Jenny McCarthy: On Vow Renewals, The Vatican and The Very Scary Pill on a Plane 53:43

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Somebody got to cue me or do I cue myself? Cue yourself. Okay. Okay, so let's do it. Yeah, let's do it. I mean, we've been doing it, but let's do it some more. Jan, I want you to do it again because I like the way you do it. Oh, come on. This is your show. Come on, just do it. Hey, we're back with Let's Talk Off Camera, so let's get talking. Very good, Jan. Thank you.

Now that I know that your dad listens, I feel like we need to incorporate more Jan. He's the number one listener. I want your dad to like me. He's going to flip out over the period episode. My dad loves you.

Well, he loves you more. We just want to make him happy. Yes, exactly. I got it. This is all for you, Dad. Does Elaine listen to this podcast? Elaine barely knows how to FaceTime. It's like your father. Getting them to understand a phone, forget it. Please, I could go on and on. Today, we're going to be joined by New York Times bestselling author, actress, comedian, and judge on The Masked Singer, Ed.

She's like a makeup baroness, by the way. Yes, she is. Yes. That's right. We're talking to Jenny McCarthy-Wahlberg today. Let's talk. You know, Jenny, you recall, Albert, because I feel like you came every week to the tapings of Hope and Faith. Oh, all the time. When Jenny McCarthy was on Hope and Faith, Faith Ford and I...

Well, we would start everything by singing 8-6-7-5-3-0-9 to her. Because we would just be like, Jenny, Jenny, who can I turn to? Oh, you're going to have to do that again. And she was like, yes, everybody in school. Everyone in the world. And then we would say, Jenny, tell us a story. And she would tell us a story.

That would leave us in tears, tears streaming down our faces. Every word she utters is absolute gold. I'm going to see if I can get her to tell the MTV...

movie awards that she hosted wearing a Dolce & Gabbana dress. It is a showstopper. Oh, let's hear it. Do we want to talk about you and Isaac Boots and your scintillating... Oh, we have to. All right, this is just a quick thing. So I went away for the weekend. Glenn and I went on a trip this weekend. He's been feeling a little bit better, so he wanted to take advantage of it. It's our anniversary and his birthday, so we went to the Bahamas. We land...

We go to the place where you meet the cars. And they're like, what's your name? And I said, it's Glenn and Jan Wiener. And then I hear, what's your name? And I hear, Isaac Boots. And I was like, what?

No. I turn around, Isaac's there. Now, Isaac and I had been texting earlier that morning about the Madonna episode. So we both looked at each other and said, you know, what are you doing here? And he said he was on a, listen to this, a fitness retreat with goop. With goop. Oh, it's Isaac Boots times goop. Times goop. Oh. At the hotel I was staying at. Oh.

Oh, well, if it was a goop approved hotel, then it had to be pretty fucking swanky. It was swanky. So he said, why don't you come? And I said, well, I didn't sign up for this. And he said, you'll be my guest. So I show up to these classes. With the. With all the influencers. With the goopers. With the goop influencers. Yes. So every single mat has a telephone, no, set up on a tripod to film themselves working out. And.

And each girl is wearing diamonds. One girl had a whole thing of pearls around her neck that each pearl was like the size of my wrist. Like they were huge. I'm like, who,

works out like this. So I crashed the event. They did have like some really great gift bag that I really kind of wanted to steal. Like I was there. So I didn't, I didn't, I left without the gift bag. We'll call Isaac and ask him to swipe the one. Yeah. Anyway, it was, it was such a coincidence. I was not the best in class, but it was. How about her ass? Jan, your ass is amazing. Oh, well, thank you guys. You made the gram. Yeah.

I made an Isaac Scrapp. I felt bad because there's all these influencers there and he puts me on his Instagram. Yeah, because you had the hottest ass. And you were killing in the class. Sorry, goop influencers. Sorry, Jan's dad. Anyway, it was such a random coincidence. Yeah, sorry, Jan's dad. Sorry, dad. Sorry, Jan's dad.

Wait, did you have sex with Glenn? Sorry again. I did. I did have sex with Glenn. He did faint on the second morning we were there. I think it was all too much too soon. The sex, the tequila, the gambling. Right, right. All of it. The sun, all of it. Right, right. Then we got him back to life. I posted a picture and I said, weekend at Bernie's. I saw it. I saw it. A dead body husband that day.

It's like, if you know, you know. And I was like, I don't know what's happening. Yeah, I didn't know that. I didn't know what that was. You know the reference to We End Up Burning, right? So I was saying like, we prop up the dead guy. I was hoping it was like his favorite movie. No, it was something.

Was it the sex, the tequila, or the gambling, or the sun that did it, do you think? Dad, I'm going to say it was the sun. Anyway, he was feeling a lot better. We gambled. We did well at the tables. Paid for the trip. Excellent. And here we are. Here we are doing a podcast. Do you feel the need to have more sex with him because his last name is Wiener?

We don't have to edit any of this out. Sorry, Jan's dad. More like a cocktail wiener. Glenn said to say that he's a footlong. No, now it's like a real full wiener. Now it's an Oscar Mayer. Oh, Oscar Mayer. Excellent. It should not be Oscar Mayer. It should be Hebrew National. Let's be smart. Let's be sensitive. Jewishness.

Okay, I don't even know how to segue. She's here. She's ready. She's here. She's ready. She looks gorgeous. She's so... Hi, Fred. Hi. Let's talk about Jenny McCarthy, who is joining us now. Now, as you know, this is an off-camera podcast, hence the look of me, the undead. But I want to describe you right now, okay? Jenny McCarthy...

has her chic French girl, Bob. It seems to, is it braided on the side? Is that a side French braid? You know, I was in a hurry and I couldn't do anything with my hair. And I literally went from the gym to here and had to throw on makeup because I have a meeting after this too. So I threw a braid in and just tucked it. So chic.

You look so good. I love this. Like, is it a mock turtle sleeveless? I like to think that you are in a thong bodysuit while you're talking to us. Am I right? Confirm or deny? You are incorrect because at this age, I don't want nothing.

Nothing. I just can't do it anymore. Even Masked Singer, like when I'm in those dresses, I'm like, get me out of them as fast as possible and put me in some sweatpants. No, I want everything tight now because I want it to be skin that holds in my skin. That's when I sleep, Kelly. I wear body contouring like compression tops.

They're my boobs. Otherwise, they'll go off the bed. Okay. Tell me about your boobs because I want to talk boobs right now. I have – I've always been mostly flat chested my entire life except for when I was pregnant and nursing. And even then, I went from like A to a double A. Okay.

And today, I don't know why I'm touching them, but I am. Today, we had this married couple that are going to the Olympics. They're both on the fencing team, the U.S. fencing team. And I got to wear, underneath my fencing costume, is that you wear a breastplate or a chest plate. A breastplate. A breastplate. And it gave me boobs. And so now I've decided...

That I need a boob job because I looked so cute. You're so funny. I looked really cute with titties. You've gone this long without them and they've looked so good and so beautiful. I am jealous. If I can time machine back.

I probably wouldn't have a career if I had enough tits. But I'm so envious when I see women with their real boobs. I'm like, these are just, I'm so over them. I've had an appointment to get them taken out. Do not. Do not.

I just have to get them fixed though, because one right now is going this way. I've got the boob tape on to kind of keep them in front of me. But they're just, one is literally like a lazy eye. I have a lazy boob. It's like one's looking that way. Well, I always thought because they were small, they would just stay put, but it's full net geo now. I get it. Now it's an A long. You know, if we're going to go there,

There's other body parts that I did not realize would be falling apart as well. Yeah, never do a downward dog. It's true. Don't do it. It really is true.

Don't do a downward dog. It'll break your heart. I did a downward dog in shorts. I was in the Caribbean. I took a class like an asshole. And I was in shorts. And it was overhead lighting. It was sunlight. And I did a downward dog. And I went, what happened here? Right? Yeah. Right? I know. I know. I'm like, what is going on?

on. But, you know, I always have to stop and say, I'm healthy. I'm happy. I found the love of my life. I can't complain. Like, aging's going to happen. I can do my best to stay healthy. You're gorgeous. I mean, you are just gorgeous. And on top of that, you are one of, I was telling these guys before, and I don't know if you want to

I don't know if you will regale them with the story, but I was recalling how when we worked together on Hope and Faith, Faith Ford and I would get so excited when we would see your name on the call sheet and read your name in the script. We would get so excited because we're like, Jenny's coming and she's going to tell us stories. And at lunchtime, we would say, Jenny, tell us a story. And you always told us stories.

the best stories. But you told us a story about hosting the MTV, was it the International Movie Awards, Video Awards? That's right. I don't have a problem telling this story. Okay. Please tell the story because it, I still, I tell it to other people. Oh.

It's crazy. Okay. So I was asked to host the very first MTV, I think it was either music awards in Italy, Milan, Italy. Okay. So it was like a big honor. I've never been in front of 70,000 people. Literally the stadium was filled. It was a, it was such a huge deal in Italy that I had every designer reaching out. Now this is a little me. I'm from the

from the south side of Chicago. I just got done selling Polish sausage the year prior. This is all very new to me. Okay. So they're like, you know, Donatella wants to dress you. Dolce & Gabbana want to dress you. So I'm like, well, I'll do half the first show in Versace, the second part of the show in Dolce & Gabbana. So I go out and host and it's amazing. I've never experienced anything like that in my life. And

And then I go backstage. I change. I put on Dolce & Gabbana. I go out there. I finish the show. I'm on a high. I'm like, this is so fun. I'm so happy. And I'm walking backstage, high-fiving people. And I'm with my manager. And there's so many people, like, coming up to you. You know how people swarm you? So there was this guy that was, like, making a beeline towards me. And he looked really intense. And I was like, eee.

And so even my manager kind of pushed him against the wall, like, and got me back to my dressing room. I'm like, boy, it's crazy out there. Cut to maybe seven minutes later.

So I opened the door and it's that guy that was beelining me. So now I'm thinking he's came to kill me. Right. And now he storms in and like pushes me kind of back with his finger screaming going, how dare you do not recognize me? I'm sorry for my bad Italian. No, that's okay. How dare you not recognize me? Do you see my face? How do you not see my face? And no, it's not me. How do you not know?

you not know it this is me I am Gabbana of Dolce and Gabbana now I'm in the chair trembling I am 23 you know I mean yeah you're young I was a baby I was just milking I was just putting milk in a bag and sausage in a bag a year ago so I'm shaking and I'm like oh my god Mr. Gabbana I had no idea I had no idea and he goes I want you to take that dress off right now and give it back to me and I'm like

I was so stunned that he wanted me. And I said, right, right now? Right now. And my manager's like, you got to get out of here. Get out of here. And he's like, Gravana starts screaming at me more that I'm disrespectful and how dare I. And so my manager pushes him out, closes the door. And now I'm bursting a tear. So I'm like, I'm so sad. This is so bad. Just from a high to the biggest low. Right. The biggest low. Right. Then, because it ain't over.

I know. I know where this is headed. I open the door, and it's Gabbana and the Italian police brigade. The Cavianetti. Yes, right. Terrifying. Scary. And they are very scary looking, you know? And they're in their uniforms, and they say, you must take off the dress. And I'm like, oh my God. So he's like, take it off. So I close the door, and I'm crying, and I'm peeling it off like a banana. And I'm just like, look, look, look.

So I open the door and I throw it at him. Look at what I want. And he goes, no, I want zebra.

Then I had to take the bra off and throw it at him. Now I want the shoes. So I take the shoes, throw it at him. Yeah, I would have kicked them right up through the door. Totally. And then they left and I just sunk to the bottom of the floor crying in my just underwear. And I'm like, oh my God! Crying. And my manager's like, you got to get your shit together because Donatella invited us to her dinner party at her house. With my

With Madonna. And there's only like five other people. Now, again, someone told me I was going to go. I didn't really understand who Donatella was. I knew Madonna. Like I knew Madonna. And Madonna, you know, growing up, you know, like a virgin. We had a Rosary of Catholic schoolgirl. I was all over Madonna. Right, of course.

I was living for this moment and I was like vomiting tears that I could not even go to the dinner. All I wanted to do was go home and curl in a ball and weep and weep and weep and weep because it was so traumatic. I've never had anyone scream at me like that in my entire life. It's so traumatic that I still tell the story 20 years later and it didn't happen to me. Isn't it nuts? And then everybody, here's the finale. After I cried myself to bed,

Flew back home. About a week later, I got a package in the mail. And it was a note and a box from Dolce. And inside the box was the dress. And the note from Dolce said, I apologize for Gabbana's behavior. Here is the dress. Stop it.

So Dolce did a whole. What the fuck kind of good cop, bad cop is that? Yeah, Dolce cleaned up the mess. He was a cleaner. That is crazy. That's insane. No, I wish I would have held on to that for the sentiment. And I have the dress.

I bet you threw it right in the trash. I threw it right in the trash. And you know, it took me about 20 years to wear Dolce & Gabbana again. Yeah. Their latest collection was so good. I just had to get it. I know. I know. I get it. I get it. I know. But I'd limit it. I'd limit it. Kind of like Joker. You know what I mean? Yes. Right. Just a skosh.

Of Dolce and Gabbana, but mostly Dolce. Right. I've got... Gabbana was the bad one. So just if anyone wants to know, Gabbana was the bad one. Because they were like an angel and a devil. That's right. That's right. Don't hurt her. Give her the dress. Fuck her. She did not know my face. Can you imagine doing that to somebody that's like 23? Just this little girl that doesn't know any better. Like, it was crazy. No. But that wasn't the last time I've been screamed at either. I mean...

There's been some, I have, like, you know, like when I went to the show with you, I just have this plethora of stories that someday I really have to do the Hollywood version. I feel like you need your own Jenny McCarthy Wahlberg story hour.

Where it's like once a week at midnight, the episode drops. It has to be at midnight because midnight is like when the scary things happen. But you tell the Dolce & Gabbana story. You tell the story about the time you took Ambien and flew from LA to Chicago. You tell, like, you tell, I know, you just tell the stories that you told Faith and me all

During lunch, and you will have 12 trillion followers. Now I need to hear the Ambien story. Tell Jan the Ambien story.

Oh my God. Okay. So I'm calling it ambient for the sake of being ambient. I'm not quite sure what that bitch gave me, but yes, but it was something. So I was in LA and I was currently just living there and I was just like crowned playmate of the year. So they're like, we need you to go back to Chicago to do a convention where you take pictures with people.

Playboy readers. Playboy readers. Right. Actually, it was photographer. It was a photography convention, but they got to shoot models that were there. So they hired Playmate to be there.

I have to take a red-eye flight, and I'm really worried about not sleeping. So I was like, what am I going to do? Now, the worst thing I ever took was maybe Advil at this time. Well, maybe that's not true. In college, I had some fun with some acid, but that's a different story. Those were like illegals. Right.

Advil is like the gateway drug. Yeah. Next thing you know, you're on NyQuil. Exactly. Like I wish I would have just taken a Benadryl. So this playmate goes, here, just take this and you'll be out. And when you get to Chicago, you'll be fresh as a daisy. So I was like, okay, pop the pill. The next thing I know-

The flight attendant is shaking me. Like there's multiple flight attendants shaking me. Literally like, you know, in that movie airplane where they're like, they shake that woman, they're smacking the woman, shaking her. That was my scene of being shooken. And they're like, ma'am, ma'am, you have to wake up. And I was like, literally drooling. Okay.

So they had to have someone help me like find my car. I don't remember. This is all easy. It's kind of a dream, but I remember help being carried a little bit. I get put in a car and I,

pull up to my house and the driver is carrying me to the door and i ring the doorbell and my mom is in hysterics my midwest she's like oh my god what's wrong with you look what happened in los angeles you're all drugged up i can't believe this so all i brought with me because i i had a quick turnaround the driver was waiting for me to take me to the convention center to the event for the events

So my mom's like splashing water in my face, trying to like clear me up. I go, mom, and I pull out of my purse, my outfit. Okay. That I'm supposed to wear. Cause that's all I brought. And it was like one of those cheap little tiny dresses that you can crunch in a ball and you pick it up and there's no wrinkles. I think I got up like $6 somewhere. So I'm like, my, you need to, you need to like maybe get the, I think I had like a little, um,

I don't know, some type of a little tiny stain on it. Guacamole or something. She's like, oh my God, I don't think this is a really good material to try to do that. Let me just try to use my nail to crust it off. I'm like, okay, whatever. So she gets me dressed and literally my mom is getting me dressed. Like a child. Like a child. I'm still kind of slurring. She's putting food in front of me right now. And all of a sudden I start talking to her and I go,

and I completely shit myself in the drink. I'm supposed to leave in five minutes. I only have this and my mom wears muumuu's. My mom only has Mrs. Rupert muumuu's. And we are in like bumfuck. Like you can't even, like we were so far away. So I was like, oh my God. And I just immediately have like some tears falling down my eyes.

My mom started screaming. She's like, Jenny McCarthy, Jennifer Aniston. And she strips me down. She runs. Remember, she couldn't even get the little guacamole thing out. But now she has it underneath the sink and scrubbing and scrubbing and scrubbing and then taking an air dryer to it. A blow dryer? Yeah. So now it's like. That'll fix it.

It's damp and I smell like shit. He tosses me back into the limo. And you know, those limos back then were like those. Yeah, they were giant. Right. So I got, I know the driver was like, man, this girl is fucked. Yeah.

So I pull up to the convention and by this time I'm starting to get sober and clear because I'm mortified, like really mortified. And so I have to go and I stand there and have to get, there's about 200 dirty men standing

Standing in line waiting to take a picture with me and I literally was just like trying to be as far away as possible. Right. But I know. I know I smelled like shit the entire time. Yeah, but they assumed it was them, not you because they were probably like, you know, they assumed they were like, oh my God, I met Jenny McCarthy. I was so nervous. I shit myself. Can I tell you, I walked in and out like a South Park character because I didn't want to turn around. Yeah.

I'd enter the booth and I'd exit the booth like that out of fear.

We need to do this story hour. Story hour with Jenny McCarthy. What's a good night? Friday night at midnight? Yes. Any night at midnight. Friday night at midnight, the episode drops and she takes us on a journey. But it's always like a slightly horrific. Totally. This is going to be the best podcast. It's going to win. This will win a Peabody Award. I'm telling you. But you know what I'd want to do, Kelly? I'd want to do reenactments with it.

I want to do like drunk history with it. Oh, amazing. Moments of like reenacting it would be so. I will play Gabanna. Oh my God. That would be so great. You reunite with somebody in every episode. Yeah. And every episode we'll have some person play themselves. I love it. It's such a good idea.

Jan, get on this, Jan. Okay, we'll produce it. We're going to produce it. You know, though, I will say that about you, Kelly, if I don't mind taking a departure for a second, because you have been a very instrumental part of my journey. Like,

You know, there's just moments in your life that you remember. And then there's some that just blur away. And I say this every time I come on your show. I'm like, I love this woman. I love her so much. When my son was diagnosed with autism. And I think I've told you this many, many times, but I found out Evan was diagnosed with autism. And I was, you can imagine what one goes through. It was the end of my life. It was devastated. I had to go home and pack a suitcase and,

to get on a plane immediately to go on your show.

And all I wanted to do was cancel, hold my baby who was just having like deadly seizures. But I had to feed and fix him. I needed money. Right. Of course. My husband wasn't making any money. So it was on me. So I had a flybear and I just remember grabbing you going like, I need help. Like I needed to hold onto like a life jacket, like the biggest life preserver. And to this day, I'm like, I was crying backstage. I was trying to get my shit together. We got through it.

And I'm so grateful because I will never forget that it was the lowest part of my entire life. And you were like the next person I saw. And I was like, so I'm sorry to unload on you. No, you, I feel, I, I was happy to be your Dolce. Yeah.

To the Gabana of the diagnosis. Because I, but you know, here's the amazing thing about your son. And I know what a fierce advocate you are and how you really have, I always say this about, you know, Holly Robbins and Pete and you.

You are two moms that went through this before there was a real community and a real dialogue around autism and autism spectrum disorder. And so there were no resources. There was no real support group there.

I may have put you in contact, I think, with that... Do you remember that man I randomly met at Met Stadium? Yes. And he's like, "I run an autism advocacy group." And I was like, "You need to know my friend, her son was just diagnosed

It was so helpful. There was, you guys, back then, like Google was just born maybe that year. If you Googled, there wasn't that much stuff coming up. No, there was nothing coming up. There was nothing. And so it was a very, very scary time. And you helped me sell a lot of books that helped pay for speech therapy. So I will always be in touch. But I remember that book. I was like, God, I wish this book was around when I was pregnant.

Like, I wish somebody had written this book because Jenny's actually telling, like, when you read What to Expect When You're Expecting, you're not expecting any of the things that happen to you because they don't tell you any of that. That's correct. They don't tell you. And I had to tell, I brought Evan home from the hospital. The book we're talking about is Belly Laughs. And when I brought Evan home from the hospital, I was like, I had this realization. I went, wait, what?

Everybody lied. Like, they didn't tell the truth. The doctor didn't even tell the truth. Like, there were so many things that were left. Like, it's supposed to be, it's not ladylike to discuss. Right, we don't discuss these things. Yeah. So speaking of Evan, how is he doing now? ♪

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He is so sweet. I brought him on for Masked Singer. He works part of the crew now. Oh, my gosh. Incredible. Yeah, he's crew. He does audience load-in and then meet and greets because he loves interacting with people. That's incredible. It's incredible. And he is shining. Everyone has fallen in love with him. When I was done with Masked Singer, everyone was waving the sound of music like, good night.

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It's true. I mean, when I look back at that path, Kelly, I mean, some of the stuff, because like we said, there were no instructions. I was told that day he was diagnosed that he would be institutionalized. And I, all I could think of is like, first of all, F you to tell any mother that. And the institution I was hoping for it was Harvard. So I carried on with a goal and a path going, I'm going to figure this out. Now, mind you, because no one really came before me in terms of treatments and stuff, I was doing everything.

everything. I mean, it was like, you name it, this poor kid endured. He was the first one that I

Right. Tortured through everything. Here's the good news. Autism or not, your first child is your first pancake. So you torture them regardless. That's true. That's true. You literally put them through. I always say to Lola and Joaquin, I go, you can thank your brother because we knew not to do that to you because we tried that with him and it was awful. You know, so because he was your first child,

autistic or not, you would have tortured him because you would have read somewhere that rubbing spoons on him works for something. Thank you for making me feel better about that. You're welcome. And in hindsight, if I can share this little epiphany that I'm having, which is I do, now that he's 22, when I look back,

You know, there's so many people in the neurodivergent community now. And, you know, I did get some backlash over the next five years of people going like, hey, you don't need to fix us. We don't need to fix it. And I'm like, you're absolutely right. First of all, neurodivergent, autistic, whatever, they're some of the most kindest, most wonderful people I've ever met.

It's the comorbid conditions. It's the seizures. It's the, you know, it's the Crohn's. It's the gut bacterias. It's all of those things that Evan had massive amounts of candida. Then he went like almost comatose and had seizures for. So those were the things that I've always referred to. And I just never want people to think they're nothing less than perfect. Of course. And what's so funny is.

You know, Joaquin, I've talked about this a million times, but he was dyslexic and dysgraphic. So he went to special ed school all of his life. And there was a lot of kids with autism spectrum disorder in the school because that's a different segment of the school. But, you know, these were all the kids that came to the birthday parties.

And, you know, the more you're around kids with autism, I don't want to say one is normal, one is abnormal, but they are just, they're all kids. They're all just like kids that you know, right? There's nothing different about them. Except for, and go with me on this, except for you look at those kids and I'm like, half of these kids are going to be running a studio someday. Because there's a lot of, you know, that complete like...

can really pay extraordinary attention to detail and get things done in a way that you're like, how did you do that? How did you put that lamp together? It's been sitting in a box for so long.

seven years. We couldn't figure it out. That's right. Right. They have that imagination part, but also the organization part. There's like that thing that happens. Yeah. A hundred percent. Like I'm blown away when I watch like Evan work. Because Evan can also be a little too meticulous. Right. Yeah.

He had me make, I don't know if you saw on Instagram at all. He has this thing called Five Nights at Freddy's. So it's a game. And this is with a movie that he's filming this summer. So he's like, can you make me these costumes? And I took some sewing lessons and had him make them these costumes. And I got to tell you, it was the only time where I wanted to like jump off a cliff because he'd be like, you know, can you just move the nose one millimeter to the left? I'm like, how long does it take me? Yeah.

Can you do the ruching a little bit better, Mom? Totally. What's his relationship with Donnie like? Unbelievable. Everyone's constantly going, when's Donnie coming home? When is Donnie coming home? They fell in love rather quickly. Rather quickly. It's pretty easy to do for both of them. And if that didn't happen, like what if...

Donnie was cold to Evan or what if Evan was cold to Donnie? Like what if it didn't happen that way? Would you ever think about that? If it was, it's understandable for a child to be cold. That is understandable because they're a child. They are not mature. They're suspicious. It's near the mom. Men I have dated that were, that were not warm. And I got out pretty quickly. Yeah.

I did have a six month rule when I was dating though. Like you're not even allowed to say hello or meet him for six months because in that six months, do you know whether you want to kind of go a little further or just kind of get out? So it was always a six month wait and then he would meet them. And when they just didn't have it, they just didn't get them or just connected. I'd be like, I'm out of here. Yeah. Smart. You're smart. My world. Let's talk about renewing your vows. Now listen,

I've discussed this with you in person. Yes, you have. We're going to discuss it over the podcast. Mark and I are very superstitious about these vow renewals.

We are terrified. Jan feels the same. Yeah, I feel like it's the precursor for a divorce. Do you ever go into a vow renewal with that? Is there any fear that you're gilding the lily? You're like you're about to be jinxed in some way. I don't really give a shit when a lot of celebrities renew their vows because I'm like, but with you, I care. Like with you, I care.

So I only want good for you. Thank you. You know, I get that because I was, I used to make fun of celebrities when they would do it or people in general, when they renew their vows, it's so corny and weird. Like your wedding's over, like just stay married. And then Donnie, this is a tradition Donnie wanted to implement. He's like, I want to remind each other of our vows and talk about like our pastor, our

reminisces about the year and gives us a thing to like think about as the year goes on. So there is something nice about it. Only time where I've been like, is that every year he surprises me. So I'll turn around, I'll round a corner and I'm like in sweatpants and my hair like, and no makeup. And then there's the pastor and like a violinist. And I'm like, Donnie. So he'll, he'll surprise me every year. So that's the only part that I'm like, what the hell? Yeah.

But now we're going on 10 years, so... So you've had 10 vow renewals? 10 vow renewals. Holy shit. They're proving us wrong. They're proving us wrong. I know. I know. They're the one. You're the one couple. You're the one couple that proves this theory wrong. Because the rest of them... I gotta tell you, too, is, like, I have no fear about, like, curses or what do you call it? Superstitious stuff. Because...

We are so intensely in love and you guys are too. We are so mad at each other. Like if I were to read our texts today, like let me just, let me just back up. He wrote, this is what I got this morning. The man, he loves you. You inspire him. You help him. He doesn't know how, but you make him better. Sometimes we'll do the third person for fun. Like I'll be like, he's awake. And he'll be like, he's awake. And then we'll call each other. So that's like-

That's like what Albert does only he refers to Mark as she. I say, is she awake? Is she awake? And then I wrote back. I said, oh, I love you so much. Thank you for the sweet words. I just adore you. We really won the lotto with each other. And that's just this morning, but every day and then every Monday he sends me flowers since the day we met. Every Monday I get flowers. Did you see what Jenny wrote in a post? She wrote, you're not just my love. You're the melody to my life song.

It's beautiful. You wrote that. I feel bad. I mean, I send Mark kind of like, you know, quasi-horrible romance cards. Yeah.

Like, remember when you used to hold your farts in? I do. See, but that's so great, Kelly. That's why you're so fun. I would love that. I would love that so... Does he laugh? He does. Always. Always. Wait, Albert, go get my phone because I want to see what Mark's... The last text between you guys. It's plugged in. I was charging it. It's in the bathroom. I just want to see what our last text was because I don't think it was anything romantic.

Do you think he's your soulmate? He's definitely, come on. He's your soulmate, right? Oh, God. He's the one. He's the one. I think we have ex-husbands in our lives as soul contracts. I think that even past relationships, even dating people, I think those are all soul contracts to work out like old karma, to see if you can learn lessons, improve, yada, yada, yada. Yes. Let me see. I just want to see. Okay, so Albert brought my phone back. I have to see.

What was our last romantic exchange? There is literally nothing romantic about the way we text. Babe, should I do the laundry tonight or leave it for the morning? I could do a quick wash and dry and then I can fold it in the AM. His response, tomorrow. That's so great. That's so great. That was our text last night.

I love it though. It's so real. It's real. So let's talk about your beauty line, which I love, by the way. I don't know if you... I mean, I'm not wearing it now because I'm not wearing makeup. But I don't know if you can tell, but I've been wearing it every day on the show. Because I do my... I do my own makeup. And so I've been... It's the...

Best products. And I think the color palette is perfect for me if I do say so myself. Yes. It's really good for us. I will say blondes. It's good on brunette too. I have it on the website. Thank you. Formless Beauty. I am so proud of it. Can I tell you, Cal? Yeah.

I and everybody I know I'm like you I'm like do we really need another effing celebrity like beauty brand but we need one that's good that's right I did my intention was just to because I have an MTHFR gene mutation I've got SIBO I've got so many like things that are issues in me that I'm fixing and

And I can't take one word like toxin. So I dug and did some real homework on makeup to try to find the cleanest brand because I was just going to buy the cleanest brand. Right. I couldn't believe how many companies use the word clean and they're not clean. I didn't. Dirty. Dirty. I didn't know that the FDA, the last time they regulated makeup was 80 years ago.

Oh, is that true? 80 years ago, they had an amendment about three years ago. And the amendment said, we're just going to call companies to make sure that they're not making makeup in the basement. That was it. Right.

Right. There's no regulations. There's no, they trust. Now that I'm on this end, you guys, they trust us, the manufacturers to say, yeah, it's safe. Yeah, it's fine. I was like, when I started this, I go, I'm going to make.

The cleanest effing brand I can make. I'm going to make it here so I can watch them in the United States because I just don't trust anybody anymore. I don't trust our regulatory agencies. Now, how do I know about clean ingredients with makeup? Well, I did research, but that doesn't count. I rely on the EWG. Do you know who they are? No. Oh.

In EWG? Yeah, if you go to EWG.org. Okay, so EWG.org. They're the environmental working group. They are the only last standing organization that's on team humanity. Like they don't, they're not captured by anybody. And they are so tough when it comes to, they have over 900 pages of unacceptable ingredients in makeup. And so you won't see a lot of makeup companies

getting their verified stamp of approval because chemicals are cheap. Makeup companies want to make profits.

And no one really cares about team humanity anymore. So I'm like, I'm going to go into for team humanity, make clean ingredients, and I'm going to get their stamp of approval because they've got tons of scientists and doctors working on what is good and makeup and what is not. So we have been, we submitted ourselves. I worked with them alongside them to say, okay, we're using this. We're not using this. So we're on phase two of getting our verification, which I would expect we would get. And we're going to be one of those

couple of brands that, um, celebrity brands that actually have done it.

That is great. I'm so proud of you. And they're such, I mean, great products. Just gorgeous. I just have my mascara because our mascara just came back in stock and I don't think I gave you the mascara. No, you didn't give me a mascara. You gave me the eyeshadows and the lip glosses. And they're all gorgeous. I mean, not that you can tell because I clearly know. But

But I will say I've been wearing it every day. Formless Beauty is the name. And it's so, so good. Here's my question because I'm not proud to say this. I have eyeshadow palettes that are 25 years old because they have, I'm sure, so many preservatives that I should throw those away, right? Yes, especially because, Kelly, they have talc in them. So now talc is a carcinogenic. Oh, right. Talc, holy cow.

Telk is a carcinogenic and you are putting that in your, and remember our skin absorbs the most out of anything. So you want to get rid of that. Ours are telk free, of course. But you know, like you and I kind of grew up the same. Like, don't you have a hard time parting with something that doesn't seem like there's something terribly wrong with it? Like it still sort of seems fresh. It's almost like bread. I will happily cut a rib of moldy bread if it's the last piece of bread. I get it. I'm one of those people.

Right. Let me tell you something. It's good stuff. You look amazing. And I've got to tell you, as soon as this podcast wraps, I'm going to throw the 25-year-old makeup away. Yes. This is my solemn vow to you. A hundred percent. You know, another thing I like about Jenny is Jenny is like me. We talk about

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Why do you think there are so many celebrities that pretend that they just drink water, do yoga, and stay out of the sun, and that we don't actually understand how aging works? And why do they... If I feel gaslit most of the time. A hundred percent. Maybe they don't have souls. Just kidding. You know, sometimes the only thing I can think of is...

In this business, if you didn't start off with a really good foundation, if you don't have people that are grounding around you, you can get lost in the identity of who you are to the public. And you want to put on this facade. And, you know, when I did many of my own talk shows, I couldn't believe how nervous celebrities are backstage sometimes. Yeah, they're terrified. Yeah. They're terrified because they're like,

I have to try to be the image that people think I am. No, that's what the people that were most nervous that people have the cotton mouth the most. Cause they're like, am I going to perform as the person that you think I am instead of just being yourself? Yeah. Speaking of talk shows, tell me about your time on the view. I have talked about some stories from there. Yeah. Give it all of them turn funny, but I've got so many, which one do I pick this one though? I,

I'm on the blue couch, you know, the half moon couch that they have all the guests in. So I don't know who I'm interviewing. I can't remember, but I'm like, and then all of a sudden my eyes go wide because I just feel like this rush of a period. And now in your forties, when you're like perimenopausal. Oh, you bleed out. You bleed out. You basically hemorrhage, you know, your uterus falls out. I'm sorry.

But it does. So now I'm sitting on the couch going, oh my God, this is a light blue couch. I have to cross my legs harder. And what am I going to do? Like, I'm, of course, I'm wearing a freaking dress.

So, um, we say I wrap up the interview kind of early and everybody gets up except for me. And I just sit there. I just sit there so that now everybody's doing something else gone and I'm sitting by myself and I'm like, son, you have to come try and talk to somebody. I'm like, I can't.

I didn't want to say over the microphone, I got my period. Please help me. Right. And so someone came over and I explained to them, I'm like, they're like, it's going to be fine. Just get up and run. I'm like, no, you don't understand perimenopausal periods. This is going to be a disaster. You have to push me out. Right. Take me and the couch out of here. All of a sudden, this is what you see. Like they, all these men. Yeah.

Oh my God. And I just glide past everybody like, we still had another interview to do. And that's the cash we needed. So when I stood up in the backstage, they were all horrified. Like, talk about a scary movie. You've been through the craziest shit. Oh my God, you have. It was almost like when I stole a cross from the Vatican and gave it to my mother. My mom's like, you know, this is not okay.

You did? Well, it wasn't me personally, my girlfriends, but I was invited when I was in Italy. I was there for an eyeglass like party or whatever. And they were like, do you want to go meet the Pope? And actually the Pope's not in town, but we can go in his, we can go in his apartment. I was like, what? So we went, we literally at midnight went in the back of the Vatican and I went in his apartment and his hallways. I tried on his hat.

It was crazy. It's a whole story. But my girlfriend came with me and when I got home in the hotel room, she goes, your mom, I know your mom loves the Pope so much. So I stole him. I stole his bedroom. Wow. Wow. Wow.

As the resident Italian Catholic. Yes. Well, there's two of us. There's a penance. There's a penance that's due. There's a couple Hail Marys coming your way. Yeah, but what do you think? Like, is there extra? Like, stealing is the one, the biggie, but stealing from the Pope, is that like, does that ration it? Jenny didn't do it though, right? I know Jenny. She didn't do it.

about for Jenny. Jenny didn't do it. Jenny did receive stolen merchandise. Actually, your mother did. Your mother's the one that has to pray for us. She still has it on the wall, though, so I feel like it's in good hands. Special, yeah. From the papal apartment. I get it. He's got so many. Let me tell you, the pope's apartment, if he just...

All I can think of is, because when you walk in the first door, it's a hallway of these cherubs that are carved in stone out of the ceiling. They're like filled with gold. I'm like, we just need to chunk off an arm and eat a country. That's all I can think about. There's too much money in the freaking Vatican where people are starving. I'm like, there's big...

baby's in Yemen that I can't even take one more picture. Like, come on. And it's just like more gold. Is the Pope's apartment, is it like a mid-century modern style or is it more Roman emperor? It's very ornate. It's ornate. Just like you would think of like an old kind of Italian hotel. You know who did the interior design? Cabana. Cabana.

That's awesome. I should have turned on his TV to see what he was watching last. Oh, I know. That would have been good. Turn on the papal TV to see what channel was it left on. Oh my God. That would have been good. God, we should have been there. God, God, you do everything good when I'm not around.

Well, I've got to tell you, I know I tell you this every time I see you, but I love you. I adore you. I'm so proud of you and everything you've accomplished. And I know you work so hard. And I just thank you for being a part of this here humble podcast. I love you, Kelly. Thank you so much for being just a real, kind, genuine, loving, smart person.

funny, inspirational human being. Right back at you. And don't forget everybody to pick up Jenny's vegan, cruelty-free jam. Yep. I've been wearing it every day. Formless Beauty is the name. You can catch her on The Masked Singer, on Fox.

You can catch her when she renews her vows for the 10th time. All right, girl. I love you, honey. Bye. Bye, you guys. Thank you. Bye. So fun. Jenny McCarthy. That was awesome. Come on. She does not disappoint. At all. She doesn't. The stories, I can listen all day. Forever and ever. Guys, let me tell you something. That is a fraction. Faith and I...

All we would have to say at lunch was, Jenny, tell us a story. And we would just be sobbing.

The story about the ambient on the plane. Oh my God. That Vatican story just killed me. I'd never heard the Vatican story before. Brilliant. So that was like new to me. That was new stuff. All the breast stuff, by the way, the Joan Rivers breast joke. Oh, when she was like, I get a mammogram. I can get a mammogram and a pedicure at the same time. It's a great one. It's a great one.

It's a great one. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. Oh my gosh. Oh, what do you want? You want me to sign off? You sign off. I want you to sign off. I'm just going to then take you signing off from a different episode. I like when you sign off because your dad's going to be upset. Rate, review us on Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music or wherever you are listening to this podcast.

And we're sorry for Jenny's period story in the middle of the episode. It's so true. Your dad is going to turn off the beginning of this. He's going to like try to fast forward and then he's going to stop fast forward. He's going to be like, God, I hope they're done talking about Kelly's titties. My daughter having sex with her husband. And then he's going to land on Jenny's period story. And then he's going to be like, my God.

This podcast has really gone down the drain. Well, Dad, if you're still listening, goodbye. I can't wait to talk off-camera next week. Woo-hoo!

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