2GB Drive with Chris O'Keefe – Full show July 23 01:50:49

On Sydney's 2GB, this is Drive with Chris O'Keefe. Good afternoon, Sydney. It's a lovely winter's Tuesday, isn't it? I hope you're enjoying a little bit of sun on your neck and on the shoulders if you can get outside. 131873. But here's some not-so-good news. How would you feel about this? How would you feel if the price of your home collapsed? Yeah, the value of your home fell through the floor.

Well, it would scare the pants off many of us, me included, but this is what the Greens want to see with their new housing policy. And they're being pretty open about it. It's all quite absurd, isn't it? And quite dangerous too. I'll dissect that shortly. I also want to get to the bottom of why our road toll in New South Wales is so high. 358 people have died in the last 12 months on New South Wales roads, and that's the highest in 12 years.

Well, why is it happening? Is it just bad luck or is something more sinister at play here? And if you've got a medical advice like medical alerts or cardiac alarms, you need to figure out whether it's up to date with this 3G shutdown because in a few short weeks, those devices will be useless. I'll get some information on this for you a little later in the program. Right now, 20 degrees at Kernel and 20 at Pannonia.

It's eight and a half past three, 131-873 is our open line number. You can email me, drive at 2GB.com or text me, 0460-873-873. Now there's been an update to what's happened at Carlton train station on Sunday. And when I heard what happened at Carlton train station, my blood ran cold. So if you missed it, I'm sure there wouldn't be too many that have. But anyway...

You have a father who momentarily lifted his hands off his twin daughter's pram and he was tapping his Opal card, right? The pram didn't have the brakes on by the looks, rolled down the platform onto the tracks in front of a train. He dives down to try and save his daughters, the father, and he ends up losing his life and so does one of his girls.

And you've got mum and the twin left to deal with a tragedy that is quite obviously beyond comprehension for us. But listen to this. This is the update. So mum, her name's Poonam Runwal. She now finds herself having to navigate the immigration system to stay in Australia. So Mrs. Runwal is now confronted by the stark reality that her visa status in Australia is

is tied to her deceased husband's skilled visa. So they arrived, the Runwals, from India in October of last year, and the father, Anand Runwal, he was on a skilled visa and he was working in IT at North Sydney. So he comes out on a skilled visa and his wife and daughters were listed as dependents. Now, their status, their visa status, given Anand's death...

Well, it's now up in the air. Imagine being in her shoes, Mrs. Runwall, dealing with the immense sorrow of losing two loved ones, a child and a husband, while grappling with the uncertainty of your future in a country where you hope to build a life. So surely now is the time for empathy and humanity to prevail over what is bureaucratic rigidity. Surely our collective consciences...

And we can use that to urge Immigration Minister Andrew Giles to intervene immediately and intervene with compassion and humanity. Because surely Poonam Runwal and her daughter deserve the opportunity to stay in Australia if they wish to. They deserve to be able to continue to raise a family and to honour the memory of their husband and father and daughter and sister by building a future here. It's not about policies and paperwork.

It's about recognising the human impact of decisions made in offices like the Department of Immigration far removed from the reality of everyday life. I don't care what the rules are. I don't care what the immigration rules are in this situation. I don't care what the circumstances may be. Mrs. Runwell should get a letter or a phone call from Minister Giles assuring her of her status in Australia.

Because in situations like this, our country must show our true character. We must be kind. We must understand that being kind could make all the difference in Mrs. Runwell's journey toward healing and rebuilding her life. And it will be a long journey. So surely we need to advocate for Mrs. Runwell, this family. We need to advocate for them. Compassion and justice must prevail.

She needs to stay in Australia if she wishes. And if that is her wish, then we must allow it so she can find some peace amidst the storm of her grief.

on 2GB. It's Drive with Chris O'Keefe. Alright, the latest out of the United States of America, Vice President Kamala Harris has secured and pledged support, sorry, the pledged support of a majority of delegates to the Democratic National Convention. So she's the candidate, Kamala. She's got the support. So she is firmly on track now to lock up the party's nomination when they hand it to her officially next month.

And it will be her monumental task to take on Donald J. Trump. Now, the former Californian prosecutor and senator, she's got her work cut out for her with all the polls showing that she trails Trump.

But still, she says she's confident she will ride Joe Biden's coattails to the White House. And in her press conference earlier today, we got a sense of how this campaign will play out. Before I was elected as United States Senator, I was the elected Attorney General, as I've mentioned, of California. Before that, I was a courtroom prosecutor. In those roles, I took on perpetrators of all kinds. Predators who abused women. Fraudsters who ripped off consumers.

Cheaters who broke the rules for their own gain. So hear me when I say I know Donald Trump's type. And in this campaign, I will proudly, I will proudly put my record against his. Well, she tried this. She tried this sort of storytelling before Kamala Harris. So in the 2020 Democratic primary, it went terrible for her. This prosecutor strategy.

So technically, when the Democrat convention opens, delegates are still free to vote for the candidate of their choice. But this seems to be fait accompli now. She's got Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary and Bill Clinton. So effectively, she's running unopposed because no one's put their hand up to say, you know what, I'd like to be the Democratic nominee. So November's election, Trump v. Harris.

You know my feelings about this. I see a two-horse race and no good outcomes. 131873. Well, how about this one? Thieves have allegedly stolen, I can't believe this story, a two-metre-high World War I bronze honour roll plaque. See, you know the big honour roll plaques that say, you know, commemorate and remember those people

who fell fighting for Australia in the Great War? Well, somebody has stolen one from Tarahumara Memorial Park on Sunday night. So the plaque is bolted to the gate of Tarahumara Memorial Park. It's got two honour rolls on each pillar and only the left one was stolen, but it was funded through community donations in 1928, commemorating 67 local war heroes who bravely put their lives on the line for our country.

Who would steal something like this? Well, Sam Nye is the Mayor of Karingai Council and he's on the line for us. Mayor, thank you for your time. Nice to join. Do we have any idea who these people are? We currently have no idea. We're going out to the community asking for anyone with information to contact the police. We've also checked to see if there's CCTV footage, but from Memorial Park, we don't have any. Why would someone do this?

I don't know. Like, people can speculate, right? Initially, the community thought perhaps they've taken it away just to clean it and return it, right? But that's not the case. It's clearly stolen. It could be just the value of the metal, you know, bronze two metres worth. That's a lot of money. Or it could just be a prank. We really just don't know. What is it made out of? Is it made out of bronze or something?

Yeah, it's made out of bronze, so I don't know how much it's worth. I've been... I know that council staff are looking into the cost of replacing it, and it's not going to be cheap. We don't have the final quotes yet, but... Rough on it. It is... I don't know, it could be...

tens of thousands or something. I don't know. So it's a fair bit of money. It's not just a medal, it's actually putting all the names back on in the original form so that we can respect those who have made the ultimate sacrifice. So it is a lot of effort. It's pretty disappointing to hear and I've

I'm just asking whoever did it, please just return it. I don't care how you return it. Yeah. Is this on a roll that was stolen? Is this the original one that was funded through community donations, what, almost 100 years ago?

Yeah, so this is the original one from 1928. We do have records of what it looks like, the names on it, all that sort of stuff, so we can reproduce it. But it is quite disappointing for any member of the community whose family member has been involved or the community in general who have paid for this. Okay, not knowing this Tarahumara Memorial Park, have you got security cameras in the park itself? No.

Not in the park itself. It would never have occurred to us that someone would just come in and blatantly steal half of it. What about in the surrounding areas? Because I'm sure it's not something you can just put up your jumper, the honour roll at Tarahumara Memorial Park.

Yeah, yeah. So I don't have the full details of that. I know the police are looking into it this morning. They may come across some evidence further down the line, but at this stage, it's still early days. All right. It's a very, very low act. Mayor, I appreciate you coming on. Thanks so much. All right. Thank you. That's Sam Nye. He's the mayor of the Karingai Council. Can you believe that? 131873, what do you think? If you know anything about what this would be worth, give me a call.

So it's a bronze honour roll, 100 years old, to commemorate 67 war heroes in and around the Tarahumara area. And someone's gone in and pinched it from the Tarahumara Memorial Park on Sunday night. What a terrible thing to do. And what, do you melt it down or something? Does it go to a scrapyard? You tell me. 131873. It's coming up to 19 past three. It's 23 past three. I've just got a text here. There's Billy Goats saying,

On the shoulder of the road, grazing on grass. M5 heading south just a kilometre before the Campbelltown Road exit. So if you're heading south on the M5, wave to the billy goats. Grazing on the grass on the shoulder of the road there. One kilometre before the Campbelltown Road exit. 131873. Well, the company responsible for that blue screen of death outage on Friday hit us here at 2GB, didn't it?

It impacted, I think, 8.5 million computers right around the world. The problem being that the majority of those 8.5 million computers were big businesses, critical businesses, airlines, broadcasters, supermarkets, bottle shops, travel exchanges, Service New South Wales, you name it, it was hit, right? And the company responsible, CrowdStrike, has told Sky News that

They are absolutely sorry about it and they accept they made a mistake. So this is the CrowdStrike president, Michael Senatonas. And he explained that he personally apologises for what happens and he understands the disruption and distress that CrowdStrike caused for a lot of people. And he said that they put out an update, which they do regularly, and they've been doing for over a decade, CrowdStrike, yet they got this update very, very wrong. Software update.

He said CrowdStrike identified what the issue was very quickly. They stopped that particular file from being propagated, but unfortunately, a lot of people around the world did get access to that file. So while they put in a fix very quickly...

It fixed a file but didn't fix the machines that were impacted. So he also said that they're ready, CrowdStrike, for any potential class actions or legal claims of compensation as a result of the widespread outages. Wouldn't want to be CrowdStrike's insurer, would you? Because they're going to have to be paying a pretty penny. Jeez, I got that so badly wrong. 131873. If it's happening in Sydney, you'll hear it on Drive on 2GB.

Well, the New South Wales Liberal Party has written to ICAC to investigate the CFMEU. So the New South Wales Corruption Watchdog has been asked to investigate threats made by Darren Greenfield, who's the boss of the CFMEU here in New South Wales. And those threats were warning Chris Minns that the CFMEU would release the names of MPs and ministers that Greenfield himself met with prior to the last election. Oh,

I don't see it as that big a deal. There are going to be people meeting with unions all the time. I'm sure the Liberal government, when they were in power, were meeting with the CFMEU semi-regularly. Now, whether you do business with them, two different things, right? So Damien Tudor, I hope he's the Liberal shadow treasurer, and he sent a letter to ICAC's commissioner, former Attorney General John Hatzitsagos,

And he wants ICAC to investigate the ongoing role of the CFMEU within the Labor Party and its influence on determining policies and pre-selections for public officials. Whether or not they do that or not is two different things. Let's go to Mindy on the M5. Hello, Mindy.

On the M5 itself.

Yes. It was a bit of a side. I had to look twice. How many of them are there, do you reckon? I saw at least two, but I was surprised at the horns, the size of the horns on this thing. Well, the billy goats eat anything, don't they? Oh, yes, I think so.

Hey, Mindy, I've got a double pass to go and see The Woman in Black. It's a stage show coming your way, okay? Perfect. Thank you so much. You've got the Tuesday tip today. That's Mindy. If you see the Billy Goats, give us a call 131873. Sitting there on the shoulder, grazing on the grass of the M5 about a kilometre before the Campbelltown Road exit. Now, lots of people on text line about the bronze memorial roll that's been stolen at Tarahumara Memorial Park. Michael says...

Mate, they even steal the brass and bronze flower vases. The plaque's definitely gone to scrap metal yards. Roz says someone needs to sort out that poor woman's visa. Talking about the lady in Carlton, it's terrible.

And Rob says, Chris just checked the price of bronze at the scrapyards, about $6 a kilo. Rotten mongrel, we owe the men on those honour rolls. I'd call for the person to get rule 303 when caught too. Well, maybe not that far, Rob, but I take your point. 131873, let's check the news headlines. A news update. With great gas deals for your home, there's a bright side to winter. Call Energy Australia today on 133466. Conditions apply.

Josh Bright, g'day. Good afternoon, Chris. A city man has been charged accused of trafficking a 17-year-old to Australia from Indonesia for the purposes of sexual exploitation. Federal police say they've rescued seven potential victims in a crackdown. Karingai Council is pleading with whoever stole a bronze World War I honour roll to return it. It's been taken from Tarahumara Memorial Park sometime over the weekend.

The Transport Union in New South Wales is welcoming a police operation targeting offenders on the public transport network. And the Australian National Dictionary Centre is putting out a fresh call for contributions, this year focusing on iconic sports-related slang or phrases.

In sport Aussie, Josh Inglis has smashed 45 of 17 balls, including six sixes, to guide the San Francisco Unicorns to victory over Steve Smith's Washington Freedom in Major League Cricket. We'll have more news in sport at four. Thanks, Josh. Michael says, hey, Chris, Macquarie Street in the CBD. Just saw some billy goats too.

They're standing out the front of a really, really big building and they were getting fat on our purse. Good on you, Michael. There are a few gooses there too, I reckon. One, three, one. Oh, geese, I should say. One, three, one, eight, seven, three. Coming up, we've got a problem on our roads. There's been a 23% increase in road deaths in the last 12 months. It's the highest the road toll's been in something like 12 years. Well, why? What is the reason for it? I'll speak to the Shadow Roads Minister next.

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And here in New South Wales, it's at its worst. So in the past year, a 23% increase in deaths on our roads, an additional 67 people lost their lives. 358 people in total. Terrible, right? 67 more than last year. Jeez, that's a lot of families, 358. Now, the state opposition, they're pinning this squarely and fairly on the Minsk government. And they reckon there's been a $140 million cut...

In the road safety budget, well Natalie Ward, Shadow Roads Minister, she's on the line for us. Nat, g'day. G'day Chris. How's it Chris Minzer's fault?

Well, the numbers don't lie. Under the Liberal Coalition government, the road toll was going down. It's now going up, and not by a bit, and it gives me no joy to say this, but by a lot, 23% in New South Wales. In Queensland and Victoria, it's 9%. This is the highest increase in 15 years. So something is going wrong here, and I've been calling on the government for over 12 months to restore the funding for road safety. There's a clear road safety budget line item, and that's been cut.

by $100 million, and we're seeing the consequences. It's tragic. And they're good at media management, they're good at the spin, but they're clearly not managing the road toll here. And, you know, we've got a roads minister in John Graham, nice bloke, but he's the Minister for Nighttime Economy and the Roads. He's clearly more interested in saxophones than road safety. And I'm calling on them to do more and get focused on this, make it a priority. So can you explain to me the cut in funding?

Yeah, there's a specific line item in the budget that is for road safety. That number, year on year, was cut by $100 million. So I asked questions about that in a thing in the parliament called Budget Estimates and said, where's that gone? When was it cut? In the last, the budget before the most recent one and the interim budget. And so that has had a clear impact on road safety. I mean, I would be calling... How though? Well, because... How is the money spent?

I don't know. I don't know what they've done with that $100 million. I don't know where it's gone. In the past, what would that bucket of money be spent on? Yeah, well, that goes to specific road safety initiatives. The Centre for Road Safety has specific initiatives such as targeted testing, you know, random breath testing through police, but making sure there's education for young drivers, all those preventative things that we see that make sure young people on our roads and anyone on our road who, you know, could be a family member is...

You know, strips on the side of the road, those rumble strips to warn people when they're getting a bit tired. You know, all of those reflective, preventative measures on our roads and highways. Yeah, but they're all still there, aren't they?

No. They're an ongoing thing, and you're seeing in road safety that investment works. We know that we had the lowest road toll in 99 years under our government. I made it a priority, and I'm calling on this government, because these numbers don't lie, and they're not just statistics, Chris. These are human beings. These are family members that are never going to come home. And I've said to them, we'll be bipartisan on this, but the numbers...

are really bad, you know, and stop the spin. Stop talking about these trite demerit point issues. You know, think about every member on the road being a member of your family. Every other driver, you know, you want your family to come home after that drive and they expect to. So invest in it, save the life. Are the RBTs funded out of the road safety budget or do the police fund that? The police do that, but we know that the numbers are down on testing. So I've asked questions about that as well because they're significantly down. So that's got nothing to do with this cut, yes.

Not on that $100 million. No, that's a separate line item. But clearly, if you're not testing people, they're out there driving. Yeah, sure. But that's more educational, this stuff, is it? Yeah.

Yeah, that's right. But, you know, all of that investment goes to targeted programs that save lives. And, you know, roadside testing's important, education's important, but you've got to take responsibility for this. So far, this government has held a summit in response to our call for it. They've held a review. Now they've got a task force. Stop the talk and actually get the experts there to say, what can we do right now to save lives? You can increase testing, you can do more. You said it was at its lowest in 99 years under your government. What year was that? Yeah.

2020, I'd have to double check, 22, 23. And I did a number of media releases about that saying we want to get it to zero. You know, it's not good enough, but it was down significantly under us. You know, it doesn't give me any joy to see this number go up. These are real people.

And what we're saying is work with us to stop the talk and get some action here because, you know, it's tragic when you see these numbers. 23% in New South Wales compared to other states. That's horrific. Is it just bigger because we've got a bigger population now? I wouldn't use... I would not be using that as an excuse. I don't think so, no. Because ultimately, isn't a situation where, in many cases, this is just bad luck?

Absolutely not. It is not bad luck to be on a road and have a drunk driver. It's not bad luck to have someone speeding. It's not bad luck when you haven't got education in place, people aren't wearing a seatbelt. Yeah, but you can't just eradicate it. You can do your best, but you can't eradicate it. We've got to do better, Chris. We've got to do better. Yeah, but what I'm saying is politicising it. Is it a bit of overreach from you guys?

I'm happy to be as political as I need to be if it means saving lives. And frankly, when you've got a government that's not focused on this and is cutting funding and then you see a correlation with an increase in deaths, that's not OK. And my job is to hold this government to account. I'll continue to do that while the road toll under Labor is skyrocketing. What about the police?

Well, the police should be funded to do what they do best and that's keep people safe. RBT's, seeing police out on the road, highway patrol, funding those police to make sure that people are being tested and know that they could be tested at any time. Stopping people from speeding, ensuring that people know every kilometre increase the risk of death.

Educating young drivers. Now, keeping people safe is part of their job and they take that seriously, but they can only do so much as they're funded for. We want to stop the spin and get the programs out on the roads to keep people safe. And I want this government to stop talking and having road safety summits and take responsibility. Natalie Ward, appreciate you coming on. Yeah, great to be with you. Thanks. That's the Shadow Transport and Roads Minister, Natalie Ward. I'm always a little hesitant.

to jump down politicians' and government's throat when it comes to the road toll, only because I don't like politicising death. In some cases, it's preventable. In other cases, it's just bad luck. And I know that might sound cold, but it's true. 131873, I have noticed, though, there are not many hubby tees around anymore. I will say that. I haven't been pulled over for a very, very long time in a random breath test. I can't remember the last... Actually, when was it...

Probably three or four months ago, and that was the first in a long time. You tell me, 131873, what is going on here? Why have we seen a 23% increase in deaths on our roads here in New South Wales compared to last year? An additional 67 people lost their lives, 358 people in total. Call me, 131873. It's a quarter to four, lots of calls here. Let's go to Bob at Ride. Hello, Bob. G'day, Chris. How are you? Good, thank you, Bob.

Mate, I share your concerns about the road toll. I just came back from Wollongong at lunchtime today. You get on the motorway and you put the speed cruise control on 110 and people drive past you like you're standing still. I did exactly the same thing the other day. We drove back from up the coast somewhere and I just put it on 110 and there were people flying past me.

Yeah, it's ridiculous. And the one thing, as an ex-cop, I can tell you, mate, the horror patrol is nothing like it used to be. I'm getting a few texts about that, Bob. 41% of fatalities on New South Wales roads, mind you, come from speeding drivers. Good on you, Bob. Nick's at Randwick. Hello, Nick.

Yeah, go on, mate. Just letting you know, like, it's nothing to do with politics. Government can do whatever they like. It's not going to happen. It's the driver's habits. They're driving too close behind the vehicle in front of you. I drive buses around the eastern suburbs. So I've seen the habits, and they've got these screens in between where they can check everything, navigation and all that. So they're taking their eye off the road there. They've got their mobile phones.

on those suction caps and you can see them twiddling their fingers and that's a distraction and people, I mean road rage is another where people are in such a hurry around Sydney, they're in such a hurry to get to the next place, they've got to be there five minutes ago. I mean step back, have a look and if they were to see what their driving was like I think they'd be horrified.

I agree with you, Dick. And, you know, ultimately, they're decisions that people can make. But I just don't think it's possible to eradicate fatalities on the road. I just don't. It's a noble thing to try. But as long as you've got humans driving cars, unfortunately, I think those humans will make mistakes. Kelly's at Crookwell. Holly, Kelly? Hey, how are you going? I'm good, thanks, Kelly. How are you? I just...

Well, thank you. I want to challenge you a little bit on your assertion that you can't eradicate accidents. If you get a forklift driver's licence, it's a national competency. It can only be said in English. And there's a theoretical component that has a 100% pass mark. We have different states with different rules. And we have people coming from overseas who can't read or understand English and can't

They come out on their international driver's licenses and just run around and just do what they like and don't really follow road rules. So I just think that maybe we'd have to look at the laws on licensing for people on the road. A bit tougher than what we are. Fair enough, Kelly. I don't think anyone's going to argue that. I just, you know, if you've got six, I think we've got 5.9 million cars registered in New South Wales. So tell me how many drivers for that 5.9 million cars. I just think...

The odds are not stacked in humankind's favour, unfortunately. Neil Zedilla Wong. Hello, Neil.

G'day, mate. My big issue is that policing is being replaced by technology. Once you'd see police and mobile radars on the road, now there are speed cameras that are signposted so you know when to slow down. There are red light cameras so you know not to go through them. You travel on the M1 and you set your cruise control at 110, everybody comes with the speed cameras, they know where they are, they slow down, then they speed up again. Technology has replaced proper policing.

Yeah, I agree with that, Neil. And you know what? There is nothing... The more police you see on the roads, and this is especially over the Christmas and holiday periods. You know, I know we've had some bad ones of late, but overall, you kind of...

You know when you are driving in double demerit periods, there is every chance there's going to be a police officer somewhere. And the more you see, I reckon that is the best possible deterrent to poor driving. Neil, I appreciate your call. 131873. Peter's at Mossvale. Hello, Peter. Oh, g'day, Chris. Firstly...

god heaven help us if natalie ward's even considered as a future leader of the liberal party that's one secondly you're 100 correct research has shown that the more you have well the more vehicles on the road in the same area the greater probability of a crash or accident that's logical that's going to happen but i think the other contributing factor is just a general level of stress in the community for

from financial, it makes people rush, they're distracted. But I think that's a contributor as well, along with an increased number of vehicles on our roads. It's as simple as that. Yeah, and you know what? It's still down from...

People sort of have this view, right? It's still better than it was in the 80s. It's still better than it was in the 70s. We've never had safer cars. You know, it's not all doom and gloom, but we've had a really bad last 12 months. And I just don't know what the answer is. And is it people are, like you said, Peter, you might be right, that people are distracted. You've got the mortgage stress. You've got the cost of living crisis. Maybe so, but...

Surely there's some data that will tell us what are the ages? Is it kids? Is it country areas? Is it in Greater Sydney? Is it suburbs? Surely they can tell us exactly why these numbers are skyrocketing the way they have over the last 12 months. And maybe that can be instructive on a solution for it. Michael's at Camden. Hello, Michael.

Hello there, how are you going? I believe that the RTA is more interested in making money. A few months ago when the road toll went up a little bit, they said to come and tell us, but more speed cameras. They're more interested in making money than having highway patrol drive around and slow it. I mean, everyone knows if you see a highway patrol driving around, the first thing is you look down and check to see what you're doing. But if you see a speed camera, you just drive through it.

So they're more interested in money than they are in saving lives. That's my opinion. Good on you, Michael. Appreciate your call. David's at Liverpool. Hello, David. How you going, bud? Good, mate. Mate, I think it's got a lot to do with the education as well. I know with my two kids, when they had their learner's logbooks, they went out with the driving instructor. They more or less drove around our suburbs, like our suburb, the adjoining suburbs. And then when it comes to the last 10 hours on their learner's logbook,

They went and done the RTA driving course. So I believe that they're more or less getting taught to pass a test rather than learn to drive. That's a good one. But that's what's happening in, you know, you're learning to pass a test and get a good HSC score, not actually learn what the hell you're reading about.

Yeah, they're not putting them out in the traffic and teaching them to be observant. Not just look at the car in front of you. Look at the car, 10 cars in front of you. Keep the safe gap. They're not teaching that when they're driving around a suburb. Good on you, David. I appreciate that. Let's wrap this up. I've got Steve at Camden. Hello, Steve.

Hey, buddy. But dash cams, let's enable, have some way of enabling people to upload footage and the police actually acting on that. You jump on social media and everything else and see all these videos of people being idiots. If you could actually have a platform where you can upload data, it was investigated and people were sent tickets in the mail, pretty certain that would impact people's driving habits.

Yeah, well, Steve, people are using them, I reckon, lots and lots and lots of cars. I reckon you'd have millions of dash cams in cars at the moment, largely because of insurance claims, right? Correct. Yeah. Good on you, Steve. I appreciate that. I reckon that's not a bad idea. You know, and you probably could, as is at the moment. Now, with artificial intelligence and all the other technology that's coming online...

Would you be able to prove that someone was speeding via a dash cam footage? I don't know, but you can certainly prove that someone was driving dangerously. And if you've got that bit of footage and you can submit that to the police and the police feel like they can charge, well, off you go. I know there's plenty of Facebook sites and social media sites that people upload that dash cam footage to as a way to shame people into driving correctly, regardless of

It's not up for the government to solve. It's up for the community to solve. I think that's pretty key. It's up for all of us, drivers, to solve this issue. And a bit of education, whether or not it's a problem with the Labor government or cuts in budgets, I don't know. But, you know...

Nobody is going to stand at the pulpit at Macquarie Street and say, we're going to get the road toll to zero because it's just fanciful. It's six to four. Now, this is terrifying what happened up at Port Macquarie. So the Daily Telegraph and Dan Proudman are reporting this. But it was an off-duty police officer who stumbled across a seriously injured surfer after he was attacked by a shark.

So police and paramedics were called to North Shore Beach, which is just sort of north of Port Macquarie. It was about 11am this morning. 23 years old, this surfer. He's been taken to Port Macquarie Base Hospital for treatment. And members of the public raced to the man's aid after he was out of the water. So he's been bitten, gotten to the shore by himself...

And then an off-duty cop was the one who managed to raise the alarm. So the surfer, he is in a critical condition.

but a stable condition at Port Macquarie Base Hospital. So hopefully he turns a corner and is okay, but he's been bitten pretty badly by the sounds of things by a shark at North Shore Beach, just north of Port Macquarie, 131873. Coming up next, how would you feel if the value of your home collapsed? Well, that's what the Greens want to happen.

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Now back to Drive with Chris O'Keefe on Sydney's 2GB. It's seven minutes past four. Thank you for your company on this Tuesday afternoon. 131873 is that open line number. You can text me 0460 873 873 or email me drive at 2GB.com. Now coming up, you really need to know this if you have a medical device. You know those medical warning devices, the cardiac alerts, the

Well, the 3G shutdown in just a few short weeks will render those devices useless. So what should you do? Susie Teagan, she's from the National Rural Health Alliance. She'll join us on the program. Live on 2GB, have your say. 131 873. Well, Kamala Harris will be the nominee for president for the Democrats. It's pretty well done now.

And she did it quickly too, didn't she get the support quickly? And she's got a near certain majority for her election candidacy, but she's also selected Kamala Harris and Anthem for the campaign trail. So this is being reported by CNN. So Kamala Harris, in 48 hours, has not only received enough support to win the nomination...

She's also secured the blessing of Beyonce, R&B pop star, pop legend Beyonce, to use her song Freedom for her presidential campaign. So this is her entrance music, like it's a world wrestling match or something. I don't know, but that's Kamala Harris. It's a good song, you have to admit. Beyonce, Freedom. So you'll be hearing a lot more of that as we...

Head towards November's presidential election. I think the Trumpster was using back in black. Must have got that little one for a scomo, right? 131873. Now, I am very anti the Greens, as you know. And I am very, very anti their housing spokesperson, Max Chandler Mather. And look, the Greens are, I reckon, a racist party.

Max Chandler-Mather has ridiculous ideas when it comes to solving the housing crisis in Australia. And do you know what Max Chandler-Mather has said? He said that his party, the Greens, wants house prices to go backwards. He wants your home to be worth less. I'm not lying. So this is his quote. The Australian newspaper did an interview with him, and this is his quote. Max Chandler-Mather, the Greens housing spokesperson, quote...

I think our goal, our stated goal, is to stop house price growth. So 0% growth. Max Chandler-Mather, the Greens spokesperson for housing, he also argues that forcing councils to approve more land for development could be a disaster. Now, he reckons that just benefits developers and investors. And the Greens do not want the private sector to build homes.

They want the government to do it. So this is what Max Chandler Mather's plan is for housing for the Australian people to adopt. He wants the government to build the houses, hundreds of thousands of them, sell them to the public, and then us, the public, sell it back to the government for what we bought it for, plus some nominal indexation. You know what that is? Communism.

Lennon would be proud, wouldn't he? What a goose. Stability in the property market is crucial for many, many Australians. The value of someone's home is often leveraged to pay for school fees, protect their family from financial hits or economic downtimes. It's mortgaged to keep the small business going, whatever it is. It is the value of the family home that is leveraged into debt to allow people to exist. And Max...

He wants the value of what he's offered in the family's only asset to go down. Look, I get it. We've got to fight housing affordability, but not at the expense of 67% of Australians that own their homes. 67%. And shouldn't the debate be about availability, not affordability? Availability. The more homes and the more choice we have...

the more of a lid we can put on this obscene growth that we've seen, obscene unaffordability that we've seen. Max Chandler may or may not disagree. He reckons that, quote, the alternative to his view was,

is this continued Ponzi scheme of the government flooding the housing market with cash to investors in the form of tax handouts, like negative gearing, encouraging banks and property developers and investors to participate in this mad, highly financialised housing market. A housing market that works for investors and developers and banks. It does not work for homeowners or for people trying to enter the housing market.

If it becomes too over-leveraged, the whole thing could collapse like we saw in the United States. Now, Max, Max, Max, Max, Max, Max, that's neither true nor is it likely, given our system is chalk and cheese when it comes to the United States. Australia is far stricter on lending rules and serviceability requirements than America is, and America has been. So hands up, 131873, if you reckon the government should have more power

Imagine if Adam Baird was in charge and in control of the country's housing stock. The Greens are such a shocking blight on Australian discourse when it comes to policies like this. Policies that are so important. And I think maybe it's time a reality check on what's practical and what is just plain mad. Inside Word on everything Sydney. It's Drive with Chris O'Keefe on 2GB.

Liberal Senator Andrew Bragg's on the line for us. Senator, thanks for your time. Chris, how are you going? You're the Coalition's housing spokesman. You happy for your home to be valued less, devalued? Well, the good thing about this is it makes it very clear that there'll be a clear choice between the Greens that want a socialised housing system, the Labor Party that want a feudal system where the super funds own the houses, and the Liberal Party where individuals reign supreme.

Do you buy it? Availability over affordability. That's what I think we should be talking about. And why then would the Greens say that private development is all about greed? Well, it's crazy. I mean, the only way to solve the housing crisis is to get the builders and the developers to actually build more houses. And if you increase taxes, you'll have fewer houses.

So the whole plan is kind of quite crazy. I don't really understand what he's talking about when he talks about the US property market, as you said before. I mean, the major banks have very low levels of delinquencies. So there's no comparison there. But the point is we need to build more houses rather than socialise the system. Do you think that the Labor Party is tempted by the idea? Elements of the Labor Party are tempted by the idea?

Well, if you were to play around with negative gearing and capital gains tax, I mean, I think anyone who's normal knows that that wouldn't make very much difference anyway. I mean, if it was that simple, I mean, I wish it was that simple. So I don't think that even they would be tempted to play around with these taxes, although at times they have talked about it internally.

And in terms of socialising the property market and then having price controls, I think the Greens are on an island there. I don't think anyone else is going to take that policy on board.

Do you think that there is a role at all for governments to build hundreds and hundreds of thousands of homes, given that the financial situation at the moment is, the truth is, with interest rates, with taxes, with the time it's taking for councils to rubber stamp developments, private developers themselves, they just can't make these things financially stack up. So they're not doing them. Well, Chris, I hate to break it to you, but the government's not very good at building houses. I mean, in 2018, we were building...

230,000 houses. Now, with all these Housing Australia Future Funds and everything else Labor set up, we're only going to build about 160,000 houses this year. So, I mean, we're kind of going in the wrong direction, despite Labor having erected a huge housing bureaucracy. So the only way to solve the housing crisis is to get the private economy to build more houses. Now, that's not going to happen if you increase taxes. So we've got to make it easier not

not harder. And this plan sounds like communism, but also it will be much harder to build houses. Andrew Bragg, as always, I appreciate you coming on. Okay, thanks, Chris. That's Liberal Senator Andrew Bragg. 131873, what do you think the Greens are all about? Clearly, it's all about communism, right? They want the government to be building the homes and we live at the behest of the government. And if you've got 67% of Australians that own their own home,

And I know that there are a portion of young people, trust me, I know, that don't feel like they can ever get into a home. Sure, we've got to be creative in the way that we get our children and our grandchildren into their first property. Is that via accessing some super? Is that via build to rent? Is that whatever it is? Whatever it is.

There can be creative solutions to this, but you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater and punish 67% of the country in the meantime. 131873. Inside Word on everything Sydney. It's Drive with Chris O'Keefe on 2GB. Well, did you see that the Secret Service Director, Kimberly Cheetle, she was...

at a, well, some type of oversight committee. So this was the House Oversight Committee in Washington, D.C. And she was asking questions about the near assassination of former President Donald Trump. And geez, didn't she cop it. The Secret Service Director, Kimberly Cheetle, there was bipartisan calls for her resignation. The Secret Service's solemn mission is to protect our nation's leaders. On July 13th,

We failed. As a director of the United States Secret Service, I take full responsibility for any security lapse of our agency. We are fully cooperating with ongoing investigations.

I believe, Director Schiedl, that you should resign. I think there are colleagues on both sides of the aisle who believe that, and I hope you'll consider it. ...design today. Today. Both sides of the aisle today have asked for your resignation. Would you like to use my five minutes to draft your resignation letter, yes or no? No, thank you. Why was he allowed to take the stage with a suspicious person having been identified in the crowd? Sir, I appreciate the question, and I'd like to make two points.

If the detail had been past information that there was a threat, the detail would never have brought the former president out onto stage. That is what we do, and that is who we are. We are charged with protecting all of our protectees. At any point Saturday, did the Secret Service have an agent on top of that roof?

Sir, I'm sure as you can imagine that we are just nine days out from this incident, and there's still an ongoing investigation. And so I want to make sure that any information that we are providing to you is factual. Okay. Why did the Secret Service not, can you answer why the Secret Service didn't place a single agent on the roof? We are still looking into the advanced process and the decisions that were made. Okay, okay. Wasn't that building within the perimeter that should be secured? Do we agree with that?

The building was outside of the perimeter on the day of the visit, but again, that is one of the things that during the investigation we want to take a look at and determine whether or not other decisions should have been made. The number one question everyone in America is wondering is why was the roof left open? And after nine days, we should at least maybe have a little bit of that information. And when you come to this committee hearing and you don't have anything to say about that, it's very, very troubling.

Yeah, it is troubling. And she was terribly underprepared. Secret Service Director Kimberley Chetel, whether she could say anything or not, I think is irrelevant. She should have had some sort of insight as to what went wrong. Sure, she took responsibility for it. But the fact that Thomas Crooks was able to get on the roof outside of that rally there for the Republicans and carry a rifle...

Have Secret Service agents alerted time and time and time and time again, hey, there's a guy on the roof there. Don't let the president on stage. They let the president on stage regardless, and a whole bunch of shots are fired. Talk about a monumental failure of the Secret Service. I don't think the director will be in her job much longer. 21 past four. Don't be so paranoid, says the Kremlin. We're not spying.

Come on. This story's in the Financial Review. So Australian security agencies, they're trying to paint Russia as bogeyman. And Russians living here are now at risk of arbitrary arrest. This is according to Moscow's top diplomat in Canberra. So this is less than a fortnight after there were those two Russian-born naturalised Australians who have been accused by the AFP of spying for the Kremlin.

And you've got Russia's ambassador to Australia, Alexei Pavlovsky. And he suggested the Brisbane couple were unwitting pawns to justify Australia's ongoing military aid for Ukraine. Of course, they were. So, look, they're yet to enter, please. This is the Korolevs, Kira Korolev, as well as her husband, Igor Korolev. Igor can hardly speak English. Kira, she was in the Australian Army for many years.

And Dr. Pavlovsky, the ambassador, says that, quote, I think that in my perspective, what is essential is timing. The Korolevs were arrested of all days on the day it became known that another 250 million of Australian taxpayers' money was going down the drain to fuel the senseless and tragic war the Kiev regime is waging.

I think that airing this story was meant to somehow reaffirm the image of Russia as a threat to Australia, thus vindicating Canberra's continued involvement in NATO's hybrid war against Russia. Well, they're either spying or they weren't spying. And the AFP has said they are. And I don't think that there's any suggestion either way at this point, because a court will sort that out because that's what happens.

Ambassador Pavlovsky. In Australia, we've got courts that deal with this stuff, not a dictator nor the Kremlin. 131873. Now, international student caps, they would be over extensive in their reach, according to the Law Council. And this is changes to the legislation that would allow the Albanese government to cap international student enrolments. And the Law Council reckons that

They've reviewed the proposed changes and they said it may not be appropriate for the government to automatically cancel or suspend courses for international students based on our current and future skill needs when international students often undertake courses that are useful in their home country. Yeah, but the law council, maybe so, but you guys are just, you're the ones who are overextending your reach, unfortunately.

Because the population of Australia, the people who are here now, believe that there are far too many international students coming to Australia. And it's the universities as important as our education system is as an export. And it's a critical export. It's just gone too far.

And the consequence it has on the community, on the roads, on public transport, on housing, on buying a house, on rentals, on casual work, everything that goes with it is extensive. And that can't be dismissed because of a matter of law. Now, obviously, the Albanese government can change the law to suit their policy position. And I, for one, back Albo and his crew for capping international students.

Inside word on everything Sydney. It's Drive with Chris O'Keefe on 2GB. Just on the Greens housing policy, they'll build it, the government will build it, they'll sell it to people and those people will then sell it back to the government for what they purchased it for. Ian's called in from Caloundra. Hello, Ian. Yeah, g'day, Chris. How are you? I'm all right. What do you make of it?

Look, to me, this is sort of the icing on the cake for the Greens. I mean, I reckon they've been headed this way all along. If you look at their policies, they've been...

residential investment for ages. Things like rental caps, rental freezers, very, very tight restrictions on when you can evict tenants, free run on pets, land taxes, you name it. And all of that is going to end up in lower value property and encouraging investors to get out of residential and

you know, flood the market with cheap property. So to me, they've been overtly saying this for ages, that they want the market value of houses to go down. They do indeed, Ian, and they're just saying it now, aren't they? They're just saying it out loud. Good on you, Ian. You have a good day. Rob's at Bondi. Hello, Rob. Hey, Chris. Good afternoon. Good afternoon to you. So...

I remember my grandmother saying back in the 50s, always beware the reds under the bed. And with the...

the two Russian people that have been alleged to have committed espionage in Australia. It's quite shocking. But the Greens Party themselves in Australia, they should call themselves the Watermelon Party. So they're green on the outside and they're damn red on the inside. So they're just there to hide their communistic views. So they're not worried about the environment on koalas or whales anymore. So it's their socialistic ideology that...

Yeah, they're a long way away, Rob, aren't they, from the party of Bob Brown. I've got a run. I've got a Spinal Design Anatomic Align Pillow from the Rockdale Mattress Factory coming your way, Rob. Good on you. 131873 in the Anatomic Align Pillow from the Rockdale Mattress Factory. It is Australia's first natural, ventilated and adjustable pillow. It's valued $219. Rob just got one for free. Visit rockdowmatressfactory.com.au.

In the newsroom, Josh Bryant. G'day. Good afternoon again, Chris. 50 people have been evacuated from a unit block at Maryland's after a fire broke out on level 5 of the building. Fire crews are on the scene. Lifeguards say members of the public used makeshift tourniquets to help a surfer who was attacked by a shark at a beach near Port Macquarie. He's in hospital in a stable condition. Kamala Harris says she secured the broad support needed to be the Democrats' presidential nominee just days after Joe Biden dropped out of the race.

And the latest round of tax cuts has helped boost consumer confidence over the past week, according to data from ANZ showing a six-point increase. In sport, Boomers medical staff are optimistic that Dante Exum will play at the Paris Olympics despite a finger injury. He is expected to miss Saturday's opener against Spain. We'll have more news in Sport at 5. Thanks, Josh. Coming up, if you've got a medical device that uses 3G, so it's a cardiac alert, whatever it is, crucial medical devices...

Now, in just a few weeks, they will not work. How do you know if yours is one of them? We'll find out next. I didn't realise I could stick with my industry super fund when I retired. Thankfully, I discovered if I stayed, I could set up a regular income, take money out when I wanted, and the rest can grow over time. Stick with your industry super fund in retirement. Visit compareyourretirement.com today.

Past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance. Consider the fund's PDS and whether the product is right for you. It's 24 to 5 and the 3G network is being shut off in the coming weeks. And we've spoken about this extensively here on this program. And today, a Senate inquiry has been held in Cooma in the Snowy Mountains. So the inquiry has heard that the shutdown will put medical devices in danger.

including, concerningly, cardiac alarms. Now, there are concerns that vulnerable people who are not quite as au fait with technology and information and media to understand what this 3G shutdown means for their device, well, those vulnerable people may well just slip through the cracks. Susie Teagan, she's the CEO of the National Rural Health Alliance, and she spoke at the Senate inquiry today, and she's on the line. Susie, g'day.

Oh, hi, how are you? I'm well, thank you, Susie. So how many medical devices, can you quantify it? How many have we got here that will not work?

Well, that's the problem because we've got independent businesses, for example, Care Alert, Tunstall Healthcare, the Australian Personal Emergency Response Services Limited and others. They all are manufacturers or service providers of medical alarms. And we really don't know, you know, how many of those have reached out to us

the patients. We don't know whether they've been communicating with Telstra and others and whether there is a connection in terms of working out whether all of those people that are using personal emergency response services, are you still using 3G or whether they've converted to 4G or 5G?

So it's a bit of a problem. Sure. These cardiac alarms, can you tell me what they do? Well, they basically respond when there is a bit of an idiosyncrasy for a particular person. And it just basically tells critical life-threatening cardiac problems of that particular patient. Okay.

Right, and it fires off some information to what, the ambulance or something of the like? Yes, correct. Okay, okay. And they measure all sorts of, you know, different areas of that patient and they're sent back to head office and if there is anything that's out of the norm,

it will send an alarm. And it's similar. I remember my grandmother had one, one of those alarms. So if you have a fall, it goes around your neck. If you have a fall and you can't get up, you can press that alarm. Is this the same technology? It's similar, yes. Okay.

So where are we at then? Has the government got any sort of idea? Because these devices, I'm sure, would be a bit of a sort of security blanket for people, wouldn't they? And a crucial bit of kit that they've got at home to make themselves, give themselves peace of mind as to their own health. So has the government got any idea as to how many of these are out there and whether or not the manufacturers themselves are, or they're satisfied the manufacturers have been contacting customers?

Well, that is the reason why there's been a Senate Standing Committee on Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport Reference. And they're actually looking at...

the 3G switchover for regional telecommunications. And it's quite concerning because rural, remote and regional Australia in particular are areas that we're concerned about because we have areas that lack reliable connectivity. There's

There's often no local health service and it can create extreme and unnecessary risk during emergency situations and also create a barrier to receiving telehealth services. So if I've got people listening right now who are thinking to themselves, I've got one of these things or one of my friends has one of these things or one of my family members may have a 3G medical advice, what is your advice for them?

Well, the first thing is that they need to get in touch with their doctor, but also reach out to the entity that the response goes to. So the manufacturer and service provider of that particular medical alarm

In addition to that, with the shutdown of the 3G mobile network, people can actually get onto www.3closure, so it's 3Gclosure, so 3Gclosure.com.au, and they'll be able to check with a group of tools

to see the make and model of their mobile device. And it's really important. And for those people that are worried about their handset not being able to make an emergency call to triple zero, what they can do if they are with Telstra and Optus, they can text number three

to 3498 and check if their device is supported after 3G closes. Because if it is not supported, they will very likely have to upgrade their system. And, you know, that's a real problem for people because it may cost them money to change over. Okay. Susie, I really appreciate you coming on and thank you for all that information. It's really worthwhile.

Thank you. That's Susie Teagan. She's the CEO of the National Rural Health Alliance. So just that again, www.3gclosure.com.au www.3gclosure.com.au It's happening in only a few weeks and you don't want to leave yourself short. It's 18 to 5. It's 14 minutes to 5. Now, police, this is a very strange story.

They've arrested a bloke after an incident at a car dealership in Granville. So this was at 10am this morning and police and firefighters, they were called to reports of a man causing a disturbance at this car dealership at Church Street, Granville.

And they arrested a 69-year-old man. And what they're alleging, police, is this 69-year-old man has allegedly lobbed up at the car dealership on Church Street at Granville, threatened staff with a hammer, 69, poured petrol in the showroom floor before igniting it. So he's shown up, allegedly, at the car dealership.

threatened everybody with a hammer as he was waving it around, then pours petrol all over the showroom floor where there is brand new cars, mind you, and then sets fire to the petrol. So luckily the fire was extinguished by staff members.

There was a lady who was taken to, well, treated anyway by ambulance for some minor smoke inhalation. But the guy himself, he's at Maryland's police station right now assisting with inquiries. Was it a sale gone wrong or something? Anyway, very strange way to behave if you weren't happy with the deal that you got at the car shop, right? 131873. Here's another weird one. And I'll get Deb Knight's view on this a little later. But we were talking yesterday.

in the office about it. So Gen Z, these are the sort of teenagers to early 20s. Did you know that wearing ankle socks has gone out of fashion? I had no idea. I wore ankle socks this morning. I did some exercise at the gym. Ankle socks. Play golf? Ankle socks. If I go to the shops? Ankle socks. Wear them under jeans? Whatever. Do you wear ankle socks? Or the Gen Zers, so the kids reckon that ankle socks...

It's absolutely uncool. So apparently wearing ankle socks is not cool. And it's a fashion faux pas these days. And I threw it around. And Emily, who is our resident Gen Z-er, reckons, no, no, no, no.

Terrible fashion decisions if you wear ankle socks. You've got to get the ones that are nice and high. And I've got Michael in the studio too. He's a younger guy. He's nodding. What's wrong with the ankle socks? When all of a sudden did they go out of fashion? Give me a call. 131873. Drive with Chris O'Keefe on to GB.

Well, happy birthday to Slash. He's 59 years old today. Well done. Slash, 59 years old. He's lived a hell of a life, hasn't he?

Hell of a life. And we were just going through some of his hits. Gee whiz, hasn't Slash just absolutely lived the life of Riley in terms of his successes in Guns N' Roses, Velvet Revolver, and then, of course, just Slash himself. So 59 years old today. Jeez, I reckon he's got some stories to tell. 131873. ♪ music playing ♪

59 years old today. Happy birthday Slash. Now, Western Sydney nurses and midwives, they've been rallying today for a 15% pay rise. So you've got nurses and midwives at Westmead, Cumberland, Blacktown, Auburn and Mount Druitt hospitals, as well as the Children's Hospital at Westmead. They are rallying to fight for fair pay.

And they want a one-year 15% pay lifeline to fix the staffing crisis, they say. Now, notice Chris Min said, look, we'd love to give them as much money as they want, our nurses, but unfortunately there is a limit to what we can spend. I know the teachers got plenty. Surely there's plenty for the nurses, right?

There's got to be plenty for the nurses. And according to the Nurses and Midwives Association, they say there is clear evidence that the low pay is driving shortages of nurses and midwives across the state and it's time that the government acted to stem the loss. Well, you know.

Of all the professions, I'm not going to bag the nurses for going in as hard as possible to get as much as possible. Well done. 131873. Just on ankle socks, Elizabeth makes a good point on the text line. Who gives a rat's what Gen Z thinks? High crew socks look stupid, especially with tights. They make your legs look short. Good on you, Elizabeth. Nathan's at Cherrybrook. Hello, Nathan.

Yeah, mate. How are you? Are you pro or anti-ankle socks? Yeah, got to go the ankle socks. Well, did you know that they're out of fashion? Look, I did hear you say that and Gen Z will come up with anything not to be trendy. Fair enough. Good on you, Nathan. Appreciate your call. Carla's at Oran Park. Carla, did you know?

That they're out of fashion. Yeah, well, I've got a 17 and 19-year-old daughter. So you're well across it. Yeah, so it's a sock without wearing a sock. So you can't see the sock inside the jogger.

But there is a sock, but they make out that they're not wearing a sock, right? So it's below the ankle. So when I once wore a sock and they could see it, they just said, Mum, you don't wear those socks. These are what you wear. You only wear the low socks, so you can't even see the socks. So all the ones that I know, all the youth, they don't wear a sock that you can see. So just what happens if they're doing some exercise or something? Same thing?

Well, I mean, I even see young guys. So my kids are in a youth group. And even the young guys that are wearing a dress shoe, like a shiny black dress shoe to church, you can't even see their sock. They've got a sock hidden inside the dress shoe and they're three-quarter pants, so it looks trendy. But they've all got socks on, but you just can't see them. So I'm anti-too-much-ankle.

Especially for, like, if you go to the races, and I think that's, I saw a bloke at the race. It used to be a trend, and I was in Melbourne for Melbourne Cup. And Carla, don't you think it looks terrible when guys are in suits? They've got nice suits on, beautifully tailored, ties on, lovely shoes. They look a million dollars, and then they roll the cuffs of their pants up, their trousers up, and you just see full ankle.

Yeah, I'm not big on the suit with the day sock kind of look, I must admit. But I don't mind the girls. I've seen a nice dress and they've got a cute little white jogger on and the sock's hidden. It doesn't look too bad, to tell you the truth. I think it could look quite cute. But, yeah, ankle socks aren't in. I don't see them wearing crew socks. They just wear a hidden sock. Lots of kids are saying, oh, no, no, we've got to wear the crew socks. Now, I remember it wasn't that long ago that the higher your sock, the nerdier you were.

It's like Harry Highpants, you know? Anyway, I am... Hey, Carla, you get old quickly, don't you? Maybe because I'm in my late 30s, I'm only just coming to that realisation that I'm getting old and fast. Carla, you have a wonderful afternoon. 131873, it's five to five. Well, there's a cybersecurity expert that says that highly sensitive data of, get this, 12.9 million of us, 12.9 million Australians...

that sensitive data has been stolen from an e-scripts provider, MediSecure. Well, cybersecurity experts reckon that this data's already been sold. Six and a half terabytes it is. It's got names, phone numbers, addresses, Medicare numbers.

And also medical information as to which drugs people had been prescribed and why. So MediSecure was effectively the software company that allowed you to use e-scripts. And any Australian who'd used MediSecure inadvertently, well, you've had your data stolen and sold.

Good, right? 131873. Coming up after the five o'clock news, we'll cross to Paris. Clinton Maynard's got an update about that terrible gang rape in Paris. All I wanted in retirement was to feel confident with my money. So I picked an income account with my industry super fund. Now I take enough for day-to-day things, splash out when I fancy, and the rest can grow over time. Stick with your industry super fund in retirement.

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This hour, I've got $200 if you want to win free petrol in the duel for fuel. We'll check in with Mark Levy, see what's up coming up on Wide World of Sports and Deb Knight, the host of Money News, to see how the market's fared. Opinions that matter. News you can trust. This is Drive on Sydney's 2GB. Now, this is highly concerning and gut-wrenching, really. It just makes you feel sick.

So the allegation is a 25-year-old woman, Australian woman, has told police that she has been raped by five men in Paris just days before the Olympic Games. So the alleged victim sought refuge in a kebab shop, and this was just metres from Moulin Rouge in the middle of Paris, in the early hours of Saturday, Paris time,

And staff told police that the 25-year-old Australian woman's dress was on backwards. And she told staff that she had allegedly been sexually assaulted by five men described as being of African descent. Well, Clinton Maynard, 2GB's Olympics reporter, he's in Paris. Hopefully can shed a bit more light on what's going on. Clinton, g'day.

Good afternoon, Chris. The information was very scant when this story broke several hours ago. Now, I reached out to the Department of Foreign Affairs straight away and they took about eight hours to get back to me. And I'd suggest that's because they didn't know exactly what has occurred here. I do have a statement from particularly the Paris Police Union.

And they say, despite all the obstacles, investigators do everything possible to quickly identify these people and send them to justice. Several investigation techniques will be used along with all technical and scientific police. So what has occurred here, as you've explained, she has allegedly been attacked by up to five men, reportedly of African descent. And then the...

People at the kebab shop, those who were working at the kebab shop, have found her disorientated, allegedly drunk, and have then taken her to hospital. Now, she was meant to leave the country on Sunday. There are varying reports whether she's actually still in the country or not. When the Department of Foreign Affairs finally got back to me, and I suspect other reporters as well, they confirmed they were urgently making inquiries with the Paris police and they will provide any consular assistance necessary

that is necessary but that is the extent of their statement now i'm just at the olympic media center at the moment and the chef de mission of the australian olympic team and his has just responded to this obviously because now the tourist has nothing to do with the australian olympic team but given the number of australians who are in the city at the moment there is concern

about security. And she's been asked if she is worried about security for the team, given what has happened here. She says, firstly, the reports are horrific, but she doesn't have any further details. But they have given their athletes, and this was prior to this particular story, information about security in Paris, that they need to take care when they leave the athletes' village, and when they're not going to a competition venue or a training venue, they've been asked not to wear their

Australian uniforms, that can draw attention to them. And they have done that in some previous Olympics as well. So far, no athletes have actually told any of the players that they have any concerns for their safety. Parts of Paris, the Paris Centre itself, it's pretty safe. I've visited it a couple of times. But in the surrounding suburbs, it can get a bit how's your father. Just to make it clear,

To your knowledge, has the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade been in touch with this woman? I do not know yet. There are theories all over the place here in Paris about what exactly has happened. But the only confirmation I have from DFAT themselves is they are urgently making inquiries with the Paris police. So it is unclear officially yet. Look, you're right about security. It seems that the greatest threat on the stretch of central Paris...

and I'm making light of this, are pickpockets. That's actually a really big problem in Paris, pickpockets. But I was, you know, very late last night, I was there in the Trocadil area near the Eiffel Tower,

where much of the opening ceremony after the athletes come along boats in the River Seine will take place. And the security there is intense and it actually makes you feel safe there. There's a lot of roads that are barricaded off, but there are military work walking everywhere with very large weapons. So you do feel safe there on the streets of central Paris, but in the suburbs would be a different story. Hey, just before I let you go, I just heard in the news there with Adam Hawes,

that there's an Aussie water polo player, female, who's got COVID and she's isolating. Are we still doing this? It takes us back three or four years, doesn't it, Chris? Look, Anna Mears has just made this revelation that there's a female water polo player in the village who is isolating from her teammates.

She says, Annemarie says, this is not a repeat of Tokyo. Athletes aren't going to be suddenly barred from competition or sent home because they have COVID. This athlete has followed all the protocols. As soon as she showed signs of symptoms, she went to the in-house doctor. They have here within the Australian Olympic team all the testing equipment themselves to conduct tests on the spot. She did that. She followed every necessary measure. She is...

being isolated from the team, they are following all the same protocols they would follow with any respiratory illness. So they can be chock-a-block of COVID and they're still going to compete. Doesn't matter. It's up to them. Quite possible. There's no cause being made whether she will compete yet, but the symptoms are mild. We've seen in other sports, international sports, on plenty of occasions, players with COVID now competing. So one wouldn't suspect she would. Good on you, Clinton. I appreciate it.

Thanks, Chris. That's Clinton Maynard, 2GB's Olympics reporter, live there in Paris. So it seems that the 25-year-old, it's still up in the air as to whether or not DFAT have contacted her and whether she is still in France at all. And when it comes to the COVID water polo player, you wonder why Anna Mears even mentioned it. Seriously, just don't worry about it. Just tell the water polo player to take a couple of codrills and off you go.

First with the news, only in Sydney. It's Drive with Chris O'Keefe on 2GB. Well, after 16 months of the Minns government, I reckon it's fair to say that they need to get a wriggle on with building houses. And Michael McLaren, he spoke about this earlier in his program, but it feels like there's not many of us asking the obvious question. Where are the homes? Seriously.

We've heard all of the motherhood statements and all of it's been noble, but you know, you hear Paul Scully and Chris Minns and all of them. There'll be no young people left in Sydney. Our homes will be as expensive as Hong Kong and New York. It'll be a city of renters. We'll have a massive class of working poor. Will we know all that? And there's never, ever, ever been an atmosphere or a set of circumstances where NIMBYs have had so little say.

and the community at large is so understanding of the pressing need for homes to be built. But again, where are these homes we've been promised? You could talk about lines on maps and rezonings around train stations until you're blue in the face, but the cold hard fact is this. As it stands right now, it does not make financial sense for developers to build.

You've got interest rates, you've got Sydney water, you've got labour costs, you've got construction costs, you've got planning costs, noise, traffic, water, environmental, heritage, and bloody climate change reports in some cases. Not to mention the CFMEU. Now, I was speaking to a developer the other day, and he put it really well. They said this. If you have a two-bedroom unit in Concord, you can buy a two-bedroom unit in Concord for, say, $980,000.

But when the developer buys the land, they factor in the holding costs of the loan that they've got, the GST, council delays, and then they build the thing. Well, it would cost the developer about $1 million for that apartment. So it costs the developer and the builder $1 million to hand the keys of that two-bedder at Concord to the buyer who's just paid $980,000. How does that make any sense?

How does a two-bedder in Granville that sells for $700,000 make money for the developer then? Well, it can't make money. So either the developer just breaks even or they lose money. And even if they make money, it is so minimal, it's really not worth the hassle, is it? Now, this is just, the guy who was explaining this to me is just a small developer who builds boutique apartment blocks. How do you reckon the big guys are going, like Daycorp or Multiplex?

Who the hell is going to build the homes we need if even the developers can't make it work? I heard Harry Triguboff the other day. He said, I'm going to go to the Gold Coast. I'm going to build in Queensland because I can get approvals in six months. Here in New South Wales, in Sydney, you're talking two or three years. Now, there are two ways to fix this. One, the government needs to reduce the costs of building. The easiest way to do that is get approvals done quickly.

So councils, Sydney Water, RMS, Ausgrid, Heritage, all of them, you need to pull your fingers out. Because if they can do their approvals quickly, that immediately slashes interest and holding costs for the guys that build these things. And they can bring the product to market quickly. That's good for all of us. And all of that is more important than rezonings and lines on maps, but nobody is discussing it. You don't hear anything from the men's government discussing it.

There is no reason why the submission of a DA to all of the associated reports and approvals to a construction certificate could not be issued in six months. There is no reason that the administrative burden of building a block of apartments couldn't be resolved in six months. Because at the moment, 12 months, two years, three years, four years, it is just ridiculous.

And we are hamstringing ourselves. And you've got council bureaucrats. You've got bureaucrats at Sydney Water. You've got bureaucrats at RMS. And you've got public servants within the Department of Planning that seem to be working against the elected arm of government. Guys, stop taking your morning tea, take your cardigans off and start approving homes. It's 18 past five.

Looks like John Bateman from the West's Tigers is set for an immediate move to Super League. And Broncos star Wendell Saylor's young bloke Tristan Saylor has signed with St. Helens. So John Bateman has played his final NRL game with the West's Tigers set to send him back to England. So Michael Karyanis has got this story. It's on a short-term loan deal, though.

Very strange, this, right? So in a bizarre move, it's understood Bateman will leave immediately, finish the season with a Super League club before returning to Australia to complete the remaining two years of his Tigers contract. Why would he do that? So it's understood that Bateman told his Tigers teammates this morning at training and said, hey, guys, I'm off to the Super League. I might try to see how we go and play in the Super League for a bit, and then I'll be back next year after you've won the spoon. Really? Really?

Honestly, the Tigers are such a basket case. If I was a Tigers supporter, I would be ropeable. And they were blaming Justin Pascoe and Lee Hadjip and Tellis. Has Shane Richardson made it any better? You know what I mean? You had Ivan Cleary coach the Tigers. Couldn't do anything. But has made four grand finals at Penrith, won three. You had Michael Maguire coach the Tigers. He's won a comp in the Super League, a comp at South Sydney, and now...

a decider at Suncorp as the New South Wales coach. Fair dinkum. The West's Tigers could stop Winx as an organisation. Gee whiz, don't they have some work to do? And this is from a bloke who follows the Dragons. 131873. Just on the housing issue, I've got Michael who's called in from Campbelltown. Hello, Michael.

Hi, G'day. Chris, look, the issue that's happening in Canberra and in Sydney is that

I've just had experience in both places. Let me tell you about the Canberra one. I wanted to change a purpose clause, a very simple change, and I paid betterment for it. It took 18 months. Every time they raised an issue, I'd go to a meeting, and the bloke I was supposed to meet was either on flex leave or rec leave, and the new bloke had no idea what I was there for, so he'd have to read it and start again. He said, I'll get back to you once I've read everything.

Next meeting, not there. And they're all on this working from home and they're not working from home. And in Sydney, it's just the same. You can't go in and see somebody to make a decision. If they raise an issue and you need to talk to somebody personally and say, look, this is this, the same person's never there. They're all ducking you because they're working from home or they're on sick leave or rec leave or, you know...

The rain in Spain, leave, whatever it is, you know. And this is what's holding everything up. There's no accountability to get things approved. Yeah, Michael. And what happened to the... I was speaking to the developer that I was talking about with this. I said, well, why can't you just... And he was having issues with Sydney Water. I said, well, why can't you just... Your engineers sit down with the Sydney Water engineers. It'll take a couple of hours and you'll come to a solution. He goes, no, no, you can't. There's no phone number to ring.

And there's nobody that you can meet. They'll say, look, we'll have a meeting. Look, this has happened to me five times, three times in Canberra, two times in Sydney. The people that turn up at the meeting are not the ones I want to get there. And finally, after appealing and jumping up and down and doing all the stuff, which also contributes to the delays, you get somebody in there who's got the bloody cranks with you because you've been pushed to it.

And, you know, this is what's holding all this development up. You just can't have frontline staff working from home and not being accountable because they raise these issues and then the file's put away somewhere and they just get on with their life. And, you know, we just can't have this. Yeah, good on you, Michael. I agree with you wholeheartedly. And every day there is a delay. That means the interest, it's just that little tick is just going...

with holding costs, right? It's going up and up and up. Ron's in the inner west. Hello, Ron. G'day, mate. Look, I have to agree with Michael. Look, long before my time, I used to go and sit down to a pre-DA meeting with the council and actually work through it so you're guaranteed, almost guaranteed, get approved. Um,

That all changed and it's now so online you can't get access to anybody. But the problem with the delays are you're paying bonds and fees and interest on loans. If you've got a 30,000 square metre site, you can be paying tens of thousands of dollars a month just in bonds, fees, loans. And if the council's not going to want to sit on that money themselves and just earn the interest in their bank. It's a good point. Ron, I hope that's not it.

But I just, and I know the other thing is it's not like you're, a lot of developers, I don't know what your situation is, Ron, but a couple of developers I've been speaking to outside of the really big guys, most are sort of going to second tier lenders where they're getting, you know, 10, 11% interest. You know, that's adding up very, very quickly.

If you lodge your DA, it takes two years to get approved or whatever it is, 18 months. But then if you go do a modification to that DA to put in your extra 30% height restrictions under the state planning laws, it gets approved in three months.

So how can the local government take 18 months, but the state government take three months? Ron, your guess is good as mine, and this is the problem. Everybody's, oh, no, no, the planning department's doing well. The council's, we're all on board. It's all crap. It's all crap. Annie's at Seaforth. Hello, Annie. Hi there, Chris.

What's your story, Annie? I was... Yeah, I just wanted to tell you, we've had a nightmare experience getting a DA approved and now we're in the middle of selling. And so our backstory is, you know, Northern Beaches Council tell you it takes 100 days to get a DA through. Well, ours took 657 days. Sorry? And when you...

I know, right? Because I put in an application. They then said, you know, that we had to move it up the block a little bit because it was going to be on a little bit of green, which we owned and pay rates on and it's our property. So we then had to put in a second application

which then starts the clock again, it's still a very long clock. So under 657 days, we then go and say, OK, we're ready to build our duplex now. And now you can't get, you know, the building costs have just blown it out

so much that pretty much when we started the project, they said it would be about $3 million to build. Now they're saying it's going to cost $4.5 million to build. So why don't you just sell the house? And we're like, you're kidding. We've just been through three years and all of that expense to now be told that our house is more valuable than a DA-approved building site for a duplex. And we watched the news every day going, oh, we need more housing and going...

Oh, it's infuriating. What a joke. We're like the perfect plan. We've got a decent block. We want to put a duplex on it. Not possible. It's unbelievable. And with the building costs, Annie, I won't hold you up, but with the building costs, and you don't have to tell me this if you don't feel comfortable, but if you went ahead and built the duplex with the quote that you've got, would you make money on it or would you lose money on it? Well, now we'd lose money on it. Right. So you're not going to bother. No, we're not going to bother.

So, yeah, we've gone from the dream of after all of this going, yeah, we'll get an extra place. It's now not worth it. It's probably cost you, you know, tens of thousands to get all this work done too.

And even when the council go and say, oh, that we want to, you know, you can't build on a bit of green because it might, you know, whatever, when it's our land. Then to do that means every single report you're talking, you know, fire, endangered frogs, bandicoots, everything report. You then have to redo them. And those consultants all get paid again just to re-put out

the same thing that they've already checked. Yep. And it's not just that, Annie, too. It's the water. It just goes on and on and on. I'm sure you're well and truly across it now. I'm so sorry for you and your partner. Thank you so much for your call, Annie. I've got to run off to the news. A news update. Pick your favourite Kia from the award-winning Kia Sportage to the street-grade delivering Kia Seltos or Kia's most powerful car ever, the all-electric EV6 GT. ♪

Josh Bryant, g'day. Good afternoon, Chris. A city man has been charged with trafficking a teenager to Australia for sexual exploitation in an operation that federal police say rescued seven potential victims. Members of the public are being praised for their response rushing to help the victim of a shark attack on the New South Wales' mid-lost coast. The young surfer is in a stable condition in hospital. A 69-year-old man is assisting with inquiries after staff were threatened with a hammer.

and a fire was started at a car dealership in Sydney's west. And the Australian Podiatry Association is warning poor hygiene practices at some nail salons may be driving an 80% increase in reported nail fungal infections. In sport, the sister of Blues origin hero Stephen Crichton has been named to make her NRLW debut. Harmony Crichton will play on the wing for the West Tigers in their clash with the Raiders on Sunday. We'll have more news in sport at six.

Thanks, Josh. Speaking of the poor West's Tigers, I can't believe this story. John Bateman. So he's contracted for two more years, yet he won't finish the season with the Wooden Spoon favourites because he's going to head back to Super League. I don't know what the Tigers get out of this. So he shoots through. They're trying to avoid their third straight Wooden Spoon, but John Bateman, who's one of their better forwards, loose forwards, has decided to shoot through and the club's allowed him to.

And then he'll come back in January and do pre-season again and finish the remaining two years of his contract. I don't know what is going on at the Tigers. Keith, you're a Tigers supporter. What's going on? I believe there's a bit more to it than meets the eye. I believe he might not even come back at all. I'm just reading between the lines. If he's going over until the end of the year, they're probably going to chop him around while he's over there.

Yeah, maybe so. But Keith, what's going on at the Tigers? It doesn't matter who the management is. It doesn't matter who the coaches are. It doesn't matter what players. You just can't seem to get it together.

We've been unlucky over the last few weeks with a few pittings from our own players by getting sin bin at crucial points of the time of the game. I believe we could have at least won last week's game if we hadn't had a player sin bin at that particular time. We weren't leading. So just crucial times at the moment. The players...

A lot of young players are still learning. And I don't really know if they're open enthusiasm or they're consistent. Maybe a bit of both. I do see a bright future. Whether John Bateman's in it, that's hard to say. I believe he won't be there next year.

If they're sending you over now, I think they are. He'll stay over there. He'll stay over there. All right, Keith, I appreciate that. And I know that lots of – because it's got very young side, the Tigers. Lots of the kids are learning. But I'll tell you who else is learning, and it's very obvious. Their head coach, Benji Marshall.

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A weather update. We'll be here to help in unexpected weather. NRMA Insurance. Well, 15 degrees in the city today and 13 in the west right now. Jeez, it was a nice day. Temperatures tonight will dip to 8 in the city and 6 in our west. Tomorrow, sunny. Tops of 29 in the city tomorrow and 20 in the west.

Well, snowpack levels across New South Wales, they're currently 28% of normal. It'll remain cloudy at the resorts today, which just

The odd centimetre of isolated snow set to fall, but watch out for the wind set to intensify tonight as a cold front approaches from the west. So four of the five lifts, I'm reliably told, are open at Charlotte Pass.

Perisher, 29 of the 48 lifts open. Thredbo received 33 centimetres of snow over the last day and 12 of the 14 lifts open. And Selwyn, five of the nine lifts are now open. So Ben will have another ski and snow update tomorrow morning thanks to Red Energy. So just repeating that snowpack levels are currently 28% of normal.

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I'm all aboard the apres. I know. Have you got the right socks when you're wearing your ski boots, though? That's the issue. You're not going to wear ankle socks with ski boots. Ski boots, honestly, they are the most uncomfortable. I don't understand it as a pastime. I know people absolutely love it. Yeah. All the gear you need. I don't know. But I did ice skating during the school holidays with the kids up at the Big Banana, and it's the same sort of boots. Did you go backside over? No, I did.

Well, I was really surprised. He's one of those penguins, though, that you go around with. I did it, you know. I was good. You're one of those really annoying athletic people who's good at everything. You know, like...

Going around the kids. Can you imagine how I'd go? Watch me going backwards. I'll just watch. Thank you very much. How'd the markets go today? Well, it was a good day on the markets. Thankfully, it snapped a three-day losing streak, a bit of green. The US markets finished positive and we benefited too. The ASX 200 up half a percent or 39 points to 7,971. The tech sector was at the top of the pile and the dollar, it went backwards a bit, unfortunately. It's currently buying just 66.3 US cents. Yeah.

Yes. ESG. I'm reading this because I hate ESG. But geez, there's some people that are making some money on environmental, social and governance ratings report. It is, in my view, a massive load of hogwash. However...

They're all onto it. Well, seemingly, but we're going to take a closer look at this on Money News tonight because there's been surveys done into it because that's the thinking, right? That the whole ethical investing and the whole thinking about social activism for businesses is the way of the future. But...

This survey's been done and it shows that the majority of Australians think just like you and that it's a peripheral issue for activism and it's really just a small vocal minority that risks alienating the broader base of stakeholders and consumers. And it's not just investors in these companies that think it's hogwash, but it's also the people who work for these companies. It's not about political activism or social issues. It should be about just getting on with business. So it's not just...

you know, us talking about this, it's a broader view across a lot of Australians. And they spend a fortune on it. They spend billions of dollars on environmental, social and government's measures. And increasingly, the activist shareholders are saying, yeah, yeah, you've got to keep doing this. But the vast majority of Australians, according to this study, say no. And that's what we'll take a closer look at. And there are those big sort of black rocks and the big investment firms. They want a good ESG rating, right? If they're going to

invest capital in startups, in multinational companies that need capital to be able to operate. Unless they've got a good ESG rating, they're not getting the data. Sure. And it's all about the whole question of greenwashing too, whether or not it actually adds up to decent returns. Call me old fashioned, right? And I don't have stocks outside of my superannuation account. However, the only thing I care if I'm investing in a stock

Is the business well managed? Is it making good money? And is it giving me a dividend?

That's it. How it conducts itself is really irrelevant to me. And that's the view of employers and shareholders. Less than 15% follow the activism of their employer or companies where they hold shares. So you're not alone. You're not Robinson Crusoe in that regard. It's a good discussion. Good on you, Deb. We'll hear that after 7 o'clock with Money News. Thank you. That's Deb Knight with Money News, of course, 7pm tonight. 131873. Yeah, I did. I might have put my foot in it again. That's not unusual for me. Anne says, Chris, 29 in the city tomorrow. No, no, no.

21 in the city tomorrow and 20 in the west. I think it's extremely important to preserve as much of Sydney's history to an extent as we can. And the Penrith Museum of Printing opened back in 2001. And the Penrith Museum of Printing has centuries worth of books, newspapers and equipment. And their whole idea is to keep the dying art of printing alive.

And the museum's faced a bit of an uncertain future because Penrith Paceway was going to be acquired by the state government and then it was going to have Penrith Stadium built there, Penrith Park, the football stadium. That's been saved. And the museum is growing from strength to strength, thankfully. And Bob Lockley, he's the president of the Penrith Museum of Printing and he's on the line. Bob, g'day. Hi, Chris, how are you? I'm well, thanks. Tell us about the museum. Well...

Museum is a little bit different to most. It's something that people don't think about, but we present a whole range starting...

Bob's lines dropped out, unfortunately. We'll see if we can get Bob back, but they do some great work, really great work. And as I said, it was opened back in 2001 and they need a whole bunch of volunteers too. So if you're interested in volunteering, once we get Bob back up on the line, he'll give us some information as to how we're going. Um,

It looks like he's lying still a bit. How's your father? But we'll get there, I'm sure. Regardless, you've got some amazing pieces of history. They've got all the old printing machines and everything. Bob, you there? Yeah, I'm here now. There you go. That's a bit better. So tell us, what's in the museum? Well, we've got a range of equipment that shows people how the information revolution began in 1450 with Gutenberg's movable type.

So we've got lots of removable type, metal type. We've got a heap of wooden type and we've got a 1700 replica wooden press with the Benjamin Franklin Common Press. That's cool. We've got an 1841 Columbian that we've restored and printed the Car Core Chronicle and that happens to be the same press that printed the Sydney Morning Herald from 1830 to 1852 and was restored by John B. Fairfax in 1976. And they're all genuine, Bob.

They're all genuine, and there's about eight presses. They're all over 100 years old, and the latest one's a 1936 model. This is a newer one, so 80-year-old, that printed the last letterpress newspaper in Australia at Dorrigo, the Don Dorrigo Gazette. Really? And do they all still work? Absolutely.

They all work, everything works, everything operates. It's probably one of our biggest claims to fame is that we're a living museum, we're not a static display. And that's important and we interact with people and we sort of make it humorous, educational and they can become part of the process and they learn how to physically do it themselves. So it's a really hands-on museum. Can people print a couple of examples and take them home?

We do that. We've let them set their names like they did back in 1450 and then they reproduce those on an 1864 press and they do the whole job themselves. That's awesome, Bob. Hey, we've run out of time, I'm sorry to say, but you need some volunteers to help supporting the museum. So tell me about that.

Yeah, we do. We're always looking for new volunteers for the tours to help restore furniture, do tours and be guides. It's easy. We teach you what to do. And we've got to have the younger people coming through to help save this valuable part of Australia's history. Good on you, Bob. Quickly, where do we find you?

Facebook, LinkedIn or www.penrithmuseumofprinting.org.au. Good on you, Bob. All the best to you and all the people down at the museum. Thank you. Wonderful work there. So that's Bob Lockley, president of the Penrith Museum of Printing. It sounds fascinating. If you're in and around Penrith or you're just more broadly interested in checking some of those machines out, go down and have a look. 131873.

Alright, time to give away a bit of free fuel. It's all thanks to Shell V-Power, the Jewel for Fuel. 200 of it up for grabs. We'll play it next. On 2GB Drive, let's Jewel for Fuel. $200 thanks to Shell V-Power. Our contestants, I've got Dean at Sylvania. Hello, Dean. Hey, Chris. How are you, mate? I'm good, thank you, Dean. And Debra is at Bankstown. Hello, Debra.

Hey, Chris. How you doing? I'm good, thank you, Debra. You ready? You're kicking us off. Okay. You're tired. Don't be nervous. You've got to be confident. You ready? Your time starts now. Tracy Grimshaw hosted which Australian TV show for 17 years? A Current Affair. Correct. Julian Lennon is the son of which Lend-A-Dream musician? John Lennon and Yoko. Correct. Morocco is located on which continent?

Pass. Africa. Captain Hook is the enemy of which Disney hero? Peter Pan. Correct. Which Aussie outlaw's trademark was a homemade helmet made of iron? Nick Kelly. Correct. Well done, Deb. Very strong start. Dean, you ready? Ready to go. Bring it on. All right. You've got to get four. Your time starts... Well, you've got to beat four, sorry. You've got to get five. Your time starts now. What were the three Stooges' names?

Larry, Curly and Moe. Well done. How many legs does a spider typically have? Six or eight? Eight. Correct. What is the largest empire in history? Roman. British. How many players are there in a starting soccer team? Thirteen. Eleven. Elton John is known for playing which musical instrument? Piano. Correct. The Wallabies defeated which European country over the weekend? France. Georgia. Oh, Dean. You got three. Deb got four. Deborah?

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Hello, Chris. I'm very well, thank you, mate. Looking forward to the Olympic Games. Things getting very, very close. Plenty of footy to talk about. Some news at the Swannies. It's all happening. What are you looking forward to about the Olympics?

What am I looking forward to the Olympics? All of the inspirational stories of the hard work and the hours and hours of preparation to get themselves to an Olympic Games to win a gold medal. That's what the games are all about with the beautiful backdrop of Paris. What about, I saw a bit of the news last night, James Bracey doing the sport with the Arc de Triomphe behind him. It was beautiful. Definitely not a bad time over there by the looks of things.

Don't tell me you're poo-pooing the Olympics as well. No, I'm not anti-the Olympics. You know my favourite part of the Olympics? So I've been watching this thing on Netflix called Sprint. It's about the 100 metre sprinters. You know what my favourite part is? And this might make me a bad person, but I enjoy the stories where the people, especially the brash Americans, when they fail. I just like to think, just keep your mouth shut and go and run your race. And then carry on like a goose after it.

Good to see you in the spirit. Thank you, champion. I'll be eating the croissants. Don't you worry about that. Oui, oui, oui. Good on you, Levy. We'll be listening. That's Wide World of Sports coming up next. I'll see you tomorrow at 3 p.m. Bye-bye.