, I want your sort of lineup highlights for New York Fashion Week because I was eagerly listening to the run through when I was on vacation and heard Choma chatting with Hannah and Emma Spector about New York Fashion Week. And there were some surprises for me. Walk me through the highlights. Aliyah is coming to New York for the first time. You know, it's a very exciting New York Fashion Week. First of all, just to set the scene, New York Fashion Week in September is always exciting.

A party. It's so fun. It's like a back-to-school vibe. It is very back-to-school vibes. Everyone's, like, fresh from vacation, a little tan, maybe a little, you know, rosé, buzzed still. People are still drunk. One can only hope. But, you know, you're sort of riding the wave of summer. You're coming back to the city. Weather's nice. You can be swused on what ready. Weather's nice. Exactly. And it's just, it's a time for people to sort of reunite. And this fall, we have Aliyah Cumming.

Jose did a great story on Vogue.com on the 1982 collection that Azzedine Alaia did in New York and how it really sort of helped catapult his business onto the next level. And it was sort of a legendary show. And so Peter is coming back to show in New York, which is incredibly exciting. We also have I.B. showing Off-White in New York this fall, which is very exciting. Yes.

And if there's one thing I know about Off-White, not only will it be a great show, but there will be an epic party attached to that show. Okay. Do we know where the party's going to be? I don't know. The last time he did a party in New York was for his sneaker launch and Madonna showed up and I believe it went off.

all night long. And then he actually had a meeting with me here at the office the next morning, and he looked very fresh-faced, which I was impressed by. But I think that party was at Jeans, and I know Aloeve also did their Met After Party at Jeans. And between those two cool brands, I feel like Jeans will have a very busy fashion week. All right. We have a big reveal today. It is the September cover of Vogue. Blake Lively in a fashion fantasia. Blake...

came and talked to the ladies on the podcast last week. I was on vacation. And she was very excited to talk about the cover, but also tell us about her new hair care line, which Margot covered last week and got...

A lot of attention. Big controversy involved. Oh, yeah. Blake Lively launched a hair care brand at Target exclusive and it is called Blake Brown, which is named after her father and her name, obviously Blake, but Brown was her father's last name before he actually took

Her mother's last name. Love that. Yeah. And the controversy here is that she did not launch with a conditioner and she does not use conditioner at all. Now, I do want to say she uses hair masks instead. Big, big, big drama. Yes. Blake Lively does not use conditioner.

She's got a lot of locks. She uses a mask. I know. So basically, the way that she explained it to me when we were chatting was that she was on her first job. Her first job famously is Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants. Oh, yes. Of course. That was her first job? That was her first big movie. Yeah, that was her breakout role. Was that before Gossip Girl? Yes.

So while she was on set, something happened to her hair and it really messed it up. And so when she went to the salon, they told her, stop using conditioner. You should be using these masks and you should be alternating a strengthening mask, a nourishing mask.

for your routine. And so that is what she is bringing to the people at a target price point. It's so upsetting when you realize you've been doing something like washing your own hair wrong. No? I mean, I have learned a lot about how I've been washing my hair wrong this entire year because also Tina Knowles, Beyonce's mother,

literally clocked me so hard at Beyonce's hair care launch. She walked up to me just in a group of people and was like, you don't know how to wash your hair. And I was like, excuse me. Wow. So bold. Yeah. And you're like, hi, nice to meet you. I'm Margo. Yeah. Yeah. But she had told me that, like, I clearly like to leave a little conditioner on my hair when I go to the shower. And she was like, no, it should be squeaky clean. So conditioners out is what you're saying. Yeah. All of these people are saying no more conditioner.

Heard it here first. Conditioner's out. We're conditioning and it's out. We're giving you the dish? No. Crap.

If anything, you're conditioned. You were too conditioned. We were conditioned. Okay. We're moving on. Ladies, thank you so much for joining us. So many thoughts. So many things. And Willow, it's so exciting to be talking to you. Your last week as a single woman. Wow. And we're all hopes and prayers with the silk brocade, with the brocade lace. Listen, DHL will help. Don't worry. I'm going to light a candle to thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you.

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Our September cover star, Blake Lively, spoke with Emma Spector and Hannah Jackson. Emma writes about culture for Vogue, and Hannah covers all things fashion and culture. They chatted with Blake all about her new movie, It Ends With Us, as well as her hair care line, which you've already heard about, Blake Brown, and how she really is a shy person at heart.

Now, this is Blake's fourth cover, and there's a lot happening. To start with, it was photographed by Baz Luhrmann, the man behind everything from Romeo and Juliet to Moulin Rouge to The Great Gatsby and Elvis. And this shoot is really as stunning and intricate as any of his films. He wrote a script to go with it. It was set in Monte Carlo and sort of drew inspiration from classic Hollywood.

Hollywood films like To Catch a Thief. Blake stars as a cat burglar in an elaborate jewel heist. There's a very important diamond that's featured that you can read about on Vogue.com today. She's being chased by Hugh Jackman, so it's sort of a reverse of the Cary Grant, Grace Kelly dynamic in To Catch a Thief. And there's a whole cast of cameos, which you'll have to pour over to learn more. Cinematic really fits here.

This conversation with Blake was so much fun. I can't wait for everyone to listen.

So just to start off, I mean, you completed this shoot recently with Baz Luhrmann in style by Vogue's Tawny Goodman. That's, you know, for listeners, this is very old Hollywood inspired to catch a thief style spread with Hugh Jackman sort of in pursuit of you as a jewel thief. It looks so fun. I mean, what was that experience like? What was it like working with doing a fashion shoot with Baz Luhrmann? Yeah.

I love how much he loves love. I love how much he celebrates love. And I've just been a fan of his for as long as I can remember. The only poster I've ever had on my wall, as much as I was a Spice Girls or NSYNC or Britney fan, I never had the posters on my wall. But the only poster I ever had on my wall was La Boheme. And my brother had him, my brother went to it and met him and had him sign a poster for me. And it's still hung on my wall. I've just always loved Baz so much. And

I'm quite shy and I haven't done a cover in a while just because I just, I don't know. I had to a lot when I was, I mean, I was very fortunate to, you know, when I say had to, I understand how that sounds, but you know, as a shy person, you know, having to put yourself out there is more the had to piece of it. And when I was on Gossip Girl for so many years, that was just so,

often and so regular. And then once I was no longer on that show, it was just more about like promoting a movie. And then when social media exploded the way it did, I thought, oh, well, I don't, I can be in control of my own narrative and I can represent myself better than maybe someone who meets me for an hour. So yeah, so I just really didn't do magazine covers that

So when Anna came to me and she said, do you want to do a shoot? I said, oh, this is such an honor. It's Vogue. I'm so shy though, Anna, you know that because I've known her since I was 19. She's always been very kind and generous to me. And she said, well, it will be with Baz Luhrmann. And I said, okay, if it's with Baz Luhrmann, I'll do anything.

I'd love to touch a bit on what you were saying about shyness just now. You told writer Andrew Sean Greer that this was your first cover shoot in seven years, partially due to your shyness. And I think that would surprise so many people. Do you have tips for people who feel shy? Yeah.

I mean, yeah, I guess there's different ways. I'm always shocked by people who are shy. Like I was told that Steve Martin was very shy and Will Ferrell. And that was shocking to me. But then you meet them and there are a lot of people in this industry who are in this industry because they're shy actors.

because they're shy as themselves, but when they become someone else, they can sort of like open up. So I guess find that thing that allows you to express yourself and open up. So it now makes sense to me that a lot of actors are shy. Like my husband's incredibly shy as well. Like you find a medium that allows you to open up. And some people that's, I just did pottery making for the first time the other day. And this woman was saying like, I never feel better or more myself or more complete than when I'm sitting at a wheel.

So my family and my friends, like I'm wild, like I'm a crazy person. Every day is like a, you know, wacky day at school costume party. So like we're quite silly. But for people who don't know me as well, I can be shy. And I think because I'm the youngest of five kids, my mom is very, very outgoing and kind

a big, big, big personality. So I think that like, I got really like small to kind of counterbalance that. Like, oh, don't notice us. Like, oh, we're just here. So I got so much smaller because she was so big. And then I have siblings who are also quite big. So when I was in high school, I got class clown and my mom just

She thought it was a misprint. She couldn't understand because I was so shy with my mom, even though we were so, so, so, so close. Like the side of me that she saw was like her baby girl, you know, where I was like, but when I was with my friends, I was so much more silly and outgoing than I was with her. I see that with my niece as well. Now my mom sees a very outgoing side of me, but it was almost like my secret persona.

What did you make in pottery yesterday? It was like sort of like asymmetrical. I did like vases and like a jewelry like catch trade by the sink. And then like candle sticks. And it was just sort of I was going to make a cake stand, but and it was going really well. And then I looked the other way and I like I toppled off the top. Did you find it relaxing? I feel like I get very perfectionistic. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, I loved it. Yeah, I like things that are asymmetrical and sort of weird. And they gave really good advice. They did like an economy class study where they put people in pottery making and they gave two different groups of people two different tests. And they said to one group, make the best pieces you can make. And they said to the other group, make the most pieces you can make.

And the people who made the most pieces ended up making the best pieces because they had more trial and error. So they went through more in a shorter amount of time. So they got really good by the time they were done versus the people who overworked one thing. And I just thought that was really interesting and really fascinating. So, and that really helped me because I'm quite a perfectionist. So I was just like, okay, I'm just going to make as many as possible. So I cranked through it. And if it was kind of off, I just like went with it. And I ended up

really loving them. I tend to like things a little bit imperfect and chaotic. So I wanted it to have like...

I put it next to my sink so that I could put like flowers in it or also put jewelry. So this is like a jewelry tray. Oh, fun. Gorge. Is this something that your kids are into or is this like mom's mom's recuperation pottery time? My daughter really wanted to do it and I love this kind of stuff. So I was thrilled to do it. And then we went back and I love the mud fairy. So I went back and painted and like very inspired by like her stuff. So that's pretty. Yeah.

For people who can't see, it's a really pretty white vase with florals on it. Almost like a linen, like linen antique, like sheets or something. And I'm just very into florals right now because I'm promoting my movie, It Ends With Us, and I'm

Part of that shyness is like finding an angle into the fashion or the press tours because just wearing pretty clothes is always nice and always an honor. But like, again, I feel a little me, which is probably why I overdress at most events because it's like more of a character, you know, like go bigger because the more I just kind of feel neutral, I feel like me. And that started years ago with A Simple Favor.

We didn't have a lot of money. It was to like promote the movie. It was just like a small movie that like it wasn't like an event. And what people didn't really know about it. We were a few weeks from coming out and I was like, I'm just going to wear men's suits the whole time. And I also Chadwick Boseman would always wear the most beautiful suits. And I was always so blown away by how he was able to be so expressive and

And I've just found it so inspiring. So it was a mixture between watching him do that and saying like, oh, wow, he took a medium that's a little bit more limited and cracked it open. And then knowing that the movie, nobody knew about the movie. And I was like, I'm just going to wear men's suits for the whole month. And people were going to say, why is she in men's suits? And then, you know, hopefully they'll go, oh, it's because it's a movie and she wears men's suits. And it'll like lead people back to the movie because it doesn't matter how many junket interviews we do. People don't really watch that. What they do is they look at

photos and they look at photos of fashion like that cuts through or more than anything you can do is just like change clothes a lot and change clothes well when you're promoting a movie and it worked and it was crazy and I like it I had a lot of fun doing that so it's cool to see that like people have really embraced that method dressing I love that I would love to come back to style and

I have so many follow-ups to that. But first, I would love if you could tell us a bit about your fourth Vogue cover. And, I mean, that's amazing. And it was styled by Tani, who did your other shoots, I believe. Can you tell us a bit about working with her again and how that all came together? I've known Tani since I was, oh my gosh, 20? Yeah.

You know, I've known her for so long that there's a real trust and respect with her. And she's always done right by me. We've done such different covers each time. Like the first one was very old Hollywood. And then the second one was very like California, contemporary, beachy, salty. And then the next one was like in the mountains and very like Americana, Montana. So this was a totally different take. And Baz wanted to make it. He kept saying, we're making a movie. It's a we're making a mini movie.

It really did feel like a mini movie in the way that it felt more like costume design than styling or fashion design. Each one of them have, you know, because it's been quite a character. And I love that. I love stepping into that a lot more than I would if I was just like wearing pretty clothes by designers.

And Vogue always does that. Vogue storytells really, really beautifully. I shot that cover probably four times only because every time we were supposed to do a fitting with Tawny, Baz would come over and he'd end up with his iPhone and a blow dryer and whatever else was in the room taking pictures like, oh, now we're on a Vespa. Yeah.

And it was just like so much fun. And then we finished our fitting photo and she was like, I didn't get a single fitting photo. Like it was just you. Bash went off and like played dress up. It was like we played like house, but like in the most elaborate like Riviera version of house.

as kids. And then like she, so she came to my apartment and was like, okay, we'll actually get fitting photos this time. Cause there's one more look we didn't fit, but we'll, we'll fit the others just so we can get photos to share with everyone. And then it ended up with me and Baz running around the apartment again, doing a whole new impromptu shoot on an iPhone and yeah, like a camera that he's got. And then again, once again, didn't get fitting photos. So yeah,

Yeah, it was we had so much fun. We had the best time. But we still haven't got fitting photos. That's so funny. You mentioned playing dress up because I think Tani mentioned that your kids were at one of your fittings and we're having a great time. Are they kind of young enough that you can be like a shoot is actually dress up? Like, do they enjoy that kind of thing?

I mean, they get our jobs. They know what they understand. And they're with us everywhere. So, yeah, we always include them in it. Like, this is our life. We don't include them in anything publicly, but privately, they're...

with us everywhere we go, almost to a level where it's like inappropriate. I'm like, bring them with me always. But yeah, I want them to see all of that. Like how special is that? And Baz is a perfectly functioning, beautiful, accomplished grownup who has all of that spirit of childhood. And like, that's why it's so fun to play with him. And that's why it's so fun. You know, we work together, but it felt like

When you're doing work like that, it feels like play. And I love that my kids get to see that. Absolutely. I would be remiss if I didn't ask if there are any specific pieces in your wardrobe that you're saving for your kids.

I'm a hoarder. So honestly, I'm like saving like the Kate Moss for Topshop collection. Like, just like, I really like don't, there's no like high, low saves. Like I just kind of save it all. And I archive all my gowns that I wear, you know, so I really, or catsuits, whatever I wear.

So it's going to be a very elaborate prom for my kids. You know what? It's every kid's dream or adults at least, but. Adult's dream. Every adult's dream. My best friend's mom has all this like vintage Bob Mackie. Wow. Insane stuff that she really like saved up for and like collected it over time. It's all just sitting in a bag. And I was like, let me wear it. Like, let me wear it. And you can save it in a bag for your kid. Cause she's like, I'd never wear it. I'm saying it for my kids. I was like, can I wear it in the meantime? Um,

Oh, yeah. I love I love that. I love vintage shopping and and treasures. Yeah. If we see you and Bob Mackey, we'll know where you got it. Yeah, exactly. When I see Angelina Jolie's kids wearing her clothes on the red carpet, I'm like this. She's she's got a good lint roller. And I tend to tend to avoid photos of people's children, like even if they're on a red carpet. I don't know. I think because of just my own experience and how I feel about that, like I like just don't like look or click.

But I got to see that because it's cool that their kids do that. Yeah, it's sweet to see. Yeah. Your shoot was so insane. It was so cinematic and beautiful. And I mean, you know, we were just totally drooling over the clothing and the jewelry. So I have to ask if there is like one item from the shoot that you could, you know,

steal, if you will, in a nod to the photos, what would you take for yourself? There's an incredible woman named Shelly and she has this company on Instagram called Particulars. And she finds vintage jewelry and a lot of it are like fancy signed pieces. And then sometimes it's just something that's just like really special that may be signed or not. Or maybe it's a designer that you know and it's unsigned because it was like a mold of something or, you know,

The same factory, but not that designer. But anyway, she just has amazing, amazing taste. And she's a great writer. She's a journalist and a treasure hunter. But there's this piece that she found, this ring that had these two sapphires in it. And it was a, is it called Toi Moi? I think that's what it's called. Oh, Toi Moi. Yeah. And so she posted this ring and I was like, oh, can I wear this? Can I borrow this?

And so she sent it over during the shoot and I put it on during the shoot and it's in some of the photos and then like in the layer when I like steal stuff, the boxes in there. And

I'm wearing the ring in a couple of the photos. And I was like, I think I need to buy myself this ring because Lorraine shorts taught me something. She's like, it doesn't need to be expensive. Like it can be like, it could be this costume jewelry for all that matters. But like, if you buy yourself jewelry, just because you're never really going to wear it when you buy yourself something, when there's a special occasion to remember something by, because then it always has meaning. And if it has meaning, you'll wear it. And I thought, wow,

This is special. I'm working with Baz Luhrmann, my favorite director of all time. I'm shooting the September issue of Vogue. I'm getting to like make a mini movie or capture something that's a reference to, you know, one of the most iconic movies and getting to work with

My husband's best friend, who's like a family member to me, Hugh Jackman, like this is an occasion worth commemorating. And sapphires are the September color. This is all the logic I do to justify it. So I bought myself that ring. Like I really splurged and bought myself that ring. I was polling everyone like Baz and CM and Tanya. I was like, what do you think? The crew members, which I was like, this is, you know, you guys probably think I'm insane. I'm not.

And so I did steal a piece, but I did pay for it. Conceptual stealing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's great to mark an occasion with something special like that. Yeah, it's really special.

We're so excited about your new film coming out on August 9th called It Ends With Us, which is based on the uber popular book by Colleen Hoover. You'll be starring alongside Justin Baldoni, who also directed the film, and you'll also be sharing the screen with Jenny Slate. Can you tell us a bit about your familiarity? Did you read the book before? What was it like working with Justin, bringing that whole story to life?

Jenny Slate, my God, she's really incredible. But I actually didn't know the book, which I feel like I live under a rock for not knowing that. But Colleen Hoover's work, I mean, her batting average for like books that make the bestsellers list is wild. Like I've never seen it's like must be rigged. No, but like when you spend time with her, you understand like she's very unique.

very, very grounded is so funny. Like she's such a sniper in a way that she doesn't seem like she would be funny. I wanted to be a part of something that resonated with so many people and to be able to bring that to the screen was a really exciting thing. Also, I, after I had kids, I don't, the days where I would like move to North Carolina for three months to go be in an independent movie that challenged me that like,

no one ever saw like or would see like that was fun at that time in my life but but I like my my personal life too much I like my kids too much I like my husband too much

to go and do that. Like I have other forms of, of creative expression and I have other businesses. Like I have Betty buzz and also Betty booze and my haircare line, Blake Brown, which launched August 4th in target and on Blake brown, beauty.com. So I have businesses where I'm able to completely fulfill my time and my day and things that I'm

so involved in every level of product development to packaging, to creative directing, to storytelling, to all of it that like acting is, is something that I get to do that I don't have to rely on as my full-time job. And so if I'm going to do it, I want to do it, begin going back to being a shy person and also going back to the fact that like, it tends to make you, it uproots your family. Like you move to a different location usually for many, many, many months. And it's a multi-year undertaking. So I,

Only want to do it if I feel like people are going to see it and they're going to it's going to bring joy or it's going to create love. And that doesn't mean that it's all going to be like light and comedy and fluffy, like special thing about it. And with us is there's so many different facets to it.

Her story, there's so much levity, there's so much love, there's so much joy, there's so much hope, there's so much optimism, but there is so much pain and trauma and sadness. And to have a story that really covers the entire spectrum of human emotion was really, really, really cool. And to know that that has already landed with so many people, yeah, it was just sort of a no brainer.

So just to loop us back to A Simple Favor, a movie I always want to be talking about, you mentioned developing your look and having this really exciting sort of suiting moment. And I'm so desperately curious to know if there's anything you can tell us about

fashion that's featured in the sequel or, you know, without giving too much away, should we expect similar looks? Yeah, I think I'm nearly exclusively wearing couture in the sequel because it's my wedding in Capri, which I always said Capri, but I didn't know it's Capri. But yeah, I'm wearing Tamara Ralph couture in a lot of it because, I mean, her work is just like

divine. We ended up just sticking to almost exclusively her pieces. I feel like Emily, what's fun with her is that she's always like fucking with people via fashion. It's a way to like poke and prod at people and to be mischievous. And so I was like, I think that she should just be in like a like a prison suit, but like a

couture. We wanted it to feel more like old-timey. So she found this old-timey linen, and it's like a horizontal striped suit. I've got all these chains on and these Louboutin boots that are studded. What Emily would do is like, you sent me to jail, and now here I am, and I'm back, and I'm celebrating the thing that you did versus running from it or hiding. She embraces it and puts it in people's face. Yeah, to me, it gives me a real...

or confidence as the character when I have a weigh-in with fashion like that. But yeah, I think most of my wardrobe weighed about 40 pounds. It was, yeah, that's my cardio. And this was all in Capri in summer or not in summer? Okay. Oh man. Okay. Impressive. Fitness and fashion all in one. Yeah.

Yeah, Louboutin always plays a big role because like on the first movie, I went to our DP, John Schwartzman, and like Paul Fee, our director, was the inspiration for the fashion being such a key piece of it because you meet him, he is always properly dressed. He's like apologizes if it's dinner time and he's not in a dinner jacket. Like it's just very, very, very proper. So he understood the importance of Louboutins, but I went to our DP who shot everything. Like he shot everything from like Michael Bay movies to Jurassic Park to these ones, but like, you know, different strokes for different folks, right? So I was like,

shoes are very important. I'm going to need you to get my shoes. Cause like he was getting me coming down the stairs once. And I was like, you've brought my feet out. Let's get the shoes. And he was like, Oh, let me do a special on the shoes. So he like puts a shiny, a light like to hit the glimmer. And then just like you tell that man something once and it happens every time. So my shoes ended up becoming like a through line in the movie and like a way in which like you'd see like a different gear of Emily. Like, you knew by what shoes she was wearing. You're like, Oh, I know what's up now. Oh, I can't wait to see. Yeah.

I would love to, you know, talk about your own personal fashion. You mentioned earlier, and I think it's like something that's quite well known about you probably, but you are your own stylist. Can you tell us a bit about the process for picking out something to wear for, you know, say a premiere or even like something major like the Met?

Yeah, it's always like finding a theme, finding a way in. So if there's already a theme, like if, you know, you can lean into what the movie has or the Met, it's like, OK, well, what is the way in to that? And then I just like go online, like, you know, Vogue.com, I genuinely use Vogue.com is what I use and then just screenshot. And Molly, who's been working with me for years, we just like

screenshot things on Vogue.com and then call the designers like we're with relationships with all of them at this point I've been doing this for so long then they'll send stuff over and I'll try it on and fit it and then you know when it's something that I have the opportunity to create a custom piece I'll

that's always special. So like the Met, I get really involved. I'll give them a direction. They'll send a bunch of sketches and okay, I like the embroidery of this one. I like the shape of the bust on this one. I like the bustle on this one. I like the color of this one. So like now let's like bring it all together and like what's the way in and like what's the reference, the architectural reference to this one that's like here, but this, you know, it's really just kind of like getting different things and then

bringing it together. And then a lot of like iPad or iPhone doodling, like draw on things like no this here and this there. And then I end up just like once the piece gets like, you know, 70% there. That's usually just like everything else is just made on my body.

tailoring is like 90% of look being great. So like the Versace catsuit that I wore the other day was sent to me on Friday and it was very different than it looked on the red carpet. Oh. Like,

probably 30% the amount of embroidery that it had, but they had it all there. And then we just like literally piece by piece, like inch piece by inch piece, just laid it on my body. And I was like, I feel like we need to like shape out my boobs a little more, like shape up the waist. Like, oh, it's a little bit weird. Like where the leg breaks because it's a satin material. So like, let's put embroidery there and like just start like creating lines and pinning it to my body, like on my body. So I'll do like a two, three hour fitting of just like

pinning embroidery on. But like it makes all the difference because like when you get to do something like that, you know, it's cheating. When people are nice and compliment me on the clothes I get to wear, like I have access to the best people, the most talented people in the world making these pieces. I feel so grateful to get to play dress up like I do. And I really like respect and honor the people who do it and like make sure to take care of them. Like they've stayed up all night working

Because we didn't have enough time for that Versace one. So I sent him a bunch of insomnia cookies because I was like, they'll be hot. Like it's only going to deliver at one in the morning. Yeah, I just like I just feed people when I'm like, thank you. My version is feeding and flowering them.

That's so kind. I feel like I have encyclopedic memory of every time anyone's ever sent free food to the Vogue office. That's so true. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It sticks in your brain forever. Yeah, it absolutely does. Even though it's never for me, I'm just getting in there anyway. But you know what? It's like I got sent a cake recently and I'm like, what am I supposed to do with an entire cake? So everyone really wins. It's so...

Yeah, that's nice. Lucy from Lucy, they make really good cakes. Oh, that's where it was from. It was so great. Leslie's son, who's on this call on mute, my publicist of forever. She used to be like, OK, someone would do something nice. They'd invite me to an event or they would. And she'd be like, OK, I sent them flowers for you. Like, what's your note? What's the note? And I'm like, what? She's like, send me a note. I'm going to send them flowers for me. And she would make me like homework.

She would send Eleni cookies to be around back then, like those great, like, cute custom cookies. And then...

I learned to do that because she was always like, if people take care of you, big and small, take care of them. Yeah, we should all kind of look out for each other. But from Lucy, that's a fancy person. Oh, it was amazing. It was the best day of my entire life, maybe. Was I in the office? You certainly were not. You were not. It was so...

You know, I, like, slacked it out. It was a big deal. We were all very excited. Yeah, I'll send you insomnia cookies, and it will not... This was not, like, us being like, please send us food. I know, like, you know, it's so nice when celebrities send us food. No, I think it always feels so unnecessary. You mentioned sapphires. I've never been on a podcast where they sent me sapphires, and they'd be crazy. Oh, my God. You guys are so nice. Yeah.

Oh, just to briefly take us back to fashion, your Super Bowl look, the Balenciaga Adidas collab, the red tracksuit is one of my favorite looks of yours ever. And I'm I'd love to know, like, was that a process of trying on different looks where you immediately like this is it?

I mean, I again, I like a theme. So I was just trying on red and white looks. And I had one that was a lot more like ladylike and just like counter to like sporty, a sporty look. And I was actually leaning towards that. And my my husband and friends were like, go to the Super Bowl, go to the Super Bowl. Like, oh, don't counter it. Just go to it. And I was like, OK, that sounds fun. But like I wanted to find a way where it felt like.

honest to me, which is if I'm going to go somewhere quite public, that's a sensory overload or too much stimulation like that. As a shy person, I have to like go bigger, you know, because then it feels if I just kind of felt like me standing there in a tracksuit, I would have just been a little nervous. But if it felt like a like a character almost in the look, then I could be more me or in my skin because it's almost like a

protective layer, if that makes sense. So once I was like, okay, I could do like kind of like 80s curls, like just big, gorgeous hair, like just too many bangles, just stacked and chunky and like chunky necklaces. Then like, I feel like I have like a way in. So yeah. And I brought a little piece of my husband with me because I had the Deadpool and Wolverine friendship bracelets. They had the charms. And he showed me that morning on FaceTime that they existed. And I was like, in real life, where? He said in California. I was like, I'm in California.

Your hair care line, Blake Brown, is coming out on August 4th, which is so exciting. And, you know, you can't have good style without good hair to go with it. So can you tell us a bit about that?

This is something that I've worked on for seven years now, which is wild. Other than motherhood, it's been the most all-consuming thing that I've done in my life. But I'm just so proud of it because it was important to me to create something that wasn't out there. I didn't want to just create a product to create a product. I wanted something that it was all of the things that I needed to have healthy hair and beautiful hair. It needed to have incredible performance.

It needed to be at a mass price point or masti, which is the word that's used in the hair space. And it needed to smell amazing because whatever's in my hair lasts the longest. And those were very hard to hit all of those things. And I'm very all or nothing and I'm quite uncompromising when it comes to creation. And that's why it took seven years.

We've got mousse and we've got dry shampoo and we've got things that are give you that like whatever glam look you want to go for. This is the core unit of products that you need to take care of your hair. Amazing. I'm hopeful to try it myself. You have great hair, so I trust you. I'm so enticed by the idea of my hair smelling like a fancy candle. Yeah, you like salivate when you smell it. What is that?

My gosh, that sounds amazing. Speaking of hair, you were tangentially referred to as a crown straightener for other women and, you know, always lifting people up and making sure that the people in your life show up as their very best selves. And

I'd love if you could share a bit about what you think the secret is to maintaining these like deep, long-term, meaningful friendships, even when you're so busy with, you have all these projects and I'd love to know how you make time for the people in your life that you care about. Yeah.

All of my friendships in my life are people who are crown straighteners, are people who build me up to my best, highest self. When I'm feeling good or when I'm feeling down, they're always reminding me of who I am. And that reminder is always like the most aspirational version of me. And they're also not people who I feel, I feel like they're people who are direct, but people who will be hard on me when they're like, hey, here's where I see you struggle or here's where I think, you know,

they'll love me well. And then they also give me the grace to do that for them. Because sometimes you get in those friendships where they give it, but they can't take it. I have a very mutually respectful friendship. The ones that are the most lasting are that. So yeah, I think it's just about surrounding yourself with people who genuinely want to see you soar and surrounding yourself with people who you genuinely want to see soar and fly with. That's it.

Well, this was amazing. Thank you so much, Blake. We are so appreciative of you and your time. And we can't wait to see your cover in the wild. We're so excited. Thank you so much. Nice to talk to you. You too. Have a good one. You too. Bye. Bye.

That's it for the show. Next week, we have got Choma's first ever September issue. And I can't wait for you guys to hear all about it. We have a really fun behind the scenes play by play. Stay tuned. Bye, everybody. Bye.

The Run-Through is produced by Susie Lechtenberg, Chelsea Daniel, Joanna Solotaroff, and Dan O'Donnell. It's engineered by Jake Loomis and James Yost and mixed by Mike Kutchman. Chris Bannon is Condé Nast's head of global audio.

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