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welcome back to this week's episode of unlocked this is going to be a little bit different um I have Hannah Walsh on thank you for coming so this week's episode is definitely very different you guys always love the episodes to where we're updating you on mom and dad and just everything going on in the system how broken it is and Hannah's husband Patrick is actually there with my dad

so how long has Patrick been there so he checked in on April 3rd last year so he's been there almost 16 months okay and dad got there January so dad had a little you know a little experience before Patrick got there yeah but Patrick has y'all aren't ready for this either Patrick well I say Patrick Hannah's the one who had them they have 11 kids

11. Yeah. Ranging from 20, 20 down to almost two. That is crazy. Okay. What are all their ages? So the oldest is 20 and then there's 17, 16, 14, 12, 11, nine, seven, five, three, and almost two. I have to think Aaron's over there. Like my mom, rocket.

Yeah, there's not every number, but yeah. That is wild. So when Patrick went in, were y'all expecting it or no? Well, yeah, we were definitely expecting some time. I was blown away with the amount of time. Because what did they, what did he get? He was sentenced to 66 months. And that was something that even the attorney right before we went in, she did not think that.

She literally said, you know, I'm going for 18 months. I think that the prosecution's going to ask for two years. So when they, when the judge, you know, started concluding and saying that was what he thought was within reason, I remember sitting there completely stunned and doing the math in my head. Yeah. 66 months, five and a half years. Oh my goodness. I was absolutely blown away. The baby was at that sentencing was just like four months old.

And I remember just doing the math thinking, oh my goodness, how old is she going to be when he comes out? Yeah. No, we were not expecting that amount of time. That is. And that's what's crazy is. And that's what I tell people all the time is the difference. And I say when it comes to white collar stuff, some people agree, some people don't, whatever it may be, that amount of time when

no person was harmed. Absolutely unnecessary. Like it is, it's just unnecessary. And so what did the judge, I mean, I would assume that your lawyer said like, look, we have these kids here. They need their father. Surprisingly, there wasn't enough emphasis on that or even the fact that who's going to be the breadwinner from the family. I,

I never heard that mentioned in the entire time of the dialogue that went on for about three hours. Not once did the judge ever ask out of concern, who is going to provide for your children and your wife? Who is going to pay the bills? That was never asked. One of the comments that he said at the end when he sentenced him, which will forever be fried in my memory, you are young and you'll have time to start over when you get out. And I sat there thinking, what?

his baby's gonna not go back to being a baby. His children aren't gonna go back to being preteens that are now almost gonna be adults when he comes out. What on earth? That was one of the most coldest statements I have ever heard a judge say to someone in my situation. You're young, you can start over when you come out. - And well, I was like, even in ours, it's sentencing.

we kind of said the same thing like, hey, at least do staggered sentencing. There's a little, like there's a little girl that already suffers from, you know, separation anxiety, anxiety, depression, all these different things. And like she needs mom. And the judge said, you know what?

Clearly you guys didn't care about these kids when all this was going down. And there's a whole row of people back there that I bet would be happy to take care of these kids. - Yeah, oh yeah. The judgment and the criticism of what they think you are as a person. When the judge and the prosecution looks at him on paper, they form an opinion of him that is not the person that you know and love. This is not the man I've been married to for almost 20 years.

painting him to be this horrible villain and just this evil person. It just was unreal sitting there and listening to them. And sadly, just so many too have come across as believing that's him by, you know, listening to that whole dialogue. Some people that came and sat, it's just, it's not him. It's not. And

And so what do you say to people? Because we've had this conversation about people who just look at you and they're like, well, he did what he did. Like he deserves to, you know, suffer, whatever it may be. Like that's the hardest part for other people. Cause I know other people are going to be like, well, I mean, they are in prison, you know? Yeah. They're in prison. You do not know their story. You do not know what happened. You do not know where they were at.

financially, emotionally, mentally to get to what happened. You do not know the amount of stress we were under. We had just come through trying to survive our business, which was completely based on crowds, completely got shut down with COVID. You had bills, tons and tons of bills from businesses that were now no longer able to be paid because you literally were shut down.

No one knows that. No one knows that your paycheck quit in March of 2020. Just boom, you're gone. Your money source was gone. Yeah. And there was little thought into people like to read something and form an opinion. They don't actually like to go to the person. And that's what I say to the amount of people that have

close people to us that used to be friends and family have sat back and judged where did you, when did you come to the office and sit down and talk with Patrick after hearing all this? When did you sit down in his environment and say, tell me what happened? Yeah. Very few. I can count on my hand the amount of people that did that. Well, and that's what I say, even politically. I have friends who believe that

complete opposite of what I believe. But when you sit down with people and you take a few minutes to understand their story and where they come from and think life experiences, you're like, you know, I understand why you believe what you believe.

And it's the same thing with this. If you take a second to understand someone, because you even look at our prison system and you know, a lot of the guys that are there with them, it's not, first off, it's not just white collar crime, right? That's the biggest misconception is that, Oh, it's just white collar crime. No, there are some of the, you know, Mac daddy drug dealers there. There's a lot of them there. Yeah. Like there are a lot of,

like that. But when you sit down with these guys, like dad was telling me, this really young kid, you sit down and hear his story, like 20 years old, and...

he comes from a background of abuse or watching his parents do drugs, deal, whatever it was. And guess what? You're going to have a little more sympathy for him. Right. Totally. He just had no guidance. I have a lot of sympathy for all these people because I know what it's like to be in that position of being judged and being in a hard spot. And it's like the last thing I'll do is turn around and be to somebody what was done to me.

I know how people formed opinions without questions. And some may say, well, they ask questions. You know, you get questioned over a text. You feel defensive. Well, yeah, because you're just wanting information. You're not trying to be here. Exactly. If you come sit in my living room and you want to talk to me, I may open up to you. Because now my wall is very high because of being burned. And, but, um,

The people that tried to reach out through text and they hit me with the questions. I was eight days postpartum when our story broke the press.

My baby was eight days old. Just come home from the hospital. And we're in the news. We didn't know it was going to break. We didn't know it was going to happen like that. And I was getting hit from all sides with text. I'm trying to recovering from having a child. And you know how the emotions are after having a child? Okay. They're already strong. And now you're dealing with this. I was in no shape to take a lot of the hits that

were put at me. And so, yeah, it didn't go well for me in that way. I really wasn't up to dialogue through text. I wasn't up to hearing their inputs and their assumptions. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. It's like, hey, it's already all over the news. Yes. Like you can either send me a message because you're here for me and you love me. Yes. Or don't reach out to me at all. Yes. And I think like, it's funny though, how, because like we said, you figure out who your people are really quick. Totally.

And to me, what I found really interesting was when the news broke about the appeal and mom being re-sentenced and potentially coming home. I heard from people that I haven't heard from in 18 months, like that haven't checked in on us or maybe did like the very beginning and then just like went MIA. And when I got those messages, I kind of was like, oh.

Yeah. It's funny. I'll feel the same way. Sometimes I'll see somebody reach out because of something and I'm just like, yeah, like, come on. Yeah. And so Patrick's been there 18 months and 16, almost 16. Okay. I guess dad's been there like 18, 19. Yeah. And so, um,

One of the things that I've spoken about on the podcast religiously is just conditions and what goes on in these places. And people love to say, oh, my God, he's at like Camp Cupcake. The cushy prison, I've seen it called online. The cushy prison and there's swimming and there's like...

golf or something. I'm like, what are you talking about? We go there. Yeah. Unfortunately, I 100% know what's there. Yeah. And where we're at is the nicest part of the whole prison. It for sure is. It's the visitation room. But even there, you look up at the ceiling. Oh, yeah. And you see nothing but

but just watermarks. Well, it's, I've been in the bathroom before when the rain's coming through the roof. Yeah. It was pouring rain one time and it was leaking. They had to put a bucket in there. Yeah. That's, it's not, there's nothing about the prison that is prestigious or nice. No. And that's the biggest misconception. And when people come at me and they'll say, you know, I mean, they're in prison. What do you expect? Yes. Well,

We expect... They're still humans. Exactly. They're still human beings. And what's so tough is you have it on both sides, left, right. Like this is not a Democrat, Republican issue at all. It is...

you have people who just don't care. And then you have people who are so pro-life and you're like, but wait, you're pro-life. - Yeah, where does it end? - Yeah, you're pro-life, but clearly you just decided that was gonna end once the child was born. Like, and it's not gonna go through, you know, till God calls them home. And it's so frustrating to me because

the BOP came out and called me a liar for all intents and purposes, tabloids, whatever news sources asked them for a comment. Multiple times they came out and said that like, this is not accurate, that the inmates have very nutritious meals.

that like basically everything's running as it should. And it made me so mad that I finally came out and said, you should be very careful of whom you call a liar when I have the documentation to back it up. Because like I've been the...

At this point, I mean, I've got the Office of Inspector General looking at my LinkedIn page. Like, I just saw that last week. Yeah, and I was like, oh, this is interesting. But they, like, I can see who looks at it, and that was one of them. And so when it comes to the conditions of the black mold, the bugs and food, like, what has been Patrick's experience in

So he's not had great food experience. He's talked, I mean, he's had times where he's actually gotten sick after eating a meal. Yeah. And he's like, well, the rumor is it was expired or it was not cooked or, you know. Yeah. He's learned to live off of commissary and that's what he does. Yeah. And he buys tuna and probably eats way too much tuna. Yeah. He said he's had people tell him, you know, you shouldn't consume that much tuna in a week. But that's what he'll do because he won't go to dinner. Yeah. Because he knows it's not going to.

be good or it's not going to set well so he'll stay back and eat a tuna but i mean you know he he dropped a lot of weight and it was pretty obvious to me that he wasn't getting enough nutrition by the way he looked after being in there um and that's my concern is always just the long-term health right we want him to come home but then we want him to live after they come home yeah and it is my concern um

that how will that look you've been exposed to things you've eaten things for now years um that affects your health yeah long term well it does and that's what I now know multiple men who are getting out and I have instructed every single one of them go to a specialist have the mold

levels checked in your body see because they can tell you yeah like as soon as you get out you go they can tell you if your mold numbers are out of like outrageous they can tell you all the things you've been exposed to because i've said this is going to be another camp lejeune lawsuit against the bop or fpc pensacola all of it would be great and because it's crazy like i have had

people who work there like at the facility. I mean, send me photos and the environmental reports, all this crazy stuff. And what's wild is they think I'm getting information. We know this. They think I'm getting information from like the guys there. And I'm like, little do you know, it's people that you employ that are sending it. And, um,

everything for the past few months, ever since dad did that News Nation interview. It's been up in arms. You know that. And Patrick was sent, well, first off, Patrick is part of the RDAP program. So explain what that is, because I've spoken about that a lot. And Profit and Ramsey and all these people that run these programs, how broken it is. Yeah, so that's a pretty intense program. It's nine months. He started it in February. Yeah.

And it takes a lot of time off your sentence. So he...

It's something that a lot of people are able to do, but it's a pretty intense program. You move into a different dorm because of that program. So he was in a whole different place. He gets set up in a different place. There's a lot more rules, restrictions. It's a lot more intense. - It's supposed to be a rehabilitation program. - It's supposed to be to help you. Yes, become a better person.

If you're struggling in areas, it helps you. But it definitely doesn't seem to be all that it's been about.

what it should be. Yeah. So is it, is Patrick becoming a better person because he's in that program or is it? So he's always a type that is willing to learn from anything. Yeah. So he is very humble and he will take a, even he's been through crazy accusations and,

and everything since going to that program. And he always looks at it with humility. He will always send me a, you know, tell me that, well, I can get better at this. They're probably right on this. I could probably get better at this, but it's definitely a lot on your, that I worry about is the mental level that they do run on you because-

Some of the things that they are hard on, it's like there's nothing wrong with that. That's just who you are. They kind of nitpick and belittle. There's a lot of belittling. And a program that's supposed to strengthen you. Yeah, empower you.

You're lucky if you come out of there with self-esteem and confidence, but I feel that about the prison system in general. I feel like the way you're treated by the staff and everybody, you're not going to come out with confidence and self-esteem unless you're pretty strong. Yeah. Because you're treated like a child when you're in there.

And obviously I've spoken about just abuse that goes on in that program. There was a young kid who got waterboarded at the direction of the doctors who run the program. And so when it comes to the abuse side of things, what has Patrick experienced there? He's definitely seen it. He's definitely watched it happen. He has seen,

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First off, we're all there together. And you become family with these people. It's a weird- - Exactly. You want to be able to talk to that person. Your husband lives with that person. 24 hours a day they're together. The families kind of wanted me, get to know each other. It's the strangest phenomenon that you can't talk to the other people when your husbands are literally living together. - Exactly. And like Chloe,

Talks to your kids all the time. Yeah. All the time. They'll FaceTime. They'll talk like it's just it's people who understand where you're at. Exactly. You're going through the same thing. There's a natural draw to the person because, you know, I can look at that woman. I know she's going through what I'm going through. I know she's in my same shoes. Honestly, I feel more comfortable with them than I would feel with anybody in my area back at my house. Yeah. Because

They understand me. Exactly. They're going through the same thing. There's going to be no judgment. It's a judgment-free zone. Literally. We're all in the same boat. Yes. And it's the most unexpected people. It is. In the same boat. It is not necessarily what you expect and think. No, no, not at all. And so when they...

When all this stuff started coming out and then they would see us talking or dad and Patrick talking on a day-to-day basis, what was the backlash that Patrick experienced? Yeah, definitely to, you know, there's something going on. Do not, you know, stay away from him. And when you say that, stay away from? Stay away from Todd. Yeah. Yeah. And this was people working there. Yes. Yes.

And as in Patrick would tell him, he said recently, I talked to, I'm friendly to everybody. Yeah. And he is, he's friendly to everyone. And his position, his job that he has is to help people in the library there. And he does, he helps people do anything they need help with. Yeah. Um, so he's friendly to everyone. He's not at all, um,

He's not a person that has respect for someone over another one. He is friendly with just everybody. And so it was, it was bizarre that he can talk to your dad, but he can talk to everybody else, but he can't talk to him. And it was under the thing of like, well, don't talk to him. Stay away from him. He talks to everybody. Yeah. And recently he was sent to county jail. And for people that don't understand, like,

To go from where they're at to go to county is very different because you're actually in a... It's a step back. Yeah. It's a demotion, if you want to call it that. They're in federal prison. Going to a county jail is something that would be sent to like a state prison. Yeah. It's not the same. And even...

Yeah. When I reached out to my Congresswoman, they had it wrong. They said, oh, he's in a county jail. He was at state. Then you need to contact your state rep. And I said, oh, no, you are wrong. Yeah. I said, this is what they do. If someone's in trouble at this federal prison, you are sent to a county jail in the area. And it's known for being a really bad place. And that's where you're sent for punishment. Yeah. So, yeah, the idea that.

it's not even where you're supposed to be. But that's their choice of punishment there. - Yeah, and what was, because you go to county when you're in trouble, what was Patrick actually in trouble for?

Well, they were trying to accuse him of being a voice to Todd. They were, you're passing along information and you're doing, they actually had some pretty bizarre accusations that I didn't even hear from him. I heard from people when he made it back. So we heard your husband did this or that. And I was just like,

Wow, that's crazy. Yeah, that's absolutely crazy. Because they in this RDAP program, which is the one that I've outed because it's a it's a congressionally funded program. So our taxpayer dollars are going to pay for this. And I outed it because I said, I don't want my taxpayer dollars going to to support abuse. And these two so-called doctors that, you know, want to try to control and manipulate and all these things.

And they thought that Patrick was giving dad all this information. When again, it's coming from your own employees. Right. They were accusing him of being in the program, taking the information from the program to your dad. They had zero evidence. But also, even if, let's just say it was true, which it's not. Should they be worried about the abuse? Yeah. Yes. No, they care more about...

the fact that it would be known. Yes. All they care about is hiding it. They're pissed off because it got out. They're not pissed off because it's happening because they're condoning it and instructing the abuse. It absolutely reminds me of people in my life who have said things about me. And when I found them out and been like, wow, did you say this? The unrelentless thing that I found out then that they said it. Yes.

There's never apology that they said it blows my mind. It's that I found out and now they're going to, the poor person that told me is going to really have to suffer now. And I'm just like, but you said that shouldn't that bother you? Exactly. And that's how they are. And then, and one of their, cause I remember first off and

information I get are from people that work there. And then all these other families, like you just said, we all get to know each other. And when we don't hear from a loved one or we were texting, Hey, did you hear from them? Because if you didn't hear either, then it's probably because weather's bad or it's probably because the phones are down. We have to calm our mind down. The computers are down today. You tell yourself, yeah, the phones are down.

But it's the most unsettling thing. On any given day, I could be going through something really hard or stressful in my own environment and not knowing if I can tell him or I haven't heard from him. I might be a doctor's appointment for a kid and it's been hours since I've seen an email from him. Inside, I'm scared to death. Is he okay? But I'm dealing with my own problems. So I have to just like be chill, be calm. I don't want the kids to know I'm anxious. And on this particular day-

On this particular day. All 11 of them. On this particular day, he was sent away. I had this gut feeling. I knew in my heart we had been with him on Father's Day. It was a Sunday, June 16th. And he was different that day. Yes. He was very different. He had told me there's things going on. He had been through hours of just questions. They were interrogating him. And what was it that they...

forced him to do or try. - Well, one of the things they were really saying was you must not love your wife and children. They were actually trying to get him to physically verbalize that. They said, because you wouldn't talk to Todd if you loved your wife and kids.

Everybody there knows Patrick loves his wife and kids. Why do you think I go every Saturday for 16 months? - Every single Saturday. - I drive one way five hours and one way back five hours in the same day. We're in the car for 10 plus hours in one day because we love him, he loves us. That's why we're there. And to say that like,

And he refused to. The most insulting thing. So of course he went to say that, of course that really hurt him. And of course he wanted to fight. And because he fought that literally that phrase, not saying that, that made them mad.

when they couldn't break him on the first one getting him to say that which they didn't know who they were dealing with he will never deny his love for his family um that made them mad and that led to because he's told me he's like i think if if they would have gotten me to say something stupid like that they probably would have calmed down but he wouldn't say that and then it led to confession they want you to confess to this this and that you've done this for him you're doing this you're all

all these things and he was like show me the evidence show me the proof they had none yeah um they searched his locker they did everything I knew that Sunday we were feeling on edge we were feeling like something was about to happen yeah and then that Monday in a sense he was broken yes that day he was definitely he he knew that that night he was supposed to go sit in a room and they were supposed to all come before him one by one tell him what they thought of how he was handling the program it's it's a

it's a mind game. Yeah. Like who does that? And they want to break you. They want to break you. They want to break you so that they can use you to kind of strengthen the narrative that they have. Right. Which is,

awful. And so it was what that Monday rolls around and I had the email in the morning and he tells me, you know, I have a big meeting this morning with the staff and I'm just, he's like, I'm just going to go in, take what they give me. I'll be humble, see what happens. And I, the whole day went by. He was supposed to call me at 1230 my time and didn't hear from him. I had to run to an appointment with my five-year-old and

Didn't hear to him. No emails. By 2 p.m., I know because he can't email me in the morning because of being in the program. So my first email rolls in around 1.30 to 2 p.m. No emails. And then you and I were texting. My gut knew something was wrong. I knew in my heart. I knew in my heart. So I got in the car from the appointment. I was feeling a little emotional. And I'm pretty much...

the person that doesn't do that. No, you're like as calm as you can be. I just have had to stay strong. And so I do. And I remember feeling, starting to cry. And my five-year-old says, what's wrong? And I immediately got my act together. Nothing's wrong. We're good. But so then I, that's when I was reaching out. I said, something's wrong. I know something's wrong. I

My thoughts were my mind was saying they've done them dirty. Yeah, and I was like they've done them dirty They've shipped them off to Santa Rosa and then when I got confirmation on that it was the most sunken Helpless feeling yeah because I was just like wow only where can you go in this world and have your loved one moved from a location he's been at at that time for 15 months and

to a new place with no, there's no courtesy call. There's no notification. No, I'm not hearing it from him. Even if your loved one were to go to the hospital because of an emergency, you're not notified. No. For people that are listening and wondering what rights we have or our loved ones have.

- No rights. Once you're in there, your rights are gone. - Yeah, gone. - They give you absolutely no rights. - I mean, you could be dying. - Absolutely. - And your loved one not be notified. And that's why part of us like,

we all create these relationships with each other because if something happens to Patrick or my dad or whatever, at least our loved ones can get on the phone with their loved ones and say, hey, please let so-and-so know that like something happened. - Right, I had to find out that he was moved from someone else. I'm not gonna find out from the BOP. Someone else is gonna notify me that he's not there anymore. And you know, that night I was hearing from all kinds of spouses.

Like, oh my goodness, what has happened? Yeah. I'm like, you tell me. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Because how long was he there in county? He was almost there three weeks. That is wild. And it was that night when he called me, when he finally got his collect call. He was a different, he was a very different person. He's always strong. But that night he just sounded so sad. Just kind of like,

They did him dirty. They took advantage of him. They got what they wanted. They moved him out of there. He told me he had been held all morning and questioning and had been given no drink, no food. So not only are they mentally getting to you by accusing you of things, by making up absolute bogus. Trying to get you to say things that are not true. You're also going through...

No food, no water. You're hungry. He had a throbbing headache. You know, they're getting you where they want you. Weak as you can be physically and weak as you can be mentally. Yeah. And so when he was there, you obviously, we were messaging back and forth and we, you were trying to find any person to get in contact with. The first couple of hours were just hopelessness. I didn't know what to do. Yeah. I was like,

What do I do? I'm going to fight for my husband. I'm going to 100% fight for my husband, but where do I start?

And it took me a little while to get my bearings together and to figure out what to do. When I did, I was like, okay, I'm going to call a couple people. I'm going to call our attorney. I'm going to call a family member. And I'm going to kind of get a vibe on what do I do? And I made both those calls. I didn't get through to the attorney. And I wasn't encouraged by the other phone call. It was just like, well...

The BOP does their thing and you're just gonna probably have to just wait and let them decide. They do everything behind closed doors.

That didn't work for me. That's just not who I am. So what if that's how they do it? That's not how they're going to do it today. I'm going to change things. This is my husband. He's the father of my kids. And they just took him away from where we see him every single Saturday. And they put him in a place where I can't see him. I can't go see him there. Like you just turned it on very bad waters. Exactly. Because then you had to sit there and answer questions.

Yes. To your kids, especially the younger ones. Within hours, I had to explain to them that daddy was not there anymore. And then it was, well, can we, will we be able to see him? No, you will not be able to see him. And it was, it was absolutely crushing to them. They didn't know how long it was going to go on. I didn't know how long I started hearing things like,

I'm Googling too. Well, they can keep you there for months. They can keep you there as long as they want. And then he had been told a different thing. He had been told, well, they have nothing on you. You'll probably be back within a week.

But we all know that they can do whatever they want. They can do whatever they want. And when was it that people from FPC Pensacola, employees, who was it? The captain, whoever else. When was it that they went and visited Patrick in county? Oh, it wasn't until almost a complete week later. Okay. So. And they went and visited him. They went and visited him. They kind of started it off with the same thing at first.

which was they were going to try and get him to confess those things. And he was like, we're really going to do this again. And they backed down. And they were like, well, you're not here for punishment, but it clearly is punishment. He was thrown in general population punishment.

With everybody. Okay. He'd come from a prison where you're in a federal prison. It's quite a bit different going to the county jail. Yeah. Where everyone and their brother is there for whatever crime. And the first night he didn't get a wink of sleep. No. Because he was approached by several people. What are you here for? Yeah. And the crazy part was when they went to visit him, now we know that he

I guess they're supposed to log. They're supposed to log visits. So anytime. So I guess who was it? Was it the captain? Who went and visited him? So the captain went. Okay. And so when he goes to visit, you are supposed to log it. Like it should be in the system that you went and visited this person at this time. He was pulled out of the pod for a meeting. Yes, that is supposed to be

recorded probably for accountability purposes. - Yes. - And it was not recorded for lack of accountability. - As if he had never even gone. - Which when I found that out, I said to Patrick, oh great. So now it's gonna be, he said, she said, because now you could be like, well, you told me when you came to see me, I'm not here for punishment, but now

He can say, when did I say that? No, I didn't come see you. When I found that out, it was kind of terrifying because I realized there's a reason why. - There's exactly, there's a reason why. - And that wasn't just forgotten. - No, it wasn't just forgotten because again, they don't wanna be held accountable. And the way we know this is because now there is an investigation higher up that's happening.

I was given some good advice from one man that I contacted that is an attorney for after you go in. And he said to me, let's get a letter written. You will send that to the warden. You will send it to...

internal affairs, you will send it to your Congresswoman and you will send it to another investigation process with the BOP. And I was like, okay, I'm willing to do anything. This was within 24 hours. We had this written, signed, I go to the UPS store, I get all my copies made and I got it in the mail. Next day and everything I could next day. 'Cause I'm literally fighting for him to come back. And I realized then and there, you're the only one fighting for that.

If you do not fight for your spouse that's in that type of environment, there's nobody else that's out there fighting. If I didn't do anything, he would have probably sat there for months. And that's what a lot of people don't realize, especially too, like you sitting here right now. Yes.

Is you fighting for him? Absolutely. Because that's the only thing you can do. And I've said that from the very beginning with all the stuff we've gone through with the legal process. And people have been like, we'll give up on that or just let that go with the legal process. I'm like, do you know what you're doing if you do that? You're rolling over and letting them run over you. Yeah. You have to fight. The book is great.

The government has unlimited resources. - Unlimited, yeah. - They can do whatever they wanna do. And all we have is our voice. Like that's all we have. And that's why I have been so outspoken on my podcast and just in the public in general. And people love to say, "Oh, you wouldn't care if it wasn't for your dad, you're only fighting for him, whatever." Like everything that I'm doing, I mean, tons of men there say,

the atmosphere is changing like because of things that we're saying because they can't argue it yeah well you better believe it you're fighting because your dad's there exactly it's your wake up until something happens to you you do not know what it's like i've seen the comments i've seen you guys get blasted with you only care because your parents are there yeah it takes an experience to change you how

How many people change their careers in life because of something they go through? How many people become police officers, heart surgeons, you name it, because of something they went through that drove them to that? I hate that mindset. That is just people sitting back in their cushion chairs, judging you online and saying, you only care about it because you're parents. You better believe that's what woke me up. Yes, that's exactly what woke me up. And I,

The best part about it is that's what woke me up. But all the other people in the system are what keep you going. Exactly. When you know, like, I'm getting on a phone with a guy this afternoon that's getting ready to go

to prison and to talk to he and his wife. You give him so much wisdom that he doesn't know. Exactly. To help people and to help further them. And it is heartbreaking to see how broken our system is. And we're not asking, I tell people all the time, I'm like, we're not asking for a Four Seasons. We're really not. We're just asking for food that

The basics. The basics. Food and not food. Literally, the meat that they consume says not for human consumption. Like on the packaging. Like they're consuming that. Expired food. I mean, there are buildings that have been condemned. And sadly, though, so many people out there think they deserve that. That's what they deserve. Well, that's prison. That's the tough part is that there are human beings that think. But it's crazy because...

People love to talk out of both sides of their mouth. And they're like, you know, they want to, it's, it's my favorite people are the ones on Instagram to where you click on their profile and it's like God fearing mother. And I'm like, Oh, isn't this interesting? And the judgment that comes out of their mouth. Literally. I'm like, isn't this interesting? I really hope your child isn't in my position one day. And even if I say, even if all these people did what you say they did,

Learn to have grace and understanding. There still needs to be a human side to it, a humanity. Exactly. This isn't a third world country. No. And, and,

- Sadly, the crimes for money, it's unbelievable. If the money is owed, then why aren't they working as hard as they can to pay them back? - Yep. - Sitting in prison, making sure you shut down all their businesses, take their homes. - And costing taxpayers. - Exactly, take their homes, shutting their businesses down means also their employees lost their jobs. So it's a catapult, you know, the effect is trickled down

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For you, what does it mean for you and your family to have an advocate like Savannah? And how has that changed the trajectory of like your hope for your husband? It means a lot. I'm not the type to try to use someone to try to take advantage of their platform to try to get in a way with someone. So having this without me at all trying, I was like, no.

When she asked me, I said, I typed out a big response and then erased it. I was like, who am I? I'm a nobody. I'm someone that hates attention. I hate being on the center of anything. So it means a ton that she chose me.

And that somehow, some way, she decided that she wanted to fight for us. Because, I mean, it blew me away seeing you speak at the convention and being like, my kids, we all gathered on the couch and we're watching. And we're like, we know her. And our mom texts her. That's literally what my kids said. Man, you have her number in your phone. Because we don't, we're not that type person. We're not that type. We don't.

I just lay low. I don't want anybody to notice me or be noticed. And I don't want to take advantage of anybody. And so I don't want to be seen as that. Yeah. And so it meant the world because I honestly am just humbled. I don't even know what to say about it because I didn't go asking for it. It's like we're,

Prison is the most humbling experience for everyone. Because guess what? We're all the same. We're all the same. We're all in the same boat. We're all dealing with the same things. And I have been able to look at it and a lot of people get defeated. A lot of spouses, children, significant others, they get so defeated that they just back down. They throw their hands up in the air and there's nothing more they can do. I look at it and I'm like, you know what?

I work my butt off day in and day out to be able to pay for lawyers, to be able to fight. And a lot of people don't have that. So if I can't, I'm not in a position to be like, hey, I'll pay your leave to all these people that reach out to me. But what I can do is hopefully raise enough awareness and get enough politicians involved that actually care to be a voice to change it.

And it has given me a little glimmer of hope because I'm like, you know, you're being a voice and I feel like it's, it has definitely gotten some people's attention. Oh yes. And it's given me a little bit of hope. Yeah. Cause it can hold people accountable. That's why like this podcast was so important because it,

In the 60 second little breakdown, you've got people who work there at the facility who are lieutenants and captains and wardens who are trying to get anyone that speaks to my dad, trying to punish them in hopes that they're going to say Todd did X, Y, and Z. They wanted him to sign a paper saying that he would never speak to your dad anymore. And he says, well, is there any rule like against that with anybody else? So anybody else have to sign it? No, just you. Yeah. And that's...

That's what's so crazy. And so by doing this podcast, you hold people accountable. You hold their feet to the fire. You put it out there because guess what? This podcast comes out and they do something to one of them. There's people at the OIG that now I have their number to shoot a text and say, this is what just happened.

So like it's holding people accountable and that's why I do it because I'm tired of them not being held accountable. And people don't like to hold people accountable if they think there'll be repercussions. They're just like, let's just stay low. Let's just stay quiet. That's what I was told. Tell Patrick not to make himself a target, I was told. And I said, they made him the target. He did not make himself a target. No. That was insulting because that's not what happened.

Just like we said, as a whole, the whole system is broken. Obviously you coming on this podcast, when I asked you, it was, there was some hesitation. And, but is that because you are afraid of what could happen to Patrick? Like there's part of it that is, this could be beneficial because it's letting the world know, but then there's part of you that has to be scared. Yes, absolutely. Because they, when something said that they don't like Patrick,

I was like, no way I have everything to lose. Yeah, I'm trying to get him home. I've already seen what they'll do. Yeah, you know, they took him away from me not being able to see him for three weeks. I literally felt like I aged 10 years during that three weeks. I that was one of the lowest times of his entire time being in there and we've gone through a lot since he's been there. Yeah, but just

the fact that I couldn't go see him. That is exactly what gets me through this. This is how I've made it this far. Going to see him on Saturday. It's something about when I walk through that door and I'm with him, everything's okay. We're going to make it. We are going to make it. We're going to get to do this another week. And we just keep going week after week. And not having that.

feeling like we went backwards. - Yeah. - And knowing we're accomplishing nothing there. We're sitting, he's not even in the program. We're just sitting, we're going backwards. So I was absolutely terrified and was like,

I have everything to lose. They can do whatever they want and I cannot do this. Yeah. But then it's, it's also the truth. It's that's the thing. It's the truth. And it's so hard when you have people fighting you from telling the truth and to, I knew it on a much smaller scale, but having Chloe and Grace and look at me, I'm like, I owe it to these two kids to fight and show them that like, no matter how

hard people try to silence you, you have to keep fighting. - Yeah, and my children know that. They know that their mom's going to fight for their dad. They saw me fight when everyone said, "There's nothing you can do, just sit back and wait." Yeah, that's not my personality. - Yeah, no. - And thank God it's not because I've had to, you know, it's not my first rodeo in life.

walk through very tough things. And I've always been, the mindset has always been, we'll get through this. We'll get on the other side. We go through things. And the beautiful thing about the word through is we go in and we come out. Exactly. So there is an end. It does not feel like it, but there is an end. The difference in my current situation that's been so hard is I always knew I could get through any of our hard things that we've gone through with Patrick beside me.

And so that's the biggest thing is he's not beside me anymore. And we're not walking through this together in the same environment. Yeah. And that has been the hardest thing. Well, yeah, we still will get through it, but this is unlike any other obstacle I've ever faced with any hardship we've gone through is being apart. Yeah.

God. And that's the tough part is people don't realize the impact that it has on families and children. And because let's face it, studies show that for children who have a parent that's incarcerated, they're more likely to become incarcerated themselves. Anxiety, depression, drugs. They lose friends. They lose. Yeah.

Yeah, they don't even feel like they would be able to have friends in a way because their dad's in prison because they've actually been treated like that. It's so hard on them. And yeah, it's unbelievable what it can do to the family. I've

We've fought hard to keep us all together and all, you know, we, that's why we do visit him so often. The children beg to go see him as hard as the drive is. This is very hard on us. There's not a time I go where they're not like almost all of them begging to go. Yeah. And I'm like, you know, it's going to be a long day. Why don't we take turns? They're still going to be begging. Yeah. They want to see their dad. They love their dad to death. And what's your, what would you say is your advice to anyone listening? That's about to walk this road.

It's going to be hard, but you will get through it. You may lose everybody. You may lose all your family and friends. I've been there. You can still get through it. But it's going to be hard. But just do it one day at a time. Did I ever foresee myself getting 16 months into this? I didn't. The day I dropped him off, I felt like my heart was ripped out of me. And I was like...

I'm not going to survive tomorrow, but I didn't have a choice, right? I couldn't stay in bed. I have 11 kids. So you, you get up, you get going. Everybody has to eat. Everybody had to, your life was forced to go on. And on top of that, they're homeschooled. She's a saint. She's an absolute saint. So obviously you say you're getting through it day by day, but how do you actually get through it? I talk about all the time being a

soul primary caregiver, emotionally, physically, financially. Like it's not easy. How do you do it? Well, I will say, okay, number one, God has gotten me up and literally carried me because I don't know how I've gotten through some days. I literally don't. The things, the mental load, there's been days that I've been dealing with things going on

around me that I've had to deal with and run and manage that I don't know when I look back how I got through that only can say that the Lord kept me and helped me get through the day. I have had such hard times of just...

for me, it's like, I gotta keep going. I can't stop the mental load, the physical load, the business load. We started out with a way to live after he was gone. He had, you know, set it up to work for me as a means of income. And that fell apart within months, within months of him leaving all the

Things that were planned to give me a means of survival, it fell apart. And I was left with figuring out how are we going to do this and how are we going to make it every month? Much to everyone's, that's not what they thought. People around me don't think that. Family, friends don't think that. They think we had it. They think we're living off of it. No, it's not been there. And it's been...

surviving every day, sometimes every day. There has been days where I didn't know how we were gonna pay the power bill. And I didn't know how we were going to get groceries. And even recently, I wanted to go see Patrick and I looked at my account and I was like, yikes, I don't have enough money for the gas because it's expensive to go up there and back in a day. - Yeah, 10 hours.

is really realistically, it costs me about $350 on a Saturday. And that's not then going in, you have to have all your money for the vending machines, right? Because we're there for hours and there's nothing to eat and drink, but vending machines. Well, with, if I bring seven or eight kids, you have to go in with about $45 cash. Well, and the vending machines just for, they went up, they upped their prices. So just for a soda, it's two,

- $2.50, I think. - Yeah, $2.25. - Yeah. - They went up, which was just like such a blessing. And so we're already, you know, they are not eating and now they upped the price. And that day in particular, I remember he had just gotten back to the prison. So I'm just dying to go see him. I don't know how I'm gonna do it. And my mail came late that day. It always comes at 1:30. It came at 5:30, it was on a Friday and there was a check.

And someone sent me a check. They wrote this check before I even knew the condition that I was going to be in on that day. And it was enough for me to keep going. It was once again like,

We can keep going. We can do this. I literally went from, you know, I don't even have much money to go put the gas in the car to we can go tomorrow and we can breathe. And I can send Patrick money for commissary because he needed to go to commissary and he won't ask me for the money because he knows how much I'm struggling just to take care of the kids.

but I knew that he doesn't even have money to get the basics that he needs, which I feel horrible about when I don't have it to give. And so God has provided when I, every time that something has happened where I don't know, we're at the point where I don't know. - I throw my hands up. - I don't know what we're gonna do. There's nothing I have to sell anymore. I sold the items that we could really benefit. It's something God has had happened.

It's a bizarre miracle and we've had the money to keep going and it has happened enough times that my kids my older ones that understand how bad it's gotten on certain days.

or like that day that that happened and that we opened the mail and there was a check and it was 5:30 and I Googled in the bank closed at six. - You had to have just sobbed probably. - My son was like, mom, he can't see the check in his words were, mom, another chapter for your book. 'Cause they tell me all the time, you've got to write a book on our life. It's been one amazing ride. And I was like,

You don't even know. Like it was just, and I got in his truck and I flew down to the bank and it was five 50 when I pull up, drop the check in. And the lady says, do you want this for deposit? I said, yes, ma'am. And if I can get some of it back, cause I know that if I deposit that, it's not going to clear. I need it for in the morning, you know? And she says, well, let me look at your account. And I thought, Oh no, I was like, I'm screwed.

Oh no. And she says, okay, I can give you some of them. She gave me enough back to do what I wanted to do that weekend, which was go see Patrick and be with him and be able to get groceries and all the things. So yeah, we've seen miracles and it's not my first experience with that. We have had miracles throughout our life.

you know, if I've ever wondered if God was real, I know he's real. I wouldn't be sitting here where I'm at right now if he wasn't real. Yeah. Because there's no way to make it through the things that I've gone through. It's not humanly possible. And still have a head on your shoulders. Yeah. And heck, I feel like we could talk forever. But that was the thing that I was going to ask you throughout all of this, when it comes to your faith, like you guys are very, like,

I mean, Patrick always used to bring Bible, like a Bible into visitation. Yeah. Like till they told him he can't anymore. I guess they're afraid he's going to put something in it. Yeah. All of a sudden he's not allowed to bring a Bible. Literally not allowed to bring a Bible to pray or read with your kids. Because we typically,

he had devotions every evening and we all sit around and he would read to us from the Bible and we'd study something. So we tried to do that when we could there to bring that back for the kids. I tried to continue at home, but I sure would rather him do it. But that's been quit. - And so throughout this whole thing, there has,

You have to have had moments to where you were so angry at God. I have had really, really low and hard moments. Why is this happening? Where are you? Am I just one of the ones that isn't blessed? You know, it's hard when you look around at people around you that, especially when they're judging you and you see everything going, it seems well for them. And you're like, where is it for me? You know? Yeah.

I've been hurt probably more through the Christianity I've witnessed through the people than I've actually really, I've not been hurt by God. You know, the Lord has not, he has not let me down. He has been there for me when I think he's not, he has. And he shows me that because I, I caught through that day when I didn't know where he was. He was there. Yeah. It's, it's the Christianity and it's the, what I've witnessed through the people that claim to be his. Yeah.

The lack of love they've had, the harshness, the judgment, the disconnect. They're so disconnected from my reality. That has hurt me, but he has not hurt me. And he's never abandoned me. He's never let me down. And for sure have I wondered, where are you? What is going on? You know, I have everything happening. And now this, even when he went to the jail recently, it was like,

Man, we've literally not had one thing go right since he went in. He applied for a two-point reduction. He didn't even technically get denied. He just never got the judge never answered back. And everybody says, oh, you always get that. I mean, there's no reason why you shouldn't get it. And I said, well, if there's a reason that you won't, you won't. Because that's how it goes with us. I like to say, if I didn't have bad luck, I'd have no luck at all.

- Our journey has been like, if it can go wrong, it goes wrong. - Yes, exactly.

It's not good because it's bad when you form that in your head, because then you expect nothing better. But then I'm not surprised when it goes wrong and people say, you can't say that. Like, you can't say it's going to go wrong. Well, I just know my reality. Sorry. Hate to be a Debbie Downer, but this is what's going to happen if it could go wrong. I, you know, when my, my son was a baby and he was born with heart problems, all the things that

others were doing well on, he was doing like the hospital stay that could be six to seven days was gonna be 14 to 15 days for him. It's kind of been a process for me, is learning patience and learning to how to get through it when it's not gonna go according to textbook and or according to how everyone says. 'Cause if it can go wrong, it goes wrong. - And that was another thing too. And then we'll wrap up guys, promise. But your son who has the heart defect,

Patrick applied for a compassionate release at one point. And for people that don't know, compassionate release is just something you can apply for. Like you've served time, but you have a loved one that, you know, has passed away or that's ill and you just need to get home to help take care of them. What was that story? Yeah.

So yeah, my son's situation is a permanent situation. He will never be. He was born with half of a heart and he's going to always be in this predicament. And so the thought process was that you actually are eligible to apply for this because you have a child with a lifelong condition.

So this was fall of last year. We applied for that. And I remember when the attorney called me to write up paperwork and he was asking me about my situation, my conditions. And do you have support? The questions that they needed to know to write up this paperwork. He says to me, you don't sound very optimistic that this could work.

And I said, what we were just speaking of, well, because kind of how my life has gone. If it's going to go wrong or if it's not going to work, if it works for everybody, it's probably not going to work for this. And he was like, well, for once, I'm more optimistic about this than my client. He said, normally my clients are pretty optimistic that it can work and I have to calm them down and be like, truth is it may not. And so I told him and he was like, well, I'm optimistic for you. I was not.

I knew honestly how that judge acted. Brandon was never a consideration during the whole trial. He didn't bring that up as even a issue to discuss. So I just knew we've gotten turned down. There's been no compassion. This is going to be once again the same.

And it was. So I wasn't disappointed. I got what I expected. And the warden was the one that denied it. So the warden denied it immediately. And so then you go to the judge with it. You take it to the judge. And we were told, well, the warden denying it is expected. Like, oh, supposedly at that time she hadn't granted any. And so...

There are a lot of wardens who do grant it. There are some. Apparently there are. Yeah. But in this situation, this warden has not granted any of them. And...

it causes you to take a step back and think like, these are the people running our system. Like, how do you first off zero compassion? Yeah. Like no grace for anyone, no understanding. We don't have, there aren't many wardens that go in to these places and sit down and talk to these men and women and try to get to know them and their stories and say like, Hey, how can I better serve you?

These wardens, they just show up for a paycheck and they try to cut expenses so they can get a share of the, you know, what they saved on the back end. Like, and that's what's so crazy is I just, it's so hard for me because you look at the people running these systems and heck the warden at FPC Pensacola, she has the men working

changing tires on her car and brakes. And they couldn't jump me when my car was, battery was dead. Your car, literally the battery was dead. And these guards came out and said, well, we've got jumper cables, but technically we can't do it because it's a government vehicle. We can't jump your vehicle. Now they did have a change of heart.

Praise the Lord. And they jumped my vehicle. Yeah. But yeah, it's just our system is so broken. And when the judge denied it, he I kind of read the stuff and I was it made me feel sick to my stomach. One of his statements was we haven't heard that the mom has died.

And I thought, wow, how cold. So there's been no death. The mother hasn't died. So she's good. She's got the support. It was that she has the support she needs. And I thought, how does he know? How?

Does he know if I even have support and if it's the support I need? What? Just such a disconnect. That man has never talked to me. He does not know my situation. No, these judges and these, they're so hardened by the system. I feel that way. And seeing these things that there is no human interaction. He's just another paper. He's just another number. That's what I said when I just spoke at this convention. I started off by reading books.

They're inmate numbers and I'm like they're just a number. Yeah, there's no connection from the criminal that they're looking at on paper to the reality of the family and the life that now they have to go on to live without them. Yeah. And there's nothing that can prepare you for that. Well, all I have to say is you are doing a killer job. A killer job.

I'm just trying. I do not feel that way. But I will do what I have to do to get us back together. And that's my end goal is he will come home one day. And there's nothing that will stop me from, you know, standing up for him and being there for him until he comes home. See, guys, we're not all so bad after all.

Behind all of these men and women are families that suffer every single day. And that's my reminder to anyone listening or watching this is to just be human. Like have a heart. Try to understand people's situations and scenarios because it's not all that you read. You have like,

5% of truth and then the rest is all this story that is just a lie that's been made up. - Yes, the media is, a lot of these people go on and they read it and they're like, wow, that's what he did? I wonder if there's even anything you read that he actually did. And it's so hard to hear that from people. I did hear that from people. I can't believe to read what he did. Oh yeah, yeah, now you believe the media? - Yeah, now you believe them, exactly.

Oh gosh. Well, chances are I will probably have more family members from these men and women that are serving time to just hear their story, give them a platform to share it. So if you're listening, thank you. You can watch on YouTube, go to our channel Unlocked with Savannah, and you can see us live in action. But until next time, God bless. And remember, have an open heart, please.

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